Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

To all. again my sincere appologies for this mess that I didn't know 
I was even in.. I NEVER would have let things get out of control like 
this.. I really had no idea whatsoever that I had been "set up" 
(double meaning) as a moderator of the group.
I have given that privledge to liberatusvirus.  I certainly do hope 
that this will help to clear things up for the group.
I hope all will understand the mess I found myself in here and 
forgive me for my ignorance to the situation. 
I hope to continue being a member of the group (if you'll have me).  
I have learned much about the kit we all know and love.

Regards to all,
Rolf Baehr

The Moderator is Dead! Long Live the moderator!! :D

Vern

<obligatory python quote>

And there was much rejoicing.... :::yay:::

</obligatory python quote>

So, who's bringing the lambs, and the sloths, and the orangutangs, and
the breakfast cereals?

-- 
Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE     | "If the network is down, then you're
Senior Systems Engineer     | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services  | paying you? Of course, if the network
vern@... www.txis.com  | is up, then we obviously don't need
Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG



rolf_baehr said:

> To all. again my sincere appologies for this mess that I didn't know
> I was even in.. I NEVER would have let things get out of control like
> this.. I really had no idea whatsoever that I had been "set up"
> (double meaning) as a moderator of the group.
> I have given that privledge to liberatusvirus.  I certainly do hope
> that this will help to clear things up for the group.
> I hope all will understand the mess I found myself in here and
> forgive me for my ignorance to the situation.
> I hope to continue being a member of the group (if you'll have me).
> I have learned much about the kit we all know and love.
>
> Regards to all,
> Rolf Baehr
>
>
>
> Community email addresses:
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>   Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
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>   List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Rolf:

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for doing this for us.  So now, we can 
preserve this group and keep it going.

Thanks!
Stephanie

I have given that privledge to liberatusvirus. 



Excellent!!!!! Good choice.

So now is the next step to move to a restricted membership? 

Also, can more than one moderator be assigned? So, if both of you go 
on holiday or vacation at the same time, that someone is left to 
watch the store?

OldGuyDrummer

Rolf and everybody,

I'm happy to do this job. I spend a lot of time within hailing 
distance of a computer, and I'm enormously fond of this group. But I 
humbly submit that the moderator role should be at least a 
triumvirate. Since it doesn't involve forcing anyone into battle or 
legislating either taxes or morality (beyond deleting spam), I humbly 
submit that we take care of the business right here and now. To my 
mind, if no one is uncomfortable with me sweeping up after hours or 
putting a broom in other peoples' hands, Vern and Old Guy have scads 
of valuable information, gumption, and good will to offer. Are you 
two available? I have no doubt that other people would the job aa 
well as we could (Jade, I'm assuming that work shifts would get in 
the way; Stewart, you have the good fortune of being on holiday at 
the moment; Stephen, UNH, Roger, et al.) We, however, have the 
apparent advantage of being here a lot. I think that between the 
three of us, we could keep the site running smoothly so that we can 
eliminate the extraneous hitches and start concentrating on the 
group's common interest. 

What do you say, everyone? Vern, OGD, and me for the time being?

Ed

Happy to help share the load if you want to assign me in whatever role. I
have a support-type job so I'm pretty much at the keyboard all day.. :)

Vern

-- 
Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE     | "If the network is down, then you're
Senior Systems Engineer     | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services  | paying you? Of course, if the network
vern@... www.txis.com  | is up, then we obviously don't need
Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG



liberatusvirus said:

> Rolf and everybody,
>
> I'm happy to do this job. I spend a lot of time within hailing
> distance of a computer, and I'm enormously fond of this group. But I
> humbly submit that the moderator role should be at least a
> triumvirate. Since it doesn't involve forcing anyone into battle or
> legislating either taxes or morality (beyond deleting spam), I humbly
> submit that we take care of the business right here and now. To my
> mind, if no one is uncomfortable with me sweeping up after hours or
> putting a broom in other peoples' hands, Vern and Old Guy have scads
> of valuable information, gumption, and good will to offer. Are you
> two available? I have no doubt that other people would the job aa
> well as we could (Jade, I'm assuming that work shifts would get in
> the way; Stewart, you have the good fortune of being on holiday at
> the moment; Stephen, UNH, Roger, et al.) We, however, have the
> apparent advantage of being here a lot. I think that between the
> three of us, we could keep the site running smoothly so that we can
> eliminate the extraneous hitches and start concentrating on the
> group's common interest.
>
> What do you say, everyone? Vern, OGD, and me for the time being?
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> Community email addresses:
>   Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
>   Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
>   Unsubscribe:  DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>   List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Ed, wrote: "What do you say, everyone? Vern, OGD, and me for the time
being?"


I would be more than happy to help. This is truely a wonderful group, with a
wonderful group of people and I would be more than happy to help in anyway
to keep it going.

OldGuyDrummer
> 
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Okay, Vern and OGD, your fates are sealed. You have just been 
installed as moderators with all privileges. One way or another we 
should confer on the advisability of restricted membership. If I 
remember correctly, OGD had some good reasons not to install it, but 
Zilla finds that it works for him. Should we put it to a vote, wait 
to see whether we're quick enough to catch the bad posts and members, 
or add it immediately?

Ed

Got my vote!

Brett


--- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Rolf and everybody,
> 
> I'm happy to do this job. I spend a lot of time
> within hailing 
> distance of a computer, and I'm enormously fond of
> this group. But I 
> humbly submit that the moderator role should be at
> least a 
> triumvirate. Since it doesn't involve forcing anyone
> into battle or 
> legislating either taxes or morality (beyond
> deleting spam), I humbly 
> submit that we take care of the business right here
> and now. To my 
> mind, if no one is uncomfortable with me sweeping up
> after hours or 
> putting a broom in other peoples' hands, Vern and
> Old Guy have scads 
> of valuable information, gumption, and good will to
> offer. Are you 
> two available? I have no doubt that other people
> would the job aa 
> well as we could (Jade, I'm assuming that work
> shifts would get in 
> the way; Stewart, you have the good fortune of being
> on holiday at 
> the moment; Stephen, UNH, Roger, et al.) We,
> however, have the 
> apparent advantage of being here a lot. I think that
> between the 
> three of us, we could keep the site running smoothly
> so that we can 
> eliminate the extraneous hitches and start
> concentrating on the 
> group's common interest. 
> 
> What do you say, everyone? Vern, OGD, and me for the
> time being?
> 
> Ed
> 
> 


=====

Vote Quimby!

Well. *First* thing to do is kill off the membership of the idiot that
keeps spamming the group... I think I may have the messages archived,
I'll go look...

MUWAHHH HAH HA HA! I AM MODERATOR! BOW BEFORE ME MORTALS!! ::ack:: erp...
uh.. sorry.. got carried away there.... :D

Vern

-- 
Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE     | "If the network is down, then you're
Senior Systems Engineer     | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services  | paying you? Of course, if the network
vern@... www.txis.com  | is up, then we obviously don't need
Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG



liberatusvirus said:

> Okay, Vern and OGD, your fates are sealed. You have just been
> installed as moderators with all privileges. One way or another we
> should confer on the advisability of restricted membership. If I
> remember correctly, OGD had some good reasons not to install it, but
> Zilla finds that it works for him. Should we put it to a vote, wait
> to see whether we're quick enough to catch the bad posts and members,
> or add it immediately?
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
> Community email addresses:
>   Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
>   Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
>   Unsubscribe:  DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>   List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

workitfromallangles11@... HAS BEEN REMOVED.


Ha.

The power! oooo the power! I think i feel something tingling.. of course,
I could just have a ground reversed on my power amp... :P

-- 
Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE     | "If the network is down, then you're
Senior Systems Engineer     | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services  | paying you? Of course, if the network
vern@... www.txis.com  | is up, then we obviously don't need
Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG



Vernon Graner said:

> Well. *First* thing to do is kill off the membership of the idiot that
> keeps spamming the group... I think I may have the messages archived,
> I'll go look...
>
> MUWAHHH HAH HA HA! I AM MODERATOR! BOW BEFORE ME MORTALS!! ::ack:: erp...
> uh.. sorry.. got carried away there.... :D
>
> Vern
>
> --
> Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE     | "If the network is down, then you're
> Senior Systems Engineer     | obviously incompetent so why are we
> Texas Information Services  | paying you? Of course, if the network
> vern@... www.txis.com  | is up, then we obviously don't need
> Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG
>
>
>
> liberatusvirus said:
>> Okay, Vern and OGD, your fates are sealed. You have just been
>> installed as moderators with all privileges. One way or another we
>> should confer on the advisability of restricted membership. If I
>> remember correctly, OGD had some good reasons not to install it, but
>> Zilla finds that it works for him. Should we put it to a vote, wait
>> to see whether we're quick enough to catch the bad posts and members,
>> or add it immediately?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Community email addresses:
>>   Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
>>   Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
>>   Unsubscribe:  DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>>   List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
>>
>> Shortcut URL to this page:
>>   http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Community email addresses:
>   Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
>   Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
>   Unsubscribe:  DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>   List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

I think closed is good. I like knowing who I'm talking to! :)

BTW.. deal_wit_mypusse13@... IS NOW REMOVED, AND BANNED. :)

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Senior Systems Engineer     | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services  | paying you? Of course, if the network
vern@... www.txis.com  | is up, then we obviously don't need
Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG



rdamon@... said:

> Ed,
>
> My first reaction is to put it to vote amoung the members. (I don't like
> being a dictator.) But consider the following:
>
> The non-members that come here will not have the ability to vote, unless
> they immediatly become members.
> The members that come here to read only and not post, are not likely to
> vote, because it will have only good results for them by getting rid of
> the
> porn/spam.
> The members that come here to read and post, have clearly voiced their
> opinions, "NO MORE SPAM/PORN".
> Unless someone is here 24hours/7days a week, we simply will not catch all
> the spam/porn, period.
>
> Since this discussion was started by the spam/porn that was appearing
> here,
> I would vote to go to a restricted membership. Anybody that goes out and
> buys a Dtxpress should have no real problem with joining here. If new
> poster
> start appearing and complaining about the restricted membership, then we
> can
> always go back to an open membership.
>
> OldGuyDrummer
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:	liberatusvirus [SMTP:liberatusvirus@...]
>> Sent:	Monday, August 04, 2003 6:02 PM
>> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Moderator has been asigned
>>
>> Okay, Vern and OGD, your fates are sealed. You have just been
>> installed as moderators with all privileges. One way or another we
>> should confer on the advisability of restricted membership. If I
>> remember correctly, OGD had some good reasons not to install it, but
>> Zilla finds that it works for him. Should we put it to a vote, wait
>> to see whether we're quick enough to catch the bad posts and members,
>> or add it immediately?
>>
>> Ed
>>
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Ed,

My first reaction is to put it to vote amoung the members. (I don't like
being a dictator.) But consider the following:

The non-members that come here will not have the ability to vote, unless
they immediatly become members.
The members that come here to read only and not post, are not likely to
vote, because it will have only good results for them by getting rid of the
porn/spam.
The members that come here to read and post, have clearly voiced their
opinions, "NO MORE SPAM/PORN".
Unless someone is here 24hours/7days a week, we simply will not catch all
the spam/porn, period.

Since this discussion was started by the spam/porn that was appearing here,
I would vote to go to a restricted membership. Anybody that goes out and
buys a Dtxpress should have no real problem with joining here. If new poster
start appearing and complaining about the restricted membership, then we can
always go back to an open membership.

OldGuyDrummer

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	liberatusvirus [SMTP:liberatusvirus@...]
> Sent:	Monday, August 04, 2003 6:02 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: Moderator has been asigned
> 
> Okay, Vern and OGD, your fates are sealed. You have just been 
> installed as moderators with all privileges. One way or another we 
> should confer on the advisability of restricted membership. If I 
> remember correctly, OGD had some good reasons not to install it, but 
> Zilla finds that it works for him. Should we put it to a vote, wait 
> to see whether we're quick enough to catch the bad posts and members, 
> or add it immediately?
> 
> Ed
> 
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> workitfromallangles11@... HAS BEEN REMOVED.
> 
> One thing that I noticed right away, was that a lot of the recent
> spam/porn posters have ended up on the bounced list. I think going through
> that list and removing the obvious spam/porn posters would be a good start
> in the right direction.
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liberatusvirus said:
> But we don't have to do it all at once.

Heh. Already killed two accounts, banned two spammers, changed the front
page picture to an actual picture of a DTXpress kit and then killed off a
file in our files section offering a low-cost VISA card! Just exploring
the interface to see what options I have.. fun! :)

-- 
Vern Graner CNE/CNA/SSE     | "If the network is down, then you're
Senior Systems Engineer     | obviously incompetent so why are we
Texas Information Services  | paying you? Of course, if the network
vern@... www.txis.com  | is up, then we obviously don't need
Cell 507-7851 Desk 328-8947 | you, so why are we paying you?" VLG

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
>> Since this discussion was started by the spam/porn that was 
appearing here,
> I would vote to go to a restricted membership. Anybody that goes 
out and
> buys a Dtxpress should have no real problem with joining here. If 
new poster
> start appearing and complaining about the restricted membership, 
then we can
> always go back to an open membership.

OGD,

I'm inclined to agree, since restricted membership doesn't make life 
hard for anyone except the bad guys. We'll lose a few window 
shoppers, but dedicated, fun-loving e-drummers like us won't 
hesitate. Besides, a group with at least a modicum of discipline 
builds character. Just joking. But, seriously, it promotes and 
reflects a certain responsibility to keep things cordial, clean, and 
germane. And nothing is etched in stone; we can change if necessary. 
Let's the three of us exercise this sort of maintenance freely, with 
the assumption that we're on the same page: We reject suspicious-
looking e-mail addresses and explicit spam/porn posts. Like Zilla's 
site, we won't accept advertising per se, though we will be open to 
group members who have relevant services to offer the rest of us, 
like used equipment, discounts on new equipment, etc. It should be 
relatively easy. We also should see to weeding out old or no longer 
relevant files and photos. But we don't have to do it all at once.

Ed

On Mon August 4 2003 5:34 pm, Vernon Graner wrote:
>  I think closed is good. I like knowing who I'm talking to! :)

It needs to remain closed, so that spammers wiwll have a hard time doing 
anything.  See, you can set a new member's posting ability to moderated, make 
sure they don't send spam.  When they do, All you have to do is ban/remove 
them, and nobody sees the stuff.  Once that person is proven to be a 
nonspammer, then you can change the posting status to unmoderated.

Stephanie

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Ellison <deafdrummer@a...> 
wrote:
> It needs to remain closed, so that spammers wiwll have a hard time 
doing 
> anything.  See, you can set a new member's posting ability to 
moderated, make 
> sure they don't send spam.  When they do, All you have to do is 
ban/remove 
> them, and nobody sees the stuff.  Once that person is proven to be 
a 
> nonspammer, then you can change the posting status to unmoderated.

Excellent, Steph.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Graner" <vern@t...> wrote:
> 
> liberatusvirus said:
> > But we don't have to do it all at once.
> 
> Heh. Already killed two accounts, banned two spammers, changed the 
front
> page picture to an actual picture of a DTXpress kit and then killed 
off a
> file in our files section offering a low-cost VISA card! Just 
exploring
> the interface to see what options I have.. fun! :)

I eliminated a few links--one from otacon, an old friend--but it's no 
longer operative. The other two were inoperative as well, and 
unlikely in the first place.

Ed, wrote: "What do you say, everyone? Vern, OGD, and me for the time
being?"

I can't think of a better group of suckers, er, folks to do the job!
Ha! Just kidding of course. 

Thanks, guys, for taking this over. I'm certain this will be a much 
better place to visit now. Don't get me wrong; it had been a very 
nice place until the spammers came in.

Vern, I'd like to applaud your effort to transfer this site to 
DTXpressions.com. The site is very nicely arranged I and feel that 
most of the posters on this forum would have transferred gladly if it 
weren't for the fear of losing our valuable archives and possible new 
members. Don't abandon the site, it will be a great resource for 
files, photos, et al, if we ever run into another space problem here.

Stephen

Restricted? I would say it isn't necessary with three moderators on 
board. Offensive posts could be promptly trashed.

The restricted listing on the YahooGroups directory may drive some 
otherwise valuable new posters away.

I had been aware of Zilla's site for quite some time before I ever 
signed up. 

I for one don't get a lot of time at the keyboard, and am just as 
soon to pass up a site if extra keystrokes are involved.

Stephen

Thanks so much, Rolf.  I'm so glad you responded to my e-mails to you 
& made contact with this group again.  The moderators the group has 
now will keep things straight from now on.

Re: Restricted Membership.  It really is no hassle whatsoever for the 
potential member.  All they do is hit the JOIN THIS GROUP button, 
same as always.  A prompt will pop up in the "Pending" area, and as 
soon as a moderator checks it out & thinks it's okay, he just 
approves the request.  BAM!...done.

If you moderate individual messages, that means that everything 
posted must be approved by a moderator.  When traffic's heavy that 
may be quite time consuming.  I like the restricted membership method 
better myself.

You can also, as previously suggested, moderate messages from newbies 
until they've proven themselves to be good citizens, then un-moderate 
them.

One more thing, as I roam around Yahoo groups, any time I see someone 
posting anything inappropriate, such as porn sites, I copy their e-
mail address to my banned list.  That way they can't join EVER & 
don't have to be messed with even once.

So glad you guys are up & running again.  Very pleased I could help.

Zilla

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "drumzilla" <bukama@n...> wrote:
> So glad you guys are up & running again.  Very pleased I could help.

Zilla,

What can we say? We owe you.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> Restricted? I would say it isn't necessary with three moderators on 
> board. Offensive posts could be promptly trashed.

Stephen,

Duly noted. But see Zilla's latest post here. It might get awfully 
tiring policing all the messages, as opposed to checking ID's at the 
gate and watching the new posters for a while. Also, indirectly in 
favor of restricted membership is the poor response we've gotten 
lately in polls and posts that were really shameless pleas for a show 
of the silent majority's hands. Our completley unrestricted 
membership was unable get us a number of participants remotely close 
to the 730 people who belong at least nominally. I like the size of 
the membership. I feel strongly about protecting it, and swelling it 
if at all possible, but the small proportion of phantoms who might 
pass up this group because they can't read its messages without 
waiting for a membership confirmation might not be the right people 
to determine our general policy. How serious (well, serious for 
drummers) could they be? So far, restricted membership seems to be 
carrying the day, but let's keep monitoring the opinions.

Ed

For my $0.02, I think moderating newbies until they post a relevant
message or two would be ideal. It combines the best of both worlds,
offering an open forum for people browsing and for search engine
indexing, while allowing moderation of potentially bad users without the
work of moderating every message.

James

-----Original Message-----
From: drumzilla [mailto:bukama@...] 
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:13 PM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Moderators Assigned/Restricted Membership


Thanks so much, Rolf.  I'm so glad you responded to my e-mails to you 
& made contact with this group again.  The moderators the group has 
now will keep things straight from now on.

Re: Restricted Membership.  It really is no hassle whatsoever for the 
potential member.  All they do is hit the JOIN THIS GROUP button, 
same as always.  A prompt will pop up in the "Pending" area, and as 
soon as a moderator checks it out & thinks it's okay, he just 
approves the request.  BAM!...done.

If you moderate individual messages, that means that everything 
posted must be approved by a moderator.  When traffic's heavy that 
may be quite time consuming.  I like the restricted membership method 
better myself.

You can also, as previously suggested, moderate messages from newbies 
until they've proven themselves to be good citizens, then un-moderate 
them.

One more thing, as I roam around Yahoo groups, any time I see someone 
posting anything inappropriate, such as porn sites, I copy their e- mail
address to my banned list.  That way they can't join EVER & 
don't have to be messed with even once.

So glad you guys are up & running again.  Very pleased I could help.

Zilla



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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "James Willard" <james@w...> wrote:
> For my $0.02, I think moderating newbies until they post a relevant
> message or two would be ideal. It combines the best of both worlds,
> offering an open forum for people browsing and for search engine
> indexing, while allowing moderation of potentially bad users 
without the
> work of moderating every message.

James,

I've just enabled moderating of messages by new members. Let's see 
how that works for a while, or at least until Vern and OGD check 
back. If they want to continue the policy as an experiment, I'm 
willing. It's simply a matter of how much vigilance is necessary to 
get the job done. 

Ed

Ed wrote: "...What can we say? We owe you."

Not hardly, my friend.  We're drummers.  Helping each other out, 
supporting each other...that's what we do.

Ok, cool. It's always worth a shot to see if it works out alright. I'm
just hoping we can avoid making it a closed forum, because I know I
first discovered it through a Google search result that was a message
answering a question I had about my DTXPress. Anyway, I'm just glad to
have a moderator on the group again!

Peace out,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: liberatusvirus [mailto:liberatusvirus@...] 
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:49 PM
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Moderators Assigned/Restricted Membership


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "James Willard" <james@w...> wrote:
> For my $0.02, I think moderating newbies until they post a relevant 
> message or two would be ideal. It combines the best of both worlds, 
> offering an open forum for people browsing and for search engine 
> indexing, while allowing moderation of potentially bad users
without the
> work of moderating every message.

James,

I've just enabled moderating of messages by new members. Let's see 
how that works for a while, or at least until Vern and OGD check 
back. If they want to continue the policy as an experiment, I'm 
willing. It's simply a matter of how much vigilance is necessary to 
get the job done. 

Ed



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Wait a minute- where is the spam-pornography I have come to depend on every
morning? ;-}

Thank you one and all.

Explain please- how and why do we restrict?

happy Tuesday all

Creighton

-----Original Message-----
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To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DTXpress] Re: Moderator has been asigned


> workitfromallangles11@... HAS BEEN REMOVED.
>
> One thing that I noticed right away, was that a lot of the recent
> spam/porn posters have ended up on the bounced list. I think going through
> that list and removing the obvious spam/porn posters would be a good start
> in the right direction.
>
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> Wow!!!!!!!!!
> 
> I think this group has seen more posts in the past 12 hours, than it ever
> had in the same time frame from the groups beginning. Excellant!! The
> issue of the new Moderators, seems to have gotten a thumbs, thus far. The
> issue of restricted Membership is getting mixed reviews. 
> 
> I will go along with whatever the group wants, because this is not Verns,
> or Eds or my personal group, but everybodys group. That's what makes this
> place so special!! Many (Most) of you have clearly been here alot longer
> than I have and I have no intention of forcing my views onto this group. I
> just would like to see the porn issue disappear, and get back to e-drums
> issues.
> 
> So, let's hear from everybody. What do you want you group to be???
> 
> 
> Vern/Ed now that we (the moderators) have access to the members email
> address, we could over the coming weeks (offline, of course, starting at
> the top of the list) directly email members to see it they are in fact
> still active and read post from the group. This will get a more accurate
> head count of current members? 
> 
> Would anybody be offended by this??
> 
> OldGuyDrummer (Rob)
> 
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> > Vern/Ed now that we (the moderators) have access to the members 
email
> > address, we could over the coming weeks (offline, of course, 
starting at
> > the top of the list) directly email members to see it they are in 
fact
> > still active and read post from the group. This will get a more 
accurate
> > head count of current members? 
> > 
> > Would anybody be offended by this??

Rob and Vern,

Assuming that it didn't bother anyone, we could do send out offline 
mail, but what about issuing one last shameless plea on the board for 
a few days asking the silent members to stand up and be counted. 
Those who check in we can eliminate from our mailing list. Maybe no 
one would respond, but it might be worth a fairly brief try to save 
us a little work.

Ed

Ed wrote: "Assuming that it didn't bother anyone, we could do send 
out offline mail, but what about issuing one last shameless plea on 
the board for a few days asking the silent members to stand up and be 
counted..."

Ed:  As a moderator, you can mass mail everyone at once via 
a "Special Notice".  It overrides all members' selected e-mail 
delivery options.  That's why Yahoo cautions moderators to use this 
function wisely.

Also, you can set up files to be posted to the message board at 
regular intervals or when triggered by a specified event such as a 
member joining.  I have three of them set up as monthly reminders, 
plus one triggered by a new member's joining, and one triggered by a 
member's unsubscribing.  Pretty handy.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "drumzilla" <bukama@n...> wrote:
> Ed:  As a moderator, you can mass mail everyone at once via 
> a "Special Notice".  It overrides all members' selected e-mail 
> delivery options.  That's why Yahoo cautions moderators to use this 
> function wisely.
> 
> Also, you can set up files to be posted to the message board at 
> regular intervals or when triggered by a specified event such as a 
> member joining.  I have three of them set up as monthly reminders, 
> plus one triggered by a new member's joining, and one triggered by 
a 
> member's unsubscribing.  Pretty handy.

Thanks, Zilla. We may well end up taking one of those routes.

brown8700 said:
>
> Ed, wrote: "What do you say, everyone? Vern, OGD, and me for the time
> being?"
>
> I can't think of a better group of suckers, er, folks to do the job!
> Ha! Just kidding of course.
>
> Thanks, guys, for taking this over. I'm certain this will be a much
> better place to visit now. Don't get me wrong; it had been a very
> nice place until the spammers came in.
>
> Vern, I'd like to applaud your effort to transfer this site to
> DTXpressions.com. The site is very nicely arranged I and feel that
> most of the posters on this forum would have transferred gladly if it
> weren't for the fear of losing our valuable archives and possible new
> members. Don't abandon the site, it will be a great resource for
> files, photos, et al, if we ever run into another space problem here.
>
> Stephen

Thanks for the kind words... I have to admit the site is mostly the work
of Giles Hearn. :) I simply host it now. The big stumbling blocks to
moving over there seem to be the email-based posting and the archive of
old messages. The mail to list can be solved (there are a number of
solutions) but exporting the message base is tricky.

When I get the email to forum working, I'll sign up the dtxprtessions.com
forum as a member of the yahoo forum and have all the messages delivered
there. That way at least all new converstaions will be archive someplace
besides yahoo... :)

Vern

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I don't have a problem with that.  Fire away, and
count my head!

Brett


--- rdamon@... wrote:
> > Wow!!!!!!!!!
> > 
> > I think this group has seen more posts in the past
> 12 hours, than it ever
> > had in the same time frame from the groups
> beginning. Excellant!! The
> > issue of the new Moderators, seems to have gotten
> a thumbs, thus far. The
> > issue of restricted Membership is getting mixed
> reviews. 
> > 
> > I will go along with whatever the group wants,
> because this is not Verns,
> > or Eds or my personal group, but everybodys group.
> That's what makes this
> > place so special!! Many (Most) of you have clearly
> been here alot longer
> > than I have and I have no intention of forcing my
> views onto this group. I
> > just would like to see the porn issue disappear,
> and get back to e-drums
> > issues.
> > 
> > So, let's hear from everybody. What do you want
> you group to be???
> > 
> > 
> > Vern/Ed now that we (the moderators) have access
> to the members email
> > address, we could over the coming weeks (offline,
> of course, starting at
> > the top of the list) directly email members to see
> it they are in fact
> > still active and read post from the group. This
> will get a more accurate
> > head count of current members? 
> > 
> > Would anybody be offended by this??
> > 
> > OldGuyDrummer (Rob)
> > 
> >  
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Vote Quimby!

Ed....Catch me up on what's happening with the group. 
Had doubles to do and dealing with taking care of my
Dad's health issues (his back surgery was
cancelled-abnormal ekg).  Anything I can do to help
when I am off again this winter, I will be glad to
help.  Just let me know what is being decided.  I have
become a member of Vern's DTXpreaaions group also.
Be waiting to hear from ya buddie!
Jade
--- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Rolf and everybody,
> 
> I'm happy to do this job. I spend a lot of time
> within hailing 
> distance of a computer, and I'm enormously fond of
> this group. But I 
> humbly submit that the moderator role should be at
> least a 
> triumvirate. Since it doesn't involve forcing anyone
> into battle or 
> legislating either taxes or morality (beyond
> deleting spam), I humbly 
> submit that we take care of the business right here
> and now. To my 
> mind, if no one is uncomfortable with me sweeping up
> after hours or 
> putting a broom in other peoples' hands, Vern and
> Old Guy have scads 
> of valuable information, gumption, and good will to
> offer. Are you 
> two available? I have no doubt that other people
> would the job aa 
> well as we could (Jade, I'm assuming that work
> shifts would get in 
> the way; Stewart, you have the good fortune of being
> on holiday at 
> the moment; Stephen, UNH, Roger, et al.) We,
> however, have the 
> apparent advantage of being here a lot. I think that
> between the 
> three of us, we could keep the site running smoothly
> so that we can 
> eliminate the extraneous hitches and start
> concentrating on the 
> group's common interest. 
> 
> What do you say, everyone? Vern, OGD, and me for the
> time being?
> 
> Ed
> 
> 


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