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New OS info

2002-10-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Hey all, 

This is the list Aaron (or was it Sean?) was referring to in regards to 
the suggestions we had asked for to make it into the next OS.  Note, this 
does NOT mean that all of these suggestions will be in the next OS, or 
that others won't be as well.  Just a refresher for the people new to the 
list, these are some of the features we asked for, a new EMu 2.0 OS will 
be so kick ass regardless!


1. A way to see if a Preset is saved in Pattern or not as you scroll 
through them in Preset view.  This would make it easier to free up memory 
and overwrite User Presets that are no longer being used.  Similarly, a 
way to erase or reset all unused Presets at once. 

2. The ability to record or enter Track Mutes in a Pattern and Song. 

3. A means to select and add a measure of silence at the end of a Pattern 
while in real time record mode.  this would allow you to avoid writing 
over the beginning of a Pattern when it loops around. 

4. The ability to make a layer sample playback in reverse. 

5. An Undo (Revert To Saved) keyboard shortcut, to make undoing a bad take 
easier and faster. 

6. The ability to use Arppegiators as gating devices, so that they could 
be set to control velocity as well as note ons. 

7. Short cuts or button presses that would allow you to latch the 
Arppegiator (as well as turn it on or off) on the current track, without 
needing to go into the Preset Edit menus. 

8. A way to select the current ARP by holding down the ARP button and 
scrolling with the data wheel. 

9. Finer increments of Tempo resolution.  IE, tempos smaller than whole 
numbers. 

10. Change the Mix View settings so that it only shows 16 channels at a 
time, but with increased resolution for each channel.  It's too difficult 
to accurately see your volume levels with 32 channels on the screen at 
once. 

11. Track selection scrolling.  IE, if you are on Track 16 and press +, 
the track should jump to Track 1, not remain at Track 16. 

12. The ability to assign a 16 step recorded phrase as an Arppegiator, 
instead of having to enter it step by step. 

13. Real-time erase with range selection. Instead of having to hold the 
actual notes you want to delete while in real-time record, you should be 
able to hold the highest and lowest notes and everything in-between that 
range will get deleted. 

14. The ability to turn on a feature that would let all actions send out 
sysex data. 

15. The ability to stop at a certain measure while in grid recording. 

16. A way to set up markers within longer Patterns, so that only the 
measures within that range will loop, making editing sections of larger 
Patterns easier. 

17. A front panel short cut to the Randomize Preset function. 

18. The ability to jump to a new Tempo without having to scroll to it, 
similar to the way Pattern Selection works during Playback. 

19. A means to filter different MIDI information before it gets sent to 
the MIDI outs, IE filter out program changes, CC's, etc. 

20. A way to store and recall different Mute Button scenes within 
Patterns, so that each pattern can have more than 1 Mute status saved with 
it. 

21. The ability to specify whether Preset and FX Send information is also 
copied when you copy a Track to a new Track. 

22. The ability to assign an Arppegiator as well as Note number and Preset 
to each of the Trigger buttons. 

23. A Preset Editor and/or Librarian included as part of E-Loader, so that 
user don't have to rely on sysex dumps for their Preset management. 

24. A way to select new Patterns without having to scroll.  Similar to RPS 
and RPPR functions. 

25. Real-time preview of quantize settings in Pattern Edit so you can hear 
your changes as you make them, as well as new Groove Quantize features. 

26. A Record Replace mode, not just Record Overdub. 

27. The means to a shift an entire track by a certain amount, ticks and 
quarter notes. 

28. The ability to record and playback sysex in order to make changes to 
external gear. 

29. Triggers should be syncable (quantizeable) to tempo, so that playback 
is in time with the pattern when you activate a Trigger/BTS. 

30. The ability to burn ROMs directly in the XL-7, without the need for an 
Emu sampler. 

31. A way to allow the 16 knobs to control Volume, Pan, and Note Values 
for each step while in Grid mode, similar to an analog style 
step-sequencer. 

32. A means to dim the Lamp Socket via software. 

33. The ability to select whether the XX-7 will let the selection of a new 
Pattern change the tempo to the value saved with that Pattern, instead of 
having the tempo remain the same from Pattern to Pattern while playing 
back. 

34. A way to erase an entire Pattern at once, including Mute status. 

35. Change the front panel power button sot hat it must be held for 3 
seconds before it begins the count down to Power Off in order to prevent 
accidentally powering down live. 

36. The ability for the Pattern Mute status to be carried over when 
selecting a new Pattern to allow smoother switching between drastically 
different Patterns. 

37. A way to select if the Pan and Volume knobs are set to control Tracks 
or MIDI channels. 

38. The means to swap out tracks from other patterns during play back, 
allowing you to slowly morph from one pattern to another on a Track by 
Track basis.  Similar to Megamixing. 

rEalm

Re: [xl7] New OS info

2002-10-01 by Jonathan El-Bizri

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>5. An Undo (Revert To Saved) keyboard shortcut, to make undoing a bad take
easier and faster.

Hmm. It would be much neater if there was a take-undo buffer when you
pressed record, but I suppose beggars can't be choosers. Using this in a
live setting would involve saving repeatedly on the fly, which can cause
glitches, and would also require multiple steps...

bIz

Re: New OS info

2002-10-01 by robotchas

These are all really good suggestions, including a lot of useful sequencer refinements.

> 2. The ability to record or enter Track Mutes in a Pattern and Song.

Muting as a whole is pretty rudimentary and could definitely use some improvement. All of the suggested changes would help.

> 4. The ability to make a layer sample playback in reverse.

I'm surprised at this one. My Morpheus will do this, and it's ancient. Why did they get rid of this feature?

> 15. The ability to stop at a certain measure while in grid recording.

Stop the editing "frame", that is, not the playback itself. This is vital.

> 24. A way to select new Patterns without having to scroll.  Similar to RPS
> and RPPR functions.

Actually, "Pattern Call" might be a better term - RPS would be nice too but it would be partly covered by item 12. Pattern Call is absolutely crucial since *every* other groovebox product out has this feature. It should also be possible to do this via MIDI, like on the Electribes.

> 25. Real-time preview of quantize settings in Pattern Edit so you can hear
> your changes as you make them, as well as new Groove Quantize features.

Timing control is another weak area.

> 28. The ability to record and playback sysex in order to make changes to
> external gear.

Vital.

> 30. The ability to burn ROMs directly in the XL-7, without the need for an
> Emu sampler.

This is the one that strikes me as the most difficult to implement. Would be nice though.

> 31. A way to allow the 16 knobs to control Volume, Pan, and Note Values
> for each step while in Grid mode, similar to an analog style
> step-sequencer.

Cool idea.

> 38. The means to swap out tracks from other patterns during play back,
> allowing you to slowly morph from one pattern to another on a Track by
> Track basis.  Similar to Megamixing.

Also cool.

Good list. I'm sure there will be welcome bugfixes as well.

My guess is E-mu will wait until after the MC-909 press release to announce the finalized upgrade list. That's what I would do, anyway.

Re: [xl7] Re: New OS info

2002-10-01 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Stop the editing "frame", that is, not the playback itself. This is vital.

>>>That's the intention.  <<<

Actually, "Pattern Call" might be a better term - RPS would be nice too 
but it would be partly covered by item 12. Pattern Call is absolutely 
crucial since *every* other groovebox product out has this feature. It 
should also be possible to do this via MIDI, like on the Electribes.

>>>Doh, my bad, good catch. It should be pattern call. <<<

Good list. I'm sure there will be welcome bugfixes as well.

>>>Got a list of bugs you know of? <<<

My guess is E-mu will wait until after the MC-909 press release to 
announce the finalized upgrade list. That's what I would do, anyway.

>>>Only 4 days away til the mc909 specs are supposed to be announced, not 
too long to wait.<<<

rEalm

Re: [xl7] New OS info

2002-10-01 by Nathan Larson

Sean, (if possible) please don't forget to add relative/jump settings for 
the knobs.  Then it would be almost like having endless rotary knobs!  Very 
handy when changing from volume tweeks to edit tweeks during a 
performance...

Nathan


>From: erik_magrini@...
>Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [xl7] New OS info
>Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:20:51 -0500
>
>Hey all,
>
>This is the list Aaron (or was it Sean?) was referring to in regards to
>the suggestions we had asked for to make it into the next OS.  Note, this
>does NOT mean that all of these suggestions will be in the next OS, or
>that others won't be as well.  Just a refresher for the people new to the
>list, these are some of the features we asked for, a new EMu 2.0 OS will
>be so kick ass regardless!
>
>
>1. A way to see if a Preset is saved in Pattern or not as you scroll
>through them in Preset view.  This would make it easier to free up memory
>and overwrite User Presets that are no longer being used.  Similarly, a
>way to erase or reset all unused Presets at once.
>
>2. The ability to record or enter Track Mutes in a Pattern and Song.
>
>3. A means to select and add a measure of silence at the end of a Pattern
>while in real time record mode.  this would allow you to avoid writing
>over the beginning of a Pattern when it loops around.
>
>4. The ability to make a layer sample playback in reverse.
>
>5. An Undo (Revert To Saved) keyboard shortcut, to make undoing a bad take
>easier and faster.
>
>6. The ability to use Arppegiators as gating devices, so that they could
>be set to control velocity as well as note ons.
>
>7. Short cuts or button presses that would allow you to latch the
>Arppegiator (as well as turn it on or off) on the current track, without
>needing to go into the Preset Edit menus.
>
>8. A way to select the current ARP by holding down the ARP button and
>scrolling with the data wheel.
>
>9. Finer increments of Tempo resolution.  IE, tempos smaller than whole
>numbers.
>
>10. Change the Mix View settings so that it only shows 16 channels at a
>time, but with increased resolution for each channel.  It's too difficult
>to accurately see your volume levels with 32 channels on the screen at
>once.
>
>11. Track selection scrolling.  IE, if you are on Track 16 and press +,
>the track should jump to Track 1, not remain at Track 16.
>
>12. The ability to assign a 16 step recorded phrase as an Arppegiator,
>instead of having to enter it step by step.
>
>13. Real-time erase with range selection. Instead of having to hold the
>actual notes you want to delete while in real-time record, you should be
>able to hold the highest and lowest notes and everything in-between that
>range will get deleted.
>
>14. The ability to turn on a feature that would let all actions send out
>sysex data.
>
>15. The ability to stop at a certain measure while in grid recording.
>
>16. A way to set up markers within longer Patterns, so that only the
>measures within that range will loop, making editing sections of larger
>Patterns easier.
>
>17. A front panel short cut to the Randomize Preset function.
>
>18. The ability to jump to a new Tempo without having to scroll to it,
>similar to the way Pattern Selection works during Playback.
>
>19. A means to filter different MIDI information before it gets sent to
>the MIDI outs, IE filter out program changes, CC's, etc.
>
>20. A way to store and recall different Mute Button scenes within
>Patterns, so that each pattern can have more than 1 Mute status saved with
>it.
>
>21. The ability to specify whether Preset and FX Send information is also
>copied when you copy a Track to a new Track.
>
>22. The ability to assign an Arppegiator as well as Note number and Preset
>to each of the Trigger buttons.
>
>23. A Preset Editor and/or Librarian included as part of E-Loader, so that
>user don't have to rely on sysex dumps for their Preset management.
>
>24. A way to select new Patterns without having to scroll.  Similar to RPS
>and RPPR functions.
>
>25. Real-time preview of quantize settings in Pattern Edit so you can hear
>your changes as you make them, as well as new Groove Quantize features.
>
>26. A Record Replace mode, not just Record Overdub.
>
>27. The means to a shift an entire track by a certain amount, ticks and
>quarter notes.
>
>28. The ability to record and playback sysex in order to make changes to
>external gear.
>
>29. Triggers should be syncable (quantizeable) to tempo, so that playback
>is in time with the pattern when you activate a Trigger/BTS.
>
>30. The ability to burn ROMs directly in the XL-7, without the need for an
>Emu sampler.
>
>31. A way to allow the 16 knobs to control Volume, Pan, and Note Values
>for each step while in Grid mode, similar to an analog style
>step-sequencer.
>
>32. A means to dim the Lamp Socket via software.
>
>33. The ability to select whether the XX-7 will let the selection of a new
>Pattern change the tempo to the value saved with that Pattern, instead of
>having the tempo remain the same from Pattern to Pattern while playing
>back.
>
>34. A way to erase an entire Pattern at once, including Mute status.
>
>35. Change the front panel power button sot hat it must be held for 3
>seconds before it begins the count down to Power Off in order to prevent
>accidentally powering down live.
>
>36. The ability for the Pattern Mute status to be carried over when
>selecting a new Pattern to allow smoother switching between drastically
>different Patterns.
>
>37. A way to select if the Pan and Volume knobs are set to control Tracks
>or MIDI channels.
>
>38. The means to swap out tracks from other patterns during play back,
>allowing you to slowly morph from one pattern to another on a Track by
>Track basis.  Similar to Megamixing.
>
>rEalm



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Re: New OS info

2002-10-01 by heinrich22001

and, please, don“t forget nr. 39, the record deal...

HEinrich

Re: [xl7] New OS info

2002-10-01 by just john

I still think this was a pretty darned good idea, tho nobody reacted to
it when I originally posted it:



<excerpt>Subject: [xl7] Feature Suggestion: A Track/Preset Display

Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com

Status:   


The manual seems to be based on the notion that we're so organized we
can

always plan ahead which track to associate with what preset, and that
we'd

remember this on the fly.


Well, for me, the common thing is to record something on a track using
one

preset and then to listen to it and think "This might sound even
better

with a different sound."  So I switch presets for the track.


I wind up with vastly different preset layouts for each pattern I do,
and

I've always wanted some sort of master display to remind me which
presets

were where.


And now, I've figured out how to implement it.


The LCD display defaults to two rows of 24 characters each.  How about
a

screen that's accessed via the "Mix" button that uses 3 characters per

track to ID the track's preset?  It would default to the 3-character
preset

category -- y'know, "Kb2" or "Brs" or "Bow".  Even this most basic

implementation would be incredibly helpful.  An even spiffier feature
would

allow the user to change the 3 characters to something else, which
would

help when you have four "Kb1" tracks right next to each other.  (I
realize

the spiffier version would be much more challenging to do, since it
would

mean additional data for a pattern to keep track of.)


Once you have the preset display, perhaps an underline could indicate

tracks that are enabled.  Of course, this would duplicate the function
of

the lights above the button rows, but hang on, I have a good use for
this.


With a screen that displays preset categories by track and which tracks
are

enabled, you can then implement something I asked for a while back --
a

track setup "look ahead" function.  Starting from the Next Pattern
screen,

some button combo would take you to this screen, which would have the
data

for the pattern to play after this one, so you'd have some notion what
was

coming up.  The spiffy version of this would allow you to enable and

disable tracks ahead of time -- another function people have been
asking

for.

</excerpt>


















<excerpt>Hey all,


This is the list Aaron (or was it Sean?) was referring to in regards to
the suggestions we had asked for to make it into the next OS.  Note,
this does NOT mean that all of these suggestions will be in the next
OS, or that others won't be as well.  Just a refresher for the people
new to the list, these are some of the features we asked for, a new EMu
2.0 OS will be so kick ass regardless!

1. A way to see if a Preset is saved in Pattern or not as you scroll
through them in Preset view.  This would make it easier to free up
memory and overwrite User Presets that are no longer being used.
 Similarly, a way to erase or reset all unused Presets at once.


2. The ability to record or enter Track Mutes in a Pattern and Song.


3. A means to select and add a measure of silence at the end of a
Pattern while in real time record mode.  this would allow you to avoid
writing over the beginning of a Pattern when it loops around.


4. The ability to make a layer sample playback in reverse.


5. An Undo (Revert To Saved) keyboard shortcut, to make undoing a bad
take easier and faster.


6. The ability to use Arppegiators as gating devices, so that they
could be set to control velocity as well as note ons.


7. Short cuts or button presses that would allow you to latch the
Arppegiator (as well as turn it on or off) on the current track,
without needing to go into the Preset Edit menus.


8. A way to select the current ARP by holding down the ARP button and
scrolling with the data wheel.


9. Finer increments of Tempo resolution.  IE, tempos smaller than whole
numbers.


10. Change the Mix View settings so that it only shows 16 channels at a
time, but with increased resolution for each channel.  It's too
difficult to accurately see your volume levels with 32 channels on the
screen at once.


11. Track selection scrolling.  IE, if you are on Track 16 and press +,
the track should jump to Track 1, not remain at Track 16.


12. The ability to assign a 16 step recorded phrase as an Arppegiator,
instead of having to enter it step by step.


13. Real-time erase with range selection. Instead of having to hold the
actual notes you want to delete while in real-time record, you should
be able to hold the highest and lowest notes and everything in-between
that range will get deleted.


14. The ability to turn on a feature that would let all actions send
out sysex data.


15. The ability to stop at a certain measure while in grid recording.


16. A way to set up markers within longer Patterns, so that only the
measures within that range will loop, making editing sections of larger
Patterns easier.


17. A front panel short cut to the Randomize Preset function.


18. The ability to jump to a new Tempo without having to scroll to it,
similar to the way Pattern Selection works during Playback.


19. A means to filter different MIDI information before it gets sent to
the MIDI outs, IE filter out program changes, CC's, etc.


20. A way to store and recall different Mute Button scenes within
Patterns, so that each pattern can have more than 1 Mute status saved
with it.


21. The ability to specify whether Preset and FX Send information is
also copied when you copy a Track to a new Track.


22. The ability to assign an Arppegiator as well as Note number and
Preset to each of the Trigger buttons.


23. A Preset Editor and/or Librarian included as part of E-Loader, so
that user don't have to rely on sysex dumps for their Preset
management.


24. A way to select new Patterns without having to scroll.  Similar to
RPS and RPPR functions.


25. Real-time preview of quantize settings in Pattern Edit so you can
hear your changes as you make them, as well as new Groove Quantize
features.


26. A Record Replace mode, not just Record Overdub.


27. The means to a shift an entire track by a certain amount, ticks and
quarter notes.


28. The ability to record and playback sysex in order to make changes
to external gear.


29. Triggers should be syncable (quantizeable) to tempo, so that
playback is in time with the pattern when you activate a Trigger/BTS.


30. The ability to burn ROMs directly in the XL-7, without the need for
an Emu sampler.


31. A way to allow the 16 knobs to control Volume, Pan, and Note Values
for each step while in Grid mode, similar to an analog style
step-sequencer.


32. A means to dim the Lamp Socket via software.


33. The ability to select whether the XX-7 will let the selection of a
new Pattern change the tempo to the value saved with that Pattern,
instead of having the tempo remain the same from Pattern to Pattern
while playing back.


34. A way to erase an entire Pattern at once, including Mute status.


35. Change the front panel power button sot hat it must be held for 3
seconds before it begins the count down to Power Off in order to
prevent accidentally powering down live.


36. The ability for the Pattern Mute status to be carried over when
selecting a new Pattern to allow smoother switching between drastically
different Patterns.


37. A way to select if the Pan and Volume knobs are set to control
Tracks or MIDI channels.


38. The means to swap out tracks from other patterns during play back,
allowing you to slowly morph from one pattern to another on a Track by
Track basis.  Similar to Megamixing.


rEalm

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Re: New OS info

2002-10-01 by Ravi Ivan Sharma

SOme good ideas there Just John.

Re: New OS info

2002-10-03 by robotchas

--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Stop the editing "frame", that is, not the playback itself. This is vital.
>
> >>>That's the intention.  <<<

Yeah, I knew that's what you meant. Just clarifying, probably unnecessarily.


> Good list. I'm sure there will be welcome bugfixes as well.
>
> >>>Got a list of bugs you know of? <<<

I don't - I'm a "holdout" (pighead, traitor, procrastinator). I'm waiting to see what OS 2.0 (and the MC-909) offer, then I'll make my decision. Er, once my bank account authorizes the use of force, that is.

Re: [xl7] New OS info

2002-10-04 by heyrag@netzero.net

Now that new os is apparant reality, and as a late request, I believe there 
is one function that could propell the command station into another 
powerfull realm. Knowing EMU and Ensoniq are merged and assuming members of 
the old VFX team may be lurking in the R+D dept still (I see some 
similarities, being an original VFX-SD owner) I believe this more than 
slightly possible. In the controllers menu, triggers buttom functions-there 
are 2 options, notes or beats parts. Seems like more than 2 options would 
be cake, I would love to see this one-Selects keyboard channel, such that 
with the triggers set to this, whichever trigger was selected output that 
channels preset(s) in real time, selecting more would layer in real time. 
In live situations up to 16 presets or combos could be accesed with a click 
of a button and on the fly. The old vfx used "double click" to layer, 
mighty innovative fot its time, and to my knowledge, no one else ever did, 
and this with tech from 15 years ago...so I know it could be done now! My 2 
cents.....

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