Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

In short what I hear in the phones don't match what comes off the 
mains.

This is how I have it set up.  I have the mains going out into my 
mixer.  Off sub 1 I am running a send return loop to a reverb rack.  
And I am using sub3 as a return from my E5000.  

when i plug into the phones all is good.  when I plug into the mixer 
All the sounds off the E5000 are in mono and are too quite in the mix.

I just don't get it.  I guess I can just go off the phones out but 
that just seems stupid.  Also It would be best to have the phones for 
a moniter in a club.

Anyone have any idea of what is going on?

Peace 

Mike

Mike,

Just as the Ensoniq ASR-X, the outputs on the MP/XL are quite a bit 
hotter than the usual devices...you will also notice that the XL?MP 
is quite full of really potentially dangerous to monitor sound 
artifacts such as pops and clips.  Turn the volume to 3/4 the way on 
when sending this things output signal to anything in your rig.  As 
far as the internal sound being different from what comes out the 
main out jacks; yes, there is a difference, the output is seemingly 
EQ'd in a grungy undesirable way, heavy almost muddy lows with 
degraded highs...hmmm, but let's not forget headphones and speakers 
are and will always be indisputably different in frequency handling, 
and depending on stereo placement of speakers the stereo will not be 
rendered quite as well as having a set of cans placed directly over 
each ear.  Hope this helps somewhat.

TIK777

TIK777, Mike

I've noticed the XL7 clicking and popping even when I
run certain phrases from certain sounds through a
preamp that can handle some serious gain. I'm
hazarding a guess that the mains preamp on the XL7
can't handle the sound. Turning down the main volume
does take care of this. Better too hot a sound than
have the life compressed out of it.

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TIK777
 
Thanks for the reply.

Yes it is a hot box but that is not what I am talking about here.
I am listening through hedphones straight off my mixer and I am using 
a Mackie so it seems to handle the heat just fine.

What is happening is the sound that comes off the E5000 (that is 
running in as a return)are all in mono.  And the fx are different 
from the XL as well.

I totaly don't get it.  I am not talking about a subtle sonic 
difference I am saying it is like i am running off a FX send or 
sompthing

--- In xl7@y..., heretik7@h... wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> Just as the Ensoniq ASR-X, the outputs on the MP/XL are quite a bit 
> hotter than the usual devices...you will also notice that the XL?MP 
> is quite full of really potentially dangerous to monitor sound 
> artifacts such as pops and clips.  Turn the volume to 3/4 the way 
on 
> when sending this things output signal to anything in your rig.  As 
> far as the internal sound being different from what comes out the 
> main out jacks; yes, there is a difference, the output is seemingly 
> EQ'd in a grungy undesirable way, heavy almost muddy lows with 
> degraded highs...hmmm, but let's not forget headphones and speakers 
> are and will always be indisputably different in frequency 
handling, 
> and depending on stereo placement of speakers the stereo will not 
be 

> rendered quite as well as having a set of cans placed directly over 
> each ear.  Hope this helps somewhat.
> 
> TIK777

Yeah same here, got the clicking and popping this weekend too.  I thought 
it was my sound card at first, surprised the XL can't handle it's own 
output.

rEalm



I've noticed the XL7 clicking and popping even when I run certain phrases 
from certain sounds through a preamp that can handle some serious gain. 
I'm hazarding a guess that the mains preamp on the XL7 can't handle the 
sound.

Are you using TRS cables (stereo) or ordinary 1/4" patch cords (mono)?

rEalm



What is happening is the sound that comes off the E5000 (that is 
running in as a return)are all in mono.  And the fx are different 
from the XL as well.

I am using stereo cables......Hmmmmmmmmmmm I will try switching to 
mono cables and see what happens.

Thanks for the thought rEalm I had not thought of that.

Peace


--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Are you using TRS cables (stereo) or ordinary 1/4" patch cords 
(mono)?

> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> What is happening is the sound that comes off the E5000 (that is 
> running in as a return)are all in mono.  And the fx are different 
> from the XL as well.

I tried switching the main outputs to mono pach cords and still the 
same thing.  

Just don't get it.

You're just trying to use the sub outs with an external effects 
processor/sound module right?  And your return signal is always mono?

The only other thing I would do, is make sure your TRS cords are set up to 
transmit stereo the same way teh XL-7 is.  It should be fairly standard I 
would think, but some manufaturers might make the differences in which 
part of the plug carries left and right channel information.  Actually 
looking at page 19 in the manual, it looks like you don't need TRS cord, 
but just regular patch cords.  The Tip is the send, and the Ring is the 
return.  My guess is that your external gear isn't set up this way :)  You 
might need to make special cords to interface with your other gear because 
of this, since most gear uses the Ring as ground.  Kind of surprising that 
this isn't mention in the manual actually.  Maybe one of those special 
Insert Y-cables made by Hosa and the like for Mixer Insert channels would 
do the trick?  Let me know if you need help tracking one down...

rEalm





I tried switching the main outputs to mono pach cords and still the 
same thing. 

Just don't get it.