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Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-05 by john_b_32712

Hello all!,
First posting here.... Perhaps Im daft, but im havin the darndest 
prob tryin to sequence chase my sp808ex to my MP7. Since my 808 
doesnt have a deadicated thru, I must switch the out over(to thru) 
internally. When I do this the MP7 lox up and produces the most 
anoying sound you ever heard when a pad is hit. I had the same 
occurance happen when I had a MC307(before sent to eBay heaven LOL) 
its midi channels started at 17(?!), but it had a omni setting(<old 
tech aint it?) so it was cool to run with the likes of Sonar. No such 
animal with the 808ex and have tried different channel combos and 
sysex numbers. Any suggestions, or am I just over looking the obvious 
through a cloud ov BudLight?

Re: [xl7] Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-05 by drK

On 12/5/02 4:28 AM, "john_b_32712" <john_b_32712@...> wrote:

> Hello all!,
> First posting here.... Perhaps Im daft, but im havin the darndest
> prob tryin to sequence chase my sp808ex to my MP7. Since my 808
> doesnt have a deadicated thru, I must switch the out over(to thru)
> internally. When I do this the MP7 lox up and produces the most
> anoying sound you ever heard when a pad is hit. I had the same
> occurance happen when I had a MC307(before sent to eBay heaven LOL)
> its midi channels started at 17(?!), but it had a omni setting(<old
> tech aint it?) so it was cool to run with the likes of Sonar. No such
> animal with the 808ex and have tried different channel combos and
> sysex numbers. Any suggestions, or am I just over looking the obvious
> through a cloud ov BudLight?

Seems you have formed a MIDI feedback loop.  Post you configuration info if
you'd like, including hookup to confirm.

Here's what I am guessing is happening.  You have the output of the MP-7
going to the input of the SP808 and the output of the SP808 going back to
the MP-7.  There might be some things in-between but the gist of what I am
suspecting is that somehow the MP-7 own MIDI output is finding its way back
to its own MIDI input.  This will produce a type of feedback situation if
the settings are a certain way on the MP-7.

Why are you requiring the MIDI-THRU on the SP808?  Which instrument is set
to be the master clock, the MP-7 or the SP808?

One thing to be aware of with soft-thru's, which is what the SP808 has.
When you switch the MIDI out to be a thru you loose the SP808's ability to
send *any* MIDI information while it is in that mode.  There is no internal
merging of the internal generated SP808 MIDI  (pad hits, D-Beam, knobs) with
the incoming MIDI.  all that gets to the MIDI outport when the SP808 is in
THRU mode is what is at its input port.

if you are not using the SP808 and the MP-7 with any other MIDI gear than I
suggest that you do not need or want to use the MIDI thru.  If you are
driving other modules from the MP-7 then I suggest you place the SP808 at
the end of the MIDI chain (from the MP-7's output) and then connect it's
output back into the MP7, if you want the SP808's pads and controls to be a
controller to the MP-7.  If you need anything more complicated than that
send some info about what your trying to accomplish and we'll see what we
can come up with.


drk

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www.mp3.com/zdrk
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Re: [xl7] Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-05 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Sample that sound!  Samples of stuff crashing is always fun!  Make sure 
you have the MIDI thru turned off in the XL-7, sounds like you're getting 
a midi feedback loop.

rEalm



When I do this the MP7 lox up and produces the most anoying sound you ever 
heard when a pad is hit.





 

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Re: [xl7] Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-05 by John Booker

Hi drk,
       thanx for the reply... I seem to have exposed
myself as quite the novice hehe. Yes you are very
correct the loop would explain lock up,excetra. Im
trying to slave the 808 to the MP7 so I can sequence
samples to a track on the MP. When I set the 808 to
out
it seemed that I could only use it as a controller. I
did however just read the 808 manual which told me how
to switch on the midi clock/MTC(the 808 has both)
parameters. I did this successfully. But the 808 is
still acting as a controller triggering internal
sounds from the MP7 and no sample response from the
808. I did come upon a neat thing though,seems the
808s line fader volumes can controll the MP7
internally (which was cool to use when trying to
record a pattern and have sound drops). As you can
tell Im not that great with hardware as Ive really
only used software,but as I can see Im not the only to
 tire of a comp screen:) Ill figure this out soon Im
sure(Ill have to send myself to midi school LOL). I
would really like to thank you for your help and also
would like to state that this board is really an
invaluable resourse for neubies and pros alike~_^!    
--- drK <drk@...> wrote:
> On 12/5/02 4:28 AM, "john_b_32712"
> <john_b_32712@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello all!,
> > First posting here.... Perhaps Im daft, but im
> havin the darndest
> > prob tryin to sequence chase my sp808ex to my MP7.
> Since my 808
> > doesnt have a deadicated thru, I must switch the
> out over(to thru)
> > internally. When I do this the MP7 lox up and
> produces the most
> > anoying sound you ever heard when a pad is hit. I
> had the same
> > occurance happen when I had a MC307(before sent to
> eBay heaven LOL)
> > its midi channels started at 17(?!), but it had a
> omni setting(<old
> > tech aint it?) so it was cool to run with the
> likes of Sonar. No such
> > animal with the 808ex and have tried different
> channel combos and
> > sysex numbers. Any suggestions, or am I just over
> looking the obvious
> > through a cloud ov BudLight?
> 
> Seems you have formed a MIDI feedback loop.  Post
> you configuration info if
> you'd like, including hookup to confirm.
> 
> Here's what I am guessing is happening.  You have
> the output of the MP-7
> going to the input of the SP808 and the output of
> the SP808 going back to
> the MP-7.  There might be some things in-between but
> the gist of what I am
> suspecting is that somehow the MP-7 own MIDI output
> is finding its way back
> to its own MIDI input.  This will produce a type of
> feedback situation if
> the settings are a certain way on the MP-7.
> 
> Why are you requiring the MIDI-THRU on the SP808? 
> Which instrument is set
> to be the master clock, the MP-7 or the SP808?
> 
> One thing to be aware of with soft-thru's, which is
> what the SP808 has.
> When you switch the MIDI out to be a thru you loose
> the SP808's ability to
> send *any* MIDI information while it is in that
> mode.  There is no internal
> merging of the internal generated SP808 MIDI  (pad
> hits, D-Beam, knobs) with
> the incoming MIDI.  all that gets to the MIDI
> outport when the SP808 is in
> THRU mode is what is at its input port.
> 
> if you are not using the SP808 and the MP-7 with any
> other MIDI gear than I
> suggest that you do not need or want to use the MIDI
> thru.  If you are
> driving other modules from the MP-7 then I suggest
> you place the SP808 at
> the end of the MIDI chain (from the MP-7's output)
> and then connect it's
> output back into the MP7, if you want the SP808's
> pads and controls to be a
> controller to the MP-7.  If you need anything more
> complicated than that
> send some info about what your trying to accomplish
> and we'll see what we
> can come up with.
> 
> 
> drk
> 
> www.delora.com/music
> www.mp3.com/zdrk
> drk.iuma.com
> 
> 


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Re: [xl7] Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-05 by John Booker

Hi drk,
       thanx for the reply... I seem to have exposed
myself as quite the novice hehe. Yes you are very
correct the loop would explain lock up,excetra. Im
trying to slave the 808 to the MP7 so I can sequence
samples to a track on the MP. When I set the 808 to
out
it seemed that I could only use it as a controller. I
did however just read the 808 manual which told me how
to switch on the midi clock/MTC(the 808 has both)
parameters. I did this successfully. But the 808 is
still acting as a controller triggering internal
sounds from the MP7 and no sample response from the
808. I did come upon a neat thing though,seems the
808s line fader volumes can controll the MP7
internally (which was cool to use when trying to
record a pattern and have sound drops). As you can
tell Im not that great with hardware as Ive really
only used software,but as I can see Im not the only to
 tire of a comp screen:) Ill figure this out soon Im
sure(Ill have to send myself to midi school LOL). I
would really like to thank you for your help and also
would like to state that this board is really an
invaluable resourse for neubies and pros alike~_^!    
--- drK <drk@...> wrote:
> On 12/5/02 4:28 AM, "john_b_32712"
> <john_b_32712@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello all!,
> > First posting here.... Perhaps Im daft, but im
> havin the darndest
> > prob tryin to sequence chase my sp808ex to my MP7.
> Since my 808
> > doesnt have a deadicated thru, I must switch the
> out over(to thru)
> > internally. When I do this the MP7 lox up and
> produces the most
> > anoying sound you ever heard when a pad is hit. I
> had the same
> > occurance happen when I had a MC307(before sent to
> eBay heaven LOL)
> > its midi channels started at 17(?!), but it had a
> omni setting(<old
> > tech aint it?) so it was cool to run with the
> likes of Sonar. No such
> > animal with the 808ex and have tried different
> channel combos and
> > sysex numbers. Any suggestions, or am I just over
> looking the obvious
> > through a cloud ov BudLight?
> 
> Seems you have formed a MIDI feedback loop.  Post
> you configuration info if
> you'd like, including hookup to confirm.
> 
> Here's what I am guessing is happening.  You have
> the output of the MP-7
> going to the input of the SP808 and the output of
> the SP808 going back to
> the MP-7.  There might be some things in-between but
> the gist of what I am
> suspecting is that somehow the MP-7 own MIDI output
> is finding its way back
> to its own MIDI input.  This will produce a type of
> feedback situation if
> the settings are a certain way on the MP-7.
> 
> Why are you requiring the MIDI-THRU on the SP808? 
> Which instrument is set
> to be the master clock, the MP-7 or the SP808?
> 
> One thing to be aware of with soft-thru's, which is
> what the SP808 has.
> When you switch the MIDI out to be a thru you loose
> the SP808's ability to
> send *any* MIDI information while it is in that
> mode.  There is no internal
> merging of the internal generated SP808 MIDI  (pad
> hits, D-Beam, knobs) with
> the incoming MIDI.  all that gets to the MIDI
> outport when the SP808 is in
> THRU mode is what is at its input port.
> 
> if you are not using the SP808 and the MP-7 with any
> other MIDI gear than I
> suggest that you do not need or want to use the MIDI
> thru.  If you are
> driving other modules from the MP-7 then I suggest
> you place the SP808 at
> the end of the MIDI chain (from the MP-7's output)
> and then connect it's
> output back into the MP7, if you want the SP808's
> pads and controls to be a
> controller to the MP-7.  If you need anything more
> complicated than that
> send some info about what your trying to accomplish
> and we'll see what we
> can come up with.
> 
> 
> drk
> 
> www.delora.com/music
> www.mp3.com/zdrk
> drk.iuma.com
> 
> 


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Re: [xl7] Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-05 by John Booker

Hey rEalm,
          thanx for the input, you hit it on the head.
Sorry novice on the loose here~_^! Yeah your right
could be interesting to samp...maybe not so anoying
with some time stretch though hehe!
--- erik_magrini@... wrote:
> Sample that sound!  Samples of stuff crashing is
> always fun!  Make sure 
> you have the MIDI thru turned off in the XL-7,
> sounds like you're getting 
> a midi feedback loop.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> When I do this the MP7 lox up and produces the most
> anoying sound you ever 
> heard when a pad is hit.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


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Re: [xl7] Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-06 by Eddie Alvarez

the 808 can slave ONLY to MTC, and the MP7 doesn't produce a MidiTimeCode.  But you can slave the 808 -> MP7 with midiclock ( -

mobius





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Re: [xl7] Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-06 by drK

On 12/5/02 5:05 PM, "John Booker" <john_b_32712@...> wrote:

> Hi drk,
>      thanx for the reply... I seem to have exposed
> myself as quite the novice hehe. Yes you are very
> correct the loop would explain lock up,excetra. Im
> trying to slave the 808 to the MP7 so I can sequence
> samples to a track on the MP. When I set the 808 to
> out
> it seemed that I could only use it as a controller. I
> did however just read the 808 manual which told me how
> to switch on the midi clock/MTC(the 808 has both)
> parameters. I did this successfully. But the 808 is
> still acting as a controller triggering internal
> sounds from the MP7 and no sample response from the
> 808. I did come upon a neat thing though,seems the
> 808s line fader volumes can controll the MP7
> internally (which was cool to use when trying to
> record a pattern and have sound drops). As you can
> tell Im not that great with hardware as Ive really
> only used software,but as I can see Im not the only to
> tire of a comp screen:) Ill figure this out soon Im
> sure(Ill have to send myself to midi school LOL). I
> would really like to thank you for your help and also
> would like to state that this board is really an
> invaluable resourse for neubies and pros alike~_^!


Well its been a while since I have used my SP808...

If you go into the system setup edit menu (EDIT-SYSTEM/DISK) and select
"Select MIDI Param" you will be able to see and change the way the SP808
handles MIDI.  Here are some highlights:

1. Pads Rx Ch - controls what MIDI channel the samples assigned to pads
respond to and can be set from 1-10.  if you set it to OFF you will not be
able to play samples on the SP808 from the MP-7

2. Remote(Pad1) - sets the first note number the pad samples respond to.
You can move the playback range around with this if needed)

3. Pads Tx Ch. - this determines which MIDI channel the SP808 will send note
messages on.  You can set it to any MIDI channel (1-16) or you can set it
off.  when you set it OFF the pads will still be able to play samples but no
MIDI will be sent to the MP-7.

4. FX Ctrl Ch. - This controls what channel the three EFX knobs send on.
You can turn it off if you do not want the MP-7 to receive these control
change messages.

5. Mixer, D-Beam - When set to SEND the four mixer sliders, the Mic/PAD
slider, and the Master slider all will transmit MIDI control changes.  These
may or may not be useful to you as extra controllers or for recording
automation of the SP808 mixer into the MP-7.  The dual D-BEAM is also
controlled by this setting.

If all you are wishing to do is use the SP808 for sample playback (samples
assigned to pads and not recorded into SP808 tracks) then you will only need
to sync the SP808 and the MP-7 *if you are using BPM-synchronized effects in
the SP808*.  The simplest way to use the SP808 with the MP-7 is to connect
the SP808 MIDI input to one of the MP-7's MIDI outputs and record pad hits
into the MP-7's sequencer to cause the samples to play.  For this you do not
even need the SP808's MIDI output hooked up to the MP7.

If you do need to sync the two you only have one choice and that is to have
the SP808 be the master and have the MP-7 control its tempo from external
MIDI clock.  The MP-7 does not send or receive MIDI Time Code (MTC) and the
SP808 can only synchronize to external MTC.  So you will have to have the
SP808 set up as the master and send MIDI clock to the MP-7.  In this case
the SP808's MIDI out must connect to the MP-7's MIDI input.

My recommendation is to see how useful the SP808 is to you when it is just
having it's pad samples triggered from the MP-7.  This is by far the lest
complex setup.


drk

www.delora.com/music
www.mp3.com/zdrk
drk.iuma.com

Re: [xl7] Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-06 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

I used to have this problem with Cubase VST and earlier Echo drivers for 
my soundcard.  Occasionally the computer would lock up while I was playing 
a song, and emit the coolest "Matrix-like" sounds like the sample rate was 
slowing falling off.  Always pissed me off that the only way I had to 
record the sound was the computer, and it was all locked up!

rEalm
(don't apologize for being a novice, in the grand scheme of things, we all 
are)






Hey rEalm,
          thanx for the input, you hit it on the head.
Sorry novice on the loose here~_^! Yeah your right
could be interesting to samp...maybe not so anoying
with some time stretch though hehe!








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Re: [xl7] Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-07 by SmoovJazz29@aol.com

Hey peeps! I'm gettin a lil pissed off with these self generated tones coming 
out of my MP-7. It's like, as soon as I power up.......here comes these notes 
that aren't being played by me. I tried using the Midi/Enter method, but that 
doesn't seem to help at all. This is not good for recording or making 
patterns. I'm ready to send this thing back for something more reliable. I 
can't make masterpieces with these unexpected Midi farts going through the 
machine. Anyone got any suggestions?

Majik


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Re: [xl7] Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-07 by drK

On 12/6/02 11:31 PM, "SmoovJazz29@..." <SmoovJazz29@...> wrote:

> Hey peeps! I'm gettin a lil pissed off with these self generated tones coming
> out of my MP-7. It's like, as soon as I power up.......here comes these notes
> that aren't being played by me. I tried using the Midi/Enter method, but that
> doesn't seem to help at all. This is not good for recording or making
> patterns. I'm ready to send this thing back for something more reliable. I
> can't make masterpieces with these unexpected Midi farts going through the
> machine. Anyone got any suggestions?
> 
> Majik

I'm going to suggest some obvious things first because it just might be one
of these so bare with me if it seems too basic.

Is it possible that you have inadvertently have the "Audition" feature on?
Check that the AUDITION BUTTON's LED is off.  Audition is a built-in short
riff player that is helpful to try out presets.

Is the sequencer for certain off?  the STOP BUTTON LED should be ON and the
PLAY BUTTON LED off.

OK I do really doubt it was one of those but I had to bring up the obvious
just in case.

Here's my best guess though.

Are you using the MP-7 with additional gear and/or another sequencer (like a
computer for example)?  If you are you need to check how you have hooked all
of this up because it seems like you have a "midi feedback loop".  Try
disconnecting the MIDI input from your MP-7 if that stops the noise then
that is pretty good evidence you have a loop.

Fixing this is easy (besides leaving the MIDI input disconnected) but really
depends on how you have your gear set up.  If you could pass on a detailed
description of what you have and how MIDI is connected we can work through
this (I hope).

If I am off base on all of the ideas pass on some further details like what
gear is in the picture and how you have it set-up.


drk

www.delora.com/music
www.mp3.com/zdrk
drk.iuma.com

Re: [xl7] Sonick midi scream!

2002-12-08 by SmoovJazz29@aol.com

Yeah, I was told about the audition button before. But these aren't short 
riffs. It's like just jumbled up notes that just come unexpected, not to 
mention the faint buzzing sound that's bein thrown in with it. Right now I'm 
just using the MP-7 with just a Kaysound Midi controller. I've disconnected 
the controller but the problem is still there. I was thinking it was the 
cable or from still having the old OS. Is this enough information?

Majik


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