Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

does anyone know if they are avaliable and the cost??? Just bought 
the new dtxpressII and so far love it.....

>  does anyone know if they are avaliable and the cost??? Just bought
> the new dtxpressII and so far love it.....

I assume you're talking about extra pads from Yamaha.  Here's the link - 

http://www.drumcentral.com/electronic_drum_sets_18.htm

Stephanie

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "mtnbikn_va" <mtnbikn_va@y...> wrote:
> does anyone know if they are avaliable and the cost??? Just bought 
> the new dtxpressII and so far love it.....

Hi Mountain biker,

Welcome to the group. Your moniker bears a resemblance to another 
member's, ibikenski. Anyway, a bunch of cymbal and drum pads are 
available as additions to, or substitutions for, the gum-rubber ones 
that came with the Xpress. An average price for a new drum, whether 
it be 10" to 14" woven head from Pintech or Roland, or an 8" to 10" 
gum-rubber from Yamaha, Pintech, or Roland is about $100. The same 
price generally holds true for new cymbals from Yamaha, Pintech, 
Roland, or Visu-lite (I deliberately leave out the otherwise quality 
triggers from Hart because their performance with Yamaha modules is 
spotty), though you can spend as much as $200 or more depending on 
company, store, and type of trigger (mono, stereo, dual-zone, etc.) 
Feel free to ask this board anything; there is a wealth of 
information here. If you're looking to buy right away, you might 
check out drumbalaya.com to view various options and ballpark prices. 
Drumbalaya, which also has a brick and mortar business, is probably 
the most popular store among electronic drummers (except for ebay), 
though many others often come into play, like MusiciansFriend, which 
is the online Guitar Center, Riks Music, etc. Used e-drums are also 
viable commodities.

May I suggest that before you create any kits of your own, you do a 
factory reset. Look in the manual for how to do it. It will eliminate 
a bug or two that could get in the way if you intend to use the MIDI 
function. Have fun. You will undoubtedly run into snags along the 
way. Let us know. We're happy to help. 

Ed

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 01:22:47 -0000, liberatusvirus wrote:
>\ufffd... is about $100. The same price generally holds true for new 
>\ufffdcymbals from Yamaha, Pintech, Roland, or Visu-lite (I deliberately 
>\ufffdleave out the otherwise quality triggers from Hart because their 
>\ufffdperformance with Yamaha modules is spotty), though you can spend as 
>\ufffdmuch as $200 or more depending on company, store, and type of trigger 
>\ufffd(mono, stereo, dual-zone, etc.)

I have a Hart MegaPro set, Hart Ecymbal II's (HH with HH80A pedal, 16" 
ride, 14" crash/choke and 12" crash/choke). These are all connected to 
a DTXtreme module. I've got everything tweaked and triggering reliably,
although the Hart Pro snare is a little temperamental yet. I was 
tweaking that tonight and am getting really close...

I've actually been surprised how well the Ecymbal II's work with the 
DTXtreme. I have the ride and HH working great -- these seem to be the 
most troublesome to others based on posts I've seen. The HH is almost 
as natural to play as a real acoustic HH. The crashes work flawlessly.
Of course this is with the DTXtreme, which is much more "tweakable" 
than the DTXpress. 

What I'd really like to do (long term project list) is get a DTXpress 
module and see if I can't get the Ecymbal II's working well with it. I 
haven't seen many people who have tried this combination. I know it 
took some experimenting when I first got the kit to get things working 
well. It definitely was NOT "plug and play". I guess I look at it as a
challenge, but something inside me tells me it can be done...

>\ufffdIf you're looking to buy right away, you might check out 
>\ufffddrumbalaya.com to view various options and ballpark prices.
>\ufffdDrumbalaya, which also has a brick and mortar business, is probably 
>\ufffdthe most popular store among electronic drummers (except for ebay),

I bought my Hart kit, Yamaha module and a few extras from Drumbalaya.
They were great on all aspects of the purchase -- Ed gave me some great
advice when I consulted him before the purchase and cleared up all the 
little details I may have missed. Two big "thumbs up" for Drumbalaya!

Matt

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Matt Pobursky <ccsuser@m...> wrote:
> What I'd really like to do (long term project list) is get a 
DTXpress 
> module and see if I can't get the Ecymbal II's working well with 
it. I 
> haven't seen many people who have tried this combination. I know it 
> took some experimenting when I first got the kit to get things 
working 
> well. It definitely was NOT "plug and play". I guess I look at it 
as a
> challenge, but something inside me tells me it can be done...

Matt,

I tried the Ecymbal II ride with the DTXpress module for quite some 
time. I really wanted it to work, but ultimately, I gave up and sold 
it to a very happy Roland owner in Texas. My pal, Walt, who is also a 
DTXtreme owner (two Xtreme modules no less) had similar problems with 
it, as well as with the hat. As a matter of fact, he contacted Peter 
Hart himself, who acknowledged the difficulty and promised to work on 
it but never did. At the very least, plug and play does not apply in 
this case. I ended up trying a Visu-lite ride in place of the Hart. 
Using the same settings, the Visu-lite tracked flawlessly from the 
start. I've tweaked a little here and there, but every Visu-lite 
cymbal that I've added to my kit was the epitome of plug and play. I 
subsequently got to know Tom Pickard, the owner and designer of the 
products, who agreed to collaborate on a Yamaha version of the Visu-
lite hat, which works on a traditional stand. It's now for sale on 
the Visu-lite site, as well as at Drumbalaya. 

If Harts and Yamahas are ever going to get together successfully, you 
may be the one to do it. But even if you succeed, it shouldn't be 
this hard. 

Ed

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:53:12 -0000, liberatusvirus wrote:
>\ufffdI tried the Ecymbal II ride with the DTXpress module for quite some 
>\ufffdtime. I really wanted it to work, but ultimately, I gave up and sold 
>\ufffdit to a very happy Roland owner in Texas. My pal, Walt, who is also a
>\ufffdDTXtreme owner (two Xtreme modules no less) had similar problems with
>\ufffdit, as well as with the hat. As a matter of fact, he contacted Peter 
>\ufffdHart himself, who acknowledged the difficulty and promised to work on
>\ufffdit but never did. At the very least, plug and play does not apply in 
>\ufffdthis case. I ended up trying a Visu-lite ride in place of the Hart.
>\ufffdUsing the same settings, the Visu-lite tracked flawlessly from the 
>\ufffdstart. I've tweaked a little here and there, but every Visu-lite 
>\ufffdcymbal that I've added to my kit was the epitome of plug and play. I 
>\ufffdsubsequently got to know Tom Pickard, the owner and designer of the 
>\ufffdproducts, who agreed to collaborate on a Yamaha version of the Visu-
>\ufffdlite hat, which works on a traditional stand. It's now for sale on 
>\ufffdthe Visu-lite site, as well as at Drumbalaya.

Yeah, I remember you guys all trying and having problems. I'm also 
wondering how consistent Hart's triggers are from unit-to-unit? I'm not 
trying to cast them in a bad light, but maybe there's a fair "spread" 
to their characteristics? As an engineer, these are the things I'm 
always pondering...

I'd also like to try the Visu-lite HH. It looks like a fine piece of 
hardware and the acrylic cymbals have a unique look. Another one of 
those "someday" things.

>\ufffdIf Harts and Yamahas are ever going to get together successfully, you
>\ufffdmay be the one to do it. But even if you succeed, it shouldn't be 
>\ufffdthis hard.

Also agreed -- I'd really love to get some of my test equipment out and 
quantify just what's going on. I know my Hart Pro snare is finicky, I 
can get the snare to trigger great but I have problems with some false 
triggering on the rim -- or vice versa. I still have not exhausted all 
the possibilities of the DTXtreme module yet and I'm getting closer
each time I tweak more.

ave a pretty fair knowledge of what the module's electronics has to do
to turn triggers into sound and I'm honestly surprised all the e-drum
gear works as well as it does, given the variations between piezo
pickups and FSR's.

Matt