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"Random" modules

"Random" modules

2001-05-22 by John

Could someone please compare the Random Source and Random Voltage
Generator? There is some info about the Random Source at the
Unofficial Serge site but nothing that I could find on the Random
Voltage Generator.

And while I am asking questions, does serge use the 1volt/oct tuning
method?

thanks
John

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-22 by Microtonal

> Could someone please compare the Random Source and Random Voltage
> Generator? There is some info about the Random Source at the
> Unofficial Serge site but nothing that I could find on the Random
> Voltage Generator.
>
The Random Source is a combination of the Noise Source and the Random
Voltage Generator. It has all the same features, but in 2" instead of 4".
Since the Random Voltage Generator requires a Noise Source on the same
panel, you lose panel space by having the NOI + RVG, without gaining any
functionality.

> And while I am asking questions, does serge use the 1volt/oct tuning
> method?
>
Yes.

John Loffink
microtonal@...

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-22 by John Papiewski

The Random Source is Serge's all-in-one random signal module, delivering
white & pink audio noise, random pulse, random continuous, and random step
voltages rate-controlled by a knob and an associated voltage, and a
sample-and-hold which has the source available at a jack and is externally
triggered by a pulse or by your finger on the pushbutton.

The Random Voltage Generator is available only in California. It converts
the unpredictability of rolling blackouts into musically useful control
signals.

Seriously though, the RVG is not a standalone module like the RS but is
meant to be driven by another noise module, such as the Random Source or the
Noise Source, which supplies it some basic random voltages. The idea being,
you can make use of several different sources of random voltages or pulses,
each set to different rates, but you need only one source of white or pink
noise. So get a noise source or random source to start off with, and expand
your system later with RVG's and 2RVG's.

Yes Serge modules offer both 1v/oct and variable/inverting CV inputs on most
modules.

Good Luck

John P.

John wrote:
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> Could someone please compare the Random Source and Random Voltage
> Generator? There is some info about the Random Source at the
> Unofficial Serge site but nothing that I could find on the Random
> Voltage Generator.
>
> And while I am asking questions, does serge use the 1volt/oct tuning
> method?
>
> thanks
> John
>
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Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-22 by John

Thanks for the answers guys!! That cleared things up a bunch.

John

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-22 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 5/21/01 8:10:05 PM, johnp@... writes:

<< The Random Voltage Generator is available only in California. It converts
the unpredictability of rolling blackouts into musically useful control
signals. >>

LMAO!!!!!... that's the best I've heard yet. Good show!!
John D

Re: "Random" modules etc....

2001-05-23 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

dear john
just a short addenda . i dont know if it needs saying , but the
random source also lets you use random/probabalistic etc. voltages
from audio , and infact any control waveshape , not just noise as
most commonly used . there was a post a week or so ago about using
this module to get a sorta bit decimation/sample rate reduction a la
digital gear from audio with the possibilities of modulation/voltage
control .the random source also has an internal v.c. clock , enabling
easy feedback from the sampled voltage level to it's own clock
enabling much fun with deciding exactly how the random flurrys of
voltages be generated .unless it's been updated , it only allows
positive v.c. from an external modulator , without a processor
allowing offset/inversion like the oh-so under rated scaling buffer
or various "processor" modules
p.k.

Re: "Random" modules etc....

2001-05-24 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 5/22/01 6:15:23 PM, sonic@... writes:

<< the oh-so under rated scaling buffer
or various "processor" modules >>

I couldn't agree more. I couldn't live without these and i think i have at
least six in the current system. The next time i order a oscillator panel,
the first modual on the left will be a buffer that is hard wired with a 2pole
switch to the volt per octave input of each of the oscillators.
John

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-24 by Steve Ridley

> Seriously though, the RVG is not a standalone module like the RS but is
> meant to be driven by another noise module, such as the Random Source or
the
> Noise Source, which supplies it some basic random voltages. The idea
being,
> you can make use of several different sources of random voltages or
pulses,
> each set to different rates, but you need only one source of white or pink
> noise. So get a noise source or random source to start off with, and
expand
> your system later with RVG's and 2RVG's.

The random voltage generator is just a Smooth & Stepped function
generator internally patched to a noise source. If you already have
an SSG and a NOI, you can probably patch an RVG up for yourself.


Steve Ridley

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-25 by maf@mcs.net

--- In SergeModular@y..., "Steve Ridley" <spr@s...> wrote:
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>
> > Seriously though, the RVG is not a standalone module like the RS
but is
> > meant to be driven by another noise module, such as the Random
Source or
> the
> > Noise Source, which supplies it some basic random voltages. The
idea
> being,
> > you can make use of several different sources of random voltages
or
> pulses,
> > each set to different rates, but you need only one source of
white
or pink
> > noise. So get a noise source or random source to start off with,
and
> expand
> > your system later with RVG's and 2RVG's.
>
> The random voltage generator is just a Smooth & Stepped function
> generator internally patched to a noise source. If you already have
> an SSG and a NOI, you can probably patch an RVG up for yourself.
>
>
> Steve Ridley

Actually the probability is 1. There is this exact patch pictured
in the "Gold" book.

Michael

Re: "Random" modules.WOT NO RANDOM ?

2001-05-26 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., "Steve Ridley" <spr@s...> wrote:
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>
> > Seriously though, the RVG is not a standalone module like the RS
but is
> > meant to be driven by another noise module, such as the Random
Source or
> the
> > Noise Source, which supplies it some basic random voltages. The
idea
> being,
> > you can make use of several different sources of random voltages
or
> pulses,
> > each set to different rates, but you need only one source of
white or pink
> > noise. So get a noise source or random source to start off with,
and
> expand
> > your system later with RVG's and 2RVG's.
>
> The random voltage generator is just a Smooth & Stepped function
> generator internally patched to a noise source. If you already have
> an SSG and a NOI, you can probably patch an RVG up for yourself.


PROBABLY ??? WOT NO RANDOM , MOM ?
>
>
> Steve Ridley

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-26 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., maf@m... wrote:
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>
>
> Actually the probability is 1. There is this exact patch pictured
> in the "Gold" book.
>
> Michael

DEAR MICHAEL
PLEESE EXPLAIN . NO REF TO PROBABILITY IN YOUR CUT EMAIL , BUT
STILL I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT YOURE SAYING , I JUST COULD USE SOME
CLARIFICATION. THE PROBABILITY IS 1 - THE PROBABILITY OF WHAT ? YOU
MEAN THE PROBABILITY IS N ? PLEESE EXPLAIN
REGEARDS
P.K.

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-26 by C. Whitten

> THE PROBABILITY IS 1 - THE PROBABILITY OF WHAT ?
Maybe he is trying to say that the patch discussed is 'probably' illustrated
in the Gold book.

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-26 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., "C. Whitten" <chris@c...> wrote:
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> > THE PROBABILITY IS 1 - THE PROBABILITY OF WHAT ?
> Maybe he is trying to say that the patch discussed is 'probably'
illustrated
> in the Gold book.

could be . it was a SLIGHTLY poorly worded message (I.M.O.), anyway
you look at it.
It doesnt directly refer to anything mentioned .
POINT BEING .CLARITY IS ALL -ESPECIALLY IN THE COMPLEX WORLD OF SERGE
THE BETTER WE UNDERSTAND , THE GREATER THE POTENTIAL.
REGARDS
P.K.

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-26 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., "C. Whitten" <chris@c...> wrote:
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> > THE PROBABILITY IS 1 - THE PROBABILITY OF WHAT ?
> Maybe he is trying to say that the patch discussed is 'probably'
illustrated
> in the Gold book.

could be . it was a SLIGHTLY poorly worded message (I.M.O.), anyway
you look at it.
It doesnt directly refer to anything mentioned .
POINT BEING .CLARITY IS ALL -ESPECIALLY IN THE COMPLEX WORLD OF SERGE
THE BETTER WE UNDERSTAND , THE GREATER THE POTENTIAL.
REGARDS
P.K.

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-26 by Bill Felton

Sorry, but not at all.
The original message inquired as to the
probability of recreating the 'combined'
noise source plus random voltage generator
module with the separates. The probability
of doing that is 1, that is, unity, that
is 100%, since the very patch required to
do this is presented in the Gold book.
...

Bill
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sonic@...
> [mailto:sonic@...]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:50 PM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SergeModular] Re: "Random" modules
>
>
> --- In SergeModular@y..., "C. Whitten" <chris@c...> wrote:
> > > THE PROBABILITY IS 1 - THE PROBABILITY OF WHAT ?
> > Maybe he is trying to say that the patch discussed is 'probably'
> illustrated
> > in the Gold book.
>
> could be . it was a SLIGHTLY poorly worded message (I.M.O.), anyway
> you look at it.
> It doesnt directly refer to anything mentioned .
> POINT BEING .CLARITY IS ALL -ESPECIALLY IN THE COMPLEX WORLD OF SERGE
> THE BETTER WE UNDERSTAND , THE GREATER THE POTENTIAL.
> REGARDS
> P.K.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> SergeModular-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
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>
>

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-26 by DarkStr717@aol.com

In a message dated 5/26/01 1:07:55 PM, bfelton@... writes:

<< The original message inquired as to the
probability of recreating the 'combined'
noise source plus random voltage generator
module with the separates. The probability
of doing that is 1, that is, unity, that
is 100%, since the very patch required to
do this is presented in the Gold book. >>

............uh......... uh...... Captain!!?? Captain??!!...... Oh
Captain!!!.... I am 1 with the Ether!!! LMAO!!!!

.....sorry...... i lost control of myself.
John D

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-27 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., "Bill Felton" <bfelton@m...> wrote:
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> Sorry, but not at all.

dont be sorry , pleese.

> The original message inquired as to the
> probability of recreating the 'combined'
> noise source plus random voltage generator
> module with the separates. The probability
> of doing that is 1, that is, unity, that
> is 100%, since the very patch required to
> do this is presented in the Gold book.
> ...

o.k. that makes sense . being specific definately makes it clear -
tho' I dont think it was , which was my main point.......
I.M.O. However This is still a ridiculously convoluted way of
saying "yes you can" , especially in this context......patching is
hardly something one does , loosely speeking ,in any probabalistic
way - especially in relation to his question , basically "you can" ,
or "you cant" .It's hardly the realms of reel probaility or
probabalistic patching....lets be serious theres no probability
to.......Also , the Gold book has nothing to do with whether it is
possible (or probable (in your very strictest sense)to patch a s& h /
rvg from the "seperates".
The fact this patch is in the book does not have any bearing on the
probability/possibility of patching it . does it realy?

Is this surreal ? have I crossed lines ? most weird ?
see my point ?

P>K>



>
> Bill
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sonic@s...
> > [mailto:sonic@s...]
> > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:50 PM
> > To: SergeModular@y...
> > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: "Random" modules
> >
> >
> > --- In SergeModular@y..., "C. Whitten" <chris@c...> wrote:
> > > > THE PROBABILITY IS 1 - THE PROBABILITY OF WHAT ?
> > > Maybe he is trying to say that the patch discussed is 'probably'
> > illustrated
> > > in the Gold book.
> >
> > could be . it was a SLIGHTLY poorly worded message (I.M.O.),
anyway
> > you look at it.
> > It doesnt directly refer to anything mentioned .
> > POINT BEING .CLARITY IS ALL -ESPECIALLY IN THE COMPLEX WORLD OF
SERGE
> > THE BETTER WE UNDERSTAND , THE GREATER THE POTENTIAL.
> > REGARDS
> > P.K.
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > SergeModular-unsubscribe@y...
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >

: "Random" modules.chip talk costs laughs..

2001-05-27 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., DarkStr717@a... wrote:
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>
> In a message dated 5/26/01 1:07:55 PM, bfelton@m... writes:
>
> << The original message inquired as to the
> probability of recreating the 'combined'
> noise source plus random voltage generator
> module with the separates. The probability
> of doing that is 1, that is, unity, that
> is 100%, since the very patch required to
> do this is presented in the Gold book. >>
>
> ............uh......... uh...... Captain!!??
Captain??!!...... Oh
> Captain!!!.... I am 1 with the Ether!!! LMAO!!!!

LMAO ??????whats this mean in engleesh ? Did someone else find
this totally hillarious ? Is that a compuutar putting out these weird
replies or am I just way out of touch with Serge Owners ? Chatty ,
funny lot...........
by the way ? Is there anyone out there putting out recordings using
the serge ? my question a while back about wellknown serge users was
a reel burnin' topic of debate...................................
(not).............can I take it that there is'nt anyone out there
doing too much with a serge in live/recorded music except John
McEntire ? Anyone know any other recent discs with serge stuff ?
Whats the probability of getting no replies?????
Unity????????
chip talk costs laughs
>
> .....sorry...... i lost control of myself.
> John D

Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk costs laughs..

2001-05-27 by C. Whitten

> by the way ? Is there anyone out there putting out recordings using
> the serge
Lots of people. Maybe they don't want to go public on this list.
The Fenix/Serge combination has been quite well covered in the past although
probably more so on the Fenix list. There are several 'SMOG'ers joined up to
both lists.

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-27 by Sebastian Kuehnl

Peter, I have not yet experienced the privilege of knowing you as an artist,
which is purported to help me understand you. So far I've been having hard
times sorting out your certainly interesting knowledge between lots of
affected, at best meta-relevant personal criticisms. I ask you, is this the
fault of the people whom you are criticising so relentlessly?

Please imagine the chaos we would be seeing if all the concerned persons
actually replied agreeing, disagreeing, insights, argumenting, defending,
justifying, whatever (what do you want by the way?). Please imagine how you
will feel if after some time no one replied anymore because you always want
to get the the last word in anyway.

If you will (why would you by the way?) you can feel about this as ban
request #2 (unfortunately the supposed #1 has left Putney already). I will
not hand out any further complaints publicly, as this, like your rants, is
at best relevant about the list itself if not OT and will probably not help
anything. But I certainly wouldn't be happy making up my first killfile.

Sebastian Kuehnl

----- Original Message -----
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To: <SergeModular@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:00 AM
Subject: [SergeModular] Re: "Random" modules


: --- In SergeModular@y..., "Bill Felton" <bfelton@m...> wrote:
: > Sorry, but not at all.
:
: dont be sorry , pleese.
:
: > The original message inquired as to the
: > probability of recreating the 'combined'
: > noise source plus random voltage generator
: > module with the separates. The probability
: > of doing that is 1, that is, unity, that
: > is 100%, since the very patch required to
: > do this is presented in the Gold book.
: > ...
:
: o.k. that makes sense . being specific definately makes it clear -
: tho' I dont think it was , which was my main point.......
: I.M.O. However This is still a ridiculously convoluted way of
: saying "yes you can" , especially in this context......patching is
: hardly something one does , loosely speeking ,in any probabalistic
: way - especially in relation to his question , basically "you can" ,
: or "you cant" .It's hardly the realms of reel probaility or
: probabalistic patching....lets be serious theres no probability
: to.......Also , the Gold book has nothing to do with whether it is
: possible (or probable (in your very strictest sense)to patch a s& h /
: rvg from the "seperates".
: The fact this patch is in the book does not have any bearing on the
: probability/possibility of patching it . does it realy?
:
: Is this surreal ? have I crossed lines ? most weird ?
: see my point ?
:
: P>K>
:
:
:
: >
: > Bill
: >
: > > -----Original Message-----
: > > From: sonic@s...
: > > [mailto:sonic@s...]
: > > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:50 PM
: > > To: SergeModular@y...
: > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: "Random" modules
: > >
: > >
: > > --- In SergeModular@y..., "C. Whitten" <chris@c...> wrote:
: > > > > THE PROBABILITY IS 1 - THE PROBABILITY OF WHAT ?
: > > > Maybe he is trying to say that the patch discussed is 'probably'
: > > illustrated
: > > > in the Gold book.
: > >
: > > could be . it was a SLIGHTLY poorly worded message (I.M.O.),
: anyway
: > > you look at it.
: > > It doesnt directly refer to anything mentioned .
: > > POINT BEING .CLARITY IS ALL -ESPECIALLY IN THE COMPLEX WORLD OF
: SERGE
: > > THE BETTER WE UNDERSTAND , THE GREATER THE POTENTIAL.
: > > REGARDS
: > > P.K.
: > >
: > >
: > >
: > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
: > > SergeModular-unsubscribe@y...
: > >
: > > Keep on Patchin'!
: > >
: > >
: > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
: > >
: > >
:
:
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Re: :info blackout...............

2001-05-28 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., "C. Whitten" <chris@c...> wrote:
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> > by the way ? Is there anyone out there putting out recordings
using
> > the serge
> Lots of people. Maybe they don't want to go public on this list.

wonder why ? ???????name me some you know of these "lots". i dont
mean running off a cd for your mum either..............
p.k.


> The Fenix/Serge combination has been quite well covered in the past
although
> probably more so on the Fenix list. There are several 'SMOG'ers
joined up to
> both lists.

well ,it must be irrelevant , and the fenix must be redundant now .
oh well...can i give my stuff to anyone ?
this site is strange......................very open ended , free
thinking , flexible.........what irony.
, p.k.

Re: "Random" modules

2001-05-28 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., "Sebastian Kuehnl" <skuehnl@y...> wrote:


for some strange reason this was posted on the EMS site--see that
site for the reply this deserves . dont hacve the time to waste
repeating myself to the hard of thinking.
p.k





> Peter, I have not yet experienced the privilege of knowing you as
an artist,
> which is purported to help me understand you. So far I've been
having hard
> times sorting out your certainly interesting knowledge between lots
of
> affected, at best meta-relevant personal criticisms. I ask you, is
this the
> fault of the people whom you are criticising so relentlessly?
>
> Please imagine the chaos we would be seeing if all the concerned
persons
> actually replied agreeing, disagreeing, insights, argumenting,
defending,
> justifying, whatever (what do you want by the way?). Please imagine
how you
> will feel if after some time no one replied anymore because you
always want
> to get the the last word in anyway.
>
> If you will (why would you by the way?) you can feel about this as
ban
> request #2 (unfortunately the supposed #1 has left Putney already).
I will
> not hand out any further complaints publicly, as this, like your
rants, is
> at best relevant about the list itself if not OT and will probably
not help
> anything. But I certainly wouldn't be happy making up my first
killfile.
>
> Sebastian Kuehnl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sonic@s...>
> To: <SergeModular@y...>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:00 AM
> Subject: [SergeModular] Re: "Random" modules
>
>
> : --- In SergeModular@y..., "Bill Felton" <bfelton@m...> wrote:
> : > Sorry, but not at all.
> :
> : dont be sorry , pleese.
> :
> : > The original message inquired as to the
> : > probability of recreating the 'combined'
> : > noise source plus random voltage generator
> : > module with the separates. The probability
> : > of doing that is 1, that is, unity, that
> : > is 100%, since the very patch required to
> : > do this is presented in the Gold book.
> : > ...
> :
> : o.k. that makes sense . being specific definately makes it
clear -
> : tho' I dont think it was , which was my main point.......
> : I.M.O. However This is still a ridiculously convoluted way of
> : saying "yes you can" , especially in this context......patching is
> : hardly something one does , loosely speeking ,in any probabalistic
> : way - especially in relation to his question , basically "you
can" ,
> : or "you cant" .It's hardly the realms of reel probaility or
> : probabalistic patching....lets be serious theres no probability
> : to.......Also , the Gold book has nothing to do with whether it is
> : possible (or probable (in your very strictest sense)to patch a s&
h /
> : rvg from the "seperates".
> : The fact this patch is in the book does not have any bearing on
the
> : probability/possibility of patching it . does it realy?
> :
> : Is this surreal ? have I crossed lines ? most weird ?
> : see my point ?
> :
> : P>K>
> :
> :
> :
> : >
> : > Bill
> : >
> : > > -----Original Message-----
> : > > From: sonic@s...
> : > > [mailto:sonic@s...]
> : > > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:50 PM
> : > > To: SergeModular@y...
> : > > Subject: [SergeModular] Re: "Random" modules
> : > >
> : > >
> : > > --- In SergeModular@y..., "C. Whitten" <chris@c...> wrote:
> : > > > > THE PROBABILITY IS 1 - THE PROBABILITY OF WHAT ?
> : > > > Maybe he is trying to say that the patch discussed
is 'probably'
> : > > illustrated
> : > > > in the Gold book.
> : > >
> : > > could be . it was a SLIGHTLY poorly worded message (I.M.O.),
> : anyway
> : > > you look at it.
> : > > It doesnt directly refer to anything mentioned .
> : > > POINT BEING .CLARITY IS ALL -ESPECIALLY IN THE COMPLEX WORLD
OF
> : SERGE
> : > > THE BETTER WE UNDERSTAND , THE GREATER THE POTENTIAL.
> : > > REGARDS
> : > > P.K.
> : > >
> : > >
> : > >
> : > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> : > > SergeModular-unsubscribe@y...
> : > >
> : > > Keep on Patchin'!
> : > >
> : > >
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> : http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> : > >
> : > >
> :
> :
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> :
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> :
> :
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> :
>
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Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk costs laughs..

2001-05-28 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., "C. Whitten" <chris@c...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > by the way ? Is there anyone out there putting out recordings
using
> > the serge
> Lots of people. Maybe they don't want to go public on this list.
> The Fenix/Serge combination has been quite well covered in the past
although
> probably more so on the Fenix list. There are several 'SMOG'ers
joined up to
> both lists.

chris , if I played with Dire Straits & Paul McCartney circa "the
frog song" -I'd keep anonymous too...... tee hee
Funny thing is , I've had people asking me to try & find them a
fenix , plus various Serge/Fenix related questions . have you got
over your rack problems ?
plus i.m.o. if there are people here owning / using both
machines , you seem to contradict your own "wisdom" .
your answer of "lots of people" , hints at a chip
somewhere ? still interested who they are & why it seems to be an
apparent secret..................
p.k.

Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk costs laughs..

2001-05-28 by C. Whitten

> chris , if I played with Dire Straits & Paul McCartney circa "the
> frog song" -I'd keep anonymous too...... tee hee
This is undoubtedly meant to be a light hearted jibe. I'm using my real name
as opposed to something like 'sonic boom' so I guess I can only expect the
odd pissy comment.
I was working very hard at holding my tongue until Sebastian Kuehnl 'came
out'. I find that instead of the informative and lively chatter about Serge
related topics (previous to your much heralded arrival) there has been a lot
of nit picking recently. Kind of reminds me why I quit Analogue Heaven.
As far as your other slightly sarcastic comments are concerned, there is at
least one other person on this list who regularly records and releases music
using a Serge system. He uses an alias on the list and does not seem to want
to talk about his music but prefers to read about the ins and outs of the
Serge system. I respect that.
Is there any chance that you (PK) could hold back your criticisms and
sarcasm a little or should I give up on SMOG?
BTW it wasn't "circa" the 'Frog Song' either.
CW

Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -yawn-email me in private

2001-05-28 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., "C. Whitten" <chris@c...> wrote:
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> > chris , if I played with Dire Straits & Paul McCartney circa "the
> > frog song" -I'd keep anonymous too...... tee hee
> This is undoubtedly meant to be a light hearted jibe. I'm using my
real name
> as opposed to something like 'sonic boom' so I guess I can only
expect the
> odd pissy comment.

chris , the "pissy comments" originated from you . Unfortunately ,
I am better known as Sonic boom than my real name , altho' anyone who
remotely cares can find out a lot about me by one click on
their 'puter...........






> I was working very hard at holding my tongue until Sebastian
Kuehnl 'came
> out'. I find that instead of the informative and lively chatter
about Serge
> related topics (previous to your much heralded arrival)


Hey buddy , I never heralded it , but you & s.k. have been glowing
jealous green ever since. I asked no-one to mention me , and I write
using my real name , but also with my email address etc. etc.. there
for anyone . I dont subscribe to the "rockstar" nonsense . Because
you do , I realise this is strange.




there has been a lot
> of nit picking recently.


Sorry , Buddy , but you 1) pronounce forth on Fenix in a ridiculous
way. Look at the mail list -someone else seems to care within 12
hours.........
2) If someone emails for help , it is patently not helpfull to
answer in the amusingly silly tone of "the probability is one"etc.
This sort of commrent is not helpfull or informative to people
seeking info
3) ditto for your "lots of people" comments
p.k.




Kind of reminds me why I quit Analogue Heaven.
> As far as your other slightly sarcastic comments are concerned,
there is at
> least one other person on this list who regularly records and
releases music
> using a Serge system. He uses an alias on the list and does not
seem to want
> to talk about his music but prefers to read about the ins and outs
of the
> Serge system.


He doesnt have to "be out" to admit to owning a Serge, does he ?
p.k.


I respect that.
> Is there any chance that you (PK) could hold back your criticisms
and
> sarcasm a little or should I give up on SMOG?


I'm sorry , but faced with unhelpfull & frankly silly replies to
sensible questions it begs pointing out .
Please notice I debate & qualify everything I discuss . Some
people , like yourself , say some strange things & dont explain or
qualify your statements .
I only see these sort of mails from people who say ridiculous
things , without any justification or qualification , then obviously
feel a bit stupid after getting a sensible response (you mentioned
(S.K.). Most of the time , there seems little mail to this group at
all .
I had expected the Serge owners to be more open ended ,
flexible , imaginative than some posts show . There are obviously
some very bright users & new owners on line , and any help that can
be given or taken is , I think important.I'm sure some sad folks
might think someone is giving ideas away or some such tripe.......



> BTW it wasn't "circa" the 'Frog Song' either.

Oh , no , thats right it was a bit after , when Paul was doing cool
stuff again (not.) You gotta admit , it looks very strange when you
use your real name in magazines with 100,000 circulation going on
about Dire Straits etc. & yet are shy of naming your "bands" on a 60
member web group. ????????

All this , I'm going home (and taking my football...)" stuff about
leaving sites , is so much childishness . I thought you must be
about 40 or so by now ? why not act it
Is this a page for discussion & help for Serge owners ? or is it
something else.
please , lets have answers in private - people smarting from their
stupidity/sillyness is surely not what people want to sign on for ?
email me at: sonicboom@...
And we'll discuss anything relevant .
Apolagies to poor folks wondering what this nonsense is
about.
Pete Kember
> CW

Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -yawn-email me in private

2001-05-28 by jhaible@t-online.de

> chris , the "pissy comments" originated from you . Unfortunately ,

> I am better known as Sonic boom than my real name , altho' anyone who
> remotely cares can find out a lot about me by one click on
> their 'puter...........


It was P.K.'s "pissy comments" that drove me away from the
putney list. Personally, I don't know about any Sonic Boo
(do I miss anything ?), and I surely don't want to find out
more about an individual with such manners.

If you're annoying a single person, it can always be the other's
fault. If you're annoying a lot of persons, the probablity
that they are all wrong is dwindling.

Just my opinion, of course.

JH.

Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -yawn-email me in private

2001-05-28 by Bill Felton

Seems to be a shared opinion...
Perhaps the best approach would be to ignore
any/all input from that source.

cheers,
Bill
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jhaible@... [mailto:jhaible@...]
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:29 AM
> To: SergeModular@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -yawn-email
> me in private
>
>
>
> > chris , the "pissy comments" originated from you . Unfortunately ,
>
> > I am better known as Sonic boom than my real name , altho' anyone who
> > remotely cares can find out a lot about me by one click on
> > their 'puter...........
>
>
> It was P.K.'s "pissy comments" that drove me away from the
> putney list. Personally, I don't know about any Sonic Boo
> (do I miss anything ?), and I surely don't want to find out
> more about an individual with such manners.
>
> If you're annoying a single person, it can always be the other's
> fault. If you're annoying a lot of persons, the probablity
> that they are all wrong is dwindling.
>
> Just my opinion, of course.
>
> JH.
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> SergeModular-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Keep on Patchin'!
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -yawn-email me in private

2001-05-28 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., jhaible@t... wrote:
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>
> > chris , the "pissy comments" originated from you .
Unfortunately ,
>
> > I am better known as Sonic boom than my real name , altho' anyone
who
> > remotely cares can find out a lot about me by one click on
> > their 'puter...........
>
>
> It was P.K.'s "pissy comments" that drove me away from the
> putney list. Personally, I don't know about any Sonic Boo
> (do I miss anything ?), and I surely don't want to find out
> more about an individual with such manners.

Juergen , the posts are there for anyone to read as to who said
what . It seems people are perfectly capable of making their own mind
up about who was spouting 2nd hand rubbish , and who qualified their
comments..................I am not asking anyone to find out
anything , just pointing out an error ......same deal with you if I
remember .
You had nothing to debate , say , or qualify - you stomped off in
a sulk . Your mails are self explanatory . I hear you stomped off the
synthdiy or was it Analogue heaven (?) for the same reasons -but
nothing at all to do with me .
p.k.


>
> If you're annoying a single person, it can always be the other's
> fault. If you're annoying a lot of persons, the probablity
> that they are all wrong is dwindling.

I annoy people who say foolish things that 1) they cannot qualify
& those like yourself who appear to think that anyone
contradicting your "wisdom" is some sorta enemy . When you are up to
qualifying your statements , I'm sure you'll be able to discuss &
debate w/out tantrums . I suspect you dont even know what your
talking about here , just sticking your oar in .
I have had numerous emails thanking me for putting up the info I
have . Jealousy.................that , i'll leave to you.
Klaar ?... Mein Herr?
P.K.
>
> Just my opinion, of course.
>
> JH.

Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -yawn-email me in private

2001-05-28 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., "Bill Felton" <bfelton@m...> wrote:
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> Seems to be a shared opinion...
> Perhaps the best approach would be to ignore
> any/all input from that source.



Dear Bill
Your email fails to mention what you are refering to or have any
qualification......
this is typical of what I am talking about . Name calling
etc. is the stuff of playgrounds & children . Adults should be able
to debate & discuss points . Not pull a wobbler because the holes in
their poorly considered spoutings are pulled apart .
Frankly , I would like to hear specifics , not the tripe put
forward by some . qualification , not masturbation.
It would appear that you dont know the differance . Are you the
bright spark that Sebastian was rallying to , er , defend ?
The evidence is there to see for anyone wishing to look . Anyone
bothering will soon see the hillarity of the situation , with all the
po-faces sitting round grinding their teeth.
P.K.

p.s. when you are able to read , please note thsat this is nothing
to do with this page . cos you or others made a fool of yourself on
another page , has nothing to do with this page . As I said , email
me in private & lets not waste anyone elses time .
This is childish beyond belief , and nothing to do with "EMS" etc.
Lets get back to what this site is about . real EMS info . I notice
very very very few mails of interest from you , so...again...actions
speek louder than words...

>
> cheers,
> Bill
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jhaible@t... [mailto:jhaible@t...]
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:29 AM
> > To: SergeModular@y...
> > Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -
yawn-email
> > me in private
> >
> >
> >
> > > chris , the "pissy comments" originated from you .
Unfortunately ,
> >
> > > I am better known as Sonic boom than my real name , altho'
anyone who
> > > remotely cares can find out a lot about me by one click on
> > > their 'puter...........
> >
> >
> > It was P.K.'s "pissy comments" that drove me away from the
> > putney list. Personally, I don't know about any Sonic Boo
> > (do I miss anything ?), and I surely don't want to find out
> > more about an individual with such manners.
> >
> > If you're annoying a single person, it can always be the other's
> > fault. If you're annoying a lot of persons, the probablity
> > that they are all wrong is dwindling.
> >
> > Just my opinion, of course.
> >
> > JH.
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > SergeModular-unsubscribe@y...
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >

Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -yawn-email me in private

2001-05-28 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., "Bill Felton" <bfelton@m...> wrote:
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> Seems to be a shared opinion...
> Perhaps the best approach would be to ignore
> any/all input from that source.

see the EMS "putney" site -where for some strange reason bill
has posted this . It is'nt very hard Bill to point out the sillyness
of your ways . Any poor soul wanting to see can look at your last
mails for the measure of that.......Perhaps anyone not being able to
debate , discuss or qualify might want to form a seperate group with
you & Juergen "stomps off regularly from lottsa sites " Haible.m
you qualify nothing , but resort to namecalling ??????
P.K.
p.s. does email in private ring any bells......??????
>
> cheers,
> Bill
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jhaible@t... [mailto:jhaible@t...]
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:29 AM
> > To: SergeModular@y...
> > Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -
yawn-email
> > me in private
> >
> >
> >
> > > chris , the "pissy comments" originated from you .
Unfortunately ,
> >
> > > I am better known as Sonic boom than my real name , altho'
anyone who
> > > remotely cares can find out a lot about me by one click on
> > > their 'puter...........
> >
> >
> > It was P.K.'s "pissy comments" that drove me away from the
> > putney list. Personally, I don't know about any Sonic Boo
> > (do I miss anything ?), and I surely don't want to find out
> > more about an individual with such manners.
> >
> > If you're annoying a single person, it can always be the other's
> > fault. If you're annoying a lot of persons, the probablity
> > that they are all wrong is dwindling.
> >
> > Just my opinion, of course.
> >
> > JH.
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > SergeModular-unsubscribe@y...
> >
> > Keep on Patchin'!
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >

Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -yawn-email me in private

2001-05-28 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., sonic@s... wrote:
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> --- In SergeModular@y..., "Bill Felton" <bfelton@m...> wrote:
> > Seems to be a shared opinion...
> > Perhaps the best approach would be to ignore
> > any/all input from that source.
>
> see the EMS "putney" site -where for some strange reason
bill
> has posted this . It is'nt very hard Bill to point out the
sillyness
> of your ways . Any poor soul wanting to see can look at your last
> mails for the measure of that.......Perhaps anyone not being able
to
> debate , discuss or qualify might want to form a seperate group
with
> you & Juergen "stomps off regularly from lottsa sites " Haible.m
> you qualify nothing , but resort to namecalling ??????
> P.K.
> p.s. does email in private ring any bells......??????
> >
> > cheers,
> > Bill
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jhaible@t... [mailto:jhaible@t...]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:29 AM
> > > To: SergeModular@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -
> yawn-email
> > > me in private
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > chris , the "pissy comments" originated from you .
> Unfortunately ,
> > >
> > > > I am better known as Sonic boom than my real name , altho'
> anyone who
> > > > remotely cares can find out a lot about me by one click on
> > > > their 'puter...........
> > >
> > >
> > > It was P.K.'s "pissy comments" that drove me away from the
> > > putney list. Personally, I don't know about any Sonic Boo
> > > (do I miss anything ?), and I surely don't want to find out
> > > more about an individual with such manners.
> > >
> > > If you're annoying a single person, it can always be the other's
> > > fault. If you're annoying a lot of persons, the probablity
> > > that they are all wrong is dwindling.
> > >
> > > Just my opinion, of course.
> > >
> > > JH.
> > >
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > SergeModular-unsubscribe@y...
> > >
> > > Keep on Patchin'!
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >

Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -yawn-email me in private

2001-05-28 by sonic@sonicboomuk.fsnet.co.uk

--- In SergeModular@y..., sonic@s... wrote:
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> --- In SergeModular@y..., "Bill Felton" <bfelton@m...> wrote:
> > Seems to be a shared opinion...
> > Perhaps the best approach would be to ignore
> > any/all input from that source.



My apolagies - your mail was not on Putney site , as I stated .It's
here on SMOG (hmmmmmmm.>.....) I was confused by the strange cross
site mail from other buddies of yours . Sorry , not too good with
names .....................best to keep stuff on the RIGHT site I
guess . B.t.w. - following your so called argument about "people
disagreeing...." by your argument , the world was flat for thousands
of years , because it was the common mis-conception ? your argument
falls flat in every "direction". Please email if you need it
explaining........................
p.k.









>
> see the EMS "putney" site -where for some strange reason
bill
> has posted this . It is'nt very hard Bill to point out the
sillyness
> of your ways . Any poor soul wanting to see can look at your last
> mails for the measure of that.......Perhaps anyone not being able
to
> debate , discuss or qualify might want to form a seperate group
with
> you & Juergen "stomps off regularly from lottsa sites " Haible.m
> you qualify nothing , but resort to namecalling ??????
> P.K.
> p.s. does email in private ring any bells......??????
> >
> > cheers,
> > Bill
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jhaible@t... [mailto:jhaible@t...]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:29 AM
> > > To: SergeModular@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [SergeModular] Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -
> yawn-email
> > > me in private
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > chris , the "pissy comments" originated from you .
> Unfortunately ,
> > >
> > > > I am better known as Sonic boom than my real name , altho'
> anyone who
> > > > remotely cares can find out a lot about me by one click on
> > > > their 'puter...........
> > >
> > >
> > > It was P.K.'s "pissy comments" that drove me away from the
> > > putney list. Personally, I don't know about any Sonic Boo
> > > (do I miss anything ?), and I surely don't want to find out
> > > more about an individual with such manners.
> > >
> > > If you're annoying a single person, it can always be the other's
> > > fault. If you're annoying a lot of persons, the probablity
> > > that they are all wrong is dwindling.
> > >
> > > Just my opinion, of course.
> > >
> > > JH.
> > >
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > SergeModular-unsubscribe@y...
> > >
> > > Keep on Patchin'!
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >

Re: : "Random" modules.chip talk -yawn-email me in private

2001-05-28 by jhaible@t-online.de

> Juergen , the posts are there for anyone to read as to who said
> what .

Fortunately. (;->)


> I am not asking anyone to find out
> anything , just pointing out an error ......same deal with you if I
> remember .

You, pointing out an error of mine? You're dreaming.


> I hear you stomped off the
> synthdiy or was it Analogue heaven (?) for the same reasons

You're hearing a lot of things. Which makes you so "experienced".


JH.

(Ignoring the rest of your insults , so don't
bother to add new ones.)

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