Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I am using a DTXpress III special kit since a month and have to get 
used to the terms used in the Forums.
My problem is that when I close the Hi Hat (footCl) the bass drumm is 
triggered with it. I tried to search the Forum but could not get any 
satisfying answer on how to reduce this effect. I suppose this 
effetct is generally mentionned as crosstalk. Which parameters have 
to be changed to reduce it. I tried to feedle on all the parameters I 
thought could have to do with it without success.
Could somebody help a lost newbie. many thanks

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> I am using a DTXpress III special kit since a month and have to get 
> used to the terms used in the Forums.
> My problem is that when I close the Hi Hat (footCl) the bass drumm 
is 
> triggered with it. I tried to search the Forum but could not get 
any 
> satisfying answer on how to reduce this effect. I suppose this 
> effetct is generally mentionned as crosstalk. Which parameters have 
> to be changed to reduce it. I tried to feedle on all the parameters 
I 
> thought could have to do with it without success.
> Could somebody help a lost newbie. many thanks

Here's my first thought on the subject. I could be all wet, but let's 
see. To oversimplify, crosstalk normally occurs because the pads 
occupy a common ground that allows vibrations from one pad to 
propagate to the others. In most cases, the rack is the offending 
medium, and rejection or specific-rejection settings (for problems 
between two particular pads) can address the problem. In your case, 
the kick and hi hat controller don't share a direct physical 
connection, since both the hi hat and the kick pad are independent of 
the rack. True, you could be on a flimsy wooden riser, but since  
general crosstalk doesn't seem an issue, I'll assume that you aren't 
on a platform that shakes like a 50 cent stepladder.

This leads me to believe that a faulty connection, rather than 
crosstalk, is your problem. Did you by any chance connect the kick 
pad to input 9, intending also to connect another pad to the kick to 
access input 10? If so, you might have accidentally inserted the hi 
hat controller stereo cable into the kick input by mistake (and the 
cymbal mistakenly into the controller?). Unless I'm badly mistaken, 
that arrangement would give you a kick sound when you closed the hi 
hat because the stereo cable would access it. There are some 
potential holes in this theory, but I'll throw it out as a first step.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> > I am using a DTXpress III special kit since a month and have to 
get 
> > used to the terms used in the Forums.
> > My problem is that when I close the Hi Hat (footCl) the bass 
drumm 
> is 
> > triggered with it. I tried to search the Forum but could not get 
> any 
> > satisfying answer on how to reduce this effect. I suppose this 
> > effetct is generally mentionned as crosstalk. Which parameters 
have 
> > to be changed to reduce it. I tried to feedle on all the 
parameters 
> I 
> > thought could have to do with it without success.
> > Could somebody help a lost newbie. many thanks
> 
> Here's my first thought on the subject. I could be all wet, but 
let's 
> see. To oversimplify, crosstalk normally occurs because the pads 
> occupy a common ground that allows vibrations from one pad to 
> propagate to the others. In most cases, the rack is the offending 
> medium, and rejection or specific-rejection settings (for problems 
> between two particular pads) can address the problem. In your case, 
> the kick and hi hat controller don't share a direct physical 
> connection, since both the hi hat and the kick pad are independent 
of 
> the rack. True, you could be on a flimsy wooden riser, but since  
> general crosstalk doesn't seem an issue, I'll assume that you 
aren't 
> on a platform that shakes like a 50 cent stepladder.
> 
> This leads me to believe that a faulty connection, rather than 
> crosstalk, is your problem. Did you by any chance connect the kick 
> pad to input 9, intending also to connect another pad to the kick 
to 
> access input 10? If so, you might have accidentally inserted the hi 
> hat controller stereo cable into the kick input by mistake (and the 
> cymbal mistakenly into the controller?). Unless I'm badly mistaken, 
> that arrangement would give you a kick sound when you closed the hi 
> hat because the stereo cable would access it. There are some 
> potential holes in this theory, but I'll throw it out as a first 
step.
> 
> Ed

Thanks for your response,

I checked the cables again and they are inserted correctly.
I installed the kit in a room with tiles on tge floor. Due to this I 
put a carpet on it, so that the kits stands firm.
It might also help too mention, that when closing the hi hat the 
kdrum does not apear all the time but there seems to be no logic.
The Hi Hat is also triggered just most of the times it triggers the 
kdrum.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> I checked the cables again and they are inserted correctly.
> I installed the kit in a room with tiles on tge floor. Due to this 
I 
> put a carpet on it, so that the kits stands firm.
> It might also help too mention, that when closing the hi hat the 
> kdrum does not apear all the time but there seems to be no logic.
> The Hi Hat is also triggered just most of the times it triggers the 
> kdrum.

So kick goes to input 1 and hi hat to input 8/controller, right? I 
don't suppose you're using a double pedal that might cause your foot 
to stir the second pedal? Let's try an experiment. Go into the 
trigger parameters for the kick pedal and raise specific rejection of 
the hi hat input temporarily to 8. Your kick won't register anything 
but the hardest hits. Now continue to stomp on your hi hat for as 
long as you would think it should take for a false trigger of the 
kick to appear. If the kick stays mute, then you'll have to find some 
setting less than 8 that stops the crosstalk while also allowing you 
some dynamics on the kick. If the crosstalk still happens, then 
something is amiss internally. Frankly, I'm skeptical of the 
crosstalk angle because using the hi hat controller wouldn't seem to 
create much havoc physically under any conditions.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> So kick goes to input 1 and hi hat to input 8/controller, right? I 
> don't suppose you're using a double pedal that might cause your 
foot 
> to stir the second pedal? Let's try an experiment. Go into the 
> trigger parameters for the kick pedal and raise specific rejection 
of 
> the hi hat input temporarily to 8. Your kick won't register 
anything 
> but the hardest hits. Now continue to stomp on your hi hat for as 
> long as you would think it should take for a false trigger of the 
> kick to appear. If the kick stays mute, then you'll have to find 
some 
> setting less than 8 that stops the crosstalk while also allowing 
you 
> some dynamics on the kick. If the crosstalk still happens, then 
> something is amiss internally. Frankly, I'm skeptical of the 
> crosstalk angle because using the hi hat controller wouldn't seem 
to 
> create much havoc physically under any conditions.

OGD also sends the following clever suggestion along from points 
unknown:

"Move the HH65 pedal as far away from the kit as possible and place 
it on a pillow to completely isolate it from the floor. This should 
completely isolate it from the KP65 piezo. Now stomp on the HH65.  If 
the base drum voice sounds, then verify that only one voice is 
assigned to the foot close. IF it doesn't sound then because of the 
hard surface of the floor, the vibration is traveling from one to the 
other. Also, make sure that the two pedals are not touching the rack 
itself. If the HH65 is up against the horizontal foot support and the 
top of the KP65 it pressing against the bottom red crossmember that 
would also allow for transmission of the vibration between the two."

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> > I checked the cables again and they are inserted correctly.
> > I installed the kit in a room with tiles on tge floor. Due to 
this 
> I 
> > put a carpet on it, so that the kits stands firm.
> > It might also help too mention, that when closing the hi hat the 
> > kdrum does not apear all the time but there seems to be no logic.
> > The Hi Hat is also triggered just most of the times it triggers 
the 
> > kdrum.
> 
> So kick goes to input 1 and hi hat to input 8/controller, right? I 
> don't suppose you're using a double pedal that might cause your 
foot 
> to stir the second pedal? Let's try an experiment. Go into the 
> trigger parameters for the kick pedal and raise specific rejection 
of 
> the hi hat input temporarily to 8. Your kick won't register 
anything 
> but the hardest hits. Now continue to stomp on your hi hat for as 
> long as you would think it should take for a false trigger of the 
> kick to appear. If the kick stays mute, then you'll have to find 
some 
> setting less than 8 that stops the crosstalk while also allowing 
you 
> some dynamics on the kick. If the crosstalk still happens, then 
> something is amiss internally. Frankly, I'm skeptical of the 
> crosstalk angle because using the hi hat controller wouldn't seem 
to 
> create much havoc physically under any conditions.

Tried both solutions without success, but... realized now
that when I play bare foot it got worth. So is it possible that the 
triggers and/or my kit gets bad grounding over my body??????

Marc

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> 
> Tried both solutions without success, but... realized now
> that when I play bare foot it got worth. So is it possible that the 
> triggers and/or my kit gets bad grounding over my body??????

Here's another possibility: When you're not actually playing the 
kick, do you keep the pedal close to or on the pad? If you do, it 
might just trigger at the slightest instigation, and you might be 
more apt to twitch the kick foot when you're stomping on the hi hat. 
It doesn't take much. Try consciously keeping your beater away from 
the pad when not in use. 

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I can't buy the electrical charge 
theory. Another experiment? If you unplug the kick and stomp on the 
hi hat, do you still get random kicks? If so, it's out of our hands. 
If not, we should be able to locate the problem, even if it takes a 
while.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Tried both solutions without success, but... realized now
> > that when I play bare foot it got worth. So is it possible that 
the 
> > triggers and/or my kit gets bad grounding over my body??????
> 
> Here's another possibility: When you're not actually playing the 
> kick, do you keep the pedal close to or on the pad? If you do, it 
> might just trigger at the slightest instigation, and you might be 
> more apt to twitch the kick foot when you're stomping on the hi 
hat. 
> It doesn't take much. Try consciously keeping your beater away from 
> the pad when not in use. 
> 
> Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I can't buy the electrical charge 
> theory. Another experiment? If you unplug the kick and stomp on the 
> hi hat, do you still get random kicks? If so, it's out of our 
hands. 
> If not, we should be able to locate the problem, even if it takes a 
> while.

OK, Here is what I did:
1- I only slightly touched the Kick's pedal with the beater loose 
(far away from the trigger). This still triggers the kick when 
closing the Hi Hat.
2- Ths same thing like 1 but not touching the pedal with my foot. 
This time the kick was not triggered when closing the Hi Hat.
3- Unplugged the Kick's cable and naturally the kick was not 
triggered anymore.

Marc

Just guessing, but could a loose wire cause this by a slight 
vibration caussing it to touch the pizeo and thus trigger the 
sample?

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "drumsonly2002" <dan@n...> wrote:
> Just guessing, but could a loose wire cause this by a slight 
> vibration caussing it to touch the pizeo and thus trigger the 
> sample?

Or do you have the sensitivity knob on the kick pad itself turned up 
too high? What are the gain and minimum velocity settings in the 
trigger menu for that input?

If this has already been address, ignore.

If there were a stray ground pathway being generated, then simply 
picking up the hihat pedal and touching the metal frame of the KP65 
could trigger the KP65. Also, can you try to simply put a piece of 
rubber on the bottom and top of the HH65 to "electrically" isolate it 
from everything, including you, to see if that eliminates the 
problem. If it does then you may have a loose wire and surgery maybe 
required.

As far as sensitivity, if you take you finger and tap the flat part 
of the KP65 frame that sits on the floor with the two spurs in it, 
does the Piezo trigger. If it does, reduce the sensitivity down until 
it no longer triggers. 

Also, another thought:

Check to see if the voice for the Footclose has only one voice 
assigned and not two. If a cross-velocity setting between voice 1 and 
voice 2 for the footclose were setup so that "light" pressure on the 
HH65 would trigger voice 1 (hi-hat close sound) and a "heavy" 
pressure would trigger voice 2, then this would make sense, that 
sometimes it triggers/sometimes it does not.

If you goto the voice edit mode (and learn mode is on), press down on 
the hihat pedal to select:

KIT IN= footCl V=1
=H/015 K13 Clse     [This line will vary based on what you have setup]

Tab up to select V=1 using the <-Sel-> button and then change to V=2 
using the <Val +> button. The default is:

=K/000 NoAssign

If you accidentally changed this to K/001 or any other voice number, 
then the bass drum sound could be triggered when pressing down on the 
Hihat pedal.

Hang in there, we get through this.

OGD




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Tried both solutions without success, but... realized now
> > > that when I play bare foot it got worth. So is it possible that 
> the 
> > > triggers and/or my kit gets bad grounding over my body??????
> > 
> > Here's another possibility: When you're not actually playing the 
> > kick, do you keep the pedal close to or on the pad? If you do, it 
> > might just trigger at the slightest instigation, and you might be 
> > more apt to twitch the kick foot when you're stomping on the hi 
> hat. 
> > It doesn't take much. Try consciously keeping your beater away 
from 
> > the pad when not in use. 
> > 
> > Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I can't buy the electrical 
charge 
> > theory. Another experiment? If you unplug the kick and stomp on 
the 
> > hi hat, do you still get random kicks? If so, it's out of our 
> hands. 
> > If not, we should be able to locate the problem, even if it takes 
a 

> > while.
> 
> OK, Here is what I did:
> 1- I only slightly touched the Kick's pedal with the beater loose 
> (far away from the trigger). This still triggers the kick when 
> closing the Hi Hat.
> 2- Ths same thing like 1 but not touching the pedal with my foot. 
> This time the kick was not triggered when closing the Hi Hat.
> 3- Unplugged the Kick's cable and naturally the kick was not 
> triggered anymore.
> 
> Marc

Tried all and the only thing which helps is putting my best isolating
shoos on, then it stops ??!!?? The longer I play the warmer and 
sweetier I get and then it comes back, even with my winter shoes.
Did anybody ever try grounding the dtxpress or the rack to avoid this?

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> wrote:
>  If this has already been address, ignore.
> 
> If there were a stray ground pathway being generated, then simply 
> picking up the hihat pedal and touching the metal frame of the KP65 
> could trigger the KP65. Also, can you try to simply put a piece of 
> rubber on the bottom and top of the HH65 to "electrically" isolate 
it 
> from everything, including you, to see if that eliminates the 
> problem. If it does then you may have a loose wire and surgery 
maybe 
> required.
> 
> As far as sensitivity, if you take you finger and tap the flat part 
> of the KP65 frame that sits on the floor with the two spurs in it, 
> does the Piezo trigger. If it does, reduce the sensitivity down 
until 
> it no longer triggers. 
> 
> Also, another thought:
> 
> Check to see if the voice for the Footclose has only one voice 
> assigned and not two. If a cross-velocity setting between voice 1 
and 
> voice 2 for the footclose were setup so that "light" pressure on 
the 
> HH65 would trigger voice 1 (hi-hat close sound) and a "heavy" 
> pressure would trigger voice 2, then this would make sense, that 
> sometimes it triggers/sometimes it does not.
> 
> If you goto the voice edit mode (and learn mode is on), press down 
on 
> the hihat pedal to select:
> 
> KIT IN= footCl V=1
> =H/015 K13 Clse     [This line will vary based on what you have 
setup]
> 
> Tab up to select V=1 using the <-Sel-> button and then change to 
V=2 
> using the <Val +> button. The default is:
> 
> =K/000 NoAssign
> 
> If you accidentally changed this to K/001 or any other voice 
number, 
> then the bass drum sound could be triggered when pressing down on 
the 
> Hihat pedal.
> 
> Hang in there, we get through this.
> 
> OGD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Tried both solutions without success, but... realized now
> > > > that when I play bare foot it got worth. So is it possible 
that 
> > the 
> > > > triggers and/or my kit gets bad grounding over my body??????
> > > 
> > > Here's another possibility: When you're not actually playing 
the 
> > > kick, do you keep the pedal close to or on the pad? If you do, 
it 
> > > might just trigger at the slightest instigation, and you might 
be 
> > > more apt to twitch the kick foot when you're stomping on the hi 
> > hat. 
> > > It doesn't take much. Try consciously keeping your beater away 
> from 
> > > the pad when not in use. 
> > > 
> > > Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I can't buy the electrical 
> charge 
> > > theory. Another experiment? If you unplug the kick and stomp on 
> the 
> > > hi hat, do you still get random kicks? If so, it's out of our 
> > hands. 
> > > If not, we should be able to locate the problem, even if it 
takes 

> a 
> > > while.
> > 
> > OK, Here is what I did:
> > 1- I only slightly touched the Kick's pedal with the beater loose 
> > (far away from the trigger). This still triggers the kick when 
> > closing the Hi Hat.
> > 2- Ths same thing like 1 but not touching the pedal with my foot. 
> > This time the kick was not triggered when closing the Hi Hat.
> > 3- Unplugged the Kick's cable and naturally the kick was not 
> > triggered anymore.
> > 
> > Marc

I just grounded my kick pedal with the ground from the plug at it 
works :) I even can play barefoot again.

Thanks to all who tried to help Ilearned a lot about the sttings.

Marc

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> Tried all and the only thing which helps is putting my best 
isolating
> shoos on, then it stops ??!!?? The longer I play the warmer and 
> sweetier I get and then it comes back, even with my winter shoes.
> Did anybody ever try grounding the dtxpress or the rack to avoid 
this?
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "oldguydrummer" <rdamon@m...> 
wrote:
> >  If this has already been address, ignore.
> > 
> > If there were a stray ground pathway being generated, then simply 
> > picking up the hihat pedal and touching the metal frame of the 
KP65 
> > could trigger the KP65. Also, can you try to simply put a piece 
of 
> > rubber on the bottom and top of the HH65 to "electrically" 
isolate 
> it 
> > from everything, including you, to see if that eliminates the 
> > problem. If it does then you may have a loose wire and surgery 
> maybe 
> > required.
> > 
> > As far as sensitivity, if you take you finger and tap the flat 
part 
> > of the KP65 frame that sits on the floor with the two spurs in 
it, 
> > does the Piezo trigger. If it does, reduce the sensitivity down 
> until 
> > it no longer triggers. 
> > 
> > Also, another thought:
> > 
> > Check to see if the voice for the Footclose has only one voice 
> > assigned and not two. If a cross-velocity setting between voice 1 
> and 
> > voice 2 for the footclose were setup so that "light" pressure on 
> the 
> > HH65 would trigger voice 1 (hi-hat close sound) and a "heavy" 
> > pressure would trigger voice 2, then this would make sense, that 
> > sometimes it triggers/sometimes it does not.
> > 
> > If you goto the voice edit mode (and learn mode is on), press 
down 
> on 
> > the hihat pedal to select:
> > 
> > KIT IN= footCl V=1
> > =H/015 K13 Clse     [This line will vary based on what you have 
> setup]
> > 
> > Tab up to select V=1 using the <-Sel-> button and then change to 
> V=2 
> > using the <Val +> button. The default is:
> > 
> > =K/000 NoAssign
> > 
> > If you accidentally changed this to K/001 or any other voice 
> number, 
> > then the bass drum sound could be triggered when pressing down on 
> the 
> > Hihat pedal.
> > 
> > Hang in there, we get through this.
> > 
> > OGD
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "emf" <liberatusvirus@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Tried both solutions without success, but... realized now
> > > > > that when I play bare foot it got worth. So is it possible 
> that 
> > > the 
> > > > > triggers and/or my kit gets bad grounding over my body??????
> > > > 
> > > > Here's another possibility: When you're not actually playing 
> the 
> > > > kick, do you keep the pedal close to or on the pad? If you 
do, 
> it 
> > > > might just trigger at the slightest instigation, and you 
might 
> be 
> > > > more apt to twitch the kick foot when you're stomping on the 
hi 
> > > hat. 
> > > > It doesn't take much. Try consciously keeping your beater 
away 
> > from 
> > > > the pad when not in use. 
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I can't buy the electrical 
> > charge 
> > > > theory. Another experiment? If you unplug the kick and stomp 
on 
> > the 
> > > > hi hat, do you still get random kicks? If so, it's out of our 
> > > hands. 
> > > > If not, we should be able to locate the problem, even if it 
> takes 
> > a 
> > > > while.
> > > 
> > > OK, Here is what I did:
> > > 1- I only slightly touched the Kick's pedal with the beater 
loose 
> > > (far away from the trigger). This still triggers the kick when 
> > > closing the Hi Hat.
> > > 2- Ths same thing like 1 but not touching the pedal with my 
foot. 

> > > This time the kick was not triggered when closing the Hi Hat.
> > > 3- Unplugged the Kick's cable and naturally the kick was not 
> > > triggered anymore.
> > > 
> > > Marc

I, for one, would be surprised if there is a ground loop through the 
frame-if this were possible- one would expect a whole bunch of stray 
triggers. Sadly I would recommend a factory reset- this will "restore" 
normal voice and trigger settings and eliminate the possibility of a 
second voice being assigned to the hi hat pad. I have never tried to set 
up my hi hat as a second bass pedal- it sounds as though this might be 
what happened?

Creighton

(just back from vacation and feeling...well kinda tired and sad)

Marc wrote: "I just grounded my kick pedal with the ground from the plug 
at it

works  :)  I even can play barefoot again."

I am so wrong- please disregard previous post.
I think I will slink off now...

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "b_marc" <b_marc@y...> wrote:
> I just grounded my kick pedal with the ground from the plug at it 
> works :) I even can play barefoot again.
> 
> Thanks to all who tried to help Ilearned a lot about the sttings.

Marc,

That's fantastic. You really had it pegged yourself, though OGD was 
in on it, too. I must admit, in my ignorance, I didn't think that a 
stray current could wreak such havoc.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Creighton Higgins <creighton@l...> 
wrote:
> Marc wrote: "I just grounded my kick pedal with the ground from the 
plug 
> at it
> 
> works  :)  I even can play barefoot again."
> 
> I am so wrong- please disregard previous post.
> I think I will slink off now...

Hey, Creighton,

If great minds can think alike, so can small ones. If you slink back 
to vacation, can I come?

Ed

emf wrote:

>--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Creighton Higgins <creighton@l...> 
>wrote:
>  
>
>>Marc wrote: "I just grounded my kick pedal with the ground from the 
>>    
>>
>plug 
>  
>
>>at it
>>
>>works  :)  I even can play barefoot again."
>>
>>I am so wrong- please disregard previous post.
>>I think I will slink off now...
>>    
>>
>
>Hey, Creighton,
>
>If great minds can think alike, so can small ones. If you slink back 
>to vacation, can I come?
>
>Ed
>
>
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Ya know Ed?
I think I am going through the stages of grief being back from vacation: 
denial, anger, bargaining- oh no here comes the rage.  I sit at my desk 
and stare at my normally familiar objects and wonder what I am supposed 
to do with them. The one good thing so far is the regular updates from 
this quirky community. Ah well. Good to get back to my drums and my band 
Geriatrica rehearses tonight.
Creighton

You should all feel good, as you tried to help a lost drummer.
Should we meet once a beer goes on me.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Creighton Higgins <creighton@l...> 
wrote:
> I, for one, would be surprised if there is a ground loop through 
the 
> frame-if this were possible- one would expect a whole bunch of 
stray 
> triggers. Sadly I would recommend a factory reset- this 
will "restore" 
> normal voice and trigger settings and eliminate the possibility of 
a 
> second voice being assigned to the hi hat pad. I have never tried 
to set 
> up my hi hat as a second bass pedal- it sounds as though this might 
be 

> what happened?
> 
> Creighton
> 
> (just back from vacation and feeling...well kinda tired and sad)