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Anyone ever had any issues with loading multi's from an external 
sequencer?  I had all of my Multi's backed up in SX, however after 
initialising the XL-7 over the weekend, I'm unable to get them to load 
back into the XL-7.  Everything transferred back just fine, Presets, 
Patterns, etc.  But my Multi's won't transfer no matter what I do.  I have 
a track in SX with all of the multi's stored on that, and while I can see 
the MIDI out light in SX is showing me that the data is going out of SX, 
it's not being recognized by the XL-7.

Just me?

rEalm

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I don't know, maybe the device ID needs to be the same and the XL-7 device id
got reset?

Andre

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From: erik_magrini@... [mailto:erik_magrini@...]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:03 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Troubles loading Multi's from SX?


Anyone ever had any issues with loading multi's from an external
sequencer?  I had all of my Multi's backed up in SX, however after
initialising the XL-7 over the weekend, I'm unable to get them to load
back into the XL-7.  Everything transferred back just fine, Presets,
Patterns, etc.  But my Multi's won't transfer no matter what I do.  I have
a track in SX with all of the multi's stored on that, and while I can see
the MIDI out light in SX is showing me that the data is going out of SX,
it's not being recognized by the XL-7.

Just me?

rEalm

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hello group. 
can any one tell me how to restore the xl7 back to the factory presets
 i just got the xl7 yesterday it very new to new to me,please help.
                                                thanks .
                                                 andy

hello "M2"
 THANK YOU VERY MUCH..
                 andy. 

In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "M2" <mmcquay@s...> wrote:
> Taken from the FAQ in case you were having trouble finding it.
> 
> Power on the Command Station while holding down the two Cursor 
> buttons to boot into Diagnostic Mode. Now scroll the data wheel 
until 
> you get to the menu option "17 Erase All User Data", then press 
> ENTER. This will initialize all User data (Songs, Patterns, 
Presets, 
> Multisetups, User Arps, etc), so be sure you have backed up 
anything 

> you want to restore once this is done. 
> 
> Thanks to rEalm for putting it together.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "M2" <mmcquay@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/files/
> > 
> > "Command Sation FAQ"
> > 
> > The very first file in the above link gives you everything you 
> need.  
> > Check the question, click on it to take you to the answers.  
> > 
> > Note all cautions when doing this though.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "maianmusic" <maianmusic@y...> wrote:
> > >  hello group. 
> > > can any one tell me how to restore the xl7 back to the factory 
> > presets
> > >  i just got the xl7 yesterday it very new to new to me,please 
> help.
> > >                                                 thanks .
> > >                                                  andy

Yeah, it's strange for sure.  Played around with this one some more last 
night and couldn't get it working still.  I can back up and reload my 
Presets and User Arps with no problems using the exact same method, but 
Multi's won't reload.  Anyone at Emu had any experience with this?

rEalm






"Andre Lewis" <andrel@...>
06/30/2003 12:54 PM
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I don't know, maybe the device ID needs to be the same and the XL-7 device 
id
got reset?

Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: erik_magrini@... [mailto:erik_magrini@...]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:03 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Troubles loading Multi's from SX?


Anyone ever had any issues with loading multi's from an external
sequencer?  I had all of my Multi's backed up in SX, however after
initialising the XL-7 over the weekend, I'm unable to get them to load
back into the XL-7.  Everything transferred back just fine, Presets,
Patterns, etc.  But my Multi's won't transfer no matter what I do.  I have
a track in SX with all of the multi's stored on that, and while I can see
the MIDI out light in SX is showing me that the data is going out of SX,
it's not being recognized by the XL-7.

Just me?

rEalm

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BTW, there's no need to restore the Presets, they're always there.  You 
can't erase or overwrite the XL-7 ROM Presets, only the User Presets which 
are exact copies of the XL-7 ROM.  You could also the Bank Copy command in 
the Save Menu for this.

rEalm






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 hello group. 
can any one tell me how to restore the xl7 back to the factory presets
 i just got the xl7 yesterday it very new to new to me,please help.
                                                thanks .
                                                 andy



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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Yeah, it's strange for sure.  Played around with this one some more 
last 
> night and couldn't get it working still.  I can back up and reload 
my 
> Presets and User Arps with no problems using the exact same method, 
but 
> Multi's won't reload.  Anyone at Emu had any experience with this?
> 
> rEalm

Sorry to hear you are still having the problem.  I assume Andre's 
suggestion to check sysex device ID didn't help.  I'm reconfiguring 
my midi computer, so I can't work on the problem just now.  Perhaps 
this afternoon or tonight.  Can you either upload or e-mail me a 
sample multi.mid file?

I haven't saved multisetups via midi, yet.  But I see that you can 
only send the current setup.  Is it possible that the multisetups 
only go into a current buffer and not a RAM location?  If so, perhaps 
they need to be loaded one at a time and then saved.

Also, take a look at the sysex header.  What type of dump is it? (55h 
12h?  55h 1Ch?  other?) 

Hope this helps.

Dr. Steve
Also,

Sorry to hear you are still having the problem.  I assume Andre's 
suggestion to check sysex device ID didn't help. 

>>>I know nothing of sysex, no idea where to check this even. <<<

I'm reconfiguring my midi computer, so I can't work on the problem just 
now.  Perhaps this afternoon or tonight.  Can you either upload or e-mail 
me a sample multi.mid file?

>>>I'll bring them with me tomorrow. <<

Is it possible that the multisetups only go into a current buffer and not 
a RAM location?  If so, perhaps 
they need to be loaded one at a time and then saved.

>>>That's what I'm leaning towards thinking too, I was too tired last 
night to try this though.  Definitely doesn't save the Multi Names if this 
is the case though, and that could be a problem too.  I had a ton of 
multi's saved for various softsynths and Reason instruments, it would be a 
real pain to try and figure out which was which now. :( <<

Also, take a look at the sysex header.  What type of dump is it? (55h 12h? 
 55h 1Ch?  other?) 

>>>That looks like this to me: jhfjklsghlghsbgfafajksghf  :) <<<

Thanks for the help,
rEalm


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My simple test:  (1) transmit multi.syx to Cakewalk (2) restore to 
factory multi (3) transmit multi.syx from Cakewalk.  Note: I am not 
using sending a mid file; I am doing it from the sysex bank directly.

Results:  SOME current setup parameters changes (Xmit midi clock, 
tempo).  SOME parameters don't change (view angle).  Without 
checking, I would assume 90-99% of the parameters do go into the 
current multi buffer (based on my reading of the sysex manual).

>>>Thanks for testing this.  Kinda odd that all of the Multi parameters 
aren't saved though.  Especially the Multi name... <<<

Solution: Send and save each multisetup separately.

>>>Doh, too late for me ... :( <<<

Hope this helps.

>>>Definitely, thanks for checking for me. It's rare and very appreciated 
when "I'm" the one asking for help :) <<<<<

Nurse rEalm






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> My simple test:  (1) transmit multi.syx to Cakewalk (2) restore to 
> factory multi (3) transmit multi.syx from Cakewalk.  Note: I am not 
> using sending a mid file; I am doing it from the sysex bank
> directly.
> 
> Results:  SOME current setup parameters changes (Xmit midi clock, 
> tempo).  SOME parameters don't change (view angle).  Without 
> checking, I would assume 90-99% of the parameters do go into the 
> current multi buffer (based on my reading of the sysex manual).
> 
> Solution: Send and save each multisetup separately.
> 
> Problem:  If you have (or anyone else has) patterns where multis
> are called as prgram changes you will have a problem, unless you
> hand resave the multis in the same location

Additional thought:  From a studio/performance standpoint, the way E-
Mu did this (multis going to buffer) makes sense in that you would 
seem to be able to change multis on the fly from an external device.

Also, the sysex manual has several dump formats related to multisetup 
dumps.  (This is more than you probably need to know).
(1) Multimode map dump:  ". . . a minimal set of parameters used to 
configure multimode operation."
(2) Setup Dump containing master settings (except program/preset map 
and tuning tables).

I suspect the send current multisetup function dump is either a 
VARIATION of or the same as (2). The sysex manual confirms that only 
the current setup can be dumped.

There are sysex commands to copy the Master Setup (2) to and from the 
Setup Edit Buffer.  So, it MIGHT be possible to automate the process 
of saving Master Setups in a midi file, or with a program that 
receives and sends sysex data/commands.

I am trying to get back into midi programming with a mind towards 
writing some nifty utilities for the current Proteus line.  Perhaps 
my first test will be a program to get, save, load, and put banks of 
multisetup. (I've done assembly langauge midi bulk data dump 
programming for the Commodore 64 and for MS-DOS.

I don't know if I want to tackle a Windows User inteface.  So I'll 
either do it an MS-DOS utility or try to find someone who does 
Windows.  (Sorry, no Mac.)

Dr. Steve

Very cool man, glad we have someone here who knows this stuff.  It gets a 
bit deep for me at one point and then I can't be bothered ;)  The Multi 
utility sounds very cool, as would a way to do the same with Presets.  DOS 
or not, let me know if I can help at all, very interested in this!

rEalm



Additional thought:  From a studio/performance standpoint, the way E-
Mu did this (multis going to buffer) makes sense in that you would 
seem to be able to change multis on the fly from an external device.

Also, the sysex manual has several dump formats related to multisetup 
dumps.  (This is more than you probably need to know).
(1) Multimode map dump:  ". . . a minimal set of parameters used to 
configure multimode operation."
(2) Setup Dump containing master settings (except program/preset map 
and tuning tables).

I suspect the send current multisetup function dump is either a 
VARIATION of or the same as (2). The sysex manual confirms that only 
the current setup can be dumped.

There are sysex commands to copy the Master Setup (2) to and from the 
Setup Edit Buffer.  So, it MIGHT be possible to automate the process 
of saving Master Setups in a midi file, or with a program that 
receives and sends sysex data/commands.

I am trying to get back into midi programming with a mind towards 
writing some nifty utilities for the current Proteus line.  Perhaps 
my first test will be a program to get, save, load, and put banks of 
multisetup. (I've done assembly langauge midi bulk data dump 
programming for the Commodore 64 and for MS-DOS.

I don't know if I want to tackle a Windows User inteface.  So I'll 
either do it an MS-DOS utility or try to find someone who does 
Windows.  (Sorry, no Mac.)

Dr. Steve



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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:

> >>>Thanks for testing this.  Kinda odd that all of the Multi
> parameters aren't saved though.  Especially the Multi name... <<<

I just checked.  Xmit curent multi does send Name to your storage 
device. The E-Mu also RECEIVES the name and location!!!!

If multis are saved indivudually, I think they can be sent to the E-
Mu and then saved in the right locations using the RESTORE SETUP and 
SAVE SETUP menus.  You can also save them to different locations.

1. Select RESTORE MULTISETUP menu. 
2. Send multi.syx to E-Mu. Jot down multi number.
3. Select SAVE SETUP TO menu.
4. Change multi number to desired location.
5. Press Enter to save.

> Solution: Send and save each multisetup separately.
> 
> >>>Doh, too late for me ... :( <<<

If you still have the MID file, all is not lost.  What software did 
you use to save the multis?  Does it allow you to send syx banks 
separately?  Even if not, it might be very possible to extract the 
multis (and create a MID file that will put those tricky multis in 
their place).

> Hope this helps.
> 
> >>>Definitely, thanks for checking for me. It's rare and very
> appreciated when "I'm" the one asking for help :) <<<<<
> 
> Nurse rEalm
    8-)>

Glad to help.  (My payoff is that I get to feel useful, I learn about 
the gear, and I move in the direction of desiging some utilities--
another aspect of creativity.)

The Dr.

I just checked.  Xmit curent multi does send Name to your storage device. 
The E-Mu also RECEIVES the name and location!!!!

>>>Hmmm, I'll have to check my SX file again then. Weird that it would 
send the Preset info ok though, but not the Multi's... <<<

If multis are saved indivudually, I think they can be sent to the E-
Mu and then saved in the right locations using the RESTORE SETUP and 
SAVE SETUP menus.  You can also save them to different locations.

1. Select RESTORE MULTISETUP menu. 
2. Send multi.syx to E-Mu. Jot down multi number.
3. Select SAVE SETUP TO menu.
4. Change multi number to desired location.
5. Press Enter to save.

>>>Ah, so you have to be in the Restore Multi menu to receive the Multi? 
<<<

If you still have the MID file, all is not lost.  What software did  you 
use to save the multis?  Does it allow you to send syx banks separately? 
Even if not, it might be very possible to extract the multis (and create a 
MID file that will put those tricky multis in their place).

>>>It's all in SX on one long MIDI track, no idea on the sysex banks 
seperate question though.  The sysex handling in SX isn't that great if 
you ask me, very cumbersome.  I'll see if I can slice it up into seperate 
files though, I think I left enough space inbetween each multi for this. 
<<<

Glad to help.  (My payoff is that I get to feel useful, I learn about the 
gear, and I move in the direction of desiging some utilities--another 
aspect of creativity.)

>>>Same here, I look forward to helping people out when I can.  Though now 
I will spend my free time today lpaying with this Mulit madness and not 
writing music :)  Thanx again for your help, I be spending some more time 
with this tonight.  If worse comes to worse I can try and send the midi 
file from another app.  Wish Emu would release a way to back up THE ENTIRE 
MACHINE in one go.  Would save me loads of time.... <<<

rEalm







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No, multi.syx can be received from other menus.  I just suggested being at 
the Restore menu so you can see the number that the multi was assigned to 
when you saved it (so you can save it to the same location).  BTW, if you 
send multi.syx while other stuff is going on (pattern play/audtion/etc.) 
you may get undesirable results.  :-(

>>>Right, I wouldn't be plaing the XL-7 while trying to send it sysex :) 
<<<

I'm not sure what SX is, but if you can do it that way great.

>>>Steinberg's Cubase SX.  Beginning to think this might be a SX issue and 
not a XL-7 one after playing with it some more last night.  I can see the 
Multi data and even the names of the Multi's in SX's sysex editor, but it 
still won't send it to my midi out port, even if I split them up 
individually.  Anyone know of a free app that will send midi files?  I 
heard that Media Player does this, but I couldn't find the option to 
select a MIDI port anywhere in that program???? <<<

If you get to the point where you'd rather be making music ;-0 I'd be 
willing to try extracting the multis with debug (or perhaps with an old 
version of Cakewalk).

>>>Thanks, on their way to you as we speak (er...type) <<<

Hmmmm.  Maybe I should be asking people on the board what features they 
might want in a standalone computer utlity.  I'll put complete 
backup/restore (except for viewing angle) on the wish list.

>>>
- A bulk dump all feature, something that will store EVERYTHING in the 
XX-7's in one go, regardless of how long it takes.
- Bulk dump all Presets.
- Preset Librarian faetures, making it easier to reorganize your Presets. 
<<<

(Perhaps someone at E-Mu is working on E-Loader 2.0 to include this and 
other features using the USB port.)

>>>Very doubtful, haven't even heard from Scott Ruda (E-Loader designer) 
in a long time. <<<

rEalm







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> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > Sorry to hear you are still having the problem. I assume Andre's 
> > suggestion to check sysex device ID didn't help. 
> > 
> > >>>I know nothing of sysex, no idea where to check this even. <<<
> 

The Device ID for the XL7, under the Midi menu. I suspect that the multi's you sent had the device ID in them and your's wasn't set to the factory default of 00 or 16 when you recorded them. Then afterwards you did a system restore and your device ID changed. Now your XL7 will ignore all the restore info from the old device ID. Solution: try all the device ID's until one works ... ;) 

Course I haven't finished reading all the emails yet so I don't know whether you got this fixed. Also to look at the sysex you can use E Loader, it's one of the tools loaded with it.

Hope this helps,

Andre

> 
> I don't know if I want to tackle a Windows User inteface.  So I'll 
> either do it an MS-DOS utility or try to find someone who does 
> Windows.  (Sorry, no Mac.)
> 
  I am a windows programmer!  Need some GUI?

Andre

----- Original Message ----- 

  From: erik_magrini@... 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: Troubles loading Multi's from SX?


  >>>Steinberg's Cubase SX.  Beginning to think this might be a SX issue and 
  not a XL-7 one after playing with it some more last night.  I can see the 
  Multi data and even the names of the Multi's in SX's sysex editor, but it 
  still won't send it to my midi out port, even if I split them up 
  individually.  Anyone know of a free app that will send midi files?  I 
  heard that Media Player does this, but I couldn't find the option to 
  select a MIDI port anywhere in that program???? <<<


  Ive used Windows media player to upgrade the virus os, and It seems to work fine. to set up the midi routing correctly you have to go into the control panel and look in the sounds and audio devices. Under the audio tab there is a window to select the default midi playback device. Like I said it worked fine with my MOTU MIDI Express XT when sonar would not, Id give it a try! 

  LaAter,
  Evan






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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Evan Riley" <NuIndustry1@m...> wrote:
> Ive used Windows media player to upgrade the virus os, and It 
seems to work fine. to set up the midi routing correctly you have to 
go into the control panel and look in the sounds and audio devices. 
Under the audio tab there is a window to select the default midi 
playback device. Like I said it worked fine with my MOTU MIDI Express 
XT when sonar would not, Id give it a try! 

I can confirmation this approach [for sending sysex data] using:
--Windows Media Player 6.01 [older than current version]
--Win98SE

(1) Go into: Settings | Control Panel | Multimedia | MIDI output 
(2) Set to PC's external midi out port.