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Please help.... presets don't save to patterns

Please help.... presets don't save to patterns

2003-01-15 by tommy_trance <tommy_trance@yahoo.com>

Hi,
Can someone tell me why it is that 6 months later my XL-7 decides 
not to save presets to patterns?  It would save the presets from the 
last pattern to the current pattern.  Even with no midi cables 
attached I can't seem to find a resolution.  EMU tech wants me to 
reset/reinitialize the unit but that will be my last resort.  I have 
a gig in 2 weeks and would totally appreciate any advice.  I have OS 
1.31.

Re: [xl7] Please help.... presets don't save to patterns

2003-01-15 by Aaron Eppolito

Wanna walk us through the steps you're performing?

-Aaron

--- "tommy_trance <tommy_trance@...>" <tommy_trance@...>
wrote:
> Can someone tell me why it is that 6 months later my XL-7 decides 
> not to save presets to patterns?  It would save the presets from the 
> last pattern to the current pattern.

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Re: Please help.... presets don't save to patterns

2003-01-15 by tommy_trance <tommy_trance@yahoo.com>

Sure thing...
1. Without Midi IN connected, I call up an empty pattern and named 
it "Another Day" with all channels assigned Internal.  I choose 
presets for each channel: say Preset 5, bank 1, User assigned to 
Channel 1A), and preset 70-2 user assigned to Channel 2A).  Then I 
save these presets to pattern "Another Day" (1-1, pettern1 bank1)

2. For my second pattern I call it "I feel Loved" and all channels 
assigned internal.  I choose presets (preset 28, bank 1, user, 
assinged to Channel 1A) and (preset 57 bank 1 user assinged to 2A).  
I save these presets to Pattern "I feel Loved" located in 2-1 
(pattern2, bank1).

3.  When I scrolling back to pattern 1-1 "Another Day" channels 1A 
and 2A have presets belonging to "I feel loved".  

Seems like XL7 isn't remembering presets to patterns...Please Advise.

Thomas
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> Wanna walk us through the steps you're performing?
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> --- "tommy_trance <tommy_trance@y...>" <tommy_trance@y...>
> wrote:
> > Can someone tell me why it is that 6 months later my XL-7 
decides 
> > not to save presets to patterns?  It would save the presets from 
the 
> > last pattern to the current pattern.
> 
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Re: [xl7] Re: Please help.... presets don't save to patterns

2003-01-15 by ByronE

> Sure thing...
> 1. Without Midi IN connected, I call up an empty pattern and named  it
> "Another Day" with all channels assigned Internal.  I choose
> presets for each channel: say Preset 5, bank 1, User assigned to
> Channel 1A), and preset 70-2 user assigned to Channel 2A).  Then I
> save these presets to pattern "Another Day" (1-1, pettern1 bank1)
>
> 2. For my second pattern I call it "I feel Loved" and all channels
> assigned internal.  I choose presets (preset 28, bank 1, user,
> assinged to Channel 1A) and (preset 57 bank 1 user assinged to 2A).   I
> save these presets to Pattern "I feel Loved" located in 2-1
> (pattern2, bank1).
>
> 3.  When I scrolling back to pattern 1-1 "Another Day" channels 1A  and
> 2A have presets belonging to "I feel loved".
>

It seems you have to save a seperate setup to save the different track
positions of presets, so one multisetup will save on setting of 16a and 16b
preset assignments. Real bummer, eh? I suggest learning to use program
changes quite fluidly if you plan on getting anything done without a load
of paperwork everytime you start a new song/pattern.

ByronIV

Re: [xl7] Re: Please help.... presets don't save to patterns

2003-01-15 by drK

On 1/15/03 1:18 AM, "tommy_trance <tommy_trance@...>"
<tommy_trance@...> wrote:

> Sure thing...
> 1. Without Midi IN connected, I call up an empty pattern and named
> it "Another Day" with all channels assigned Internal.  I choose
> presets for each channel: say Preset 5, bank 1, User assigned to
> Channel 1A), and preset 70-2 user assigned to Channel 2A).  Then I
> save these presets to pattern "Another Day" (1-1, pettern1 bank1)
> 
> 2. For my second pattern I call it "I feel Loved" and all channels
> assigned internal.  I choose presets (preset 28, bank 1, user,
> assinged to Channel 1A) and (preset 57 bank 1 user assinged to 2A).
> I save these presets to Pattern "I feel Loved" located in 2-1
> (pattern2, bank1).
> 
> 3.  When I scrolling back to pattern 1-1 "Another Day" channels 1A
> and 2A have presets belonging to "I feel loved".
> 
> Seems like XL7 isn't remembering presets to patterns...Please Advise.
> 

Track setup information such as assignments and presets are only saved with
a pattern if that track has recorded data.  So setting up a beginning
sequence as you described will not save your initial work.

This is also a problem when creating template patterns that you want to use
as a starting point for future patterns.

here's one work around:

(this has already be written by me once here but I will repeat for
convenience)


drk

www.delora.com/music
www.mp3.com/zdrk
drk.iuma.com


============================================================================
Start with a blank pattern and setup all of the track channel assigns that
you wish to default to something other than the XX7's defaults.  so, for
example, if tracks 1-4 are always controlling channels 1-4 on external MIDI
A set those track's output assignments.

This next part is a trick to force the XX7 to actually save these
assignments.  To do this you need to make the XX7 think there is data
recorded on each of the tracks you are setting up.

The XX7 has a special convention where any non-note even recorded on time
tick 001.01.001 is only used when the pattern is run for the first time and
not on every loop.  See page 53 in the manual for a detailed explanation of
this.  We will use this trick to place a innocuous MIDI event that will
satisfy the XX7's need to have data on a track before it will save the
output assigns.

I chose a MIDI controller command, CC 64 for this role.  This is by
convention the sustain pedal and by setting this value to zero (pedal up)
you are basically starting the pattern the way it would any way - with the
sustain pedal released!

Drop into pattern edit mode and use the TRACK/CHANNEL buttons to go to the
first track that needs to have an output assignment.  Scroll through the
edit commands using the DATA ENTRY CONTROL wheel until you get to EVENT.
Make sure the time display shows 001.01.001.  The ENTER button may be
flashing and if so push this so that you enter the event entry mode.

Now hit REPEAT once which will insert one MIDI event at time 001.01.001.  It
will insert a controller message and the display will read something like:

C01  controller  #7  v:127.
(please note that the C01 in the above will change depending on the channel
assignment currently active for that track when the event entry is done).


Cursor over to the #field (#7 in the example) and dial up a new value of 64
using the DATA ENTRY CONTROL wheel.  Next cursor over to the value field
(v:127 in the example) and change its value to 0 using the DATA ENTRY
CONTROL.  You should now see the following in the LCD:

C01 controller #64  v:0

At this point you now have one track that can retain it's track channel
assignment when the pattern is saved.  But what if you need fifteen more?
Seems like a lot of work.

Well there is an easy shortcut.  Use the COPY edit command to place the MIDI
data of the track you just completed on the clip board.  Then paste that to
each of the other tracks you wish to save channel assignments.  When
finished with all of this and setting those new default channel assignments
name the pattern with something you'll remember and save the pattern to an
easy to get to memory location.  The first bank of USER locations is a prime
place to save library patterns and templates.

To use this you can simply select the template pattern you saved which will
of course load it into the pattern edit buffer. You can from that point
treat it as you would a fresh pattern, except that the track assignments
start out the way you wish.

This may not be the best approach to starting a new pattern though because
it is easy to forget to save the pattern to a new location and you just may
overwrite your hard-won template pattern.  So an alternative is to use the
pattern copy command under the SAVE/COPY menu.

(C) 2003 HARMONY SYSTEMS INC ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
============================================================================

Re: presets don't save to patterns...Total Thanks!

2003-01-15 by tommy_trance <tommy_trance@yahoo.com>

I really appreciate the extra effort in providing this solution!
Thanks, Thomas

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, drK <drk@d...> wrote:
> On 1/15/03 1:18 AM, "tommy_trance <tommy_trance@y...>"
> <tommy_trance@y...> wrote:
> 
> > Sure thing...
> > 1. Without Midi IN connected, I call up an empty pattern and 
named
> > it "Another Day" with all channels assigned Internal.  I choose
> > presets for each channel: say Preset 5, bank 1, User assigned to
> > Channel 1A), and preset 70-2 user assigned to Channel 2A).  Then 
I
> > save these presets to pattern "Another Day" (1-1, pettern1 bank1)
> > 
> > 2. For my second pattern I call it "I feel Loved" and all 
channels
> > assigned internal.  I choose presets (preset 28, bank 1, user,
> > assinged to Channel 1A) and (preset 57 bank 1 user assinged to 
2A).
> > I save these presets to Pattern "I feel Loved" located in 2-1
> > (pattern2, bank1).
> > 
> > 3.  When I scrolling back to pattern 1-1 "Another Day" channels 
1A
> > and 2A have presets belonging to "I feel loved".
> > 
> > Seems like XL7 isn't remembering presets to patterns...Please 
Advise.
> > 
> 
> Track setup information such as assignments and presets are only 
saved with
> a pattern if that track has recorded data.  So setting up a 
beginning
> sequence as you described will not save your initial work.
> 
> This is also a problem when creating template patterns that you 
want to use
> as a starting point for future patterns.
> 
> here's one work around:
> 
> (this has already be written by me once here but I will repeat for
> convenience)
> 
> 
> drk
> 
> www.delora.com/music
> www.mp3.com/zdrk
> drk.iuma.com
> 
> 
> 
=====================================================================
=======
> Start with a blank pattern and setup all of the track channel 
assigns that
> you wish to default to something other than the XX7's defaults.  
so, for
> example, if tracks 1-4 are always controlling channels 1-4 on 
external MIDI
> A set those track's output assignments.
> 
> This next part is a trick to force the XX7 to actually save these
> assignments.  To do this you need to make the XX7 think there is 
data
> recorded on each of the tracks you are setting up.
> 
> The XX7 has a special convention where any non-note even recorded 
on time
> tick 001.01.001 is only used when the pattern is run for the first 
time and
> not on every loop.  See page 53 in the manual for a detailed 
explanation of
> this.  We will use this trick to place a innocuous MIDI event that 
will
> satisfy the XX7's need to have data on a track before it will save 
the
> output assigns.
> 
> I chose a MIDI controller command, CC 64 for this role.  This is by
> convention the sustain pedal and by setting this value to zero 
(pedal up)
> you are basically starting the pattern the way it would any way - 
with the
> sustain pedal released!
> 
> Drop into pattern edit mode and use the TRACK/CHANNEL buttons to 
go to the
> first track that needs to have an output assignment.  Scroll 
through the
> edit commands using the DATA ENTRY CONTROL wheel until you get to 
EVENT.
> Make sure the time display shows 001.01.001.  The ENTER button may 
be
> flashing and if so push this so that you enter the event entry 
mode.
> 
> Now hit REPEAT once which will insert one MIDI event at time 
001.01.001.  It
> will insert a controller message and the display will read 
something like:
> 
> C01  controller  #7  v:127.
> (please note that the C01 in the above will change depending on 
the channel
> assignment currently active for that track when the event entry is 
done).
> 
> 
> Cursor over to the #field (#7 in the example) and dial up a new 
value of 64
> using the DATA ENTRY CONTROL wheel.  Next cursor over to the value 
field
> (v:127 in the example) and change its value to 0 using the DATA 
ENTRY
> CONTROL.  You should now see the following in the LCD:
> 
> C01 controller #64  v:0
> 
> At this point you now have one track that can retain it's track 
channel
> assignment when the pattern is saved.  But what if you need 
fifteen more?
> Seems like a lot of work.
> 
> Well there is an easy shortcut.  Use the COPY edit command to 
place the MIDI
> data of the track you just completed on the clip board.  Then 
paste that to
> each of the other tracks you wish to save channel assignments.  
When
> finished with all of this and setting those new default channel 
assignments
> name the pattern with something you'll remember and save the 
pattern to an
> easy to get to memory location.  The first bank of USER locations 
is a prime
> place to save library patterns and templates.
> 
> To use this you can simply select the template pattern you saved 
which will
> of course load it into the pattern edit buffer. You can from that 
point
> treat it as you would a fresh pattern, except that the track 
assignments
> start out the way you wish.
> 
> This may not be the best approach to starting a new pattern though 
because
> it is easy to forget to save the pattern to a new location and you 
just may
> overwrite your hard-won template pattern.  So an alternative is to 
use the
> pattern copy command under the SAVE/COPY menu.
> 
> (C) 2003 HARMONY SYSTEMS INC ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
> 
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=======