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1600 GT Chassis repairs and alternative engine

1600 GT Chassis repairs and alternative engine

2002-05-30 by pverdeyen

I need to give a newly purchased 1600 some remedial attention to the 
floor panels if I am to enjoy the short summer we have in UK, prior 
to a major rebuild during winter.
Can anybody tell me where I might find information or photos/diagrams 
of the best way to go about this. I believe that it is not 
recommended to do this from beneath the car, but that the car should 
be turned on it's side???? Can anybody confirm or deny this?

Also to any UK readers......does anybody have experience of fitting a 
UK 2.0l Pinto engine into a 1600?? Best Donor car? (Sierra or 
granada?) as I also want to fit the five speed gearbox
Thanks 
Paul

Re: 1600 GT Chassis repairs and alternative engine

2002-05-30 by mark_saxby

--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "pverdeyen" <pverdeyen@y...> wrote:
> I need to give a newly purchased 1600 some remedial attention to 
the 
> floor panels if I am to enjoy the short summer we have in UK, prior 
> to a major rebuild during winter.
> Can anybody tell me where I might find information or 
photos/diagrams 
> of the best way to go about this. I believe that it is not 
> recommended to do this from beneath the car, but that the car 
should 
> be turned on it's side???? Can anybody confirm or deny this?

Only really a case that it'll be EASIER to work on the car on it's 
side (I'm assuming you've got a wood chassis? If not, there's even 
less reason I guess) rather than NOT possible. If you can get 
sufficient light and clearance, I can't see why you couldn't do 
repairs from underneath, provide it's the, non-structual, floor.

> 
> Also to any UK readers......does anybody have experience of fitting 
a 
> UK 2.0l Pinto engine into a 1600?? Best Donor car? (Sierra or 
> granada?) as I also want to fit the five speed gearbox

Never done it, but once drove a 4 cylinder, 2 litre Marcos with quick 
shift box and it was great, so I'd recommend trying it. Most later 
Marcos I think had the OHC engine. Is this the Pinto? If so, I'm sure 
the one I drove came out of a Sierra, box and all. Alan Fereday of 
Fereday cars (www.feredaycars.co.uk) owned and built the one I drove.
Probably worth giving him a ring.

Cheers,

Mark

Re: 1600 GT Chassis repairs and alternative engine

2002-05-31 by pverdeyen

Mark
Thanks for your reply and btw great website you have for info.
I asked about the work on the chassis (yes wooden) because I seem to 
recall having read an article somewhere that advised strongly to turn 
the car on it's side. It's the footwell area which needs attention so 
I guess I will raise the car as far as possible and work from beneath.
Regarding the Pinto engine, dimensionally I believe it is very 
similar to the X-Flow BUT the exhaust manifold is on the opposite 
side and looking at it I can see it might give me a few problems.
I will certainly contact the website you mentioned
Thanks again
Paul V

RE: [MarcosManiacs] Re: 1600 GT Chassis repairs and alternative engine

2002-05-31 by Dave McGill

I echo Mark's words.
The advantage in rolling the car on it's side (Normally on to an old mattress) is accessibility. If the work is to the floor panels I would suggest lifting the car as high as possible and work from the inside and underneath.
I've not done the foot well floors but have done the boot floor, and attacked it this way. (The biggest problem is the resin that runs down your arms as you finish off the bonding in!!).
As for the engine swap, never seen a pinto in a wooden chassis, the biggest problems I would see is the height of the engine, and lack of a power bulge in the bonnet that would give room for the cam. Also the exhaust manifold will be a problem, its tight on the 1600, the increased diameter for a 2.0 will make is difficult, but not impossible. But most certainly a specialist job, perhaps even going over the rear of the bell housing.
Cheers,
Dave.
#5118 1967 Ford 1600GT

-----Original Message-----
From: mark_saxby [mailto:mark.saxby@...]
Sent: 30 May 2002 17:42
To: MarcosManiacs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MarcosManiacs] Re: 1600 GT Chassis repairs and alternative engine

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--- In MarcosManiacs@y..., "pverdeyen" wrote:
> I need to give a newly purchased 1600 some remedial attention to
the
> floor panels if I am to enjoy the short summer we have in UK, prior
> to a major rebuild during winter.
> Can anybody tell me where I might find information or
photos/diagrams
> of the best way to go about this. I believe that it is not
> recommended to do this from beneath the car, but that the car
should
> be turned on it's side???? Can anybody confirm or deny this?

Only really a case that it'll be EASIER to work on the car on it's
side (I'm assuming you've got a wood chassis? If not, there's even
less reason I guess) rather than NOT possible. If you can get
sufficient light and clearance, I can't see why you couldn't do
repairs from underneath, provide it's the, non-structual, floor.

>
> Also to any UK readers......does anybody have experience of fitting
a
> UK 2.0l Pinto engine into a 1600?? Best Donor car? (Sierra or
> granada?) as I also want to fit the five speed gearbox

Never done it, but once drove a 4 cylinder, 2 litre Marcos with quick
shift box and it was great, so I'd recommend trying it. Most later
Marcos I think had the OHC engine. Is this the Pinto? If so, I'm sure
the one I drove came out of a Sierra, box and all. Alan Fereday of
Fereday cars (www.feredaycars.co.uk) owned and built the one I drove.
Probably worth giving him a ring.

Cheers,

Mark



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Website update!

2002-06-01 by Jeff Caraway

Hi All,
Your long lost web-site guy here! I finally made some time to add some
more material to the site. Sorry I've been delinquent lately!
This time up, we have additions to the registry for Lee Brinkley, Ashley
Molyneux, and Ian Turner.
The 1981 Marcos build manual is the feature of the month thanks to Mike
Denman and Ashley Molyneux!
There are some very handy brake and clutch parts number lists that can
be found in the Parts Reference section under Technical. 
These were provided to us by Lee Brinkley who compiled them from Marcos
club material. Thanks!
And. other various odd and ends that I failed to keep track of (just too
busy! Sheesh!).
 
I hope everyone enjoys them and please keep sending me stuff! I think
our website is filling out nicely and I want to see it continue to grow.
I need technical articles, build manuals, pictures, cool stories, etc.,
so that I have enough to keep our site interesting!
 
Thanks again to everyone for your contributions!
Best Regards,
Jeff
#8052

Re: 1600 GT Chassis repairs and alternative engine

2002-06-17 by pverdeyen

Dave
Thanks your words of wisdom and much the way I had decided to go 
already, i.e. underneath and inside.
Re:- Pinto, the added problem is that the exhaust manifold is on the 
other side to the Xflow, adding to the problems. I have now sourced a 
number of alternatives 1600 Xflows so will purchase a spare, take my 
existing one out and have rebuilt to "good" spec. Unusually, it turns 
out from the previous owner, that the pistons are flat topped, when 
for the engine number and age they should have been the "bowl-in" 
type. Any comments??
Thanks again for the info
Paul
#5239

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