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B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by Lynn

Hello,I am looking for a printer that will allow me to print both good B
as well as color.  I have been printing with a 6 ink Canon i960 which
does fine with color but unsatisfactory B--color casts, metamerism, etc.
The Canon printer has been very reliable and maintenance free--no
problems.  My wife is the principal user of this printer.  
I have followed with interest on this forum the work of Paul Roark and
have read (several times!) his paper on printing B with an Epson
1400/1430 using QTR and the Epson Claria inkset.  It seems this
process produces very acceptable glossy B prints particularly with Red
River Polar metallic paper.  I feel this affordable  approach
would provide the quality I seek in B printing, at least for now,
without committing to a dedicated B printer.  I'm not looking for
collector or museum quality here but just respectable quality for
personal use.  
But I have some questions and would be most grateful for any comments or
suggestions: 1. Must the OEM Claria inkset be used or might a 3rd party
inkset be acceptable, such as one from MIS Associates?  The cost
advantage with the MIS inks is substantial.  2. What about clogging
issues?  I've not used Epson printers but have read in the past this
has been a problem.  Maybe this only applies to pigment inks.  3.
Are there other similar printer/workflows I should be researching that
might apply?
I appreciate any and all input.  Thanks,Lynn 




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Re: [Digital BW] B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by Mark Sonners

what about inkjetmall.com.  they have both pigment and dye based color and the the k6 b/w piezography inksets.   I've used both the color pigment and the b/w on the 1430  and it only takes 1 clean cycle to switch between the different inksets.  haven't tried the dye based version.  it's very inexpensive.  
mark
On Jan 6, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Lynn wrote:

> Hello,I am looking for a printer that will allow me to print both good B
> as well as color.  I have been printing with a 6 ink Canon i960 which
> does fine with color but unsatisfactory B--color casts, metamerism, etc.
> The Canon printer has been very reliable and maintenance free--no
> problems.  My wife is the principal user of this printer.  
> I have followed with interest on this forum the work of Paul Roark and
> have read (several times!) his paper on printing B with an Epson
> 1400/1430 using QTR and the Epson Claria inkset.  It seems this
> process produces very acceptable glossy B prints particularly with Red
> River Polar metallic paper.  I feel this affordable  approach
> would provide the quality I seek in B printing, at least for now,
> without committing to a dedicated B printer.  I'm not looking for
> collector or museum quality here but just respectable quality for
> personal use.  
> But I have some questions and would be most grateful for any comments or
> suggestions: 1. Must the OEM Claria inkset be used or might a 3rd party
> inkset be acceptable, such as one from MIS Associates?  The cost
> advantage with the MIS inks is substantial.  2. What about clogging
> issues?  I've not used Epson printers but have read in the past this
> has been a problem.  Maybe this only applies to pigment inks.  3.
> Are there other similar printer/workflows I should be researching that
> might apply?
> I appreciate any and all input.  Thanks,Lynn 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 



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Re: [Digital BW] B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by Paul Roark

On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Lynn <lmfleming@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hello,I am looking for a printer that will allow me to print both good B
> as well as color. ...
>

I have found the QTR Claria/1400 prints with the OEM inkset OK for cards
(see http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-BW.pdf), but I've also
found that with some of my files with smooth, plain skies, the combo does
not do as even a job on the skies as I'd like.  So, I switch some of the
colors and go for the 2K2LK approach (see
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf).  It takes
2 cleaning cycles to get rid of the previous ink.

I do not recommend any other dye at this point.  Not that none are any
good, but so  far the Claria/Noritsu dyes are the only ones I've seen that
have acceptably color constancy and lack of metamerism for B&W.

For color + B&W, a new or used K3 printer might be an option to consider
also.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by remononaz1

Looks like you are ready for an Epson 1430; good, cheap and prints black and white or color brilliantly. Paul Roark has developed several black-only strategies and the materials are all available at MIS. MIS' color inks are good, too, though they fade faster than Claria inks. 

My suggestions is get a printer and order both black and white and color refill kits from MIS. Put the Claria inks in a drawer and save them until you need to use them for some really special prints. You will be happy with the MIS inks an won't spend a fortune on Claria color inks. 

I have more information on basic black and white printing on the 1400 at www.remononaz.blogspot.com. Paul is the go-to source for the details on the different black-only inks. http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn"  wrote:
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>
> Hello,I am looking for a printer that will allow me to print both good B
> as well as color.  I have been printing with a 6 ink Canon i960 which
> does fine with color but unsatisfactory B--color casts, metamerism, etc.
> The Canon printer has been very reliable and maintenance free--no
> problems.  My wife is the principal user of this printer.  
> I have followed with interest on this forum the work of Paul Roark and
> have read (several times!) his paper on printing B with an Epson
> 1400/1430 using QTR and the Epson Claria inkset.  It seems this
> process produces very acceptable glossy B prints particularly with Red
> River Polar metallic paper.  I feel this affordable  approach
> would provide the quality I seek in B printing, at least for now,
> without committing to a dedicated B printer.  I'm not looking for
> collector or museum quality here but just respectable quality for
> personal use.  
> But I have some questions and would be most grateful for any comments or
> suggestions: 1. Must the OEM Claria inkset be used or might a 3rd party
> inkset be acceptable, such as one from MIS Associates?  The cost
> advantage with the MIS inks is substantial.  2. What about clogging
> issues?  I've not used Epson printers but have read in the past this
> has been a problem.  Maybe this only applies to pigment inks.  3.
> Are there other similar printer/workflows I should be researching that
> might apply?
> I appreciate any and all input.  Thanks,Lynn 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>

Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by ben

I have been doing it for years with an Epson R1800 and a 3K set up.  It works quite well.  Good luck in finding a good R1800 though.  Most are now not working at their best.

I think you can do it with the R1900 too, but not as well.

The only negative aspect of the set up is that it is either matte, or glossy paper, not either.  Unless you are willing to lose some ink.  I have both matte black, and photo black cartridges loaded for the three black channels.

Ben



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn"  wrote:
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>
> Hello,I am looking for a printer that will allow me to print both good B
> as well as color.  I have been printing with a 6 ink Canon i960 which
> does fine with color but unsatisfactory B--color casts, metamerism, etc.
> The Canon printer has been very reliable and maintenance free--no
> problems.  My wife is the principal user of this printer.  
> I have followed with interest on this forum the work of Paul Roark and
> have read (several times!) his paper on printing B with an Epson
> 1400/1430 using QTR and the Epson Claria inkset.  It seems this
> process produces very acceptable glossy B prints particularly with Red
> River Polar metallic paper.  I feel this affordable  approach
> would provide the quality I seek in B printing, at least for now,
> without committing to a dedicated B printer.  I'm not looking for
> collector or museum quality here but just respectable quality for
> personal use.  
> But I have some questions and would be most grateful for any comments or
> suggestions: 1. Must the OEM Claria inkset be used or might a 3rd party
> inkset be acceptable, such as one from MIS Associates?  The cost
> advantage with the MIS inks is substantial.  2. What about clogging
> issues?  I've not used Epson printers but have read in the past this
> has been a problem.  Maybe this only applies to pigment inks.  3.
> Are there other similar printer/workflows I should be researching that
> might apply?
> I appreciate any and all input.  Thanks,Lynn 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by Paul

Just checked my account and found out I've had my R1800 five years! Where did the time go? But so far so good, it's served me well. 

I have it set up with Paul's 3MK (MIS Eboni ink) configuration and have been happy with some fine b/w work. The five color slots use carts with MIS Cleaning Fluid, but now I'd like to do some occasional color work. I'm thinking of using MIS color ink... I'll be limited to matt but that's ok, I'd prefer matt anyway.

Has anyone used MIS color inks with their Eboni ink? Should be ok, don't you think? I have the five colors (cyan,magenta,yellow,red, blue) in small 2 oz bottles, MIS sells them to refill the PictureMate, a project that didn't work out for me for other reasons. What's interesting is that this inkset for the PictureMate uses the designation, to take the yellow as an example "R800 Yellow". This tells me this inkset is used in the R800/R1800 as well as the PictureMate. The label also says "gloss compatible" but I take that to mean that by itself it's not gloss, but only gloss when there's a GLOP cartridge and a PK cartridge in the setup.

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ben"  wrote:
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> 
> I have been doing it for years with an Epson R1800 and a 3K set up.  It works quite well.  Good luck in finding a good R1800 though.  Most are now not working at their best.
> 
> I think you can do it with the R1900 too, but not as well.
> 
> The only negative aspect of the set up is that it is either matte, or glossy paper, not either.  Unless you are willing to lose some ink.  I have both matte black, and photo black cartridges loaded for the three black channels.
> 
> Ben

Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by Paul Roark

Paul <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> ... R1800 ... 3MK (MIS Eboni ink) configuration ...
>


> now I'd like to do some occasional color work. I'm thinking of using MIS
> color ink... I'll be limited to matt but that's ok, I'd prefer matt anyway.
>
> Has anyone used MIS color inks with their Eboni ink? Should be ok, don't
> you think?
>

It works fine.  I think you'll find everything at or linked to
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm .

The colors are in the same family of inks as the MIS PK.  So, you can swap
out the one cart and print color glossy.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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[Digital BW] Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark  wrote:

> The colors are in the same family of inks as the MIS PK.  So, you can swap
> out the one cart and print color glossy.

Thanks Paul, but wouldn't I have to swap out two MK carts, and replace one with PK and the other with GLOP?

Re: [Digital BW] B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by Lynn

Mark,
Thanks for reminding me about Jon Cone and InkjetMall.  I am aware of them from a few years back but had forgotten about it.  I looked at the website last night and I think this is definitely a viable alternative.  I could find the color pigment and BW inksets but not the dye set.  The note said coming soon for Claria printers.  Maybe I was in the wrong place. Can you send me a URL link?

Will you clarify what you mean by "1 clean cycle"?  I think it means using a set of carts with cleaning solution and running a head clean cycle.  OR?  Excuse my ignorance, I have not switched a full set of cartridges before.  

Many thanks,

Lynn

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Sonners  wrote:
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> what about inkjetmall.com.  they have both pigment and dye based color and the the k6 b/w piezography inksets.   I've used both the color pigment and the b/w on the 1430  and it only takes 1 clean cycle to switch between the different inksets.  haven't tried the dye based version.  it's very inexpensive.  
> mark
> On Jan 6, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Lynn wrote:
> 
> > Hello,I am looking for a printer that will allow me to print both good B
> > as well as color.  I have been printing with a 6 ink Canon i960 which
> > does fine with color but unsatisfactory B--color casts, metamerism, etc.
> > The Canon printer has been very reliable and maintenance free--no
> > problems.  My wife is the principal user of this printer.  
> > I have followed with interest on this forum the work of Paul Roark and
> > have read (several times!) his paper on printing B with an Epson
> > 1400/1430 using QTR and the Epson Claria inkset.  It seems this
> > process produces very acceptable glossy B prints particularly with Red
> > River Polar metallic paper.  I feel this affordable  approach
> > would provide the quality I seek in B printing, at least for now,
> > without committing to a dedicated B printer.  I'm not looking for
> > collector or museum quality here but just respectable quality for
> > personal use.  
> > But I have some questions and would be most grateful for any comments or
> > suggestions: 1. Must the OEM Claria inkset be used or might a 3rd party
> > inkset be acceptable, such as one from MIS Associates?  The cost
> > advantage with the MIS inks is substantial.  2. What about clogging
> > issues?  I've not used Epson printers but have read in the past this
> > has been a problem.  Maybe this only applies to pigment inks.  3.
> > Are there other similar printer/workflows I should be researching that
> > might apply?
> > I appreciate any and all input.  Thanks,Lynn 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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[Digital BW] Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by Paul

Sorry, one more thing: could I then use the Epson print driver instead of QTR?
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> It works fine.  I think you'll find everything at or linked to
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm .
> 
> The colors are in the same family of inks as the MIS PK.  So, you can swap
> out the one cart and print color glossy.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by edward wiseman

I use XG dye based clones from LYSON via INK2IMAGE..They are fantasic, and the color gamut isWIDE....I've been using the XG inks for over 5 years now with nary a problem,,AND I'm using them in conjunction with Red river Metallic and their Arctic Polar Gloss..The rsults look "liquid" on the print IMHO..     http://ink2image.com/Fotonic.html

Eddie
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  From: Lynn 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] B&W and Color with one printer?


    
  Mark,
  Thanks for reminding me about Jon Cone and InkjetMall. I am aware of them from a few years back but had forgotten about it. I looked at the website last night and I think this is definitely a viable alternative. I could find the color pigment and BW inksets but not the dye set. The note said coming soon for Claria printers. Maybe I was in the wrong place. Can you send me a URL link?

  Will you clarify what you mean by "1 clean cycle"? I think it means using a set of carts with cleaning solution and running a head clean cycle. OR? Excuse my ignorance, I have not switched a full set of cartridges before. 

  Many thanks,

  Lynn

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Sonners wrote:
  >
  > what about inkjetmall.com. they have both pigment and dye based color and the the k6 b/w piezography inksets. I've used both the color pigment and the b/w on the 1430 and it only takes 1 clean cycle to switch between the different inksets. haven't tried the dye based version. it's very inexpensive. 
  > mark
  > On Jan 6, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Lynn wrote:
  > 
  > > Hello,I am looking for a printer that will allow me to print both good B
  > > as well as color. I have been printing with a 6 ink Canon i960 which
  > > does fine with color but unsatisfactory B--color casts, metamerism, etc.
  > > The Canon printer has been very reliable and maintenance free--no
  > > problems. My wife is the principal user of this printer. 
  > > I have followed with interest on this forum the work of Paul Roark and
  > > have read (several times!) his paper on printing B with an Epson
  > > 1400/1430 using QTR and the Epson Claria inkset. It seems this
  > > process produces very acceptable glossy B prints particularly with Red
  > > River Polar metallic paper. I feel this affordable approach
  > > would provide the quality I seek in B printing, at least for now,
  > > without committing to a dedicated B printer. I'm not looking for
  > > collector or museum quality here but just respectable quality for
  > > personal use. 
  > > But I have some questions and would be most grateful for any comments or
  > > suggestions: 1. Must the OEM Claria inkset be used or might a 3rd party
  > > inkset be acceptable, such as one from MIS Associates? The cost
  > > advantage with the MIS inks is substantial. 2. What about clogging
  > > issues? I've not used Epson printers but have read in the past this
  > > has been a problem. Maybe this only applies to pigment inks. 3.
  > > Are there other similar printer/workflows I should be researching that
  > > might apply?
  > > I appreciate any and all input. Thanks,Lynn 
  > > 
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  > > 
  > > 
  > 
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  > 
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Re: [Digital BW] B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by Mark Sonners

Lynn,

You're right,  the thrift ink category isn't ready for the 6 ink printers such as the 1430.  I suspect Cone is still working out the  profiles for a inkset that only has 1 black.  He likes to provide turn key set ups with the corresponding profiles.  You could always create your own profile for the 6 inkset.  I created my own profiles with the color pigment set and it worked out great.  I also use  a full K3 8 ink set on a 3800.  With a full inkset you can use Epson profiles with good results and not do your own profile.  The clean cycle is accomplished by just swapping out the ink cartridges with another one such as the K6 which causes the printer to do a full clean cycle of all the inks.  This is sufficient to flush out the previous inkset with the new one.  I routinely switch back and forth.  The 1430 clean cycle doesn't use alot of ink.  The K6 set comes with Cone created QTR curves that work well.  K6 is almost as good as K7  just missing shade 7, the lightest ink.  This shade is only the lightest value  just below paper white.  The K6 curve is merely going to dither those really light values a little more than a full K7 set would.  I use K7 sets on 7880's and really don't see a difference unless you know what to look for. The only other thing with the K6 set is it's only going to be matte.  The 1430 doesn't support another channel for the GLO pass.  You would need another machine for that or spray with a gloss spray,  but who wants to do that?  The color pigment set can switch between MK and PK  and you will get a great gloss on Type 5 or Micro Pore type paper.  M2C


On Jan 7, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Lynn wrote:

> Mark,
> Thanks for reminding me about Jon Cone and InkjetMall. I am aware of them from a few years back but had forgotten about it. I looked at the website last night and I think this is definitely a viable alternative. I could find the color pigment and BW inksets but not the dye set. The note said coming soon for Claria printers. Maybe I was in the wrong place. Can you send me a URL link?
> 
> Will you clarify what you mean by "1 clean cycle"? I think it means using a set of carts with cleaning solution and running a head clean cycle. OR? Excuse my ignorance, I have not switched a full set of cartridges before. 
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Lynn
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Sonners wrote:
> >
> > what about inkjetmall.com. they have both pigment and dye based color and the the k6 b/w piezography inksets. I've used both the color pigment and the b/w on the 1430 and it only takes 1 clean cycle to switch between the different inksets. haven't tried the dye based version. it's very inexpensive. 
> > mark
> > On Jan 6, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Lynn wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello,I am looking for a printer that will allow me to print both good B
> > > as well as color. I have been printing with a 6 ink Canon i960 which
> > > does fine with color but unsatisfactory B--color casts, metamerism, etc.
> > > The Canon printer has been very reliable and maintenance free--no
> > > problems. My wife is the principal user of this printer. 
> > > I have followed with interest on this forum the work of Paul Roark and
> > > have read (several times!) his paper on printing B with an Epson
> > > 1400/1430 using QTR and the Epson Claria inkset. It seems this
> > > process produces very acceptable glossy B prints particularly with Red
> > > River Polar metallic paper. I feel this affordable approach
> > > would provide the quality I seek in B printing, at least for now,
> > > without committing to a dedicated B printer. I'm not looking for
> > > collector or museum quality here but just respectable quality for
> > > personal use. 
> > > But I have some questions and would be most grateful for any comments or
> > > suggestions: 1. Must the OEM Claria inkset be used or might a 3rd party
> > > inkset be acceptable, such as one from MIS Associates? The cost
> > > advantage with the MIS inks is substantial. 2. What about clogging
> > > issues? I've not used Epson printers but have read in the past this
> > > has been a problem. Maybe this only applies to pigment inks. 3.
> > > Are there other similar printer/workflows I should be researching that
> > > might apply?
> > > I appreciate any and all input. Thanks,Lynn 
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by Paul Roark

I would ignore glop.  I think with MIS pigments, where the base is glop to
start with, and the right papers no additional glop is needed.  So, you
could just swap the PK and avoid profiles that use glop.  (My memory is
that the Epson driver has that as an option, but I don't have that driver
installed any more to check it.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Paul <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:

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>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark wrote:
>
> > The colors are in the same family of inks as the MIS PK. So, you can swap
> > out the one cart and print color glossy.
>
> Thanks Paul, but wouldn't I have to swap out two MK carts, and replace one
> with PK and the other with GLOP?
>
>  
>


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[Digital BW] Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-07 by Paul

I just checked the Epson driver GUI... you're right, there's a gloss box and you can check it or leave it unchecked. So I guess that also answers my followup question, which was do I use the Epson driver or QTR. The Epson driver it is.

I'm not real keen on high gloss anyway. Back in the darkroom days my preferred finish was gloss FB paper dried on a fiberglass screen, then flattened in a drymount press. Gave me a nice semi-gloss surface.

Thanks, Paul.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark  wrote:
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> I would ignore glop.  I think with MIS pigments, where the base is glop to
> start with, and the right papers no additional glop is needed.  So, you
> could just swap the PK and avoid profiles that use glop.  (My memory is
> that the Epson driver has that as an option, but I don't have that driver
> installed any more to check it.)
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Paul  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark wrote:
> >
> > > The colors are in the same family of inks as the MIS PK. So, you can swap
> > > out the one cart and print color glossy.
> >
> > Thanks Paul, but wouldn't I have to swap out two MK carts, and replace one
> > with PK and the other with GLOP?
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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>

Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-10 by Lynn

Yes, I agree with you.  I have ordered the 1430 and MIS color refill kit and will start with black-only first.  If I am not satisfied with the quality of the BW I can always shift to a full black refill ink set--to be decided.  

In my darkroom days I always liked the gritty, grainy street look of the Tri-X prints that several photographers have said that black-only prints remind them of.  So I'm hopeful it might a good fit-at least a good start point. 

I've read Paul's work--in fact his papers got me started on this whole trip.  I also appreciate knowing about your blog and the info on BW/1400.  I did a quick read and suspect it will be a good how-to source. 
 Thanks for all your input.
Lynn

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "remononaz1"  wrote:
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> Looks like you are ready for an Epson 1430; good, cheap and prints black and white or color brilliantly. Paul Roark has developed several black-only strategies and the materials are all available at MIS. MIS' color inks are good, too, though they fade faster than Claria inks. 
> 
> My suggestions is get a printer and order both black and white and color refill kits from MIS. Put the Claria inks in a drawer and save them until you need to use them for some really special prints. You will be happy with the MIS inks an won't spend a fortune on Claria color inks. 
> 
> I have more information on basic black and white printing on the 1400 at www.remononaz.blogspot.com. Paul is the go-to source for the details on the different black-only inks. http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn"  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,I am looking for a printer that will allow me to print both good B
> > as well as color.  I have been printing with a 6 ink Canon i960 which
> > does fine with color but unsatisfactory B--color casts, metamerism, etc.
> > The Canon printer has been very reliable and maintenance free--no
> > problems.  My wife is the principal user of this printer.  
> > I have followed with interest on this forum the work of Paul Roark and
> > have read (several times!) his paper on printing B with an Epson
> > 1400/1430 using QTR and the Epson Claria inkset.  It seems this
> > process produces very acceptable glossy B prints particularly with Red
> > River Polar metallic paper.  I feel this affordable  approach
> > would provide the quality I seek in B printing, at least for now,
> > without committing to a dedicated B printer.  I'm not looking for
> > collector or museum quality here but just respectable quality for
> > personal use.  
> > But I have some questions and would be most grateful for any comments or
> > suggestions: 1. Must the OEM Claria inkset be used or might a 3rd party
> > inkset be acceptable, such as one from MIS Associates?  The cost
> > advantage with the MIS inks is substantial.  2. What about clogging
> > issues?  I've not used Epson printers but have read in the past this
> > has been a problem.  Maybe this only applies to pigment inks.  3.
> > Are there other similar printer/workflows I should be researching that
> > might apply?
> > I appreciate any and all input.  Thanks,Lynn 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-11 by Robert Fletcher

Lynn, I have really found your posts interesting especially with what 
you are trying to achieve as this is my goal. I am prepared to try and 
give a dedicated machine I go rather than swapping inks around. You're 
mentioning of the Tri-X film brought back a lot of memories. I was 
always in Ilford person and still will occasionally shoot a roll of FP4.

There is one thing that digital printing will never replace and that is 
the excitement in the darkroom of watching an image develope slowly 
enough to make you wonder if you are of achieve the results you are 
looking for. There is no excitement in watching a printer print and 
image, best to go and a cup of coffee.

Keep up the posts as I be very interested to see how things go for you 
because there are some parallels in my situation. What I wanted was just 
a printout drafts that did not have a color cast but now I'm looking at 
the primary result of a digital printer. I have not found any 
photographers locally that use dedicated black-and-white printers so 
possibly this could be a reason why I don't quite like the look of their 
image as compared to gelatin/silver.

Robert...
On 10/01/2013 20:00, Lynn wrote:
>
> Yes, I agree with you. I have ordered the 1430 and MIS color refill 
> kit and will start with black-only first. If I am not satisfied with 
> the quality of the BW I can always shift to a full black refill ink 
> set--to be decided.
>
> In my darkroom days I always liked the gritty, grainy street look of 
> the Tri-X prints that several photographers have said that black-only 
> prints remind them of. So I'm hopeful it might a good fit-at least a 
> good start point.
>
> I've read Paul's work--in fact his papers got me started on this whole 
> trip. I also appreciate knowing about your blog and the info on 
> BW/1400. I did a quick read and suspect it will be a good how-to source.
> Thanks for all your input.
> Lynn
>



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Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-11 by remononaz1

Good luck with the printer. The 1430 is certainly a steal right now the $50 rebate and 15% discount available.

You may find it frustrating to try and get good black and white prints using the color ink set. Don't bog down too much in that effort. Spring for one of the Eboni sets Paul has developed and get on with it. The Eboni-6 is excellent for matte surface prints and the UT14 will do both matte and glossy surfaces. 

You will be facing a bit of a learning curve, getting a handle on loading your own inks and controlling the process, but there is plenty of support here. I have no doubt you are going to like what you can do. 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn"  wrote:
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>
> Yes, I agree with you.  I have ordered the 1430 and MIS color refill kit and will start with black-only first.  If I am not satisfied with the quality of the BW I can always shift to a full black refill ink set--to be decided.  
> 
> In my darkroom days I always liked the gritty, grainy street look of the Tri-X prints that several photographers have said that black-only prints remind them of.  So I'm hopeful it might a good fit-at least a good start point. 
> 
> I've read Paul's work--in fact his papers got me started on this whole trip.  I also appreciate knowing about your blog and the info on BW/1400.  I did a quick read and suspect it will be a good how-to source. 
>  Thanks for all your input.
> Lynn
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "remononaz1"  wrote:
> >
> > Looks like you are ready for an Epson 1430; good, cheap and prints black and white or color brilliantly. Paul Roark has developed several black-only strategies and the materials are all available at MIS. MIS' color inks are good, too, though they fade faster than Claria inks. 
> > 
> > My suggestions is get a printer and order both black and white and color refill kits from MIS. Put the Claria inks in a drawer and save them until you need to use them for some really special prints. You will be happy with the MIS inks an won't spend a fortune on Claria color inks. 
> > 
> > I have more information on basic black and white printing on the 1400 at www.remononaz.blogspot.com. Paul is the go-to source for the details on the different black-only inks. http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/.
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,I am looking for a printer that will allow me to print both good B
> > > as well as color.  I have been printing with a 6 ink Canon i960 which
> > > does fine with color but unsatisfactory B--color casts, metamerism, etc.
> > > The Canon printer has been very reliable and maintenance free--no
> > > problems.  My wife is the principal user of this printer.  
> > > I have followed with interest on this forum the work of Paul Roark and
> > > have read (several times!) his paper on printing B with an Epson
> > > 1400/1430 using QTR and the Epson Claria inkset.  It seems this
> > > process produces very acceptable glossy B prints particularly with Red
> > > River Polar metallic paper.  I feel this affordable  approach
> > > would provide the quality I seek in B printing, at least for now,
> > > without committing to a dedicated B printer.  I'm not looking for
> > > collector or museum quality here but just respectable quality for
> > > personal use.  
> > > But I have some questions and would be most grateful for any comments or
> > > suggestions: 1. Must the OEM Claria inkset be used or might a 3rd party
> > > inkset be acceptable, such as one from MIS Associates?  The cost
> > > advantage with the MIS inks is substantial.  2. What about clogging
> > > issues?  I've not used Epson printers but have read in the past this
> > > has been a problem.  Maybe this only applies to pigment inks.  3.
> > > Are there other similar printer/workflows I should be researching that
> > > might apply?
> > > I appreciate any and all input.  Thanks,Lynn 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Re: B&W and Color with one printer?

2013-01-11 by Jacques Caron

Hi
I followed Lynn and bought a 1430 plus the EB-6 kit; as I don't ned any color work, i'll got straight to the full B&W kit.

Since I've read for more than a year all the posts, I think I'm ready to do my own experimentation. I did B&W darkroom works for more than 35 years (I still do but only with large format) and I can't wait to see my results with this combination.

In trouble… i'll write back for sure.


Jacques Caron
Photographe
jacques.caron@...

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