Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Now it all comes clear, I understand it.  The Java spec doesn't have any way to
read in events from a midi port!  Yikes.  No way to get two way communications
between them.  I mean I am looking into this, but it seams like EMU's strategy
is to use Java for their software.  No way for them to fix this until people
stop trying to turn Java into a game development platform and make it less
gamecentric...!  Yipes.

Unless of course I am missing something, I would love to have someone show me
how to recieve realtime messages from an external keyboard via Java and
Midi....,
Anyone?

Bueller?

Andre Lewis

The Java SDK doesn't care about MIDI communication. You need to write 
your own native dll or look out for some 3rd party MIDI toolkit, 
which are available on the net (here's one for example: 
http://www.mcnabb.com/software/fantasia/). But they will probably use 
their own native dlls for this, so platform independancy depends on 
the support from the toolkit-supplier.

Holger


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Andre Lewis" <andrel@s...> wrote:
> Now it all comes clear, I understand it.  The Java spec doesn't 
have any way to
> read in events from a midi port!  Yikes.  No way to get two way 
communications
> between them.  I mean I am looking into this, but it seams like 
EMU's strategy
> is to use Java for their software.  No way for them to fix this 
until people
> stop trying to turn Java into a game development platform and make 
it less
> gamecentric...!  Yipes.
> 
> Unless of course I am missing something, I would love to have 
someone show me
> how to recieve realtime messages from an external keyboard via Java 
and

> Midi....,
> Anyone?
> 
> Bueller?
> 
> Andre Lewis

Java 1.3 implements some of the midi functionality for midi 1.0, namely midi
file opening / saving and transmiting, setting events controller listeners etc.
but as far as I can tell there is no way to poll a device and get messages in
realtime.  I wouldn't want to use custom DLL's since it sort of defeats the
purpose of using Java.

Thanks for the link, looks interesting

Cheers,
Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: sonofblagger [mailto:sonofblagger@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 1:27 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: Patch editors for XL7


The Java SDK doesn't care about MIDI communication. You need to write
your own native dll or look out for some 3rd party MIDI toolkit,
which are available on the net (here's one for example:
http://www.mcnabb.com/software/fantasia/). But they will probably use
their own native dlls for this, so platform independancy depends on
the support from the toolkit-supplier.

Holger


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Andre Lewis" <andrel@s...> wrote:
> Now it all comes clear, I understand it.  The Java spec doesn't
have any way to
> read in events from a midi port!  Yikes.  No way to get two way
communications
> between them.  I mean I am looking into this, but it seams like
EMU's strategy
> is to use Java for their software.  No way for them to fix this
until people
> stop trying to turn Java into a game development platform and make
it less
> gamecentric...!  Yipes.
>
> Unless of course I am missing something, I would love to have
someone show me
> how to recieve realtime messages from an external keyboard via Java
and
> Midi....,
> Anyone?
>
> Bueller?
>
> Andre Lewis



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I thought it was since JDK1.4?
http://www.geocities.com/ggehnen/

When it comes to synth editor, we could start from this:
http://www.overwhelmed.org/jsynthlib/

sonofblagger wrote:
> The Java SDK doesn't care about MIDI communication.
-- 
Sebastien,
-=-=-=-=-=
Beware of Geeks bearing gifs.

I know that the guys are very busy at emu.  but it would be super 
cool if they had an editor for the command stations.  I wonder if 
that's what E5 is supposed to be.  Whatever happened to e5 anyway??


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "sonofblagger" <sonofblagger@y...> wrote:
> The Java SDK doesn't care about MIDI communication. You need to 
write 
> your own native dll or look out for some 3rd party MIDI toolkit, 
> which are available on the net (here's one for example: 
> http://www.mcnabb.com/software/fantasia/). But they will probably 
use 
> their own native dlls for this, so platform independancy depends 
on 
> the support from the toolkit-supplier.
> 
> Holger
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Andre Lewis" <andrel@s...> wrote:
> > Now it all comes clear, I understand it.  The Java spec doesn't 
> have any way to
> > read in events from a midi port!  Yikes.  No way to get two way 
> communications
> > between them.  I mean I am looking into this, but it seams like 
> EMU's strategy
> > is to use Java for their software.  No way for them to fix this 
> until people
> > stop trying to turn Java into a game development platform and 
make 
> it less
> > gamecentric...!  Yipes.
> > 
> > Unless of course I am missing something, I would love to have 
> someone show me
> > how to recieve realtime messages from an external keyboard via 
Java 

> and
> > Midi....,
> > Anyone?
> > 
> > Bueller?
> > 
> > Andre Lewis

Finally got the nerve to plug this CD to all you guys.

http://www.ampcast.com/music/5560/albums.php

My new CD, "Cubeworld Vacation" features my Emu XL-7 on "Procedural," 
my Electribe on "Laughing Targets" and my HPD-15 Handsonic on various 
tracks throughout.

It's a compilation of the tracks I've done since "Ayatollah of 
Understatement," which I still consider to be a damn fine album.

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In a message dated 6/15/03 10:48:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
just-john@... writes:

> It's a compilation of the tracks I've done since "Ayatollah of 
> Understatement," which I still consider to be a damn fine album.
> 

modest too!!!!!


plastic


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>In a message dated 6/15/03 10:48:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>just-john@... writes:
>
>>  It's a compilation of the tracks I've done since "Ayatollah of
>>  Understatement," which I still consider to be a damn fine album.
>>
>
>modest too!!!!!
>
>plastic


Yupper!  Nothing but the best, high-grade modesty from me!

My humility kicks ass!

(Mine, mostly.)

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