Digital BW, The Print

I spoke with MIS tech support today and they stated that any of the cartridges for the Epson 1400 made before the 1430 was released will not work in the 1430. (That's me.) Apparently, after the 1430 was released, Epson made some kind of a change in the interface and the third party chips had to be modified. Upgrade chips are not being offered. A new set of six cartridge is $30, so this is not a big deal, just kind of a hassle. 

I'll use the 1430 for color printing, both Epson and MIS inks, and dedicate the 1400 to B&W printing using the old MIS cartridges, which I have loaded for C-6, UT14 and LK2LK. 

As for mixing Epson and MIS cartridges in the 1430, I don't know if this is really an issue. I have certainly mixed them in the 1400. I did it just last week when I ran out of Epson black and threw in the MIS black to finish a project I was working on. Not a whimper from the 1400, it just kept on going.

Well I don't know about that.  I just received a 1430 to replace my 1400 and
my generic non-OEM 1400 carts with the generic non-OEM chips work just fine.

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
remononaz1
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:39 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 1430 Non-OEM Cartridge Issues - Resolution

 

  

I spoke with MIS tech support today and they stated that any of the
cartridges for the Epson 1400 made before the 1430 was released will not
work in the 1430. (That's me.) Apparently, after the 1430 was released,
Epson made some kind of a change in the interface and the third party chips
had to be modified. Upgrade chips are not being offered. A new set of six
cartridge is $30, so this is not a big deal, just kind of a hassle. 

I'll use the 1430 for color printing, both Epson and MIS inks, and dedicate
the 1400 to B&W printing using the old MIS cartridges, which I have loaded
for C-6, UT14 and LK2LK. 

As for mixing Epson and MIS cartridges in the 1430, I don't know if this is
really an issue. I have certainly mixed them in the 1400. I did it just last
week when I ran out of Epson black and threw in the MIS black to finish a
project I was working on. Not a whimper from the 1400, it just kept on
going. 





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Thanks for looking into this.

When the 1430 chips arrive, could you let us know if they work when mixed
with Epson chips?  It matters in several of the workflows I've published.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com



On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:39 PM, remononaz1 <homershannon@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I spoke with MIS tech support today and they stated that any of the
> cartridges for the Epson 1400 made before the 1430 was released will not
> work in the 1430. (That's me.) Apparently, after the 1430 was released,
> Epson made some kind of a change in the interface and the third party chips
> had to be modified. Upgrade chips are not being offered. A new set of six
> cartridge is $30, so this is not a big deal, just kind of a hassle.
>
> I'll use the 1430 for color printing, both Epson and MIS inks, and
> dedicate the 1400 to B&W printing using the old MIS cartridges, which I
> have loaded for C-6, UT14 and LK2LK.
>
> As for mixing Epson and MIS cartridges in the 1430, I don't know if this
> is really an issue. I have certainly mixed them in the 1400. I did it just
> last week when I ran out of Epson black and threw in the MIS black to
> finish a project I was working on. Not a whimper from the 1400, it just
> kept on going.
>
>  
>


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Further on this, I have version 6.0 chips in my carts, that may make a
difference as older chips may not work in the 1430 even if they work in the
1400. 

 

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Well I don't know about that. I just received a 1430 to replace my 1400 and
my generic non-OEM 1400 carts with the generic non-OEM chips work just fine.

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 1430 Non-OEM Cartridge Issues - Resolution

I spoke with MIS tech support today and they stated that any of the
cartridges for the Epson 1400 made before the 1430 was released will not
work in the 1430. (That's me.) Apparently, after the 1430 was released,
Epson made some kind of a change in the interface and the third party chips
had to be modified. Upgrade chips are not being offered. A new set of six
cartridge is $30, so this is not a big deal, just kind of a hassle. 

I'll use the 1430 for color printing, both Epson and MIS inks, and dedicate
the 1400 to B&W printing using the old MIS cartridges, which I have loaded
for C-6, UT14 and LK2LK. 

As for mixing Epson and MIS cartridges in the 1430, I don't know if this is
really an issue. I have certainly mixed them in the 1400. I did it just last
week when I ran out of Epson black and threw in the MIS black to finish a
project I was working on. Not a whimper from the 1400, it just kept on
going. 

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I have v6.0 on the cartridges that don't work in the 1430 and I've spoken with another person using v6.0 in a 1430 successfully. I'm not sure what the v6.0 means or if it is a factor. 

I purchased my cartridges in 2010 and 2011. The 1430 came out about a year ago and that is when the change occurred. If you purchased your carts within the last year I would expect them to have the new chips. It's possible that my most recently purchased cartridges would work in the 1430, but I've only been trying the ones filled with color ink and they are the oldest ones. 

I'll test using a mix of Epson and MIS cartridges and let you know how it goes. Before I do, if anyone has real information on why this should not be done (MIS says not to do it), please speak up!

Homer

V6.0 is the version number of the chip. It's my understanding that 6.0 is
the latest version.  As I said it works in my 1430 which I just received and
installed on Tuesday. Mine is a refurb from Epson directly so I would
presume that it has the latest version of the printer software. 

 

Does anyone know how to determine what level of the software is? Perhaps
that would help.

 

Another interesting fact is that when I look at the cartridge info in Status
Monitor it reports the carts as being genuine Epson.  Go figure..

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
remononaz1
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:01 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 1430 Non-OEM Cartridge Issues - Resolution

 

  

I have v6.0 on the cartridges that don't work in the 1430 and I've spoken
with another person using v6.0 in a 1430 successfully. I'm not sure what the
v6.0 means or if it is a factor. 

I purchased my cartridges in 2010 and 2011. The 1430 came out about a year
ago and that is when the change occurred. If you purchased your carts within
the last year I would expect them to have the new chips. It's possible that
my most recently purchased cartridges would work in the 1430, but I've only
been trying the ones filled with color ink and they are the oldest ones. 

I'll test using a mix of Epson and MIS cartridges and let you know how it
goes. Before I do, if anyone has real information on why this should not be
done (MIS says not to do it), please speak up!

Homer 





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On 1/23/2013 4:14 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
>
> Thanks for looking into this.
>
> When the 1430 chips arrive, could you let us know if they work when mixed
> with Epson chips? It matters in several of the workflows I've published.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:39 PM, remononaz1 homershannon@... 
> <mailto:homershannon%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I spoke with MIS tech support today and they stated that any of the
> > cartridges for the Epson 1400 made before the 1430 was released will not
> > work in the 1430. (That's me.) Apparently, after the 1430 was released,
> > Epson made some kind of a change in the interface and the third 
> party chips
> > had to be modified. Upgrade chips are not being offered. A new set 
> of six
> > cartridge is $30, so this is not a big deal, just kind of a hassle.
> >
> > I'll use the 1430 for color printing, both Epson and MIS inks, and
> > dedicate the 1400 to B&W printing using the old MIS cartridges, which I
> > have loaded for C-6, UT14 and LK2LK.
> >
> > As for mixing Epson and MIS cartridges in the 1430, I don't know if this
> > is really an issue. I have certainly mixed them in the 1400. I did 
> it just
> > last week when I ran out of Epson black and threw in the MIS black to
> > finish a project I was working on. Not a whimper from the 1400, it just
> > kept on going.
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
> 
Hello Paul,

As I promised, following arrival of the Edwal, I loaded the Noritsu 
2K3lK (4 inks) into MIS 1400 cartridges and used Epson Claria cartridges 
for the yellow and light magenta into my new 1430. After making sure 
that the MIS cartridges were fully seated (tricky), I installed the 
printer (Windows 7 and wireless network ). No problem. Printed my first 
2K2LK on Red River metallic (using your QTR profile). Pretty spectacular!

Sadly, MIS doesn't keep its loyal customers informed about 1400 vs 1430 
known difficulties. Since my MIS 1400 cartridges were purchased in 
December and the 1430 is a new printer with the latest software and 
drivers, I don't know if older MIS 1400 cartridges cause problems alone 
or in a mix. Some may still have installation problems with older MIS 
cartridges and the 1430. The good news here is that a Claria and MIS 
cartridge mix will work and none of your various ink sets should have a 
problem with later 1400 MIS cartridges. Was there ever a real problem, 
I'm not sure.

Tom Hefter


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Thanks Tom,

... <bengui@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> > ... I loaded the Noritsu 2K2LK (4 inks) into MIS 1400 cartridges and
> used Epson Claria cartridges for the yellow and light magenta into my new
> 1430. After making sure
> that the MIS cartridges were fully seated (tricky), I installed the
> printer (Windows 7 and wireless network ). No problem. Printed my first
> 2K2LK on Red River metallic (using your QTR profile). Pretty spectacular!
>

OK, so it sounds like the Epson-Noritsu dye "2K2LK" workflow is going to be
in good shape.  See
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf

(But, from other e-mails it also appears that the older MIS 1400 chips do
not work in the 1430.)


> ... my MIS 1400 cartridges were purchased in
> December and the 1430 is a new printer ...
>

So, you would appear to have the new style chips.

The good news here is that a Claria and MIS
> cartridge mix will work and none of your various ink sets should have a
> problem with later 1400 MIS cartridges.
>

Yes, very good news.  Thank you.

The 1400/1430 with the 2K 2LK (a full quad, but just 2 densities), setup
makes very fine B&W prints.

Note that this dye technology is best in incandescent and modern LED
lighting.  Older fluorescent lights produce too much of a color shift for
me.  These don't show well with carbon prints.  They are a slightly
different medium (which is good).

I've taken the dye technology up to the 4000 (17" wide; see
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4000-Noritsu-5K-Plus.pdf ) and will put on
an entire show with that technology in September at Gallery Los Olivos <
http://www.gallerylosolivos.com/>.  I'll be testing the Red River metallic
in a 17" roll for this soon.  Particularly if the cutter works, that could
make a very efficient way to pump out impressive B&W images.  (I dry mount
and frame with black wood with no mat board or glazing.  The print does
have a protective spray.)

Enjoy,

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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On 1/24/2013 5:37 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
> I've taken the dye technology up to the 4000 (17" wide; see 
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4000-Noritsu-5K-Plus.pdf) and will 
> put on an entire show with that technology in September at Gallery Los 
> Olivos <http://www.gallerylosolivos.com/>. I'll be testing the Red 
> River metallic in a 17" roll for this soon. Particularly if the cutter 
> works, that could make a very efficient way to pump out impressive B&W 
> images. (I dry mountand frame with black wood with no mat board or 
> glazing. The print doeshave a protective spray.)

While using UC inks, I had spent more time unclogging my 4000 than time 
spent in printing. It was quite frustrating and expensive. Your cleaning 
methods for clearing the 4000 after it had set for years was amazingly 
helpful. Since using your E6 carbon ink set in the 4000, I haven't had a 
single clog that didn't clear with one short cleaning cycle. I have been 
thinking about using the Noritsu 4000-5K-plus ink set in it but haven't 
ventured there yet.

Your work with the 4000 is exciting and a redemption for this old 88# 
workhorse model. Many were left abandoned because of incessant UC 
clogging problems and poor dMax. I'll be looking forward to your 
September exhibition at Gallery Los Olivos where I'm sure that the 
perfection of your images shown in this way will produce a very positive 
shock and awe. I'm especially excited about the 4000'sreincarnation with 
your really spectacular new ink set on metallic. I sense that it will 
finally allow truly great images from a 4000 that never seemed capable 
of producing them with pigment or traditional ink sets.

(Do you describe your dry mounting method in any of the pdf's? I'll look at
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4000-Noritsu-5K-Plus.pdf 
<http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4000-Noritsu-5K-Plus.pdf>and see if 
it's mentioned there.

Paul, thank you for your ink sets, mixing and purchasing instructions, 
carbon on cotton archival methods and all the years of teaching and 
sharing your vast array of photographic and artistic knowledge and 
excellence. You have made switching from film to digital not only easier 
but you have also furthered digital photographic attainments to new 
heights. Browsing through literally hundreds of highly regarded past era 
photographic portfolios, it is apparent that the attainment of enhanced 
digital images has raised the technical possibilities for this new 
photographic world greatly.

Thanks again,
Tom Hefter
<http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4000-Noritsu-5K-Plus.pdf>
>
>
>
> 



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Tom <bengui@...> wrote:

> **
>
> While using UC inks, I had spent more time unclogging my 4000 than time
> spent in printing.
>

It had a terrible reputation.  From what I've seen, part of the problem may
be that it's subject to ink backflow if left ideal too long.  Then only a
power cleaning will clear it.  So, as with most printers, once a week
printing is quite important.


>  Your cleaning
> methods for clearing the 4000 after it had set for years was amazingly
> helpful.
>


Let me make a note here.  The Windex on the pad may have finally killed my
7800 head.  It might also have been the roll of Arches I fed through the
machine.  At any rate, I had to replace the 7800 head and the repair person
warned that the ammonia in Windex can damage internal rubber gaskets in
Epson heads.  So, as I've been told before, don't let Windex with ammonia
be in contact with these heads for too long a time.



> Since using your E6 carbon ink set in the 4000, I haven't had a
> single clog that didn't clear with one short cleaning cycle.
>


The pattern I see is that Eboni MK (100% Eboni) clogs about as much as most
MKs.  In my 1400s, this is very rare.  In my 7800, it'll clog the same jets
every time it's left for much more than a week.  (That is where I got into
a practice of routinely using Windex on the pad the night before using the
printer if it had sat for more than a week, and that practice may have
wrecked the head.)  The dilute Eboni's virtually never clog.  There is no
binder in the generic base, so that eliminates one of the major factors in
clogging.




> ... the 4000...
> workhorse model. Many were left abandoned because of incessant UC
> clogging problems
>

Dust those old guys off.  They are clearly usable for some approaches.



> and poor dMax.
>

I don't have a solution for the poor matte paper dmax with pigments (at
least Eboni).  I recommend putting clear fluid in the MK position.  Then if
the printer is going to be left, you can print a tiny amount of "matte"
paper to blow the PK out of the head.  That might help if pigments are in
the machine.  I've never had a dye ink clog (yet -- knocking
on simulated wood here).



> ...
> (Do you describe your dry mounting method in any of the pdf's?
>

I use 24x36 inch heat-activated, coated fome-cor from M&M distributors.  I
have an old dry mount press from the wet print era that works very well.
 (I use this fome-cor only for the glossy dye prints.  Carbon matte prints
are never dry mounted.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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