Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

So i've bought the XL7, and am not happy with the sound set. I am 
with the sequencer and effects. This box is loaded and peforms well 
as nerve center of a studio. But I'm shooting to more of a ambient 
dark soundscape trancey feel. I love pads, lots of them. I am 
considering getting a Triton LE, I have played those in a store and 
like them. But then again, i'm just paying for another sequencer and 
so forth. I'm wondering if perhaps there is something in the middle 
i'm missing? A module or synth sans a sequencer that will give what I 
seek? 

What about the Orbit ROMs? any good for that? 

Hmm.. Thanks in advance

How about just making the sounds you're after?  The XL-7 has more than 
enough base waveforms that will suit what you're trying to do, you just 
need to dive in and start programming...

rEalm






Erika <erika_ev1@...>
03/17/2003 12:59 PM
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So i've bought the XL7, and am not happy with the sound set. I am 
with the sequencer and effects. This box is loaded and peforms well 
as nerve center of a studio. But I'm shooting to more of a ambient 
dark soundscape trancey feel. I love pads, lots of them. I am 
considering getting a Triton LE, I have played those in a store and 
like them. But then again, i'm just paying for another sequencer and 
so forth. I'm wondering if perhaps there is something in the middle 
i'm missing? A module or synth sans a sequencer that will give what I 
seek? 

What about the Orbit ROMs? any good for that? 

Hmm.. Thanks in advance





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Awww, now im scared. i dont know the first thing about it. So what do 
you do? just add waveforms and filters until your happy with the 
outcome?


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> How about just making the sounds you're after?  The XL-7 has more 
than 
> enough base waveforms that will suit what you're trying to do, you 
just 
> need to dive in and start programming...
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Erika <erika_ev1@y...>
> 03/17/2003 12:59 PM
> Please respond to xl7
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>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
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>         Subject:        [xl7] Hmm so a good sound source compliment 
to the XL7?
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> 
> So i've bought the XL7, and am not happy with the sound set. I am 
> with the sequencer and effects. This box is loaded and peforms well 
> as nerve center of a studio. But I'm shooting to more of a ambient 
> dark soundscape trancey feel. I love pads, lots of them. I am 
> considering getting a Triton LE, I have played those in a store and 
> like them. But then again, i'm just paying for another sequencer 
and 
> so forth. I'm wondering if perhaps there is something in the middle 
> i'm missing? A module or synth sans a sequencer that will give what 
I 
> seek? 
> 
> What about the Orbit ROMs? any good for that? 
> 
> Hmm.. Thanks in advance
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Sounds like you should get a basic book on programming synths.
All of the editing functions will make a lot more sense if you have 
some theory behind why they are there.  Otherwise its going to be a 
lot of trial an error (which is sometimes good but...)

Jesse


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Erika" <erika_ev1@y...> wrote:
> Awww, now im scared. i dont know the first thing about it. So what 
do 

> you do? just add waveforms and filters until your happy with the 
> outcome?
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Basically the easiest thing to do to make a pad sound is to change the "Amp
Envelope"

(Check out this article, it should help you understand what that means)
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/1994_articles/mar94/analoguesynthesis.html

You can do this easily from the Quick Edit section (Second row of knobs) labeled
Amp.
A Pad is basically a sound that starts softly and grows louder (Attack knob),
usually stays on while you keep holding the note, then gradually fades away
either while you are holding it down or after you release the note. The
different phases of this relate to ADSR or Atack Decay Sustain Release.  Playing
with the attack and the release will change the sound the most drastically.

Another thing to play with is the filters after you have made the volume doing
what you want.  The idea with filters and pads is to get the pad out of the way
of the rest of your music; in other words to fill in the gaps in you sonic
spectrum, so you would want to filter out the part of the sound that gets in the
way.

Don't forget to save the sound when you're done though, and make sure you save
the part in addition to the song or pattern... ;)

Andre

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From: Erika [mailto:erika_ev1@...]
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To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: Hmm so a good sound source compliment to the XL7?


Awww, now im scared. i dont know the first thing about it. So what do
you do? just add waveforms and filters until your happy with the
outcome?


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> How about just making the sounds you're after?  The XL-7 has more
than
> enough base waveforms that will suit what you're trying to do, you
just
> need to dive in and start programming...
>
> rEalm
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Erika <erika_ev1@y...>
> 03/17/2003 12:59 PM
> Please respond to xl7
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>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc:
>         Subject:        [xl7] Hmm so a good sound source compliment
to the XL7?
>
>
> So i've bought the XL7, and am not happy with the sound set. I am
> with the sequencer and effects. This box is loaded and peforms well
> as nerve center of a studio. But I'm shooting to more of a ambient
> dark soundscape trancey feel. I love pads, lots of them. I am
> considering getting a Triton LE, I have played those in a store and
> like them. But then again, i'm just paying for another sequencer
and
> so forth. I'm wondering if perhaps there is something in the middle
> i'm missing? A module or synth sans a sequencer that will give what
I
> seek?
>
> What about the Orbit ROMs? any good for that?
>
> Hmm.. Thanks in advance
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i think you need to delve a little deeper into the preset menu... i got  
some amazing pads constructed outta my box... basically, you can build  
whatever you want from scratch...and with the multiple layers, it's  
hella easy to create complex evolving pads and drones...

On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 01:59 PM, Erika wrote:

> So i've bought the XL7, and am not happy with the sound set. I am
> with the sequencer and effects. This box is loaded and peforms well
> as nerve center of a studio. But I'm shooting to more of a ambient
> dark soundscape trancey feel. I love pads, lots of them. I am
> considering getting a Triton LE, I have played those in a store and
> like them. But then again, i'm just paying for another sequencer and
> so forth. I'm wondering if perhaps there is something in the middle
> i'm missing? A module or synth sans a sequencer that will give what I
> seek?
>
> What about the Orbit ROMs? any good for that?
>
> Hmm.. Thanks in advance
>
>
>
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The ideal machine for great pads would be a Hartmann Neuron 
(http://www.hartmann-music.com) together with a sample CD containing 
pads, which the Neuron could create models of... but I assume you 
don't have that kind of money ($5000), hmmmmz... the best option 
could simply be a 128mb sampler and sample CD's containing pads. I 
think you should be able to find a cheap sampler nowdays...

//Nifflas


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, nodalterror <nodal@2...> wrote:
> i think you need to delve a little deeper into the preset menu... i 
got  
> some amazing pads constructed outta my box... basically, you can 
build  
> whatever you want from scratch...and with the multiple layers, 
it's  
> hella easy to create complex evolving pads and drones...
> On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 01:59 PM, Erika wrote:
> 
> > So i've bought the XL7, and am not happy with the sound set. I am
> > with the sequencer and effects. This box is loaded and peforms 
well
> > as nerve center of a studio. But I'm shooting to more of a ambient
> > dark soundscape trancey feel. I love pads, lots of them. I am
> > considering getting a Triton LE, I have played those in a store 
and
> > like them. But then again, i'm just paying for another sequencer 
and
> > so forth. I'm wondering if perhaps there is something in the 
middle
> > i'm missing? A module or synth sans a sequencer that will give 
what I
> > seek?
> >
> > What about the Orbit ROMs? any good for that?
> >
> > Hmm.. Thanks in advance
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Hehehe, no need to be scared!  Yeah, just start diving into the Preset 
Edit menu and play aorund there for a bit until you get start to get a 
feel for what everything does.  You can also go here:

http://www.studiocovers.com/articles17.htm

and read a whole bunch of articles on the basics of subtractive synthesis. 
 That will help you to know what all the Preset parameters do.  Making 
your own sounds isn't really that hard, and I guarantee you won't find 
youself dishing out money for new ROMs so quickly once you get the hang of 
it.  Let us know if you have any questions, glad to help!

rEalm



Awww, now im scared. i dont know the first thing about it. So what do 
you do? just add waveforms and filters until your happy with the 
outcome?



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If you're after pads, the sound source is secondary; the effects
processing is much more important.

I'm currently using three pieces of gear in my projects; the XL-7, the
Nord MicroModular (two off), and the Korg OasysPCI (two off). The
OasysPCI is a physical/analogue modelling synth which will also do
sample playback (fixed plus user samples), superb digital multieffects
and onboard mixing, all DSP-smoothed, so it's my pad machine, even
though the polyphony is generally quite low except for the mundane
sample-playback side of things. As a sound source, the XL-7 gets the
least use, in fact, partly because the ROM sample selection dominates
the synthesis process, and partly because of timing issues and some
bugs.

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

Orbit roms rule . 
Emu rules the roms !
lots of basses in da roms in all the modules -  just get a bigger bottom - i mean an expander/gate (built in on some of their samplers ) or a compressor for pumpin bassy sounds or just layer them presets . Use a super Sawtooth  preset cos they got more overtones .

  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:52 PM
  Subject: [xl7] Re: Hmm so a good sound source compliment to the XL7?


  I firmly second this post :)

  Took the words out of my mind rEalm

  Mike G.


  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
  > How about just making the sounds you're after?  The XL-7 has more 
  than 
  > enough base waveforms that will suit what you're trying to do, you 
  just 
  > need to dive in and start programming...
  > 
  > rEalm
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > Erika <erika_ev1@y...>
  > 03/17/2003 12:59 PM
  > Please respond to xl7
  > 
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  >         cc: 
  >         Subject:        [xl7] Hmm so a good sound source 
  compliment to the XL7?
  > 
  > 
  > So i've bought the XL7, and am not happy with the sound set. I am 
  > with the sequencer and effects. This box is loaded and peforms 
  well 
  > as nerve center of a studio. But I'm shooting to more of a ambient 
  > dark soundscape trancey feel. I love pads, lots of them. I am 
  > considering getting a Triton LE, I have played those in a store 
  and 
  > like them. But then again, i'm just paying for another sequencer 
  and 
  > so forth. I'm wondering if perhaps there is something in the 
  middle 
  > i'm missing? A module or synth sans a sequencer that will give 
  what I 
  > seek? 
  > 
  > What about the Orbit ROMs? any good for that? 
  > 
  > Hmm.. Thanks in advance
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I firmly second this post :)

Took the words out of my mind rEalm

Mike G.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> How about just making the sounds you're after?  The XL-7 has more 
than 
> enough base waveforms that will suit what you're trying to do, you 
just 
> need to dive in and start programming...
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Erika <erika_ev1@y...>
> 03/17/2003 12:59 PM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] Hmm so a good sound source 
compliment to the XL7?
> 
> 
> So i've bought the XL7, and am not happy with the sound set. I am 
> with the sequencer and effects. This box is loaded and peforms 
well 
> as nerve center of a studio. But I'm shooting to more of a ambient 
> dark soundscape trancey feel. I love pads, lots of them. I am 
> considering getting a Triton LE, I have played those in a store 
and 
> like them. But then again, i'm just paying for another sequencer 
and 
> so forth. I'm wondering if perhaps there is something in the 
middle 
> i'm missing? A module or synth sans a sequencer that will give 
what I 
> seek? 
> 
> What about the Orbit ROMs? any good for that? 
> 
> Hmm.. Thanks in advance
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Take a look on the web for the basics of synth programing there are 
some good sites out there.  I would give you links but it has been a 
long time since I was looking for them.

You may also want to post your questions at IBGEEK it is another 
yahoo group that i started about a year ago dealing with using the 
synths in emu gear.  You can find a link there under the links 
section of this group.  

Take care and good luck 

Mike G.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Erika" <erika_ev1@y...> wrote:
> Awww, now im scared. i dont know the first thing about it. So what 
do 
> you do? just add waveforms and filters until your happy with the 
> outcome?
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > How about just making the sounds you're after?  The XL-7 has 
more 
> than 
> > enough base waveforms that will suit what you're trying to do, 
you 
> just 
> > need to dive in and start programming...
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Erika <erika_ev1@y...>
> > 03/17/2003 12:59 PM
> > Please respond to xl7
> > 
> >  
> >         To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >         cc: 
> >         Subject:        [xl7] Hmm so a good sound source 
compliment 
> to the XL7?
> > 
> > 
> > So i've bought the XL7, and am not happy with the sound set. I 
am 
> > with the sequencer and effects. This box is loaded and peforms 
well 
> > as nerve center of a studio. But I'm shooting to more of a 
ambient 
> > dark soundscape trancey feel. I love pads, lots of them. I am 
> > considering getting a Triton LE, I have played those in a store 
and 
> > like them. But then again, i'm just paying for another sequencer 
> and 
> > so forth. I'm wondering if perhaps there is something in the 
middle 
> > i'm missing? A module or synth sans a sequencer that will give 
what 

> I 
> > seek? 
> > 
> > What about the Orbit ROMs? any good for that? 
> > 
> > Hmm.. Thanks in advance
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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