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Drum methodology

2003-05-07 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Hmm, already done this few times, but here goes (this is only MY 
methodology, I'm sure there's tons more)...

- I typically start out by assigning one of the prc Presets to each of the 
1st four tracks.  IE, Track 1 gets a prc:Kicks Preset, Track 2 gets a 
prc:Snares Preset, Tracks 3 and 4 share a prc:Hats Preset.  My default 
000:0 Pattern actually has these assigned already to save me time.

- Next I save each preset as a User preset based on the Pattern name.  For 
instance, on my song Composite Blue, I'd have Blue BD, Blue Snare, Blue 
HH's, etc.  That way I can tweak the Presets and save the results very 
quickly once I start writing, without having to worry about overwriting 
another user location.  This is just prep work to speed things up later on 
when I'm in the groove and don't want to stop for XL-7 housekeeping 
duties.  :)

- Next I begin with a basic BD and Snare pattern using Grid Record based 
on the type of song I'm doing.  For a 4/4 song, this would be BD's on the 
1,5,9, and 13, with Snares on the 5 and 13.  For breaks stuff, it would be 
BD's on the 1 and 11, Snares on the 5 and 13.  This is just something to 
get me started, a template to play over if you will.  All of this is in a 
1 measure pattern still.

- The next step is to work on layering the BD and Snare presets.  I go 
into the Save menu, and copy the Layer and Cords from Layer 1 to Layer 2 
on both the BD and Snare Presets, then Save them.  Next I'll start playing 
with the Transpose settings of Layer 2 in both Presets, which effectively 
changes the sample used on that layer since I'm using a prc Preset 
dedicated to those type of sounds.  I'll keep playing with this, changing 
the Amp Vol between the two layers until I get something full and clear 
sounding that fits what I'm trying to do, then I save.

- Next I'll Extend the Pattern to 8 measures, and start working on the 
actual programming of notes.  I tend to use Grid mode to get the rough 
ideas down, from there I use Note List editor to add subtle variations in 
velocity as needed. 

- I'll probably start doing the HH stuff too at this point.  Closed HH's 
go on track 3, Open HH's go on Track 4.  I sometimes play them in manually 
via the key pads or if I have a specific idea I may just Grid Record them 
too.  Once I get a HH pattern I'm happy with, I'll use the Save menu to 
copy the layer and cords for this Preset too, though I don't always select 
a new sample in Layer 2, I'll just use a duplicate of Layer 1.  As always, 
it depends on the track.

- After I'm happy with the basics of the drum tracks, I apply a slight 
amount of Shuffle quantize to loosen things up.  I find that this setting 
[Res 16, Amnt 60-65, and Swing 53-55] works the best for most of my stuff. 
 For some of my breaks stuff, I might use more swing, hard techno gets 
less.

- That's about it for the basics, after this I'll add other percussion 
sounds for more variety, probably some crash cymbals at the start of the 
measure and maybe every 8th measure, etc.  Just depends on what I'm trying 
to do.




Speaking of which, rEalm, can u post the methodology for making drum 
patterns 
out of waveforms.  i remember awhile back u posted the means to create 
drums 
(basslines?) out of waveforms and it sounded really dope.  thanks..




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Re: Drum methodology

2003-05-07 by drewaight1

rEalm you are so fukking fresh.
I wish someone would start a rEalm religion.

Re: [xl7] Drum methodology

2003-05-07 by biz@groovetronica.com

Yes. Thanks for this excellent toilet paper, erik.


By toilet paper, I mean article that I will print out and put in the folder next to my bathroom, for extended reading :> 

bIz
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  Subject: [xl7] Drum methodology


  Hmm, already done this few times, but here goes (this is only MY 
  methodology, I'm sure there's tons more)...

  - I typically start out by assigning one of the prc Presets to each of the 
  1st four tracks.  IE, Track 1 gets a prc:Kicks Preset, Track 2 gets a 
  prc:Snares Preset, Tracks 3 and 4 share a prc:Hats Preset.  My default 
  000:0 Pattern actually has these assigned already to save me time.

  - Next I save each preset as a User preset based on the Pattern name.  For 
  instance, on my song Composite Blue, I'd have Blue BD, Blue Snare, Blue 
  HH's, etc.  That way I can tweak the Presets and save the results very 
  quickly once I start writing, without having to worry about overwriting 
  another user location.  This is just prep work to speed things up later on 
  when I'm in the groove and don't want to stop for XL-7 housekeeping 
  duties.  :)

  - Next I begin with a basic BD and Snare pattern using Grid Record based 
  on the type of song I'm doing.  For a 4/4 song, this would be BD's on the 
  1,5,9, and 13, with Snares on the 5 and 13.  For breaks stuff, it would be 
  BD's on the 1 and 11, Snares on the 5 and 13.  This is just something to 
  get me started, a template to play over if you will.  All of this is in a 
  1 measure pattern still.

  - The next step is to work on layering the BD and Snare presets.  I go 
  into the Save menu, and copy the Layer and Cords from Layer 1 to Layer 2 
  on both the BD and Snare Presets, then Save them.  Next I'll start playing 
  with the Transpose settings of Layer 2 in both Presets, which effectively 
  changes the sample used on that layer since I'm using a prc Preset 
  dedicated to those type of sounds.  I'll keep playing with this, changing 
  the Amp Vol between the two layers until I get something full and clear 
  sounding that fits what I'm trying to do, then I save.

  - Next I'll Extend the Pattern to 8 measures, and start working on the 
  actual programming of notes.  I tend to use Grid mode to get the rough 
  ideas down, from there I use Note List editor to add subtle variations in 
  velocity as needed. 

  - I'll probably start doing the HH stuff too at this point.  Closed HH's 
  go on track 3, Open HH's go on Track 4.  I sometimes play them in manually 
  via the key pads or if I have a specific idea I may just Grid Record them 
  too.  Once I get a HH pattern I'm happy with, I'll use the Save menu to 
  copy the layer and cords for this Preset too, though I don't always select 
  a new sample in Layer 2, I'll just use a duplicate of Layer 1.  As always, 
  it depends on the track.

  - After I'm happy with the basics of the drum tracks, I apply a slight 
  amount of Shuffle quantize to loosen things up.  I find that this setting 
  [Res 16, Amnt 60-65, and Swing 53-55] works the best for most of my stuff. 
  For some of my breaks stuff, I might use more swing, hard techno gets 
  less.

  - That's about it for the basics, after this I'll add other percussion 
  sounds for more variety, probably some crash cymbals at the start of the 
  measure and maybe every 8th measure, etc.  Just depends on what I'm trying 
  to do.




  Speaking of which, rEalm, can u post the methodology for making drum 
  patterns 
  out of waveforms.  i remember awhile back u posted the means to create 
  drums 
  (basslines?) out of waveforms and it sounded really dope.  thanks..




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Re: [xl7] Re: Drum methodology

2003-05-07 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Are you being sarcastic?

rEalm





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rEalm you are so fukking fresh.
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Re: Drum methodology

2003-05-07 by drewaight1

Nope. I dont know what bIz is talking about. I fukkin printed that 
post. I especially like the Idea of naming your presets with the song 
name, my user presets are a mess, I dont even know which ones ive 
saved.
The XX-7 is very complicated, and walk-thrus are totally helpful IMHO.

Re: [xl7] Re: Drum methodology

2003-05-07 by biz@groovetronica.com

I too, printed that out. 

As I said, I keep it next to my bathroom, with all the other important tips I have printed out. Not everyone writes a tip worth putting in that folder.

You guys take yourselves >way< too seriously. 

I'm warning you - Don't make me get out the poll!

bIz
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  Nope. I dont know what bIz is talking about. I fukkin printed that 
  post. I especially like the Idea of naming your presets with the song 
  name, my user presets are a mess, I dont even know which ones ive 
  saved.
  The XX-7 is very complicated, and walk-thrus are totally helpful IMHO.




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Re: [xl7] Re: Drum methodology

2003-05-08 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Yeah, drK pointed this one out to me when I first got the XL-7, and it 
helps a lot.  I save all of my presets with some reference to the Pattern 
they are used in, and I save all of my presets seperately for each pattern 
too.  That way I can fire up any pattern and know I don't have have to 
worry about tweaking and saving a Preset that's used in another Pattern. 

Here's another housekeeping tip I use a lot.  Make yourself a spreadsheet 
that has cells for all of your presets.  IE, 000:0-127:0, 000:1-127:1, 
etc.  Don't worry about filling in the Preset names, just make a table 
that has the actual Preset numbers listed.  With this in hand, you can go 
through each Pattern and cross out the Preset numbers being used on each 
Track.  I find it easiest to put the view on Preset, then just use the 
Channel/Track up and down buttons to scroll through each track (check your 
mute buttons to see which tracks actually have data on them too).  Anyway, 
this allows you to cross out all of the Presets that you're actually 
USING, leaving the Presets that aren't saved as part of Pattern uncrossed. 
 Once I have gone through all of my Patterns, I'll then copy the default 
Preset to all of the uncrossed User locations.  This way, I get rid of 
Presets I'm not using, and then when i am working on the Xl-7 and need to 
save a Preset, I can just start at location 000:0 and scroll until I see 
the next location where the Default Preset is stored.  The procedure only 
takes 20-30 minutes depending on how many Patterns you have.  A good 
project for those days when you're just not wanting to do music....

rEalm



I especially like the Idea of naming your presets with the song 
name, my user presets are a mess, I dont even know which ones ive 
saved.






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Re: [xl7] Re: Drum methodology

2003-05-08 by Wesley D

Someone mentioned turning waves into drum samples, or vice versa.
ReAlm know how to do this?  Do tell, do tell, I didn't catch it.

peace, Wesley D.
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Re: [xl7] Re: Drum methodology

2003-05-08 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

You can only do it with an Emu Ultra smapler, and the Emu Flash Rom. There 
is no other way and there never will be. 

rEalm




Someone mentioned turning waves into drum samples, or vice versa.
ReAlm know how to do this?  Do tell, do tell, I didn't catch it.

peace, Wesley D.
www.evolbeats.com

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Re: [xl7] Re: Drum methodology

2003-05-08 by Wesley D

well damn...

I always knew there something more to those things than meets the eye.  Definitely on my list of things to aquire.

Any particular one you'd recommend. 
The 6400 Ultra was my pick. later, Wesley D.
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Re: [xl7] Re: Drum methodology

2003-05-08 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Depends on your needs, be sure to check the Emu site, they have some 
refurbished ones for cheap...

rEalm





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well damn...

I always knew there something more to those things than meets the eye. 
Definitely on my list of things to aquire.

Any particular one you'd recommend. 
The 6400 Ultra was my pick. later, Wesley D.
www.evolbeats.com

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