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2004-04-20 by oldguydrummer
From Yamaha: The pads/modules are in the warehouse, but Yamaha is still waiting on the racks to arrive, in the next day or so. When the racks come in, the kits will be going out. The bulk of the Dtxtreme IIS will be going to Guitar Centers. So if you purchase from someone else, you still may have a wait. (Don't shoot the messenger.) OGD
2004-04-20 by Dan Cheak
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> wrote: > From Yamaha: > > The pads/modules are in the warehouse, but Yamaha is still waiting on > the racks to arrive, in the next day or so. When the racks come in, > the kits will be going out. The bulk of the Dtxtreme IIS will be > going to Guitar Centers. So if you purchase from someone else, you > still may have a wait. > > (Don't shoot the messenger.) > > OGD Wow, that "possesses a foul odor"!!! Lets put a bunch of them on shelves when there are a bunch of "paid" customers waiting!! I know its big bucks & contracts and politics, etc.etc. and I'll eventually get mine....(where's that crying smiley) Sorry! just venting! My family's staying with neighbors and my cat ran away...I'm just fine......
2004-04-20 by emf
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Cheak" <cheak@i...> wrote: > Wow, that "possesses a foul odor"!!! Lets put a bunch of them on > shelves when there are a bunch of "paid" customers waiting!! I know > its big bucks & contracts and politics, etc.etc. and I'll eventually > get mine....(where's that crying smiley) > Sorry! just venting! My family's staying with neighbors and my cat > ran away...I'm just fine...... Yeah, it's a shame. But GC has long tentacles that can dispense a lot of product. In this case, however, their refusal to show the DTXpress IIISP, which is much more interesting than the standard version of the kit, should make them liable to some kind of punishment. Unfortunately, in the face of the Roland juggernaut, Yamaha may need GC more than GC needs Yamaha, if only so far as e-drums are concerned. The upside about complaints from people who already paid for the kit on the web and have to wait is that maybe the situation with Yamaha electronic drums will eventually change for the better. Cold comfort, I realize. Early adopters always seem to get screwed in one way or another, despite good intentions. But I put my money on Yamaha's management; they have always been honest and accessible. Ed
2004-04-20 by Dan Cheak
--- away...I'm just fine...... > > Yeah, it's a shame. But GC has long tentacles that can dispense a lot > of product. In this case, however, their refusal to show the DTXpress > IIISP, which is much more interesting than the standard version of > the kit, should make them liable to some kind of punishment. > Unfortunately, in the face of the Roland juggernaut, Yamaha may need > GC more than GC needs Yamaha, if only so far as e-drums are > concerned. The upside about complaints from people who already paid > for the kit on the web and have to wait is that maybe the situation > with Yamaha electronic drums will eventually change for the better. > Cold comfort, I realize. Early adopters always seem to get screwed in > one way or another, despite good intentions. But I put my money on > Yamaha's management; they have always been honest and accessible. > > Ed Very well spoken, Ed! Actually, my "complaint" was 75% impatience/excitement, 5% disdain for monopolizers, and 20% in defense of the "little guy". we have to expect companies to make good BUSINESS decisions, and we can't discount the hard work and ingenuity which rewards the Rolands and GC's of the world with controlling advantages. And we all know this going in. I support the little guys when I can and understand the consequences either way. I hold no grudges with anyone in this case..I'm just blowing off cause I'm coming out of my skin in anticipation!!!!! Thanks for the reality check! Dan
2004-04-20 by emf
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Cheak" <cheak@i...> wrote: > Very well spoken, Ed! > Actually, my "complaint" was 75% impatience/excitement, 5% disdain > for monopolizers, and 20% in defense of the "little guy". we have to > expect companies to make good BUSINESS decisions, and we can't > discount the hard work and ingenuity which rewards the Rolands and > GC's of the world with controlling advantages. And we all know this > going in. I support the little guys when I can and understand the > consequences either way. I hold no grudges with anyone in this > case..I'm just blowing off cause I'm coming out of my skin in > anticipation!!!!! > Thanks for the reality check! Actually, Dan, you seemed remarkably civilized under the circumstances. I hate waiting for anything once I buy it, even when I know about the wait from the outset.
2004-04-20 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
From: liberatusvirus@... <mailto:liberatusvirus@...> ] " Actually, Dan, you seemed remarkably civilized under the circumstances. I hate waiting for anything once I buy it, even when I know about the wait from the outset. " I hate waiting as well. That's why I waited until the local GC actually had them in stock at the local store before I bought my original DtxpressII. I will also wait until they physically have one at the local store that I can buy and take home the same day. I hate ordering something and not knowing when it will come in and simply refuse to do it. OGD ************************************************************************** The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________
2004-04-20 by Dan Cheak
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > > From: liberatusvirus@y... <mailto:liberatusvirus@y...> ] > > > " Actually, Dan, you seemed remarkably civilized under the > circumstances. I hate waiting for anything once I buy it, even when I > know about the wait from the outset. " > > > I hate waiting as well. That's why I waited until the local GC actually had > them in stock at the local store before I bought my original DtxpressII. I > will also wait until they physically have one at the local store that I can > buy and take home the same day. I hate ordering something and not knowing > when it will come in and simply refuse to do it. > > OGD Ed/ OGD Honestly, this was the 1st( and I fear LAST) time I've done this! After much thought and many questions, I made the decision to TRUST that I will love the DTXIIS( and I was concerned about non-mesh pads). I NEVER buy things "sight unseen", and I too HATE TO WAIT!!! I'm truly finding how age effects patience! All I can say is that the price was definitely worth waiting a little longer. After all, once I have it , all of the agony of waiting is forgotten!!! Thanks, guys, for at least temporarily making me feel a little better Dan > > > > ********************************************************************* ***** > The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only > for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader > of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other > use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. > > > _____________________________________________________________________ _ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > _____________________________________________________________________ _
2004-04-20 by rdamon@mckinney-usa.com
Dan, You could always download a picture of the kit and the manuals and print them out and place them by your headboard at night. I have access to a large format plotter, so if I needed a fix and get tired of it not showing up at the local GC, I can always print a full size photo of the kit and place it in the corner of the room where it will eventually sit. ; ) OGD _____
From: Dan Cheak [mailto:cheak@...] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:56 PM To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Dtxtreme IIS update --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > > From: liberatusvirus@y... <mailto:liberatusvirus@y...> ] > > > " Actually, Dan, you seemed remarkably civilized under the > circumstances. I hate waiting for anything once I buy it, even when I > know about the wait from the outset. " > > > I hate waiting as well. That's why I waited until the local GC actually had > them in stock at the local store before I bought my original DtxpressII. I > will also wait until they physically have one at the local store that I can > buy and take home the same day. I hate ordering something and not knowing > when it will come in and simply refuse to do it. > > OGD Ed/ OGD Honestly, this was the 1st( and I fear LAST) time I've done this! After much thought and many questions, I made the decision to TRUST that I will love the DTXIIS( and I was concerned about non-mesh pads). I NEVER buy things "sight unseen", and I too HATE TO WAIT!!! I'm truly finding how age effects patience! All I can say is that the price was definitely worth waiting a little longer. After all, once I have it , all of the agony of waiting is forgotten!!! Thanks, guys, for at least temporarily making me feel a little better Dan > > > > ********************************************************************* ***** > The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only > for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader > of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other > use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. > > > _____________________________________________________________________ _ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email <http://www.messagelabs.com/email> > _____________________________________________________________________ _ Community email addresses: Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress> Alternate DTXpress site: http://www.dtxpressions.com <http://www.dtxpressions.com> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/ <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ************************************************************************** The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________
2004-04-20 by Dan Cheak
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote: > Dan, > > You could always download a picture of the kit and the manuals and print > them out and place them by your headboard at night. I have access to a large > format plotter, so if I needed a fix and get tired of it not showing up at > the local GC, I can always print a full size photo of the kit and place it > in the corner of the room where it will eventually sit. ; ) > > > OGD EXCELLENT !!!....errr... just one condition: can you also print up a full size photo of my WIFE (who would surely have left me by then)to put next to me where SHE USED TO BE ??? > > _____ > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > ***** > > The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information > intended only > > for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If > the reader > > of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that > > any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying > or other > > use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information > is > > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, > > please contact the sender and delete the material from your > computer. > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > _ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security > System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > <http://www.messagelabs.com/email> > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > _ > > > > Community email addresses: > Post message: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DTXpress-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DTXpress-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress> > > Alternate DTXpress site: > http://www.dtxpressions.com <http://www.dtxpressions.com> > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/ > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DTXpress/> > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DTXpress-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ _ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > _____________________________________________________________________ _ > > > ********************************************************************* ***** > The information transmitted herewith is sensitive information intended only > for use to the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader > of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, copying or other > use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. > > > _____________________________________________________________________ _ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > _____________________________________________________________________ _
2004-04-20 by feefer2
> Actually, my "complaint" was 75% impatience/excitement, 5% disdain > for monopolizers, and 20% in defense of the "little guy". we have to > expect companies to make good BUSINESS decisions, and we can't > discount the hard work and ingenuity which rewards the Rolands and > GC's of the world with controlling advantages. And we all know this > going in. I support the little guys when I can and understand the > consequences either way. I hold no grudges with anyone in this > case..I'm just blowing off cause I'm coming out of my skin in > anticipation!!!!! > Thanks for the reality check! > Dan Hi all, We had an interesting discussion recently (a thread called "Fun Roland Facts") at VDrums.com where it came out that Yamaha's music division is STILL a much larger operation than Roland (in terms of employees, revenue, etc.). http://vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14775 Roland is moreso in the 'underdog' position when you look at the bigger picture of all musical instruments. However, when you're talking e-drums alone, Roland seems to currently enjoy the market leader position for e-drums. Thus drummers tend to get a skewed perspective of the Roland "monopoly". Chris
2004-04-20 by Vernon Graner
rdamon@... said: > Dan, > You could always download a picture of the kit and the manuals and print > them out In days of yore...., when I was but a broke musician (as opposed to now as a broke bloke, Married with children and all that!), I used to go to place like Guitar Center and get all depressed looking at all the neat new toys I could never afford to buy. So, I came up with a neat little trick that might be helpful for those of you who (like me!) don't get to particiapte in the "ugrade" frenzy the new kits are spawning... :) Go down to your local music store and find the big rack where they keep all the brochures for gear. The glossy, glitzy advertizing flyers and spec sheets are usually all in a big cabinet, arranged for easy access. Go through and get the brochure for every piece of equipment (and software) that YOU ALREADY OWN. If you can't find them there, then go to your trusty computer, hit GOOGLE, and type in the model #'s and the keyword "PDF" or "REVIEW". This will usually get you links to manuals or reviews of the hardware. Take these home and read through them and see if you don't get excited about what you *already* have and maybe explore some of the things you might have forgotten about or were meaning to try. Don't want to sound too preachy here, but the "count your blessings" approach can ward off the "gee I wish" blues... ;) Vern PS: I think I'll head to GC and take a dose of my own medicine... :( -- Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE | "If the network is down, then you're Senior Systems Engineer | obviously incompetent so why are we Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the network http://www.txis.com | is up, then we obviously don't need Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" \ufffdVLG
2004-04-21 by Dan Cheak
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "feefer2" <feefer2@y...> wrote: > > Actually, my "complaint" was 75% impatience/excitement, 5% disdain > > for monopolizers, and 20% in defense of the "little guy". we have to > > expect companies to make good BUSINESS decisions, and we can't > > discount the hard work and ingenuity which rewards the Rolands and > > GC's of the world with controlling advantages. And we all know this > > going in. I support the little guys when I can and understand the > > consequences either way. I hold no grudges with anyone in this > > case..I'm just blowing off cause I'm coming out of my skin in > > anticipation!!!!! > > Thanks for the reality check! > > Dan > > Hi all, > > We had an interesting discussion recently (a thread called "Fun Roland Facts") at VDrums.com where it came out that Yamaha's music division is STILL a much larger operation than Roland (in terms of employees, revenue, etc.). > > http://vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14775 > > Roland is moreso in the 'underdog' position when you look at the bigger picture of all musical instruments. However, when you're talking e-drums alone, Roland seems to currently enjoy the market leader position for e-drums. Thus drummers tend to get a skewed perspective of the Roland "monopoly". > > Chris Whew! That thread was a little rough! Nothing like a little competitive jousting.hehe! Actually, it was MY poor writing skills that misled you as to my intentions. I should not have included Roland in my "little guy/ big guy" rant , as I was really referring to the retailers. The Ma&Pa's can't generate the $$$, and so they and their cusyomers deal with the consequences. I wouldn't begin to know enough about the manufacturers to comment on their relative sizes. Roland seems to hold the edge in e-drums..and for good reason. But there are good companies that will keep them from resting...that's what makes it work for us. I doubt that my DTXIIS will be half-arsed. It may not be for everyone, but who's one product is? Let's just hope we can create enough interest to make it worthwhile for ALL of these companies to invest whatever it takes to make us ALL happy. P.S. loved the pics and demos Dan
2004-04-21 by Dan Cheak
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner" <vern@t...> wrote: > rdamon@m... said: > > Dan, > > You could always download a picture of the kit and the manuals and print > > them out > > In days of yore...., when I was but a broke musician (as opposed to now > as a broke bloke, Married with children and all that!), I used to go to > place like Guitar Center and get all depressed looking at all the neat > new toys I could never afford to buy. So, I came up with a neat little > trick that might be helpful for those of you who (like me!) don't get to > particiapte in the "ugrade" frenzy the new kits are spawning... :) > > Go down to your local music store and find the big rack where they keep > all the brochures for gear. The glossy, glitzy advertizing flyers and > spec sheets are usually all in a big cabinet, arranged for easy access. > Go through and get the brochure for every piece of equipment (and > software) that YOU ALREADY OWN. > > If you can't find them there, then go to your trusty computer, hit > GOOGLE, and type in the model #'s and the keyword "PDF" or "REVIEW". This > will usually get you links to manuals or reviews of the hardware. > > Take these home and read through them and see if you don't get excited > about what you *already* have and maybe explore some of the things you > might have forgotten about or were meaning to try. Don't want to sound > too preachy here, but the "count your blessings" approach can ward off > the "gee I wish" blues... ;) > > Vern > > PS: I think I'll head to GC and take a dose of my own medicine... : ( > That was my problem, Vern...I DIDN'T OWN ANYTHING ANYMORE!!!! When my kit comes in, I'll then be broke, married w/ kids(oh! yeah, and OLD) and I promise to follow your advice! I like your thinking! Dan
> -- > Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE | "If the network is down, then you're > Senior Systems Engineer | obviously incompetent so why are we > Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the network > http://www.txis.com | is up, then we obviously don't need > Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" ©VLG
2004-04-21 by Rob
I have a serious problem, I have too many hobbies.... motocross, radio controlled planes helis & cars, DTxpress II, all the audio and video, and now a new one astronomy... I just had to have that big ole telescope. Not a dime in the bank... kinda scary, but hey, I'm never bored. I go into peoples homes everyday with my work, some of these people are loaded, but they don't have ONE hobby, nothing in the garage, no entertainment. I once had a girlfriend who's dad "ironed his money" They just worked hard all their lives, and now they don't know what to do with all the money, then they die and their kids blow it all. I say..... if there is something you really want, then by all means do everything you can to aquire it (without stealing it), don't buy it new, 1/2 to a 1/3 off for nearly new anyday. You only live once and its not long enough. Enjoy Rob > > > Dan, > > > You could always download a picture of the kit and the manuals > and print > > > them out > > > > In days of yore...., when I was but a broke musician (as opposed > to now > > as a broke bloke, Married with children and all that!), I used to > go to > > place like Guitar Center and get all depressed looking at all the > neat > > new toys I could never afford to buy. So, I came up with a neat > little > > trick that might be helpful for those of you who (like me!) don't > get to > > particiapte in the "ugrade" frenzy the new kits are spawning... :) > > > > Go down to your local music store and find the big rack where they > keep > > all the brochures for gear. The glossy, glitzy advertizing flyers > and > > spec sheets are usually all in a big cabinet, arranged for easy > access. > > Go through and get the brochure for every piece of equipment (and > > software) that YOU ALREADY OWN. > > > > If you can't find them there, then go to your trusty computer, hit > > GOOGLE, and type in the model #'s and the keyword "PDF" > or "REVIEW". This > > will usually get you links to manuals or reviews of the hardware. > > > > Take these home and read through them and see if you don't get > excited > > about what you *already* have and maybe explore some of the things > you > > might have forgotten about or were meaning to try. Don't want to > sound > > too preachy here, but the "count your blessings" approach can ward > off > > the "gee I wish" blues... ;) > > > > Vern > > > > PS: I think I'll head to GC and take a dose of my own medicine... :
> ( > > > > > That was my problem, Vern...I DIDN'T OWN ANYTHING ANYMORE!!!! > When my kit comes in, I'll then be broke, married w/ kids(oh! yeah, > and OLD) and I promise to follow your advice! > I like your thinking! > Dan > > -- > > Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE | "If the network is down, then you're > > Senior Systems Engineer | obviously incompetent so why are we > > Texas Information Services | paying you? Of course, if the network > > http://www.txis.com | is up, then we obviously don't need > > Austin Office 512 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" ©VLG