Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

In a message dated 20/10/02 3:13:15 am, edmann@... writes:

>MIDI, using E-loader. And OMS. No USB drivers yet for Mac. Please let 
>me know if you have any success. Some do, some do not (on mac). I do 
>not.

Hello everyone!,

I've been hanging around on this list for a couple of weeks now- I'm 
interested in getting an MP/XL-7- basically for the controllers and the grid 
programming feature- as imputting beats into Logic is so boring :( 

Whats the quantise like on the xl-7?- Is it as funky as the MPC's?- The xl-7 
would also accompany my Emu E4 perfectly!

In answer to the above question, I think the problem with USB lies with its 
limited bandwidth- The reason Nick (I presume that's your name?) is getting 
e-loader to work with his pismo is because he is using a decent MOTU powered 
usb interface-ie. an interface that isn't line powered from the powerbook 
itself. This is a problem I too have with programming my Yamaha AN1x via my 
Mac- my usb interface simply can't take it's high sysex (?) bandwidth (was 
midiman 2x2 midisport, now, Emagic mt4.)

Also- I noticed a past thread about popping and clicking while using the 
arpeggio facility.- Although still having not played with an xl-7, I assume 
it's the same synth architecture as the E4- something I get pops and clicks 
with too!- Although Emu deny this and respond with the notion that they 
haven't a clue what I'm talking about, I think it's to do with the dsp 
upgrading all the time because these instruments don't have dynamic 
allocation of voices. It's a pig- and it was even worse with my older 
estranged e6400 (with its 64 voices as opposed to 128). The only way around 
it was to use less midi channels all going at the same time- ie to record the 
channels seperately- and while playing live, just put up with it :(

Tom (UK) :-)

> In answer to the above question, I think the problem with USB lies with its 
> limited bandwidth- The reason Nick (I presume that's your name?) is getting 
> e-loader to work with his pismo is because he is using a decent MOTU powered 
> usb interface-ie. an interface that isn't line powered from the powerbook 
> itself.

Quite probably. I've used various self-powered interfaces and had
problems with them (the MidiMan ones in particular).

> I think it's to do with the dsp 
> upgrading all the time because these instruments don't have dynamic 
> allocation of voices.

You presumably mean "do" rather than "don't". I've certainly noticed
that there are all sorts of voice-stealing artifacts in the XL-7
(especially for a 128-voice machine).

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> In answer to the above question, I think the problem with USB lies >
with its limited bandwidth- The reason Nick (I presume that's your >>
name?) is getting  e-loader to work with his pismo is because he is 
using a decent MOTU powered  usb interface-ie. an interface that isn't 
line powered from the powerbook  itself. This is a problem I too have 
with programming my Yamaha AN1x via my  Mac- my usb interface simply 
can't take it's high sysex (?) bandwidth (was  midiman 2x2 midisport, 
now, Emagic mt4.)

***Thanks - and I wish it were this simple. I am using an AC powered.
MOTU MIDI Express XT. This situation even has the pros stumped. I have 
never had such a perplexing problem, and so that is why I now "take it 
to the streets" and ask: are there any other readers who cannot get e-
loader to work on a mac??  I wonder if it is because my XL7 has OS 
1.18. I have 1.31 but (of course) cannot load it because of the obvious 
- can't get e-loader to successfully up-download.

thanks in advance to all

gong

In a message dated 20/10/02 12:57:58 pm, nick@... writes:

>You presumably mean "do" rather than "don't". I've certainly noticed
>that there are all sorts of voice-stealing artifacts in the XL-7
>(especially for a 128-voice machine).
>
No-I mean 'don't'. As far as I know, you can assign certain groups of presets 
in the E4 to certain groups- but it dosen't work like say the Yamaha A3000 or 
Access Virus- where they single out what notes it thinks you can hear and 
what you can't.- The Emu system just dosen't work like that. You also have to 
remember that Emu mainly made instruments for fat-bellied prog-rockers- who's 
idea of 'jungle' is something that's hot and sweaty and full of things which 
will have you for lunch (hmm-perhaps that isn't such a good analogy- as most 
night clubs are like that too? hehehe!). So many of their instruments were 
supposed to work in 'Single' mode as opposed to 'Multi'- hence the snap, 
crackle and pop problems.

I think emu are in trouble right now because they hadn't expected that 
dance/electronic music would take off in the way that it has done- especially 
in the States. The XL-7 looks like a really good product, but it is still is 
a load of their old ideas squeezed into a more up to date package. Correct me 
if I am wrong. Also most stockists here in the UK can't get any emu products 
right now- well here in Birmingham anyway- which is well frustrating- 'cos 
imo emu still make the best and meatiest samplers on the market- Kontact or 
no Kontact.

As for USB, it will always be a great big pile of poo- I'm just really 
surprised why no music gear manufacturers have taken the Firewire challange? 
Don't get me wrong here- I'm not being some old negative bastard- but it's 
like, you have to work out what's right and buy that- unfortunately making 
music dosen't seem to be as punk-rock as it used to- and to get anything 
working properly these days, you have to shell out thousands of dollar just 
to get a piece of the action- and that's not good :(

Anyway, no one has answered my question about quantise yet?!

Tom :-)

> No-I mean 'don't'. As far as I know, you can assign certain groups
> of presets in the E4 to certain groups- but it dosen't work like say
> the Yamaha A3000 or Access Virus- where they single out what notes
> it thinks you can hear and what you can't.-

That's all very well if the system actually gets it right. A lot of
the instruments I've used with dynamic voice allocation don't. (The
XL-7 doesn't appear to either - it'll steal decay portions of voices
quite eagerly even if not much else is going on.) I've not played much
with the allocation grouping the XL offers.

> The Emu system just dosen't work like that. You also have to
> remember that Emu mainly made instruments for fat-bellied
> prog-rockers

Oh - I thought they started off with analogue synthesisers and then
decided to take a pot-shot at Fairlight and NED with the Emulator 1.

> So many of their instruments were 
> supposed to work in 'Single' mode as opposed to 'Multi'- hence the snap, 
> crackle and pop problems.

E-mu have been making samplers for many years - these are multitimbral
almost by nature - and their sound modules have been multitimbral at
least since the original Proteus 1.

I think the popping is filter overloading - the whole point of having
*fixed* filter programs was to try and avoid this.

> I think emu are in trouble right now because they hadn't expected
> that dance/electronic music would take off in the way that it has
> done- especially in the States. The XL-7 looks like a really good
> product, but it is still is a load of their old ideas squeezed into
> a more up to date package.

I don't mind the feature set too much, but wish the timing were
tighter and the software more reliable.

> As for USB, it will always be a great big pile of poo- I'm just
> really surprised why no music gear manufacturers have taken the
> Firewire challange?

Every computer in the world (or every computer that matters) has
USB. Few have Firewire yet. Also, the world of high-speed networking
in the audio industry has been littered with marketing failures
(MediaLan anyone? SMDI?) - and then there's stuff like MLAN out there
already.

> Anyway, no one has answered my question about quantise yet?!

Never use it - sorry.

-- 

  nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://www.cassiel.com

i had eloader going on my old ibook (indigo) running os 9.1 via a  
midiman 2x2, but i have upgraded to a new ibook, os 10.2, and am having  
loads of trouble. especially since the new os has a built in midi  
system, which makes initializing oms particularily annoying... still  
working on this in fact...

On Sunday, October 20, 2002, at 09:02 AM, gongvibe wrote:

>
>> In answer to the above question, I think the problem with USB lies >
> with its limited bandwidth- The reason Nick (I presume that's your >>
> name?) is getting  e-loader to work with his pismo is because he is
> using a decent MOTU powered  usb interface-ie. an interface that isn't
> line powered from the powerbook  itself. This is a problem I too have
> with programming my Yamaha AN1x via my  Mac- my usb interface simply
> can't take it's high sysex (?) bandwidth (was  midiman 2x2 midisport,
> now, Emagic mt4.)
>
> ***Thanks - and I wish it were this simple. I am using an AC powered.
> MOTU MIDI Express XT. This situation even has the pros stumped. I have
> never had such a perplexing problem, and so that is why I now "take it
> to the streets" and ask: are there any other readers who cannot get e-
> loader to work on a mac??  I wonder if it is because my XL7 has OS
> 1.18. I have 1.31 but (of course) cannot load it because of the obvious
> - can't get e-loader to successfully up-download.
>
> thanks in advance to all
>
> gong
>
>
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Am 20.10.2002 21:10 Uhr schrieb "nodalterror" unter <nodal@...>:

> i had eloader going on my old ibook (indigo) running os 9.1 via a
> midiman 2x2, but i have upgraded to a new ibook, os 10.2, and am having
> loads of trouble. especially since the new os has a built in midi
> system, which makes initializing oms particularily annoying... still
> working on this in fact...
> 

Work eLoader under OS X???? This were fantastic but i didn`t believe.

Richard

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no no no... unfortunately, i meant to add that under os 10.2 eloader   
defaults to the classic settings...


On Sunday, October 20, 2002, at 03:16 PM, Richard.Zelzer@...  
wrote:

> Am 20.10.2002 21:10 Uhr schrieb "nodalterror" unter  
> <nodal@...>:
>
>> i had eloader going on my old ibook (indigo) running os 9.1 via a
>> midiman 2x2, but i have upgraded to a new ibook, os 10.2, and am  
>> having
>> loads of trouble. especially since the new os has a built in midi
>> system, which makes initializing oms particularily annoying... still
>> working on this in fact...
>>
>
> Work eLoader under OS X???? This were fantastic but i didn`t believe.
>
> Richard
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Hi,

I use an ibook, too, but I haven´t installed OSX till now, U should read the
last 
keyboards-magazine as it should help U, I trhink there should be a new
Midiman download for 
OSX on their website, did U search it?

Cy,
Christoph

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it's not the midiman driver that is the issue, it is the os 10 built in  
midi system has conflicts with oms...

On Monday, October 21, 2002, at 10:07 AM, pocketd@... wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I use an ibook, too, but I haven´t installed OSX till now, U should  
> read the
> last
> keyboards-magazine as it should help U, I trhink there should be a new
> Midiman download for
> OSX on their website, did U search it?
>
> Cy,
> Christoph
>
> --  
> Neu: Fakten testen jetzt noch günstiger 35% billiger + ein Geschenk  
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Am 21.10.2002 20:44 Uhr schrieb "nodalterror" unter <nodal@...>:

> it's not the midiman driver that is the issue, it is the os 10 built in
> midi system has conflicts with oms...
> 
> On Monday, October 21, 2002, at 10:07 AM, pocketd@... wrote:
> 
In OS X you don`t need OMS. The new Midisystem is from the programmer of
OMS. OMS is only for OS 9

Richard

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