Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Damn, I thought the forum would be more active...  I've been posting 
like a madman.

I've been having some problems sending MIDI sequence data from SONAR 
2 to my command station, and I was wondering if I could get some 
help narrowing down my problem. It seems that any sequenced data 
that I try to send to my XL-7 gets cut off until about 
10 ticks into the data, so if I try to start something at 1:01:000 
it won't be picked up by my sequencer. The sound at 1:01:000 will 
play on the command station, but it doesn't seem to want to pick up 
the notes. I have to change the first notes in all my tracks to 
1:01:010 before they start getting recognized.  I have my XL-7 slaved 
to my computer, which transmits MIDI start/stop and all note info, 
and I have my command station in realtime record mode.  I know a 
lousy 10 ticks doesn't make TOO much of a difference, but its a real 
pain to have to do it to a lot of tracks.  Would this be a problem 
with my computer or my command station? Are there any Sonar users 
that have the same problem or a workaround?  Help!

sapo

What audio and midi interfaces are you using?

rEalm





joesapo <joesapo@...>
08/26/02 03:04 AM
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Damn, I thought the forum would be more active...  I've been posting 
like a madman.

I've been having some problems sending MIDI sequence data from SONAR 
2 to my command station, and I was wondering if I could get some 
help narrowing down my problem. It seems that any sequenced data 
that I try to send to my XL-7 gets cut off until about 
10 ticks into the data, so if I try to start something at 1:01:000 
it won't be picked up by my sequencer. The sound at 1:01:000 will 
play on the command station, but it doesn't seem to want to pick up 
the notes. I have to change the first notes in all my tracks to 
1:01:010 before they start getting recognized.  I have my XL-7 slaved 
to my computer, which transmits MIDI start/stop and all note info, 
and I have my command station in realtime record mode.  I know a 
lousy 10 ticks doesn't make TOO much of a difference, but its a real 
pain to have to do it to a lot of tracks.  Would this be a problem 
with my computer or my command station? Are there any Sonar users 
that have the same problem or a workaround?  Help!

sapo 




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I've just got a Sound Blaster Audigy hooked up to a my Live drive, 
with XP running.  I've pretty much tried all the time offsets and 
MIDI delays that I can find in Sonar.  Do you think it's my sound 
card?

--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> What audio and midi interfaces are you using?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> joesapo <joesapo@y...>
> 08/26/02 03:04 AM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
>  
>         To:     xl7@y...
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] MIDI recording problem
> 
> 
> Damn, I thought the forum would be more active...  I've been 
posting 
> like a madman.
> 
> I've been having some problems sending MIDI sequence data from 
SONAR 
> 2 to my command station, and I was wondering if I could get some 
> help narrowing down my problem. It seems that any sequenced data 
> that I try to send to my XL-7 gets cut off until about 
> 10 ticks into the data, so if I try to start something at 1:01:000 
> it won't be picked up by my sequencer. The sound at 1:01:000 will 
> play on the command station, but it doesn't seem to want to pick up 
> the notes. I have to change the first notes in all my tracks to 
> 1:01:010 before they start getting recognized.  I have my XL-7 
slaved 
> to my computer, which transmits MIDI start/stop and all note info, 
> and I have my command station in realtime record mode.  I know a 
> lousy 10 ticks doesn't make TOO much of a difference, but its a 
real 
> pain to have to do it to a lot of tracks.  Would this be a problem 
> with my computer or my command station? Are there any Sonar users 
> that have the same problem or a workaround?  Help!
> 
> sapo 
> 
> 
> 
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What's your latency?

rEalm





joesapo <joesapo@...>
08/26/02 08:19 AM
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        Subject:        [xl7] Re: MIDI recording problem


I've just got a Sound Blaster Audigy hooked up to a my Live drive, 
with XP running.  I've pretty much tried all the time offsets and 
MIDI delays that I can find in Sonar.  Do you think it's my sound 
card?

--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> What audio and midi interfaces are you using?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> joesapo <joesapo@y...>
> 08/26/02 03:04 AM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
> 
>         To:     xl7@y...
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] MIDI recording problem
> 
> 
> Damn, I thought the forum would be more active...  I've been 
posting 
> like a madman.
> 
> I've been having some problems sending MIDI sequence data from 
SONAR 
> 2 to my command station, and I was wondering if I could get some 
> help narrowing down my problem. It seems that any sequenced data 
> that I try to send to my XL-7 gets cut off until about 
> 10 ticks into the data, so if I try to start something at 1:01:000 
> it won't be picked up by my sequencer. The sound at 1:01:000 will 
> play on the command station, but it doesn't seem to want to pick up 
> the notes. I have to change the first notes in all my tracks to 
> 1:01:010 before they start getting recognized.  I have my XL-7 
slaved 
> to my computer, which transmits MIDI start/stop and all note info, 
> and I have my command station in realtime record mode.  I know a 
> lousy 10 ticks doesn't make TOO much of a difference, but its a 
real 
> pain to have to do it to a lot of tracks.  Would this be a problem 
> with my computer or my command station? Are there any Sonar users 
> that have the same problem or a workaround?  Help!
> 
> sapo 
> 
> 
> 
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BTW, just so I understand your issue, you're trying to record MIDI notes 
into your Command Station?  Why not just save the Sonar stuff as a MIDI 
file, then use E-Loader to transfer it into the XX-7?

rEalm



What's your latency? 

rEalm 




joesapo <joesapo@...> 
08/26/02 08:19 AM 
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I've just got a Sound Blaster Audigy hooked up to a my Live drive, 
with XP running.  I've pretty much tried all the time offsets and 
MIDI delays that I can find in Sonar.  Do you think it's my sound 
card?

--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> What audio and midi interfaces are you using?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> joesapo <joesapo@y...>
> 08/26/02 03:04 AM
> Please respond to xl7
> 
> 
>         To:     xl7@y...
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        [xl7] MIDI recording problem
> 
> 
> Damn, I thought the forum would be more active...  I've been 
posting 
> like a madman.
> 
> I've been having some problems sending MIDI sequence data from 
SONAR 
> 2 to my command station, and I was wondering if I could get some 
> help narrowing down my problem. It seems that any sequenced data 
> that I try to send to my XL-7 gets cut off until about 
> 10 ticks into the data, so if I try to start something at 1:01:000 
> it won't be picked up by my sequencer. The sound at 1:01:000 will 
> play on the command station, but it doesn't seem to want to pick up 
> the notes. I have to change the first notes in all my tracks to 
> 1:01:010 before they start getting recognized.  I have my XL-7 
slaved 
> to my computer, which transmits MIDI start/stop and all note info, 
> and I have my command station in realtime record mode.  I know a 
> lousy 10 ticks doesn't make TOO much of a difference, but its a 
real 
> pain to have to do it to a lot of tracks.  Would this be a problem 
> with my computer or my command station? Are there any Sonar users 
> that have the same problem or a workaround?  Help!
> 
> sapo 
> 
> 
> 
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I guess I hadn't thought of doing it that way, so far I've just been 
treating my XL-7 as a sound module, then transfering over stuff when 
I get something I like.  This would also probably also make sure that 
whatever tick a note starts on in my computer sequencer it also 
starts at that point on my command station.  As of right now, every 
note is just a *little* bit off, but good enough.  As far as latency 
in Cakewalk, I can't get any lower than about 10ms.  Do you think 
that this might be why I'm getting that recording latency?  I've 
tried using Cubase SX and Logic and Fruityloops (what I started on), 
but none perform with MIDI as well as Sonar.  Any help you might be 
able to offer would be great.

sapo

--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> BTW, just so I understand your issue, you're trying to record MIDI 
notes 
> into your Command Station?  Why not just save the Sonar stuff as a 
MIDI 
> file, then use E-Loader to transfer it into the XX-7?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> What's your latency? 
> 
> rEalm 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> joesapo <joesapo@y...> 
> 08/26/02 08:19 AM 
> Please respond to xl7 
>         
>         To:        xl7@y... 
>         cc:         
>         Subject:        [xl7] Re: MIDI recording problem
> 
> 
> 
> I've just got a Sound Blaster Audigy hooked up to a my Live drive, 
> with XP running.  I've pretty much tried all the time offsets and 
> MIDI delays that I can find in Sonar.  Do you think it's my sound 
> card?
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > What audio and midi interfaces are you using?
> > 
> > rEalm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > joesapo <joesapo@y...>
> > 08/26/02 03:04 AM
> > Please respond to xl7
> > 
> > 
> >         To:     xl7@y...
> >         cc: 
> >         Subject:        [xl7] MIDI recording problem
> > 
> > 
> > Damn, I thought the forum would be more active...  I've been 
> posting 
> > like a madman.
> > 
> > I've been having some problems sending MIDI sequence data from 
> SONAR 
> > 2 to my command station, and I was wondering if I could get some 
> > help narrowing down my problem. It seems that any sequenced data 
> > that I try to send to my XL-7 gets cut off until about 
> > 10 ticks into the data, so if I try to start something at 
1:01:000 
> > it won't be picked up by my sequencer. The sound at 1:01:000 will 
> > play on the command station, but it doesn't seem to want to pick 
up 
> > the notes. I have to change the first notes in all my tracks to 
> > 1:01:010 before they start getting recognized.  I have my XL-7 
> slaved 
> > to my computer, which transmits MIDI start/stop and all note 
info, 
> > and I have my command station in realtime record mode.  I know a 
> > lousy 10 ticks doesn't make TOO much of a difference, but its a 
> real 
> > pain to have to do it to a lot of tracks.  Would this be a 
problem 
> > with my computer or my command station? Are there any Sonar users 
> > that have the same problem or a workaround?  Help!
> > 
> > sapo 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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I think your best bet would be to save the stuff in Sonar as a MIDI file, 
then transfer via E-Loader.  That way you know everything will have rock 
solid timing, and the midi delay thing won't be an issue at all.  The 
Audigy is an ok card for gaming and normal use, but for a dedicated music 
making card, it's not quite up to spec.  Not saying that you can't use it 
to make music at all, but if you're serious about it and start spending 
more time doing it, you might want to look into a better card.

That being said, I don't think that you're going to be able to send MIDI 
from the computer and record it into the XX-7 with any better resolution 
than you're getting now regardless of the midi interface, maybe only a 
couple ms improvement at best.  If you are using the midi ports on the 
Audigy, a dedicated MIDI interface will probably help out your timing.  I 
use the midi port on my Echo Layla24 for most things, but when I need 
tight timing, I use a dedicated Midisport 2x2, which is only $60.

rEalm






I guess I hadn't thought of doing it that way, so far I've just been 
treating my XL-7 as a sound module, then transfering over stuff when 
I get something I like.  This would also probably also make sure that 
whatever tick a note starts on in my computer sequencer it also 
starts at that point on my command station.  As of right now, every 
note is just a *little* bit off, but good enough.  As far as latency 
in Cakewalk, I can't get any lower than about 10ms.  Do you think 
that this might be why I'm getting that recording latency?  I've 
tried using Cubase SX and Logic and Fruityloops (what I started on), 
but none perform with MIDI as well as Sonar.  Any help you might be 
able to offer would be great.