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what chords?

what chords?

2003-02-26 by stackdigital

I'm still trying to wrap my head around sound design on the XL-7.
Unless I've missed something, it seems that some of the wavetables (a
surprisingly high percentage, actually) are samples of chords, not just
single notes.  Is there a reference anywhere that tells which chords
they are?

If I have missed something and they are programmed into the presets I'm
still curious which chords they are.  Some of the names give a little
hint but I'm wondering if anyone can make it a little easier on us
curious folks.

Thanks,

Chris

Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

I don't believe there is any documentation like that, sorry.  If you want 
to see if it's part of the preset, you first stop would be to look at the 
Transpose page in Preset Edit for all layers.  If you see all of the 
layers are transposed by something other than 0, the chord is probably 
part of the Preset, and not the actual waveform.

rEalm





I'm still trying to wrap my head around sound design on the XL-7.
Unless I've missed something, it seems that some of the wavetables (a
surprisingly high percentage, actually) are samples of chords, not just
single notes.  Is there a reference anywhere that tells which chords
they are?

If I have missed something and they are programmed into the presets I'm
still curious which chords they are.  Some of the names give a little
hint but I'm wondering if anyone can make it a little easier on us
curious folks.

Thanks,

Chris



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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by Nick Rothwell

The XL-7 is basically aimed at the techno market, and the genre has a
bit of a thing about chord stabs, so a fair number of the actual
samples are rich in modal harmonics. They're not documented, but
it's usually pretty easy to determine the most obvious intervals, at
least enough to harmonise around them.

As Erik says, the presets themselves might transpose (or detune)
individual layers to form chords. The layer mute page is your friend;
jump to that and listen selectively to the layers.

-- 

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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

I have another question. After reading about all the patch cords in the manual online I got really excited. But after I bought my XL7 home, I opened the box and there was only a power cable and no PATCH CORDS!! I have been calling the store and they tell me that patchcords are costing like $20 each! Well with all the patchcords listed in the manual, after I need to buy all the patchcords separately this synth is not such a bargain anymore! Does anyone else have this problem?

Ivar Amrash

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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

There's should be 24 patches cords in the box, you seriously didn't ge 
those?  Wow, bummer, you should have gotten the RS7000 instead.  I'm sure 
it would come with everything...

mlaEr






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I have another question. After reading about all the patch cords in the 
manual online I got really excited. But after I bought my XL7 home, I 
opened the box and there was only a power cable and no PATCH CORDS!! I 
have been calling the store and they tell me that patchcords are costing 
like $20 each! Well with all the patchcords listed in the manual, after I 
need to buy all the patchcords separately this synth is not such a bargain 
anymore! Does anyone else have this problem?

Ivar Amrash

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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by Nick Rothwell

> There's should be 24 patches cords in the box, you seriously didn't ge 
> those?

You were shortchanged as well, Erik - I got 96 cords with mine. But
I'm sure there will be a new set of cords bundled with the OS 2.0
release in any case.

I didn't get a power chord with my unit, but found one somebody had
left underneath one of the electric guitar presets.

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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

I forgot to mention my XL-7 is one of the new Black and Decker cordless 
ones, my bad.  Those power chords sound hot Nick!  You sure they're not 
under the firewood Presets?

rEalm




You were shortchanged as well, Erik - I got 96 cords with mine. But
I'm sure there will be a new set of cords bundled with the OS 2.0
release in any case.

I didn't get a power chord with my unit, but found one somebody had
left underneath one of the electric guitar presets.







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using the preset auditiosn in a pattern

2003-02-27 by Reverend Douglas Lee

Hi all I'm new to the group and new to the MP-7 so be gentle with me. I
have a question. Is there anyway to get the riff from the preset
audition into a pattern. 

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RE: [xl7] using the preset auditiosn in a pattern

2003-02-27 by Reverend Douglas Lee

Oh by the way I'm going to be using the MP7 in the gospel forum. I've
got a lot to learn about this machine. I'm looking forward to your help.
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Hi all I'm new to the group and new to the MP-7 so be gentle with me. I
have a question. Is there anyway to get the riff from the preset
audition into a pattern. 

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Re: [xl7] using the preset auditiosn in a pattern

2003-02-27 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

You could connect a midi cord from the MIDI out to the MIDI in and record 
it that way.

rEalm





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RE: [xl7] using the preset auditiosn in a pattern

2003-02-27 by Reverend Douglas Lee

So are you saying that I can do it within the MP7 internal sequencer or
are are you referring to an external sequencer. I have it attached to a
TS10 Ensoniq keyboard with cables running both ways Midi out to Midi in
ans vice versa. 

Thanks for the quick reply I appreciate it.
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You could connect a midi cord from the MIDI out to the MIDI in and
record 
it that way.

rEalm





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have a question. Is there anyway to get the riff from the preset
audition into a pattern. 

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RE: [xl7] using the preset auditiosn in a pattern

2003-02-27 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

No, you could connect a midi cable from the MP-7's MIDI out A, to the 
MP-7's MIDI in.  The just hit record on the MP-7's sequencer and play your 
Preset with the riff you want.  If the timings a bit off, you could use 
quantize to clean it up.

rEalm





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So are you saying that I can do it within the MP7 internal sequencer or
are are you referring to an external sequencer. I have it attached to a
TS10 Ensoniq keyboard with cables running both ways Midi out to Midi in
ans vice versa. 

Thanks for the quick reply I appreciate it. 

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Subject: Re: [xl7] using the preset auditiosn in a pattern

You could connect a midi cord from the MIDI out to the MIDI in and
record 
it that way.

rEalm





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02/27/2003 09:44 AM
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Hi all I'm new to the group and new to the MP-7 so be gentle with me. I
have a question. Is there anyway to get the riff from the preset
audition into a pattern. 

Shaolin 








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RE: [xl7] using the preset auditiosn in a pattern

2003-02-27 by Reverend Douglas Lee

I would like to record the preset audtion riff loop into a pattern so
that I could build from there and then put the different patterns into
song mode. I hope it makes sense what I'm trying to do and more than
that, that it actually can be done. 

Thanks again. 

I've been watching and reading for a couple of days now but thought my
questions might be a little too much but someone told me the question
not asked is the worst.
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Subject: Re: [xl7] using the preset auditiosn in a pattern

You could connect a midi cord from the MIDI out to the MIDI in and
record 
it that way.

rEalm





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Hi all I'm new to the group and new to the MP-7 so be gentle with me. I
have a question. Is there anyway to get the riff from the preset
audition into a pattern. 

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RE: [xl7] using the preset auditiosn in a pattern

2003-02-27 by Reverend Douglas Lee

Oh man now that's what I'm talking about, man you have made my day this
forum is really great the manual is cool but leaves you hanging in some
areas.
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No, you could connect a midi cable from the MP-7's MIDI out A, to the 
MP-7's MIDI in.  The just hit record on the MP-7's sequencer and play
your 
Preset with the riff you want.  If the timings a bit off, you could use 
quantize to clean it up.

rEalm





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So are you saying that I can do it within the MP7 internal sequencer or
are are you referring to an external sequencer. I have it attached to a
TS10 Ensoniq keyboard with cables running both ways Midi out to Midi in
ans vice versa. 

Thanks for the quick reply I appreciate it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: erik_magrini@... [mailto:erik_magrini@...] 
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:56 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Cc: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] using the preset auditiosn in a pattern

You could connect a midi cord from the MIDI out to the MIDI in and
record 
it that way.

rEalm





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02/27/2003 09:44 AM
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Hi all I'm new to the group and new to the MP-7 so be gentle with me. I
have a question. Is there anyway to get the riff from the preset
audition into a pattern. 

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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by kacy.rayburn@kmzr.com

What patch Cords are you referring to and what do they do?
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There's should be 24 patches cords in the box, you seriously didn't ge
those?  Wow, bummer, you should have gotten the RS7000 instead.  I'm sure
it would come with everything...

mlaEr






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I have another question. After reading about all the patch cords in the
manual online I got really excited. But after I bought my XL7 home, I
opened the box and there was only a power cable and no PATCH CORDS!! I
have been calling the store and they tell me that patchcords are costing
like $20 each! Well with all the patchcords listed in the manual, after I
need to buy all the patchcords separately this synth is not such a bargain
anymore! Does anyone else have this problem?

Ivar Amrash

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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

There's 24 patch cords that came in the box (US version only perhaps?). 
They help you write hit songs with the XL-7, sort of like the supercharger 
options on the XL-1.  Think of them as an easy way to write music, without 
having to do anything hard.  Pretty cool, glad I waited....

Keep in mind guys, if you got the cords already, OS 2.0 won't work, you'll 
have to wait until version 4.2, due out about a month from now for us cord 
types...

Just FYI

rEalm





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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by kacy.rayburn@kmzr.com

I have never noticed a patchcord I was assuming they were made in the
device like a digital patchbay - I'm probably way off, because I never
tried to use it becuase I couldn't understand what it was for. But you do
get extra cables with the unit - how interesting, what do they plug into?
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There's 24 patch cords that came in the box (US version only perhaps?).
They help you write hit songs with the XL-7, sort of like the supercharger
options on the XL-1.  Think of them as an easy way to write music, without
having to do anything hard.  Pretty cool, glad I waited....

Keep in mind guys, if you got the cords already, OS 2.0 won't work, you'll
have to wait until version 4.2, due out about a month from now for us cord
types...

Just FYI

rEalm





What patch Cords are you referring to and what do they do?








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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

They plug into the flux capicitor, it's in box two that came with your 
XL-7.

rEalm





I have never noticed a patchcord I was assuming they were made in the
device like a digital patchbay - I'm probably way off, because I never
tried to use it becuase I couldn't understand what it was for. But you do
get extra cables with the unit - how interesting, what do they plug into?





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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by jibarosoul@aol.com

My MP-7 came with platinum tip TRS patch cables with gold wire inside. Also 
came with a usb powered patchbay that connects to the host port on back.

RE: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-27 by Andre Lewis

Whoa!!! Hey I only got 20??!?!  But I use the ones I got with my Audity, so it
works out well.  Hey are these thigs balanced???  Can I insert on one side or do
I need to order a special Y patch cord?

Andre
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> There's should be 24 patches cords in the box, you seriously didn't ge
> those?

You were shortchanged as well, Erik - I got 96 cords with mine. But
I'm sure there will be a new set of cords bundled with the OS 2.0
release in any case.

I didn't get a power chord with my unit, but found one somebody had
left underneath one of the electric guitar presets.

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Re: what chords?

2003-02-27 by drewaight1 <drewaight@hotmail.com>

I thought that the command station was supposed to come with some 
drum kits but there is only these buttons and a power cord in the 
box. What a rip off!

Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-28 by Nick Rothwell

> There's 24 patch cords that came in the box (US version only perhaps?). 

The UK model comes with patch cords as well, but they're specially
engineered to run at 50Hz, not 60. Use the wrong cords and your music
will be quite a way out of tune.

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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-28 by RAWB

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  > There's 24 patch cords that came in the box (US version only perhaps?). 

  The UK model comes with patch cords as well, but they're specially
  engineered to run at 50Hz, not 60. Use the wrong cords and your music
  will be quite a way out of tune.

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Re: [xl7] Re: what chords?

2003-02-28 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

ME TOO!!!!
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  I thought that the command station was supposed to come with some 
  drum kits but there is only these buttons and a power cord in the 
  box. What a rip off!


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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-28 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Doh, we scared one off!  Guess he was mad he didn't get his chords...  :)

rEalm





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02/27/2003 07:33 PM
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  > There's 24 patch cords that came in the box (US version only 
perhaps?). 

  The UK model comes with patch cords as well, but they're specially
  engineered to run at 50Hz, not 60. Use the wrong cords and your music
  will be quite a way out of tune.

  -- 

    nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

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Re: [xl7] what chords?

2003-02-28 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Man, all my bills were shredded!  I spent days taping them back together, 
only to have a Coke machine eat my first $100 bill!

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The packing material in my XL7 was all U.S. tender One Hundred Dollar 
bills! I guess that was my rebate! I didn't have to work for two months!
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  My MP-7 came with platinum tip TRS patch cables with gold wire inside. 
Also 
  came with a usb powered patchbay that connects to the host port on back.

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Re: what chords?

2003-02-28 by S V G

Here I thought you guys were pulling our legs with the patchcord thing.  I too thought that
the XX-7 as all other Proteus engines had a digital patchbay.  Imagine my surprise when I bought a
brand new Vintage Keys module yesterday (you know, the one with the "retro" knobs, brushed
aluminum on plastic).  I took it out of the box and the first thing that hit me was a strong smell
of stale tobacco.  Okay I said to myself, I guess that's a nice touch... then I found at the
bottom of the box... you guessed it, 24 real patchcords.  The back panel had (in addition to the 6
output jacks) 24 extra 1/4" phone jacks!  I was amazed how they got them all to fit in that space.
 Aaron and friends must have spent the last several months pulling all-nighters to get these
things together.  So the real kicker is when I start plugging some of these patchcords in...
almost all of them had significant crackle in the lines.  I had to fiddle with each one for a
while before the crackling would go away.  Wow, I mean that's *really* attention to detail!  How
these guys pulled that one off is sure to go down in the anals of sonic history!!!

             Stephen

> 
> I have never noticed a patchcord I was assuming they were made in the
> device like a digital patchbay - I'm probably way off, because I never
> tried to use it becuase I couldn't understand what it was for. But you do
> get extra cables with the unit - how interesting, what do they plug into?
> ___________________________
> Kacy L. Rayburn


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