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Hi everyone,

I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...

now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...

since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?

I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...

I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
waldorf q are out of my price range instead...

so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?

greetings


Fabio

I first had a Roland SH-201 and the AN1x is about 10 times better for the
sound or to use as a controller.

I also have the MS2000R but I find the Yamaha is made more professional. It
can sound a lot like real analog. Unlike the MS2000 the step sequencer can
also send on MIDI. For 250 euros it's the best buy I ever made. It's also
very tough, I already dropped my case by accident. There is also enough
knobs, it's like having 48 knobs.

Le 24 sept. 2010 21:53, "somethingkillingyou" <somethingkillingyou@...> a
�crit :



Hi everyone,

I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...

now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...

since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?

I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...

I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they actually
do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
waldorf q are out of my price range instead...

so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?

greetings

Fabio




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello !
if you need another keyboard : AN1x . Very under rated instrument, can
be cheap second hand, but very impressive despite its limitations (10
note polyphony, "multi function" knobs). The keyboard itself is good
too, not to firm but enough, with a good after touch. You can find a lot
of demos on YouTube. Have a look at :
http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/htm/an1x.php
too.

if you need only an expander : Novation Nova, but a bit too expensive
and sounds too close to the Obie 12 IMHO.

More "exotic" : Yamaha AN200 or RedSound Elevata. Both are expanders.
The first one is "half an AN1x packed with a rythm machine". Very funny
little box, but a bit too limited, more a "groove box" than a standalone
synth
http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/an200.php

The second is a rare english V.A. synth with its own sound, very "raw"
and "old school", but it's a "hate it or love it" instrument. Very user
friendly and flexible, multi timbral and 16 note polyphonic, but it has
no in board effects, only a basic chorus / phasing, no 4 pole VCF. With
this one : try it before buy, the sound is very special (of course most
of the preset sucks, as on most synths...).
http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/elevata.php

I was very impressed by the Roland JP 8000 but the polyphony is only 8
note, no after touch....one of the early VAs with the Nord Lead. I never
tried Korg's VAs...
Cheers.
J.F.

somethingkillingyou a écrit :

>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
>
> now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
>
> since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
>
> I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
> but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
> or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...
>
> I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they
> actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
> waldorf q are out of my price range instead...
>
> so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?
>
> greetings
>
> Fabio
>
>

Novation have a new synth, the Ultranova, coming out towards the end of this year. When it does I expect the prices of Novas and Supernovas will fall, so it might be worth waiting for a couple of months if you're thinking of getting one.

I have an AN1X, a Novation KS rack and an Akai Miniak. They are all decent synths for what I paid for them, but in terms of bang for buck I'd say the Miniak wins hands down, as they've been discontinued but you can still get them new for silly money. However, I'm guessing you want a synth with lots of knobs to twiddle?

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "somethingkillingyou" <somethingkillingyou@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
>
> now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
>
> since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
>
> I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
> but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
> or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...
>
> I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
> waldorf q are out of my price range instead...
>
> so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?
>
> greetings
>
>
> Fabio
>

hi, thanks for the advices!

I think that the an1x may be a really good solution...

...or maybe I'll wait for the new novation ultranova, which is compact, has a vocoder, and being also an audio interface has 2 inputs so I could connect one of my synths in it (I have no more channels free in my mixer and audio interface)... its only real limitation is mono-timbrality... but I think that with 3 osc, 'self' sync that use only one osc (like the an1x...), great mod matrix, 3 lfos and 6 env I could get pretty complex stuff anyway without layers... also, no keyboard split won't be that much of a problem anyway, in a 37 keys synth...

I think I'll wait for it, before buying an an1x (unless a super deal occurs...)


greetings

Fabio

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:
>
> Hello !
> if you need another keyboard : AN1x . Very under rated instrument, can
> be cheap second hand, but very impressive despite its limitations (10
> note polyphony, "multi function" knobs). The keyboard itself is good
> too, not to firm but enough, with a good after touch. You can find a lot
> of demos on YouTube. Have a look at :
> http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/htm/an1x.php
> too.
>
> if you need only an expander : Novation Nova, but a bit too expensive
> and sounds too close to the Obie 12 IMHO.
>
> More "exotic" : Yamaha AN200 or RedSound Elevata. Both are expanders.
> The first one is "half an AN1x packed with a rythm machine". Very funny
> little box, but a bit too limited, more a "groove box" than a standalone
> synth
> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/an200.php
>
> The second is a rare english V.A. synth with its own sound, very "raw"
> and "old school", but it's a "hate it or love it" instrument. Very user
> friendly and flexible, multi timbral and 16 note polyphonic, but it has
> no in board effects, only a basic chorus / phasing, no 4 pole VCF. With
> this one : try it before buy, the sound is very special (of course most
> of the preset sucks, as on most synths...).
> http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/elevata.php
>
> I was very impressed by the Roland JP 8000 but the polyphony is only 8
> note, no after touch....one of the early VAs with the Nord Lead. I never
> tried Korg's VAs...
> Cheers.
> J.F.
>
> somethingkillingyou a écrit :
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
> >
> > now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
> >
> > since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
> >
> > I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
> > but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
> > or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...
> >
> > I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they
> > actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
> > waldorf q are out of my price range instead...
> >
> > so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?
> >
> > greetings
> >
> > Fabio
> >
> >
>

Hi. AN1x is a great synth. I was surprised by the overpriced comment on Nords. I have a Nord G2 engine and at £400 considered it a bargain for a modular synth.

Sent from my iPhone

On 25 Sep 2010, at 09:39, Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:

> Hello !
> if you need another keyboard : AN1x . Very under rated instrument, can
> be cheap second hand, but very impressive despite its limitations (10
> note polyphony, "multi function" knobs). The keyboard itself is good
> too, not to firm but enough, with a good after touch. You can find a lot
> of demos on YouTube. Have a look at :
> http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/htm/an1x.php
> too.
>
> if you need only an expander : Novation Nova, but a bit too expensive
> and sounds too close to the Obie 12 IMHO.
>
> More "exotic" : Yamaha AN200 or RedSound Elevata. Both are expanders.
> The first one is "half an AN1x packed with a rythm machine". Very funny
> little box, but a bit too limited, more a "groove box" than a standalone
> synth
> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/an200.php
>
> The second is a rare english V.A. synth with its own sound, very "raw"
> and "old school", but it's a "hate it or love it" instrument. Very user
> friendly and flexible, multi timbral and 16 note polyphonic, but it has
> no in board effects, only a basic chorus / phasing, no 4 pole VCF. With
> this one : try it before buy, the sound is very special (of course most
> of the preset sucks, as on most synths...).
> http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/elevata.php
>
> I was very impressed by the Roland JP 8000 but the polyphony is only 8
> note, no after touch....one of the early VAs with the Nord Lead. I never
> tried Korg's VAs...
> Cheers.
> J.F.
>
> somethingkillingyou a écrit :
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
>>
>> now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
>>
>> since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
>>
>> I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
>> but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
>> or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...
>>
>> I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they
>> actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
>> waldorf q are out of my price range instead...
>>
>> so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?
>>
>> greetings
>>
>> Fabio
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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I really doesn't expect too much from the Ultranova. I have a Novation Nova and I can bet that Novation won't use
its engine (ASM) in this new synth. The specs does not match the original ones and have a really weak vocoder (16
bands, as their Liquid Analog Synths. The Nova have 40 bands).
The UltraNova have nice touches but only on its "hardware" (knobs), but I don't think it will be better than a Nova.

Put your money on a Nova or on an AN1x, you won't regret.

On the Korg's side, you may consider the Radias. I had one and it sounds good (4 timbres, 24 voices, programable
arp, large LCD, decent FX and looks good).

Cheers from Brazil,
Cláudio Falcão (CENOBITA)

On Sex 24/09/10 8:58 PM , "phil_miller71" phil_miller71@... sent:

> Novation have a new synth, the Ultranova, coming out towards the end of
> this year. When it does I expect the prices of Novas and Supernovas will
> fall, so it might be worth waiting for a couple of months if you're
> thinking of getting one.
>
>
> I have an AN1X, a Novation KS rack and an Akai Miniak. They are all decent
> synths for what I paid for them, but in terms of bang for buck I'd say the
> Miniak wins hands down, as they've been discontinued but you can still get
> them new for silly money. However, I'm guessing you want a synth with lots
> of knobs to twiddle?
>
>
>
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yah
> oogroups.com, "somethingkillingyou" wrote:
> >
>
> > Hi everyone,
>
> >
>
> > I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
>
> >
>
> > now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
>
> >
>
> > since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
>
> >
>
> > I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
>
> > but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
> > or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...
>
> >
>
> > I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they
> actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
> > waldorf q are out of my price range instead...
>
> >
>
> > so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?
>
> >
>
> > greetings
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Fabio
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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somethingkillingyou a écrit :

>
> hi, thanks for the advices!
>
> I think that the an1x may be a really good solution...
>

You can find one 2nd hand for 200 ~ 300€. If it was not done by the
previous owner, change the memory backup battery....

>
>
> ...or maybe I'll wait for the new novation ultranova, which is
> compact, has a vocoder, and being also an audio interface has 2 inputs
> so I could connect one of my synths in it (I have no more channels
> free in my mixer and audio interface)... its only real limitation is
> mono-timbrality... but I think that with 3 osc, 'self' sync that use
> only one osc (like the an1x...), great mod matrix, 3 lfos and 6 env I
> could get pretty complex stuff anyway without layers... also, no
> keyboard split won't be that much of a problem anyway, in a 37 keys
> synth...
>

Only 37 keys and one part.... Unless the price tag is low (?) the older
Nova or Supernova are IMHO much better, but it depênds on what you're
playing. The Ultranova could be fine for triggering sequences when you
play the keys of another synth.

>
>
> I think I'll wait for it, before buying an an1x (unless a super deal
> occurs...)
>
> greetings
>
> Fabio
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello !
> > if you need another keyboard : AN1x . Very under rated instrument, can
> > be cheap second hand, but very impressive despite its limitations (10
> > note polyphony, "multi function" knobs). The keyboard itself is good
> > too, not to firm but enough, with a good after touch. You can find a
> lot
> > of demos on YouTube. Have a look at :
> > http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/htm/an1x.php
> > too.
> >
> > if you need only an expander : Novation Nova, but a bit too expensive
> > and sounds too close to the Obie 12 IMHO.
> >
> > More "exotic" : Yamaha AN200 or RedSound Elevata. Both are expanders.
> > The first one is "half an AN1x packed with a rythm machine". Very funny
> > little box, but a bit too limited, more a "groove box" than a
> standalone
> > synth
> > http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/an200.php
> >
> > The second is a rare english V.A. synth with its own sound, very "raw"
> > and "old school", but it's a "hate it or love it" instrument. Very user
> > friendly and flexible, multi timbral and 16 note polyphonic, but it has
> > no in board effects, only a basic chorus / phasing, no 4 pole VCF. With
> > this one : try it before buy, the sound is very special (of course most
> > of the preset sucks, as on most synths...).
> > http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/elevata.php
> >
> > I was very impressed by the Roland JP 8000 but the polyphony is only 8
> > note, no after touch....one of the early VAs with the Nord Lead. I
> never
> > tried Korg's VAs...
> > Cheers.
> > J.F.
> >
> > somethingkillingyou a écrit :
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
> > >
> > > now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
> > >
> > > since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
> > >
> > > I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
> > > but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
> > > or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...
> > >
> > > I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they
> > > actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
> > > waldorf q are out of my price range instead...
> > >
> > > so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?
> > >
> > > greetings
> > >
> > > Fabio
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Op 25-9-2010 4:36, somethingkillingyou schreef:

> ...or maybe I'll wait for the new novation ultranova, which is compact, has a vocoder, and being also an audio interface has 2 inputs so I could connect one of my synths in it (I have no more channels free in my mixer and audio interface)... its only real limitation is mono-timbrality... but I think that with 3 osc, 'self' sync that use only one osc (like the an1x...), great mod matrix, 3 lfos and 6 env I could get pretty complex stuff anyway without layers... also, no keyboard split won't be that much of a problem anyway, in a 37 keys synth...

In the past, I was very interested in the Supernova, but a friend of
mine mentioned that you can actually hear the aliasing in the algorithm.

Now Novation may well have fixed this in the past 10 or so years, but
beware: specifications aren't everything when it comes to VA synths.

> I think I'll wait for it, before buying an an1x (unless a super deal occurs...)

The AN1x is just a very capable synth for not a lot of money. It doesn't
have dozens of polyphonic notes, but that's pretty useless anyway for a
analogue (whether real or virtual) synthesiser. There's a certain sound
to each synth, so to have four or five instances of that... it would
make more sense to expand the number of voices by acquiring a different
synth.

My wish list currently contains two synths:
* Nord Wave
* Arturia Origin

But since both cost about as much as I earn in a month after taxes, and
there are these things like mortgage and food for my family, they will
likely remain on that wish list for some time to come.

- Peter

Hi Fabio,

After hearing everyone's advice based on their experience, would it be
possible to tell us about your OB12? Have you been satisfied of this synth
so far?

I am curious because it is a synth I'd like to pick if I see one for cheap.

Thanks,

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Peter Korsten <peter@...>wrote:

>
>
> Op 25-9-2010 4:36, somethingkillingyou schreef:
>
>
> > ...or maybe I'll wait for the new novation ultranova, which is compact,
> has a vocoder, and being also an audio interface has 2 inputs so I could
> connect one of my synths in it (I have no more channels free in my mixer and
> audio interface)... its only real limitation is mono-timbrality... but I
> think that with 3 osc, 'self' sync that use only one osc (like the an1x...),
> great mod matrix, 3 lfos and 6 env I could get pretty complex stuff anyway
> without layers... also, no keyboard split won't be that much of a problem
> anyway, in a 37 keys synth...
>
> In the past, I was very interested in the Supernova, but a friend of
> mine mentioned that you can actually hear the aliasing in the algorithm.
>
> Now Novation may well have fixed this in the past 10 or so years, but
> beware: specifications aren't everything when it comes to VA synths.
>
>
> > I think I'll wait for it, before buying an an1x (unless a super deal
> occurs...)
>
> The AN1x is just a very capable synth for not a lot of money. It doesn't
> have dozens of polyphonic notes, but that's pretty useless anyway for a
> analogue (whether real or virtual) synthesiser. There's a certain sound
> to each synth, so to have four or five instances of that... it would
> make more sense to expand the number of voices by acquiring a different
> synth.
>
> My wish list currently contains two synths:
> * Nord Wave
> * Arturia Origin
>
> But since both cost about as much as I earn in a month after taxes, and
> there are these things like mortgage and food for my family, they will
> likely remain on that wish list for some time to come.
>
> - Peter
>
>



--
J�r�me St-Pierre


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Peter Korsten a écrit :

>
> Op 25-9-2010 4:36, somethingkillingyou schreef:
>
> > ...or maybe I'll wait for the new novation ultranova, which is
> compact, has a vocoder, and being also an audio interface has 2 inputs
> so I could connect one of my synths in it (I have no more channels
> free in my mixer and audio interface)... its only real limitation is
> mono-timbrality... but I think that with 3 osc, 'self' sync that use
> only one osc (like the an1x...), great mod matrix, 3 lfos and 6 env I
> could get pretty complex stuff anyway without layers... also, no
> keyboard split won't be that much of a problem anyway, in a 37 keys
> synth...
>
> In the past, I was very interested in the Supernova, but a friend of
> mine mentioned that you can actually hear the aliasing in the algorithm.
>
> Now Novation may well have fixed this in the past 10 or so years, but
> beware: specifications aren't everything when it comes to VA synths.
>

Yes, Fabio... first when it comes to music : listen and play, as much as
possible. And don't be fooled by the inflationnist specs, hundreds of
memories, waveforms, menus ... and all the marketing delirium. Guitar
players now turn "back to basics" with low wattage tube amps and simple
analog pedals, after an era of digital modelling multi effect pedals and
unusable huge amps .

>
>
> > I think I'll wait for it, before buying an an1x (unless a super deal
> occurs...)
>
> The AN1x is just a very capable synth for not a lot of money. It doesn't
> have dozens of polyphonic notes, but that's pretty useless anyway for a
> analogue (whether real or virtual) synthesiser. There's a certain sound
> to each synth, so to have four or five instances of that... it would
> make more sense to expand the number of voices by acquiring a different
> synth.
>

Right Peter... I've tried to mix different sound textures and synthesis
techniques, "analog" with my AN1x and Red Sound, phase distorsion with a
Casio CZ, wavetables with a Kawaï etc... All bought used at bargain
prices, for the same reasons than you, i'm now quite happy with this
modest and inexpensive gear... ;-)

>
>
> My wish list currently contains two synths:
> * Nord Wave
> * Arturia Origin
>

If this one was more reliable and a bit cheaper it would be a killer...
One of my favorites new synths with the new Prophet, but of course too
expensive for a hobbyist use.

>
>
> But since both cost about as much as I earn in a month after taxes, and
> there are these things like mortgage and food for my family, they will
> likely remain on that wish list for some time to come.
>
> - Peter
>

Cheers
J.F.

>
>

Jerome St-Pierre a écrit :

> Hi Fabio,
>
> After hearing everyone's advice based on their experience, would it be
> possible to tell us about your OB12? Have you been satisfied of this synth
> so far?
>
> I am curious because it is a synth I'd like to pick if I see one for cheap.
>

And me too, i missed to buy one of the last remaining on a well known
online store, sold at half the price as a demo instrument. I've heard
about a lot of reliability issues and countless software updates, but
its look is awesome and the sounds seemed impressive. Not so common on
the second hand market...

> Thanks,
>

Thanks too !
@+
J.F.

> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Peter Korsten<peter@...>wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Op 25-9-2010 4:36, somethingkillingyou schreef:
>>
>>
>>
>>> ...or maybe I'll wait for the new novation ultranova, which is compact,
>>>
>> has a vocoder, and being also an audio interface has 2 inputs so I could
>> connect one of my synths in it (I have no more channels free in my mixer and
>> audio interface)... its only real limitation is mono-timbrality... but I
>> think that with 3 osc, 'self' sync that use only one osc (like the an1x...),
>> great mod matrix, 3 lfos and 6 env I could get pretty complex stuff anyway
>> without layers... also, no keyboard split won't be that much of a problem
>> anyway, in a 37 keys synth...
>>
>> In the past, I was very interested in the Supernova, but a friend of
>> mine mentioned that you can actually hear the aliasing in the algorithm.
>>
>> Now Novation may well have fixed this in the past 10 or so years, but
>> beware: specifications aren't everything when it comes to VA synths.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I think I'll wait for it, before buying an an1x (unless a super deal
>>>
>> occurs...)
>>
>> The AN1x is just a very capable synth for not a lot of money. It doesn't
>> have dozens of polyphonic notes, but that's pretty useless anyway for a
>> analogue (whether real or virtual) synthesiser. There's a certain sound
>> to each synth, so to have four or five instances of that... it would
>> make more sense to expand the number of voices by acquiring a different
>> synth.
>>
>> My wish list currently contains two synths:
>> * Nord Wave
>> * Arturia Origin
>>
>> But since both cost about as much as I earn in a month after taxes, and
>> there are these things like mortgage and food for my family, they will
>> likely remain on that wish list for some time to come.
>>
>> - Peter
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

jp8000 is a nice sounding board but the an1x has more abilities as in sync
mode you get 3 osc and the use of noise plus am at the same time the jp if
you use noise you lose 1 of the osc

if you want to get into real va analog then get a dss1 korg

as this is a digital va section where you can make your own waveforms and is
the only sampler synth that has sync

you can use samples to and they have real analog filters

there is also a new 16mb upgrade and usb support with wave sample use from
pc

another good va synth is a k2000/k2500 you can pick these up pretty cheap

these sampler synths came out 7 to 10 years before the other makes and
models of va

the vast synth artitechture is very expessive especialy when used with
single cycle waves and the warp function you get very expessive fmtones with
very good modultion to pressue and velocity the only other synth that has
this feature is the korg 01/w

as anything its all in the programming

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> Hello !
> if you need another keyboard : AN1x . Very under rated instrument, can
> be cheap second hand, but very impressive despite its limitations (10
> note polyphony, "multi function" knobs). The keyboard itself is good
> too, not to firm but enough, with a good after touch. You can find a lot
> of demos on YouTube. Have a look at :
> http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/htm/an1x.php
> too.
>
> if you need only an expander : Novation Nova, but a bit too expensive
> and sounds too close to the Obie 12 IMHO.
>
> More "exotic" : Yamaha AN200 or RedSound Elevata. Both are expanders.
> The first one is "half an AN1x packed with a rythm machine". Very funny
> little box, but a bit too limited, more a "groove box" than a standalone
> synth
> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/an200.php
>
> The second is a rare english V.A. synth with its own sound, very "raw"
> and "old school", but it's a "hate it or love it" instrument. Very user
> friendly and flexible, multi timbral and 16 note polyphonic, but it has
> no in board effects, only a basic chorus / phasing, no 4 pole VCF. With
> this one : try it before buy, the sound is very special (of course most
> of the preset sucks, as on most synths...).
> http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/elevata.php
>
> I was very impressed by the Roland JP 8000 but the polyphony is only 8
> note, no after touch....one of the early VAs with the Nord Lead. I never
> tried Korg's VAs...
> Cheers.
> J.F.
>
> somethingkillingyou a écrit :
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
>>
>> now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
>>
>> since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
>>
>> I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
>> but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
>> or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...
>>
>> I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they
>> actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
>> waldorf q are out of my price range instead...
>>
>> so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?
>>
>> greetings
>>
>> Fabio
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi! The only advice that I would give is to definitely NOT buy anything made by novation. I have a friend who bought one and had a problem with it that cannot be fixed because the company no longer makes the parts. They do not offer support on their products. I think he spent close to 3,000 something on it and now one channel is completely distorted. I spoke to my repair tech the other day and asked him what synths are the easiest to service. He said Yamaha and Roland because the companies always can supply the needed parts. He said that the absolute worst are Novation and Korg.

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Peter Korsten <peter@...> wrote:
>
> Op 25-9-2010 4:36, somethingkillingyou schreef:
>
> > ...or maybe I'll wait for the new novation ultranova, which is compact, has a vocoder, and being also an audio interface has 2 inputs so I could connect one of my synths in it (I have no more channels free in my mixer and audio interface)... its only real limitation is mono-timbrality... but I think that with 3 osc, 'self' sync that use only one osc (like the an1x...), great mod matrix, 3 lfos and 6 env I could get pretty complex stuff anyway without layers... also, no keyboard split won't be that much of a problem anyway, in a 37 keys synth...
>
> In the past, I was very interested in the Supernova, but a friend of
> mine mentioned that you can actually hear the aliasing in the algorithm.
>
> Now Novation may well have fixed this in the past 10 or so years, but
> beware: specifications aren't everything when it comes to VA synths.
>
> > I think I'll wait for it, before buying an an1x (unless a super deal occurs...)
>
> The AN1x is just a very capable synth for not a lot of money. It doesn't
> have dozens of polyphonic notes, but that's pretty useless anyway for a
> analogue (whether real or virtual) synthesiser. There's a certain sound
> to each synth, so to have four or five instances of that... it would
> make more sense to expand the number of voices by acquiring a different
> synth.
>
> My wish list currently contains two synths:
> * Nord Wave
> * Arturia Origin
>
> But since both cost about as much as I earn in a month after taxes, and
> there are these things like mortgage and food for my family, they will
> likely remain on that wish list for some time to come.
>
> - Peter
>

the ob12 is a GREAT synth IMHO... maybe my favourite one!

I bought it new in 2005... my first synth... <3
at that time I wanted either it or the alesis andromeda: I was looking for a synth with a lot of knobs (and features)... the ob12 was a lot cheaper, so I went for it, and I have no regrets!

keep in mind that it was 2005: the one I bought already had the latest os ('cpu' and 'dsp' software revisions), so it was (almost...) bug-free compared to the ob12 of the year 2000...

frankly, I don't know why people bashed it for years and years...
maybe they cannot forgive viscount for using the oberheim name... well they're a bunch of assholes then, because it really is a fantastic synth, whatever its brand name... I judge a synth by its sound and versatility, not by its name or brand... one can also hate its sound of course, but I read countless reviews by people that obviuosly never spent more than 5 minutes with it and never touched a single knob while testing it... actually, most never played one, I'm sure!!! idiots!!!
http://jexus.id.uw.edu.pl/syntezatory_prv_pl/oberheim_ob12.htm
I totally agree with jexus on this one! (watch his youtube videos, and you'll have a grasp...)

now, here's a (quite) long ob12 review...

each oscillator is a mix of saw AND triangle AND pulse, so you can have a complex waveshape with just a single osc... you can choose the level for each waveforms, so you can add more odd harmonics to a sawtooth, with a square or a tringle wave (less odd harmonics in this case) or add complex pulse wave harmonics (pulse waves have even and odd harmonics whose spectrum look like formant peaks...)

in osc 1, you can change the shape of the saw, and using osc 1 alone with just the sawtooth wave can sound like 2 osc beating; you can change the shape of the triangle as well, and you'll get very harsh tones, similar to some ring modulation... you can change the shape of the pulse... of course you also get pulse width modulation (in osc 1 AND 2)... in oscillator common you get ring modulation and noise generator too...

there's osc sync (half my patches use osc sync actually... very cool) and FM for adding more inharmonic and metallic sounds... but beware of the levels for the 'carrier' and 'modulator' when turning the FM knob!!! you get a LOT of volume, well beyond the headroom -> clipping <-

you have complex (not just AD) pitch envelopes (one env for each osc); envelopes for filter and amp are DADBSR, but on the front panel you have ADSR (AD for pitch) envelopes, so if you want to edit the other levels/rates you have to go through the menus... which is easy, since touching a knob/slider show you the revelant synth section in the display, and you then go through its menu; usually everything is one click away... brilliant, since most of the time you want ADSR, not complex envelopes!

you have 2 lfos with common waveshapes (saw, triangle, square, random), but... you can filter the lfo, so you can change the waveshape of the lfo waveforms! you can choose lfo amount for both lfos in the various sections: separate osc 1 pitch and pwm amounts (osc 2 has the same options as osc 1), filter lfo modulation, amp lfo mod... PWM can use lfo 1 or 2 or osc env. generator...
lfo 1 has fade and delay time too!

the ob12 filter section is actually 2 filters; for each one you can choose among LP, BP and HP; you can set them in serial, parallel or split configuration... with split and parallel mode you have many options (which synth section goes into filter 1 and what into filter 2; the % of filter 1 and filter 2; adjust the cutoff of the second filter so that's not the same of the first one.... etc)...
the filter is REALLY versatile, but watch out, anyway: max resonance and full cutoff -> digital distortion mayhem... the woofers and tweeters of your monitors are in danger! also, in amp section ("vca")you can use auto-pan sync'ed to lfo...

you then have the eq (5 band graphic or 3 band parametric) and 4 routable effects (overdrive, chorus, delay reverb)... some fx parameters (let's say delay rate) may be linked to ext midi clock or to internal arpeggio clock or phrase recorder (read: phrase sequencer)...

the arpeggiator is the classic up/down/up& down/random, but also has 7 irregular arps, octaves transposition etc... with the phrase recorder (phrase sequencer) you can record riffs, link them to a pilot key and have them playing back as a single sequencer track... you have 4 sets and each set has 49 pilot keys (the ob12 is a 4 octaves key, you know)... you can use only one track anyway, and you can't use both the arp and the phrase at the same time)...

controls: you can route a lot of parameters to the aftertouch, velocity and ribbon controller... there's also morphing between 2 patches and motion recorder (2 recording slots) for tweakings' playback...

you also have a versatile unison mode, mono, legato playing... you can use a maximum of 4 part multi-timbrality etc...

and I'm sure I missed some of the countless features of the ob12...

believe me it is a really complex (read: versatile) synth and you can tweak out almost any sound you want... using the 4 multi-timbral parts, you can do wavetable like stuff (use different delay time in amp and filter envelopes for each part); of course you can have splits, layers etc...

with fm and ring modulator you can go very digital and wild ...
so it can be both 'analog' or digital or in between...

you'd be surprised by the vast palette of sounds you can obtain...
sure enough you have to love its sound, that's quite unique to it!

I'm 99% sure that the same may be said of the an1x anyway, but it really can't touch the obie interface...

anyway I think they're different enough sonically...

from what I can understand listening to an1x demos, the an1x is more 'polished' and 'nice' sounding... more 'fluid', 'liquid', while the OB12 is not so 'refined', it's more 'grainy' and lo-fi if you want...

I think they can complement each other very well in the end...

but I'd like to try that ultranova first :) I'll wait until it is availbale in shops, so I can have a test... not only the OB12 was my first synth, but it also was the only NEW synth I ever bought, and I think that having a synth that's not been messed up or abused by anyone is a pro definitely (I have much care of my synths)!!!


best regards,

Fabio

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:
>
> Jerome St-Pierre a écrit :
> > Hi Fabio,
> >
> > After hearing everyone's advice based on their experience, would it be
> > possible to tell us about your OB12? Have you been satisfied of this synth
> > so far?
> >
> > I am curious because it is a synth I'd like to pick if I see one for cheap.
> >
> And me too, i missed to buy one of the last remaining on a well known
> online store, sold at half the price as a demo instrument. I've heard
> about a lot of reliability issues and countless software updates, but
> its look is awesome and the sounds seemed impressive. Not so common on
> the second hand market...
> > Thanks,
> >
> Thanks too !
> @+
> J.F.
> > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Peter Korsten<peter@...>wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Op 25-9-2010 4:36, somethingkillingyou schreef:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> ...or maybe I'll wait for the new novation ultranova, which is compact,
> >>>
> >> has a vocoder, and being also an audio interface has 2 inputs so I could
> >> connect one of my synths in it (I have no more channels free in my mixer and
> >> audio interface)... its only real limitation is mono-timbrality... but I
> >> think that with 3 osc, 'self' sync that use only one osc (like the an1x...),
> >> great mod matrix, 3 lfos and 6 env I could get pretty complex stuff anyway
> >> without layers... also, no keyboard split won't be that much of a problem
> >> anyway, in a 37 keys synth...
> >>
> >> In the past, I was very interested in the Supernova, but a friend of
> >> mine mentioned that you can actually hear the aliasing in the algorithm.
> >>
> >> Now Novation may well have fixed this in the past 10 or so years, but
> >> beware: specifications aren't everything when it comes to VA synths.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I think I'll wait for it, before buying an an1x (unless a super deal
> >>>
> >> occurs...)
> >>
> >> The AN1x is just a very capable synth for not a lot of money. It doesn't
> >> have dozens of polyphonic notes, but that's pretty useless anyway for a
> >> analogue (whether real or virtual) synthesiser. There's a certain sound
> >> to each synth, so to have four or five instances of that... it would
> >> make more sense to expand the number of voices by acquiring a different
> >> synth.
> >>
> >> My wish list currently contains two synths:
> >> * Nord Wave
> >> * Arturia Origin
> >>
> >> But since both cost about as much as I earn in a month after taxes, and
> >> there are these things like mortgage and food for my family, they will
> >> likely remain on that wish list for some time to come.
> >>
> >> - Peter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

I really doesn't expect too much from the Ultranova. I have a Novation Nova and I can bet that Novation won't use
its engine (ASM) in this new synth. The specs does not match the original ones and have a really weak vocoder (16
bands, as their Liquid Analog Synths. The Nova have 40 bands).
The UltraNova have nice touches but only on its "hardware" (knobs), but I don't think it will be better than a Nova.

Put your money on a Nova or on an AN1x, you won't regret.

On the Korg's side, you may consider the Radias. I had one and it sounds good (4 timbres, 24 voices, programable
arp, large LCD, decent FX and looks good).

Cheers from Brazil,
Cláudio Falcão (CENOBITA)

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "phil_miller71" <phil_miller71@...> wrote:
>
> Novation have a new synth, the Ultranova, coming out towards the end of this year. When it does I expect the prices of Novas and Supernovas will fall, so it might be worth waiting for a couple of months if you're thinking of getting one.
>
> I have an AN1X, a Novation KS rack and an Akai Miniak. They are all decent synths for what I paid for them, but in terms of bang for buck I'd say the Miniak wins hands down, as they've been discontinued but you can still get them new for silly money. However, I'm guessing you want a synth with lots of knobs to twiddle?
>
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "somethingkillingyou" <somethingkillingyou@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
> >
> > now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
> >
> > since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
> >
> > I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
> > but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
> > or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...
> >
> > I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
> > waldorf q are out of my price range instead...
> >
> > so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?
> >
> > greetings
> >
> >
> > Fabio
> >
>

somethingkillingyou a écrit :

> maybe they cannot forgive viscount for using the oberheim name... well
> they're a bunch of assholes then, because it really is a fantastic
> synth, whatever its brand name..

The original company failed and has been bought by another..."corporate
adventures", don't mind. You're right Fabio.
One of Rick Wakeman's workhorses is a GEM Pro Mega, obviously he does
not matter if it is made here or there, even by a company synonym of
"cheap electronic organs". There is a lot of legends and mythology about
the early instruments and the companies that made them....

> anyway I think they're different enough sonically...

Right. Sometimes it remembers me my Red Sound Elevata (another synth
killed by the reviews critics....). The AN1x was designed having the
Prophet 5 in mind, some sounds are very close. A friend of mine had "the
real thing" a lot of years ago.... not very reliable too, unless you
have the last issue.

> I think they can complement each other very well in the end...

Yes. Because any instrument, even electronic, has its own limitations
(despite the claims of their manufacturers..) a good keyboard player has
to mix different sound textures from different synths into its own sounds.
Cheers
J.F.

I'm sorry if I'm not replying to everyone since this topic is getting bigger and bigger :)

the point is that I don't *need* another synth, I have virtually no more room for synths in fact, and in theory I have most of synthesis methods covered... but I wouldn't mind another VA, for some reasons (osc sync, PWM, fm, etc.)... then, I could think of a solution for the 'no more room' problem... :)

the synth I'm looking for should be somehow similar to the OB12 in terms of features (and the an1x is), but also similarly user friendly...

when you have to settle with only a small amount of knobs, I feel like the synth loose a lot of its potential, because you almost 'forget' about possibilities (modulation routings etc.)...

now, the new ultranova has a few knobs and function buttons (just like the an1x), but at least the knobs are above the display, so that under each knob you can read what it is actually doing in that situation, and the values you're entering... visually that's a LOT better than the an1x, where you have not this facility at a glance (functions printed on the synth top panel are not the same!!!)

I know that some of you suggested to stay away from novation, but I should had stay away from the ob12 too, and I'm happy I didn't!

let's wait and see what comes up... anyway I know I may be looking for an an1x in the near future :)


Fabio

to Jerome St Pierre,

hi, i use to MS2000 and AN2000, you said Ms2000 can send midi from seq. how do you make it? i cant after many trys, it coul help me thanks

m

--- El vie 24-sep-10, Jerome St-Pierre <jeromestpierre@...> escribió:

De: Jerome St-Pierre <jeromestpierre@...>
Asunto: Re: [AN1x] va synth advice
A: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: viernes, 24 de septiembre de 2010, 15:24

I first had a Roland SH-201 and the AN1x is about 10 times better for the
sound or to use as a controller.

I also have the MS2000R but I find the Yamaha is made more professional. It
can sound a lot like real analog. Unlike the MS2000 the step sequencer can
also send on MIDI. For 250 euros it's the best buy I ever made. It's also
very tough, I already dropped my case by accident. There is also enough
knobs, it's like having 48 knobs.

Le 24 sept. 2010 21:53, "somethingkillingyou" <somethingkillingyou@...> a
écrit :



Hi everyone,

I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...

now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...

since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?

I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...

I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they actually
do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
waldorf q are out of my price range instead...

so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?

greetings

Fabio




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Op 26-9-2010 14:40, somethingkillingyou schreef:

> the point is that I don't *need* another synth, I have virtually no more room for synths in fact, and in theory I have most of synthesis methods covered... but I wouldn't mind another VA, for some reasons (osc sync, PWM, fm, etc.)... then, I could think of a solution for the 'no more room' problem... :)

If you have virtually no space for another synth, maybe you need a
virtual synth?

Mind, I don't like them myself, but I do know people who have gone from
all hardware to largely software.

- Peter

To Manuel:

I was talking about the AN1x. Unlike the MS2000, the AN1x can send the
sequence notes over MIDI. This cannot be done with the MS2000 mod sequencer.

Le 27 sept. 2010 04:27, "manuel ramos" <manramneg@...> a écrit :



to Jerome St Pierre,

hi, i use to MS2000 and AN2000, you said Ms2000 can send midi from seq.
how do you make it? i cant after many trys, it coul help me thanks

m

--- El vie 24-sep-10, Jerome St-Pierre
<jeromestpierre@...<jeromestpierre%40gmail.com>>
escribió:

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A: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
Fecha: viernes, 24 de septiembre de 2010, 15:24



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On Fri Sep 24 2010, somethingkillingyou <somethingkillingyou@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
>
> now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
>
> since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
>

Considered DIY synths? There are a plethora of DIY synths around.

x0xb0x for a 303 clone, some people are making/designing 808/202
drummachines and others are using the venerable SID6581/8580 chips from
C64 fame for nice DIY synths.

I myself have bought and build a nice unit called sammichSID, which is a
stereo SID synth.
http://www.midibox.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=sammichsid
http://www.midibox.org/blog/?p=60

Midibox is a nice project in itself btw. It isn't really that
affordable, but the community is nice, and building your own hardware
has this added sense of accomplishent :) The sequencer looks like a
killer on the midibox platform, as well as the FM and SID synths.

Take a peek over at http://www.midibox.org and http://www.ucapps.de
(this is the rather technical site of things, with the design docs,
build walk throughs, demo's etc, whereas the midibox site is more a
community driven site, wiht a forum, wiki, blogroll etc)

Cheers,


Gerald

>
> If you have virtually no space for another synth, maybe you need a
> virtual synth?
>
> Mind, I don't like them myself, but I do know people who have gone from
> all hardware to largely software.

I love my hardware (AN1X and some other misc stuff) but there are a lot of freeware vsts worth owning. I've been fiddling with this one a lot lately - it sounds awesome.

http://www.home.no/gunnare/downloads.htm

you can find a lot of good vsts and they're so much more modular. One of my major problems with hardware is it's hard to get crazy chaining effects and modulators besides your synth (and I even have korg sx-1 sampler). in the computer/vst environment you can do whatever the heck you want quickly and easily. ....but that's a different argument.

Following you guys post and looking at all the other VA's that are out there, for the pricetag on the AN1X, you should definitely get it. you'll likely end up replacing one of your other more expensive boxes. It just sounds so good comparatively. I'd say the only other thing I saw scouring the web last night was the nord wave or the alesis micron/ion. the others (and even some of the expensive ones) just seemed cheesy and thin sounding. (imho)

In conclusion (i like saying that) the AN1X has all the features of a $2K box, but costs as much as a microkorg.... how could you go wrong?

software? no thanks. I use softwares for recording, mixing, mastering... but for audio only. when I want to play, I want no software around. I want no pc around.

anyway, I have no room left also because I just can't let the synths I have now to go... they're all functional in my music, and those that I'm not using very much right now, I know I will be using them in the future... if that would prove to be wrong, I may be selling something of course, but not now...

I've let some synths go in the past of course, but those I have right now, I know they will likely stay there, because each one has some features and some sound I can only get with it...

I have some room on my desk anyway...

guess what? an ultranova will fit there perfectly ahahah


Fabio

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Peter Korsten <peter@...> wrote:
>
> Op 26-9-2010 14:40, somethingkillingyou schreef:
>
> > the point is that I don't *need* another synth, I have virtually no more room for synths in fact, and in theory I have most of synthesis methods covered... but I wouldn't mind another VA, for some reasons (osc sync, PWM, fm, etc.)... then, I could think of a solution for the 'no more room' problem... :)
>
> If you have virtually no space for another synth, maybe you need a
> virtual synth?
>
> Mind, I don't like them myself, but I do know people who have gone from
> all hardware to largely software.
>
> - Peter
>

dont know if it was mentioned but the old juno 106 is a great real analog synth ,...plus the "synth spa" says that they have a method to bring back the voice and wave chips ,......









-----Original Message-----
From: somethingkillingyou <somethingkillingyou@...>
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Sep 24, 2010 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: [AN1x] va synth advice





hi, thanks for the advices!

I think that the an1x may be a really good solution...

...or maybe I'll wait for the new novation ultranova, which is compact, has a vocoder, and being also an audio interface has 2 inputs so I could connect one of my synths in it (I have no more channels free in my mixer and audio interface)... its only real limitation is mono-timbrality... but I think that with 3 osc, 'self' sync that use only one osc (like the an1x...), great mod matrix, 3 lfos and 6 env I could get pretty complex stuff anyway without layers... also, no keyboard split won't be that much of a problem anyway, in a 37 keys synth...

I think I'll wait for it, before buying an an1x (unless a super deal occurs...)

greetings

Fabio

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:
>
> Hello !
> if you need another keyboard : AN1x . Very under rated instrument, can
> be cheap second hand, but very impressive despite its limitations (10
> note polyphony, "multi function" knobs). The keyboard itself is good
> too, not to firm but enough, with a good after touch. You can find a lot
> of demos on YouTube. Have a look at :
> http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/htm/an1x.php
> too.
>
> if you need only an expander : Novation Nova, but a bit too expensive
> and sounds too close to the Obie 12 IMHO.
>
> More "exotic" : Yamaha AN200 or RedSound Elevata. Both are expanders.
> The first one is "half an AN1x packed with a rythm machine". Very funny
> little box, but a bit too limited, more a "groove box" than a standalone
> synth
> http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/an200.php
>
> The second is a rare english V.A. synth with its own sound, very "raw"
> and "old school", but it's a "hate it or love it" instrument. Very user
> friendly and flexible, multi timbral and 16 note polyphonic, but it has
> no in board effects, only a basic chorus / phasing, no 4 pole VCF. With
> this one : try it before buy, the sound is very special (of course most
> of the preset sucks, as on most synths...).
> http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/elevata.php
>
> I was very impressed by the Roland JP 8000 but the polyphony is only 8
> note, no after touch....one of the early VAs with the Nord Lead. I never
> tried Korg's VAs...
> Cheers.
> J.F.
>
> somethingkillingyou a écrit :
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
> >
> > now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
> >
> > since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
> >
> > I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
> > but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an option...
> > or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...
> >
> > I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they
> > actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
> > waldorf q are out of my price range instead...
> >
> > so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?
> >
> > greetings
> >
> > Fabio
> >
> >
>









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Jerome,

thanks its true. have good sound-days.

m



--- El lun 27-sep-10, Jerome St-Pierre <jeromestpierre@...> escribió:

De: Jerome St-Pierre <jeromestpierre@...>
Asunto: Re: [AN1x] va synth advice
A: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: lunes, 27 de septiembre de 2010, 2:12

















To Manuel:



I was talking about the AN1x. Unlike the MS2000, the AN1x can send the

sequence notes over MIDI. This cannot be done with the MS2000 mod sequencer.



Le 27 sept. 2010 04:27, "manuel ramos" <manramneg@...> a écrit :



to Jerome St Pierre,



hi, i use to MS2000 and AN2000, you said Ms2000 can send midi from seq.

how do you make it? i cant after many trys, it coul help me thanks



m



--- El vie 24-sep-10, Jerome St-Pierre

<jeromestpierre@...<jeromestpierre%40gmail.com>>

escribió:



De: Jerome St-Pierre <jeromestpierre@... <jeromestpierre%40gmail.com>>

Asunto: Re: [AN1x] va synth advice

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Fecha: viernes, 24 de septiembre de 2010, 15:24



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audiomad99@... a écrit :

> dont know if it was mentioned but the old juno 106 is a great real
> analog synth ,...plus the "synth spa" says that they have a method to
> bring back the voice and wave chips ,......

Our new colleague Fabio said "virtual analog" and was wondering about
AN1x, Novation, Korg Radias etc... So we answered "V.A.", with our
experience of one or another instrument.
Of course you have good "old school" analogs, but what about their price
and reliability ?
Another interesting website for old synths maintenance and repair :
http://www.analogia.pl/ either in polish (!) or english... Never dealed
with them but they look serious....
Cheers !
J.F.

There's a guy here in Brazil that make Juno's chips.

[]'s,
Cláudio Falcão (CENOBITA)
On Seg 27/09/10 1:53 PM , audiomad99@... sent:

> dont know if it was mentioned but the old juno 106 is a great real analog
> synth ,...plus the "synth spa" says that they have a method to bring back
> the voice and wave chips ,......
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: somethingkillingyou
> somethingkillingyou@...>
> To: AN1x-list@yah
> oogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Sep 24, 2010 10:36 pm
>
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] va synth advice
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> hi, thanks for the advices!
>
>
>
> I think that the an1x may be a really good solution...
>
>
>
> ...or maybe I'll wait for the new novation ultranova, which is compact, has
> a vocoder, and being also an audio interface has 2 inputs so I could
> connect one of my synths in it (I have no more channels free in my mixer
> and audio interface)... its only real limitation is mono-timbrality... but
> I think that with 3 osc, 'self' sync that use only one osc (like the
> an1x...), great mod matrix, 3 lfos and 6 env I could get pretty complex
> stuff anyway without layers... also, no keyboard split won't be that much
> of a problem anyway, in a 37 keys synth...
>
>
> I think I'll wait for it, before buying an an1x (unless a super deal
> occurs...)
>
>
> greetings
>
>
>
> Fabio
>
>
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yah
> oogroups.com, Jeff wrote:
> >
>
> > Hello !
>
> > if you need another keyboard : AN1x . Very under rated instrument, can
>
> > be cheap second hand, but very impressive despite its limitations (10
> > note polyphony, "multi function" knobs). The keyboard itself is good
> > too, not to firm but enough, with a good after touch. You can find a lot
>
> > of demos on YouTube. Have a look at :
>
> > http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/htm/an1x.php
> > too.
>
> >
>
> > if you need only an expander : Novation Nova, but a bit too expensive
> > and sounds too close to the Obie 12 IMHO.
>
> >
>
> > More "exotic" : Yamaha AN200 or RedSound Elevata. Both are expanders.
> > The first one is "half an AN1x packed with a rythm machine". Very funny
>
> > little box, but a bit too limited, more a "groove box" than a standalone
>
> > synth
>
> > http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/an200.php
> >
>
> > The second is a rare english V.A. synth with its own sound, very "raw"
>
> > and "old school", but it's a "hate it or love it" instrument. Very user
>
> > friendly and flexible, multi timbral and 16 note polyphonic, but it has
>
> > no in board effects, only a basic chorus / phasing, no 4 pole VCF. With
>
> > this one : try it before buy, the sound is very special (of course most
>
> > of the preset sucks, as on most synths...).
>
> > http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/elevata.php
> >
>
> > I was very impressed by the Roland JP 8000 but the polyphony is only 8
>
> > note, no after touch....one of the early VAs with the Nord Lead. I never
>
> > tried Korg's VAs...
>
> > Cheers.
>
> > J.F.
>
> >
>
> > somethingkillingyou a écrit :
>
> > >
>
> > > Hi everyone,
>
> > >
>
> > > I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
>
> > >
>
> > > now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
>
> > >
>
> > > since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
>
> > >
>
> > > I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
>
> > > but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an
> option...
> > > or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...
>
> > >
>
> > > I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they
> > > actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
>
> > > waldorf q are out of my price range instead...
>
> > >
>
> > > so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?
>
> > >
>
> > > greetings
>
> > >
>
> > > Fabio
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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WOW ,.... good to hear the juno revival is back in brazil!,....a little bit at least ,....

i shoulda read the original post better before i answered ,....va is def different ,...but gotta love the juno with the midi lush pads great gate,...and now the ability to keep it ticking with a rehab of chips,....seems that the biggest problem of the juno were the voice chips ,....






-----Original Message-----
From: CENOBITA <pinheadx@...>
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Sep 27, 2010 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: [AN1x] va synth advice





There's a guy here in Brazil that make Juno's chips.

[]'s,
Cláudio Falcão (CENOBITA)
On Seg 27/09/10 1:53 PM , audiomad99@... sent:

> dont know if it was mentioned but the old juno 106 is a great real analog
> synth ,...plus the "synth spa" says that they have a method to bring back
> the voice and wave chips ,......
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: somethingkillingyou
> somethingkillingyou@...>
> To: AN1x-list@yah
> oogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, Sep 24, 2010 10:36 pm
>
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] va synth advice
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> hi, thanks for the advices!
>
>
>
> I think that the an1x may be a really good solution...
>
>
>
> ...or maybe I'll wait for the new novation ultranova, which is compact, has
> a vocoder, and being also an audio interface has 2 inputs so I could
> connect one of my synths in it (I have no more channels free in my mixer
> and audio interface)... its only real limitation is mono-timbrality... but
> I think that with 3 osc, 'self' sync that use only one osc (like the
> an1x...), great mod matrix, 3 lfos and 6 env I could get pretty complex
> stuff anyway without layers... also, no keyboard split won't be that much
> of a problem anyway, in a 37 keys synth...
>
>
> I think I'll wait for it, before buying an an1x (unless a super deal
> occurs...)
>
>
> greetings
>
>
>
> Fabio
>
>
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yah
> oogroups.com, Jeff wrote:
> >
>
> > Hello !
>
> > if you need another keyboard : AN1x . Very under rated instrument, can
>
> > be cheap second hand, but very impressive despite its limitations (10
> > note polyphony, "multi function" knobs). The keyboard itself is good
> > too, not to firm but enough, with a good after touch. You can find a lot
>
> > of demos on YouTube. Have a look at :
>
> > http://www.deepsonic.ch/deep/htm/an1x.php
> > too.
>
> >
>
> > if you need only an expander : Novation Nova, but a bit too expensive
> > and sounds too close to the Obie 12 IMHO.
>
> >
>
> > More "exotic" : Yamaha AN200 or RedSound Elevata. Both are expanders.
> > The first one is "half an AN1x packed with a rythm machine". Very funny
>
> > little box, but a bit too limited, more a "groove box" than a standalone
>
> > synth
>
> > http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/an200.php
> >
>
> > The second is a rare english V.A. synth with its own sound, very "raw"
>
> > and "old school", but it's a "hate it or love it" instrument. Very user
>
> > friendly and flexible, multi timbral and 16 note polyphonic, but it has
>
> > no in board effects, only a basic chorus / phasing, no 4 pole VCF. With
>
> > this one : try it before buy, the sound is very special (of course most
>
> > of the preset sucks, as on most synths...).
>
> > http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/elevata.php
> >
>
> > I was very impressed by the Roland JP 8000 but the polyphony is only 8
>
> > note, no after touch....one of the early VAs with the Nord Lead. I never
>
> > tried Korg's VAs...
>
> > Cheers.
>
> > J.F.
>
> >
>
> > somethingkillingyou a écrit :
>
> > >
>
> > > Hi everyone,
>
> > >
>
> > > I have some synths, but only one is a VA (OB12)...
>
> > >
>
> > > now, I think that having another VA in my setup wouldn't hurt...
>
> > >
>
> > > since there are a lot of VAs out there, what's your advice!?
>
> > >
>
> > > I was considering an an1x or a korg prophecy...
>
> > > but also the novation nova (for a decent price) could be an
> option...
> > > or an alesis ion... there's also the ms2000...
>
> > >
>
> > > I won't consider clavia nords, they're too overpriced for what they
> > > actually do (limited)... same thing for access virus...
>
> > > waldorf q are out of my price range instead...
>
> > >
>
> > > so what's the best bang for the bucks in term of sound/features?
>
> > >
>
> > > greetings
>
> > >
>
> > > Fabio
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
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