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An1xEdit works fine under XP

Regards

Gary Gregson
email: gary@....uk

-----Original Message-----
From: Wan Kemper en/of Jackie Weusthuis [mailto:wan.kemper@...] 
Sent: 29 April 2003 15:44
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AN1x] AN1Xedit on XP?

Hi List,

I''ve got an PLGAN150 card with my motif, and now I wan't to delve
into the editting part of the card.
I've found the AN1Xedit program, but will this run under windows XP
home?

I'm not sure if this is possible. Anyone who has it running?

Grtz Wan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City" <metlay@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] matrix 12


> >  > By "compare" do you mean sonically, in terms of that
> >>  elusive quality that says "analog"? If so, then I'd better stop
> >here, as I'd
> >>  rather my first lengthy post on this list have some positive
> >content. :)
> >
> >MIke:
> >
> >Thanks for both your posts on the subject. As a list-member who has
> >heard about the expander/matrix synths, but not had access to them
it
> >is very helpful. I hope you will continue to be as frank.
>
> Jerry,
>
> Well, I was famous as a loudmouthed Xpander-supporter back in the
> early 1980s on the old USENET groups. Over the years my opinions
have
> mellowed a bit, but interestingly those early posts started me on a
> path that led to where I am now, a place I never in my wildest
dreams
> would have predicted for myself in 1985. In a very real sense, I owe
> much of my happiness and my sense of fulfillment in the professional
> world, and quite possibly my life and health as well, to my Xpander.
> So it helps to take my opinions with a grain of salt. :)
>
> >I've had the AN1X for about 3 years. I loved to tweak it and play
it.
> >It's been my favorite mode of expression, surpassing even my
steinway
> >in the amount of time consumed. I started trying to emulate
> >the "famous" analog power sounds: Rick Wakeman's minimoog, Lyle
May's
> >8 voice and expander, Geddy Lee's minimoog sweeps, some of the Phil
> >Collins and Peter Gabriel Prophet 5 pads, even some CS80 horns and
> >strings that Vangelis did. There was always the ability to get very
> >close, but a difference in power and liquidity. Then I turned the
> >corner.
> >
> >The patches are now my favorites are not analogish at all. They are
> >probably more like FM/physical modelling type sound that aren't
very
> >warm but are still full of character. And in this space, I find the
> >AN1X doing very sweet, expressive and controllable things. To me it
> >seems to be very effective when not attempting to be powerful.
>
> It seems to me you've "heard into" the AN1x to get at its strengths;
> I hope that I can get that deep with it one day, beyond the
> relatively superficial things I've learned about it so far. Its
> abilities as a light, portable, affordable MIDI controller have
> overshadowed its sound engine for me in a lot of ways, but now that
I
> have AN1xEdit working (Thanxmuchly, Jon!!), that will change.
>
> The Xpander is not all things to all people; neither is the AN1x. I
> hope that with lists like this one, and like matrixSynth (the
> counterpart to this list for users of the Xpander, Matrix-12, and
> more affordable but still pretty good-sounding Matrix-6 and
> Matrix-1000), we can educate people as to what each particular synth
> does well, and help people get the most out of their gear.
>
> At least, I hope so. I shall resist the temptation to rant (in good
> old-fashioned 1980s Metlay style) about a recent arrival on the
> matrixSynth list who showed up asking where to steal the
listmembers'
> favorite editor/librarian software: he'd found its home
> website--where the author actually expected people to PAY for
> it!--but was pretty sure he could find a krak if he asked
> around...could anyone help? Read the archives yourself if you're
> curious; I can't possibly do it justice.
>
> >Will, I still want to upgrade someday? Of course. I played a
v-synth
> >a voyager and an andromeda the other day. And it struck me that
> >andromeda provided a lovely compromise between analog sound and
> >digital control. But I'll probably keep this and buy an additional
> >AN1X on ebay so as not to lose some of these sounds. Also I don't
> >want to re-learn the controllers.
>
> You shouldn't "upgrade" your AN1x; you should get a different synth
> that provides a different quality than the AN1x, and use them
> together in complementary ways. That's the beauty of this field;
> every synth is a different color on the palette. You just need to
> have the money to buy them all and the space to have them all set
up.
> 8-\
>
> Best,
>
> mike
> --
> "You sank my Jenga ship!" "Jenga ship? We're playing CONNECT FOUR!"
> ====================================================================
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Hi Gary,

>An1xEdit works fine under XP

Please allow me to add a slight set of parentheses to your comment.  AN1xEdit works fine under Win2K and WinXP, but there is definitely something going on "under the hood" when using a USB adapter with AN1xEdit and one of these later Windows OS versions.

I have found, experimentally, that I cannot reliably do a Select All and upload the presets and sequences from the AN1x through my Midiman 2x2USB interface; more often than not, the process hangs somewhere between say, preset 35 and preset 60.  However, if I "cheat" and upload the presets/sequences in 4-5 parts, it comes through fine every time.  Now, I'm not saying that this is AN1xEdit's fault:  perhaps it's a flaw in the USB driver, or perhaps the program uses more system "horsepower" and so runs up against limitations in the OS more than other applications.  I have noticed, however, that I have never had this problem under Win98SE.  I've talked to a couple of XP users who have similar problems to my Win2K scenario.  FWIW, there is something going on between your program and later Windows versions -- and deserved or not, your otherwise superb program is probably taking the rap for it most of the time.

Regards,

-BW
--
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Hi Gary,

Thank you for this prompt reply, I will try it out then when my new
system arrives.

Grtz Wan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gregson" <gary@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AN1x] AN1Xedit on XP?


> An1xEdit works fine under XP
>
> Regards
>
> Gary Gregson
> email: gary@...
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wan Kemper en/of Jackie Weusthuis
[mailto:wan.kemper@...]
> Sent: 29 April 2003 15:44
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AN1x] AN1Xedit on XP?
>
> Hi List,
>
> I''ve got an PLGAN150 card with my motif, and now I wan't to delve
> into the editting part of the card.
> I've found the AN1Xedit program, but will this run under windows XP
> home?
>
> I'm not sure if this is possible. Anyone who has it running?
>
> Grtz Wan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City" <metlay@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] matrix 12
>
>
> > >  > By "compare" do you mean sonically, in terms of that
> > >>  elusive quality that says "analog"? If so, then I'd better
stop
> > >here, as I'd
> > >>  rather my first lengthy post on this list have some positive
> > >content. :)
> > >
> > >MIke:
> > >
> > >Thanks for both your posts on the subject. As a list-member who
has
> > >heard about the expander/matrix synths, but not had access to
them
> it
> > >is very helpful. I hope you will continue to be as frank.
> >
> > Jerry,
> >
> > Well, I was famous as a loudmouthed Xpander-supporter back in the
> > early 1980s on the old USENET groups. Over the years my opinions
> have
> > mellowed a bit, but interestingly those early posts started me on
a
> > path that led to where I am now, a place I never in my wildest
> dreams
> > would have predicted for myself in 1985. In a very real sense, I
owe
> > much of my happiness and my sense of fulfillment in the
professional
> > world, and quite possibly my life and health as well, to my
Xpander.
> > So it helps to take my opinions with a grain of salt. :)
> >
> > >I've had the AN1X for about 3 years. I loved to tweak it and play
> it.
> > >It's been my favorite mode of expression, surpassing even my
> steinway
> > >in the amount of time consumed. I started trying to emulate
> > >the "famous" analog power sounds: Rick Wakeman's minimoog, Lyle
> May's
> > >8 voice and expander, Geddy Lee's minimoog sweeps, some of the
Phil
> > >Collins and Peter Gabriel Prophet 5 pads, even some CS80 horns
and
> > >strings that Vangelis did. There was always the ability to get
very
> > >close, but a difference in power and liquidity. Then I turned the
> > >corner.
> > >
> > >The patches are now my favorites are not analogish at all. They
are
> > >probably more like FM/physical modelling type sound that aren't
> very
> > >warm but are still full of character. And in this space, I find
the
> > >AN1X doing very sweet, expressive and controllable things. To me
it
> > >seems to be very effective when not attempting to be powerful.
> >
> > It seems to me you've "heard into" the AN1x to get at its
strengths;
> > I hope that I can get that deep with it one day, beyond the
> > relatively superficial things I've learned about it so far. Its
> > abilities as a light, portable, affordable MIDI controller have
> > overshadowed its sound engine for me in a lot of ways, but now
that
> I
> > have AN1xEdit working (Thanxmuchly, Jon!!), that will change.
> >
> > The Xpander is not all things to all people; neither is the AN1x.
I
> > hope that with lists like this one, and like matrixSynth (the
> > counterpart to this list for users of the Xpander, Matrix-12, and
> > more affordable but still pretty good-sounding Matrix-6 and
> > Matrix-1000), we can educate people as to what each particular
synth
> > does well, and help people get the most out of their gear.
> >
> > At least, I hope so. I shall resist the temptation to rant (in
good
> > old-fashioned 1980s Metlay style) about a recent arrival on the
> > matrixSynth list who showed up asking where to steal the
> listmembers'
> > favorite editor/librarian software: he'd found its home
> > website--where the author actually expected people to PAY for
> > it!--but was pretty sure he could find a krak if he asked
> > around...could anyone help? Read the archives yourself if you're
> > curious; I can't possibly do it justice.
> >
> > >Will, I still want to upgrade someday? Of course. I played a
> v-synth
> > >a voyager and an andromeda the other day. And it struck me that
> > >andromeda provided a lovely compromise between analog sound and
> > >digital control. But I'll probably keep this and buy an
additional
> > >AN1X on ebay so as not to lose some of these sounds. Also I don't
> > >want to re-learn the controllers.
> >
> > You shouldn't "upgrade" your AN1x; you should get a different
synth
> > that provides a different quality than the AN1x, and use them
> > together in complementary ways. That's the beauty of this field;
> > every synth is a different color on the palette. You just need to
> > have the money to buy them all and the space to have them all set
> up.
> > 8-\
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > mike
> > --
> > "You sank my Jenga ship!" "Jenga ship? We're playing CONNECT
FOUR!"
> >
====================================================================
> > Mike Metlay * ATOMIC CITY * PO Box 17083 * Boulder CO 80308-0083
USA
> > metlay@... *  1-800-924-ATOM  *
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Hi Bruce,

Just replied to Gary when I saw your comments. Now I do have a midiman
midisport 2x2 interface, so I am going to try this stuff out also.
Hope it won't be very bad, but if I catch the tone of your mail you
are still very happy with AN1Xedit.
I am now happy with AN1Xedit running under 98SE and hopefully soon
with my new XP-system.

Thank for your reply.

Grtz Wan

From: "Bruce Wahler" <bruce@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 5:12 PM
Subject: RE: [AN1x] AN1Xedit on XP?


> Hi Gary,
>
> >An1xEdit works fine under XP
>
> Please allow me to add a slight set of parentheses to your comment.
AN1xEdit works fine under Win2K and WinXP, but there is definitely
something going on "under the hood" when using a USB adapter with
AN1xEdit and one of these later Windows OS versions.
>
> I have found, experimentally, that I cannot reliably do a Select All
and upload the presets and sequences from the AN1x through my Midiman
2x2USB interface; more often than not, the process hangs somewhere
between say, preset 35 and preset 60.  However, if I "cheat" and
upload the presets/sequences in 4-5 parts, it comes through fine every
time.  Now, I'm not saying that this is AN1xEdit's fault:  perhaps
it's a flaw in the USB driver, or perhaps the program uses more system
"horsepower" and so runs up against limitations in the OS more than
other applications.  I have noticed, however, that I have never had
this problem under Win98SE.  I've talked to a couple of XP users who
have similar problems to my Win2K scenario.  FWIW, there is something
going on between your program and later Windows versions -- and
deserved or not, your otherwise superb program is probably taking the
rap for it most of the time.
>
> Regards,
>
> -BW
> --
> Bruce Wahler
> Ashby SolutionsT   http://music.ashbysolutions.com
> 978.386.7389  voice/fax
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Hi Wan,

>Just replied to Gary when I saw your comments. Now I do have a midiman
>midisport 2x2 interface, so I am going to try this stuff out also.
>Hope it won't be very bad, but if I catch the tone of your mail you
>are still very happy with AN1Xedit.

Yes, it's still much better than any free software I've ever received with a musical product, and better than the shareware editor, QControl, that I use with my Alesis QSR -- which I PAID for.  Part of the problem lies in the fact that the AN1x doesn't have a "bulk dump" MIDI command, so either you have to initiate one manually from the synth (as I do to save files in Cakewalk), or you have to ask for each preset one at a time (as I believe AN1x does).  This means that there is always a possible sync problem during the "Give me preset #1 ... Here's #1 ... Give me #2 ..." dialog.  If either side loses track, it will stop and wait, which causes the other side to also stop and wait.  That's why I say that it might not actually be AN1xEdit's fault -- but it can be frustrating.  I hope you don't see the same problem.

Regards,

-BW
--
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Ashby Solutions\ufffd   http://music.ashbysolutions.com
978.386.7389  voice/fax
bruce@...

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Wahler <bruce@a...> 
wrote:
> Hi Wan,
> 
> >Just replied to Gary when I saw your comments. Now I do 
have a midiman
> >midisport 2x2 interface, so I am going to try this stuff out also.
> >Hope it won't be very bad, but if I catch the tone of your mail 
you
> >are still very happy with AN1Xedit.
> 
> Yes, it's still much better than any free software I've ever 
received with a musical product, and better than the shareware 
editor, QControl, that I use with my Alesis QSR -- which I PAID 
for.  Part of the problem lies in the fact that the AN1x doesn't have 
a "bulk dump" MIDI command, 

I'm not certain I understand this comment. How else would 
AN1xEdit Transmit/Receive if the AN1x didn't have a bulk dump 
MIDI Command? Are you differentiating between a possible MIDI 
CC or NRPN equivalent for a bulk dump vs. SysEx? See pages 
13-15 of the AN1x Data List - I think you can hobble together a 
SysEx bulk dump request from this info.

>so either you have to initiate one manually from the synth (as I 
do to save files in Cakewalk), or you have to ask for each preset 
one at a time (as I believe AN1x does).  This means that there is 
always a possible sync problem during the "Give me preset #1 ... 
Here's #1 ... Give me #2 ..." dialog. 

Have you tried dusing the '1-64 vce' and '65-128 vce' options for 
BulkDump under the UTILITY/SETUP menu?

When I first tried an AN1x bulk dump via USB (using a midiman 
MIDISport 2x2 on both Mac OS 8.6 and 9.x.x and an old copy 
Opcode Galaxy v2.5.x) I found it possible to successfully dump 
voices using the above options. I'm not going to rehash my 
AN1xEdit & USB experiences - see the list archives for that. You 
know, I picked up a 1x1 midiman USB MIDI Interface to move 
between my various machines. I should put up a copy of 
AN1xEdit on my wifes Compaq/XP machine...

 >If either side loses track, it will stop and wait, which causes the 
other side to also stop and wait.  That's why I say that it might not 
actually be AN1xEdit's fault -- but it can be frustrating.  I hope you 
don't see the same problem.
> 

regards,

Jon

I have been playing with AN1xEdit and it seems to work very well so far.
However, one of the things I enjoy doing with other librarians is to randomize
an entire bank of sounds and then flip through them quickly to see if I hear
something intriguing to tweak to taste; AN1xEdit doesn't appear to offer this
capability.

It seems that one must randomize and download a single sound, try it, decide
to save it or not, then do it all again. That greatly slows me down in my
'sound surfing,' and it would be nice if I could randomize an entire bank for
bulk download. Am I missing the way to do this in AN1xEdit, or is it in fact
impossible? (I suppose I could go back to SoundDiver to actually create the
banks and download them, but I'm not that familiar with SD's randomizer and I
don't know what it needs for "seed" data, if anything.)

Thanks,

mike

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Hi Jon,

>I'm not certain I understand this comment. How else would 
>AN1xEdit Transmit/Receive if the AN1x didn't have a bulk dump 
>MIDI Command? Are you differentiating between a possible MIDI 
>CC or NRPN equivalent for a bulk dump vs. SysEx? See pages 
>13-15 of the AN1x Data List - I think you can hobble together a 
>SysEx bulk dump request from this info.

The AN1x has a bulk dump packet definition, but it doesn't have a bulk dump command.  Take a look at the SysEx:  The AN1x doesn't have the kind of all-out, "give me what you got" bulk dump command the way most MIDI gear has.  It has commands that dump a single patch or sequence, and certain subset dumps, but no Dump All Data command.

I'm sure that you can cobble together a series of AN1x MIDI commands that amount to a bulk dump; in fact, that's what AN1xEdit does when you Select All.  But, that's exactly the problem -- you can't just send them all at once; you have to wait for the reply before sending the next one.  Any time we have an orchestrated conversation where you have to say something, then be quiet until I give a certain reply, then talk again, etc., there's a possibility of things going awry.  Look at what happens in movies and TV:  You get blooper reels.  :^)  Unfortunately, MIDI blooper reels are rarely that funny.  And because the AN1x sends so much data -- 3.5x the amount of my Alesis QSR, and 15x the amount of my Korg BX3 -- there's an even greater chance of something getting lost or out of sync.  Like I said, I don't really know who is at fault -- Win2K, the USB driver, AN1xEdit, or a combination of the three -- but I know that it's not always smooth sailing.

On the other side of things, after I send an All Dump Request to my QSR or BX3, all I have to do is sit there and let it vent until I see no more data.  I don't even really have to know how big the data dump is, as long as I wait a long time.  That's what I wish the AN1x did; I'm sure that it would have made Gary's life easier when he was coding.

Regards,

-BW
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Ashby Solutions\ufffd   http://music.ashbysolutions.com
978.386.7389  voice/fax
bruce@...

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Metlay" <metlay@a...> wrote:
> I have been playing with AN1xEdit and it seems to work very well so 
far.
> However, one of the things I enjoy doing with other librarians is 
to randomize
> an entire bank of sounds and then flip through them quickly to see 
if I hear
> something intriguing to tweak to taste; AN1xEdit doesn't appear to 
offer this
> capability.
> 
> It seems that one must randomize and download a single sound, try 
it, decide
> to save it or not, then do it all again. That greatly slows me down 
in my
> 'sound surfing,' and it would be nice if I could randomize an 
entire bank for
> bulk download. Am I missing the way to do this in AN1xEdit, or is 
it in fact
> impossible? (I suppose I could go back to SoundDiver to actually 
create the
> banks and download them, but I'm not that familiar with SD's 
randomizer and I
> don't know what it needs for "seed" data, if anything.)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> mike

I'm not in front of my Mac + AN1xEdit right and don't recall a method 
in which you can randomize a bank of voices. Never been much of a fan 
for patch randomizers...

However, if you have access to a Wintel machine, there is a free app 
called Genetix for download in the File setion 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files here at Yahoo! Groups 
which does specifically what you ask.

HTH

Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Wahler <bruce@a...> wrote:
> Hi Jon,
> 
> >I'm not certain I understand this comment. How else would 
> >AN1xEdit Transmit/Receive if the AN1x didn't have a bulk dump 
> >MIDI Command? Are you differentiating between a possible MIDI 
> >CC or NRPN equivalent for a bulk dump vs. SysEx? See pages 
> >13-15 of the AN1x Data List - I think you can hobble together a 
> >SysEx bulk dump request from this info.
> 
> The AN1x has a bulk dump packet definition, but it doesn't have a 
bulk dump command.  Take a look at the SysEx:  The AN1x doesn't have 
the kind of all-out, "give me what you got" bulk dump command the way 
most MIDI gear has.  It has commands that dump a single patch or 
sequence, and certain subset dumps, but no Dump All Data command.
> 

Right, OK. I made a 2nd look at page 13 of the Data List and 'see' 
what you're saying. 

> I'm sure that you can cobble together a series of AN1x MIDI 
commands that amount to a bulk dump; in fact, that's what AN1xEdit 
does when you Select All.  But, that's exactly the problem -- you 
can't just send them all at once; you have to wait for the reply 
before sending the next one.  Any time we have an orchestrated 
conversation where you have to say something, then be quiet until I 
give a certain reply, then talk again, etc., there's a possibility of 
things going awry.  Look at what happens in movies and TV:  You get 
blooper reels.  :^)  Unfortunately, MIDI blooper reels are rarely 
that funny.  And because the AN1x sends so much data -- 3.5x the 
amount of my Alesis QSR, and 15x the amount of my Korg BX3 -- there's 
an even greater chance of something getting lost or out of sync.  
Like I said, I don't really know who is at fault -- Win2K, the USB 
driver, AN1xEdit, or a combination of the three -- but I know that 
it's not always smooth sailing.
> 

Right.

> On the other side of things, after I send an All Dump Request to my 
QSR or BX3, all I have to do is sit there and let it vent until I see 
no more data.  I don't even really have to know how big the data dump 
is, as long as I wait a long time.  That's what I wish the AN1x did; 
I'm sure that it would have made Gary's life easier when he was 
coding.
> 

Ok, so this is an ease of use thing - you simply want to be able to 
initiate the Bulk Dump remotely rather than from the AN1x front panel 
AND the USB 'issue' compounds the problem for you. I get it now.

regards,

Jon

Hi Jon,

>> On the other side of things, after I send an All Dump Request to my 
>QSR or BX3, all I have to do is sit there and let it vent until I see 
>no more data.  I don't even really have to know how big the data dump 
>is, as long as I wait a long time.  That's what I wish the AN1x did; 
>I'm sure that it would have made Gary's life easier when he was 
>coding.
>> 
>
>Ok, so this is an ease of use thing - you simply want to be able to 
>initiate the Bulk Dump remotely rather than from the AN1x front panel 
>AND the USB 'issue' compounds the problem for you. I get it now.

Well, it is and it isn't about ease-of-use.  When I'm saving patches off in Cakewalk, it's strictly an ease-of-use thing and frankly, I don't mind going to the AN1x and initiating a bulk dump.

In an editor/librarian, however, it's a bit more.  What kind of editor can't load in your current set of patches before starting a session, right?  In the case of the AN1x, it means that someone writing an editor has to create the ILLUSION of a bulk dump request, because no such command exists.  That's where the fun begins, and in the case of some Win2K (and maybe WinXP) setups, it doesn't seem to work as well as it might, resulting in occasional hangs.  If, however, the AN1x had a bulk dump command, we wouldn't even be having this conversation!

Regards,

-BW
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Jon said:
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Metlay" <metlay@a...> wrote:
>> It seems that one must randomize and download a single sound, try
> it, decide
>> to save it or not, then do it all again. That greatly slows me down
> in my
>> 'sound surfing,' and it would be nice if I could randomize an
> entire bank for
>> bulk download. Am I missing the way to do this in AN1xEdit, or is
> it in fact
>> impossible? (I suppose I could go back to SoundDiver to actually
> create the
>> banks and download them, but I'm not that familiar with SD's
> randomizer and I
>> don't know what it needs for "seed" data, if anything.)
>
> I'm not in front of my Mac + AN1xEdit right and don't recall a method
> in which you can randomize a bank of voices. Never been much of a fan
> for patch randomizers...

Many folks aren't. However, I find them an intriguing window into how to get a
synth to do certain things. Disassembling other people's patches doesn't teach
you how to break a synth; a properly designed randomizer does. Since most of
my patches involve breaking synths, this is a very handy tool for me.

> However, if you have access to a Wintel machine, there is a free app
> called Genetix for download in the File setion
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files here at Yahoo! Groups
> which does specifically what you ask.

Windows?! THPHHT ACK ACK ACK ACK!

Ahem. No, I don't have access to a Wintel machine to do such a thing. However,
I do have other tools I can fall back on at a time like this. Specifically
barter and sneakiness. :)

If anyone out there with a working copy of Genetix on their PC and the ability
to save the resulting randomized banks as files readable into AN1xEdit on a
Mac (I assume that the .an1 files are no different on Mac and PC?) would be
willing to help me, I would gladly provide them with free electronic music on
CD in exchange for their data. Depending on how many banks of patches you were
willing to make for me, I would send one or more EPs or full albums of
electronic music from my catalog.

Please email me offlist at metlay@... if you can help; I would
prefer a USA address for mailing purposes, but if a European or other
foreigner offers to help I won't say no: I will just ask for relatively few
banks so I can pay for them with a small disc or two that can fit in a Global
Priority Mail envelope easily.

TIA

mike

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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Metlay" <metlay@a...> wrote:
> Jon said:
> > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Metlay" <metlay@a...> 
wrote:
> >> It seems that one must randomize and download a single sound, try
> > it, decide
> >> to save it or not, then do it all again. That greatly slows me 
down
> > in my
> >> 'sound surfing,' and it would be nice if I could randomize an
> > entire bank for
> >> bulk download. Am I missing the way to do this in AN1xEdit, or is
> > it in fact
> >> impossible? (I suppose I could go back to SoundDiver to actually
> > create the
> >> banks and download them, but I'm not that familiar with SD's
> > randomizer and I
> >> don't know what it needs for "seed" data, if anything.)
> >
> > I'm not in front of my Mac + AN1xEdit right and don't recall a 
method
> > in which you can randomize a bank of voices. Never been much of a 
fan
> > for patch randomizers...
> 
> Many folks aren't. However, I find them an intriguing window into 
how to get a
> synth to do certain things. Disassembling other people's patches 
doesn't teach
> you how to break a synth; a properly designed randomizer does. 


That's a bit of a stretch for me. I've never found patch randomizers 
to be of more than marginal use. I'd rather just program the sound 
then sit there hitting enter in the hope something useful might turn 
up.



Since most of
> my patches involve breaking synths, this is a very handy tool for 
me.
> 
> > However, if you have access to a Wintel machine, there is a free 
app
> > called Genetix for download in the File setion
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files here at Yahoo! 
Groups
> > which does specifically what you ask.
> 
> Windows?! THPHHT ACK ACK ACK ACK!
> 

While I too am a long time Mac enthusiast, please keep in mind this 
list is not platform specific - and the Genetix author was/is a 
contributing list member of some time.  Thanks.

Jon

Hello,
 
..well ... XOR/Unisyn 
is EXTREMELY good at randomizing banks or patches
Years ago (on the Atari:-) I could managed to create 
lots of great sounds for matrix 1000 UWave I and TG77. 
I have also noticed playing with many other synths D110 K5 
Jd800/Jd990 ultraproteus Prophecy .. that the more complex 
is the nature of the synth/engine/parameters the better the results, 
at least to my ears ! 
(if u are not in to experimental music u may disagree) 
.. m1000 UWave tg77 being the champions in this respect 
but the jd800/jd990 combo also never end to surprise me ..  
 
XOR/Unisyn has what i always wanted .. u select 1 patch u like 
then a second one and it can progressively 
create a morphing bank of variations and permutations of the 2 
with some kind of adjustable rules .. 
(Any synth company should embed this in ROM on any synth :-)  

such a pity that .. 
num 1     AN1x is not supported :-( 
and num 2 Soundiver doesn't allow the same degree 
of randomization control :-(

PS: The Xpander has been sold (not to me !)
i can come back to sleep :-)) .. better focus on what i have 
that will keep me busy anyhow for next century ! :-) 

Regards
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> 
> That's a bit of a stretch for me. I've never found patch randomizers 
> to be of more than marginal use. I'd rather just program the sound 
> then sit there hitting enter in the hope something useful might turn 
> up.
>

Jon said:
>> >. Never been much of a fan
>> > for patch randomizers...
>>
>> Many folks aren't. However, I find them an intriguing window into
> how to get a
>> synth to do certain things. Disassembling other people's patches
> doesn't teach
>> you how to break a synth; a properly designed randomizer does.
>
>
> That's a bit of a stretch for me. I've never found patch randomizers
> to be of more than marginal use. I'd rather just program the sound
> then sit there hitting enter in the hope something useful might turn
> up.

Horses for courses...there's room for all approaches in the community, those
we agree with and those we don't.

>> Windows?! THPHHT ACK ACK ACK ACK!
>>
>
> While I too am a long time Mac enthusiast, please keep in mind this
> list is not platform specific - and the Genetix author was/is a
> contributing list member of some time.  Thanks.

See above. I won't argue with anyone who successfully and happily uses a
Windows machine to get things done, but I have my own opinions concerning
Windows and would hope that they not be misconstrued as an attempt to preach
gospel.

mike

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