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I'm looking to get some good monitors for my setup.  I've been using 
crappy stuff for a long time.  While I'd really like to get a pair 
of Mackies or Event's, I won't be able to afford it.


What do you all think?  M-Audio's seem pretty good.  They say "this 
is the most important part of your studio setup."  And I've been 
slackin for a long time.

well.. I got a EVENT TRIAMP SYSTEM at ebay for round 400$... think it\ufffds a
good price... and for my kind of music ( Techno ) they are good enough...
heard that the Tannoy are good.... maybe if you don\ufffdt want to spent money
you should buy passive speakers... but you\ufffdll need a good amplifier...
you can look for GENELEC used at ebay... with luck you could fing a good
deal...
hope this helps a little bit...
greetz
dietmar

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From: "drj0" <drj0@...>
To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:48 AM
Subject: [xl7] Good monitors


> I'm looking to get some good monitors for my setup.  I've been using
> crappy stuff for a long time.  While I'd really like to get a pair
> of Mackies or Event's, I won't be able to afford it.
>
>
> What do you all think?  M-Audio's seem pretty good.  They say "this
> is the most important part of your studio setup."  And I've been
> slackin for a long time.
>
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Just out of interest, does anybody know what the difference (if any) is between Monitors and just regular HIFI speakers. I mean, if you buy some monitors for £500 and some normal speakers for £500 what would you expect to find different between them??

I've heard some people say that monitors are supposed to have a 'neutral' sound, ie. without too much mid, bass, or treble, but surely HIFI speakers should sound like this anyway??

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [xl7] Good monitors

> I'm looking to get some good monitors for my setup. I've been using
> crappy stuff for a long time. While I'd really like to get a pair
> of Mackies or Event's, I won't be able to afford it.
>
>
> What do you all think? M-Audio's seem pretty good. They say "this
> is the most important part of your studio setup." And I've been
> slackin for a long time.
>
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I use the Alesis M1Actives, picked them up for $475 US.  I think that for 
the price you can't get a better pair of actives, and I personally love 
them.  Only thing I've heard better for under $2k are those HR824's, but 
as you mention, pretty expensive.

Good monitors are definitely one of the thing you NEED to be able to hear 
what you're doing accurately.  But it's not just havig good monitors that 
makes a difference, it takes time to learn how they sound, and know how 
your mixes wil translate from those, to other speakers in the real world. 
If you get new monitors, be sure to spend some time listening to your 
favorite CDs on them, so that you really learn how accurate they sound.

rEalm





I'm looking to get some good monitors for my setup.  I've been using 
crappy stuff for a long time.  While I'd really like to get a pair 
of Mackies or Event's, I won't be able to afford it.

I've heard some people say that monitors are supposed to have a 'neutral' sound, ie. without too much mid, bass, or treble, but surely HIFI speakers should sound like this anyway??

>>>Until you get into the home audiophile price range (ie tens of thousands of dollars), sadly this is not usually the case. I'm lucky in that right across the street from where I live is an audiophile store, most things in there are over 3 or 4 grand each! They have a $175k demo listening room set up for the ultimate in 5.1 (and stereo) sound, and it's truly a wonder to hear. I can take CD's I've heard on top notch professional studio monitors (Genelec 1035's, Quested) there, and pick up on things I never noticed before. The people who own it are really cool, and never mind if stop by to listen to a song or two if they're not busy. Although they don't undertand that not all audiophiles strictly listen to classical music, and think my breaks CDs are a bit scary :) <<<

rEalm

I use the Alesis M1 Active Mk2's as well. I really like them. They seem to
work very well. I recently did some music for a new website I am producing
at work, and the mixes even sounded good on small computer speakers. And a
laptop. Imagine that.

mark

On 5/10/02 6:43 AM, "erik_magrini@..." <erik_magrini@...>
wrote:

> I use the Alesis M1Actives, picked them up for $475 US.  I think that for
> the price you can't get a better pair of actives, and I personally love
> them.  Only thing I've heard better for under $2k are those HR824's, but
> as you mention, pretty expensive.
> 
> Good monitors are definitely one of the thing you NEED to be able to hear
> what you're doing accurately.  But it's not just havig good monitors that
> makes a difference, it takes time to learn how they sound, and know how
> your mixes wil translate from those, to other speakers in the real world.
> If you get new monitors, be sure to spend some time listening to your
> favorite CDs on them, so that you really learn how accurate they sound.
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm looking to get some good monitors for my setup.  I've been using
> crappy stuff for a long time.  While I'd really like to get a pair
> of Mackies or Event's, I won't be able to afford it.
> 
>

2 Cents worth pick up the Alesis Monitor One's or the M-One Mk2's, cheap but
pretty accurate.

-----Original Message-----
From: drj0 [mailto:drj0@...]
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 1:49 AM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Good monitors


I'm looking to get some good monitors for my setup.  I've been using
crappy stuff for a long time.  While I'd really like to get a pair
of Mackies or Event's, I won't be able to afford it.


What do you all think?  M-Audio's seem pretty good.  They say "this
is the most important part of your studio setup."  And I've been
slackin for a long time.



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I would say stop slacking, and buy the Event 6's. They Kick Butt. Why 
buy something that is not you. If the Events are not you then look 
around, and buy the good sounding and look at spec's, you need near 
field monitors that are the flatest and true sounding.

Good luck and stop slacking....

BD





--- In xl7@y..., John Royle <jroyle@t...> wrote:
> Just out of interest, does anybody know what the difference (if 
any) is
> between Monitors and just regular HIFI speakers.  I mean, if you 
buy some
> monitors for £500 and some normal speakers for £500 what would you 
expect to
> find different between them??
> I've heard some people say that monitors are supposed to have 
a 'neutral'
> sound, ie. without too much mid, bass, or treble, but surely HIFI 
speakers
> should sound like this anyway??
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "drj0" <drj0@y...>
> To: <xl7@y...>
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:48 AM
> Subject: [xl7] Good monitors
> 
> 
> > I'm looking to get some good monitors for my setup.  I've been 
using
> > crappy stuff for a long time.  While I'd really like to get a pair
> > of Mackies or Event's, I won't be able to afford it.
> >
> >
> > What do you all think?  M-Audio's seem pretty good.  They 
say "this
> > is the most important part of your studio setup."  And I've been
> > slackin for a long time.
> >
> >
> >
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What about a SUB?  Do I NEED a sub if i'm producing dance music?   I 
had one before and it sounded sweet in my studio.  However, it made 
me go pretty easy on the bass...

--- In xl7@y..., "Andre Lewis" <andrel@s...> wrote:
> RE: [xl7] Good monitorsHome stereo speakers are sweetened, they 
are designed
> specifically to flatter most types of content, especially lower 
midrange and
> vocal areas.  They are not good for finding out your looppoints 
suck, or
> that you have a gnat sound happening in the chorus.  IMHO the 
ratings as far
> as pro near field are in this order from decent to best:  Yamaha 
NS10v2,
> Event 20/20, Alesis monitor 1 Mk 2, KRK V8,  Mackie HR824, JBL 
LSR28p,
> Genelec 1031A.  The Yamaha's are used to see what it will sound 
like in a
> worst case scenario, like a cheap radio.  Make it sound good on 
those and
> you should be fine.  Backup speakers only.  The JBL's and the 
Genelec's are
> close, many producers are down as saying they make better mixes 
with the
> JBL's.  That's my next purchase.  I've heard em and they are dead 
accurate.
> The mackies are a direct knockoff of the Genelecs, but not as high 
of
> quality.  Much better than anything else under a grand though.  
Best
> suggestion is to take a CD that you are intimate with, listen to 
it in the
> home stereo then the car and then on a bunch of monitors at a GC 
or your
> local music shop.  Compare how the different monitors change the 
sound.
> Look for good stereo imaging and be carefull if it sounds TOO 
sweet on a set
> of monitors.  Listen for bass response and keep an ear out to see 
if the
> bass gets really boomy at a particular frequency.  You should look 
at
> www.sospubs.co.uk and do a search on monitor articles, they have 
many on the
> art of getting a good nearfield monitor, and what to listen for.  
I'll stop
> rambling now,
> Andre
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: John Royle [mailto:jroyle@t...]
>   Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 3:01 AM
>   To: xl7@y...
>   Subject: RE: [xl7] Good monitors
> 
> 
>   Just out of interest, does anybody know what the difference (if 
any) is
> between Monitors and just regular HIFI speakers.  I mean, if you 
buy some
> monitors for £500 and some normal speakers for £500 what would you 
expect to
> find different between them??
> 
>   I've heard some people say that monitors are supposed to have 
a 'neutral'
> sound, ie. without too much mid, bass, or treble, but surely HIFI 
speakers
> should sound like this anyway??
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "drj0" <drj0@y...>
>   To: <xl7@y...>
>   Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:48 AM
>   Subject: [xl7] Good monitors
> 
> 
> 
>   > I'm looking to get some good monitors for my setup.  I've been 
using
>   > crappy stuff for a long time.  While I'd really like to get a 
pair
>   > of Mackies or Event's, I won't be able to afford it.
>   >
>   >
>   > What do you all think?  M-Audio's seem pretty good.  They 
say "this
>   > is the most important part of your studio setup."  And I've 
been
>   > slackin for a long time.
>   >
>   >
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A sub is for reinforcement, and good nearfields will represent the bass very
accurately up to a point.  The real problem is that anything below 80hz has such
a long wavelength that you would have to be about 15 feet back to really hear
it.  A sub can boost frequencies and you get basically a reflected version of
the wave.  That's why they have mid-field monitors (Besides making clients go
OOOHHh and Ahhhhh) so that the speaker is far enough away where they can
accurately hear the bass frequencies.  Basically it's nice, but it won't help
your mixes any especially if you don't really use any sub-bass.  Another reason
that you might want to get a sub is that the venting on a cabinet has a certain
resonance frequency, where the bass response causes resonance and you get
boosted bass for that frequency range.  Usually it's at a very low frequency
range, however sometimes it's noticable.  A sub cabinet has a different design
so you won't experience that.  Same thing with fully enclosed near field
monitors, since they have no venting.

Hope that didn't get too confusing,
Andre

-----Original Message-----
From: drj0 [mailto:drj0@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:25 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: Good monitors


What about a SUB?  Do I NEED a sub if i'm producing dance music?   I
had one before and it sounded sweet in my studio.  However, it made
me go pretty easy on the bass...

--- In xl7@y..., "Andre Lewis" <andrel@s...> wrote:
> RE: [xl7] Good monitorsHome stereo speakers are sweetened, they
are designed
> specifically to flatter most types of content, especially lower
midrange and
> vocal areas.  They are not good for finding out your looppoints
suck, or
> that you have a gnat sound happening in the chorus.  IMHO the
ratings as far
> as pro near field are in this order from decent to best:  Yamaha
NS10v2,
> Event 20/20, Alesis monitor 1 Mk 2, KRK V8,  Mackie HR824, JBL
LSR28p,
> Genelec 1031A.  The Yamaha's are used to see what it will sound
like in a
> worst case scenario, like a cheap radio.  Make it sound good on
those and
> you should be fine.  Backup speakers only.  The JBL's and the
Genelec's are
> close, many producers are down as saying they make better mixes
with the
> JBL's.  That's my next purchase.  I've heard em and they are dead
accurate.
> The mackies are a direct knockoff of the Genelecs, but not as high
of
> quality.  Much better than anything else under a grand though.
Best
> suggestion is to take a CD that you are intimate with, listen to
it in the
> home stereo then the car and then on a bunch of monitors at a GC
or your
> local music shop.  Compare how the different monitors change the
sound.
> Look for good stereo imaging and be carefull if it sounds TOO
sweet on a set
> of monitors.  Listen for bass response and keep an ear out to see
if the
> bass gets really boomy at a particular frequency.  You should look
at
> www.sospubs.co.uk and do a search on monitor articles, they have
many on the
> art of getting a good nearfield monitor, and what to listen for.
I'll stop
> rambling now,
> Andre
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: John Royle [mailto:jroyle@t...]
>   Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 3:01 AM
>   To: xl7@y...
>   Subject: RE: [xl7] Good monitors
>
>
>   Just out of interest, does anybody know what the difference (if
any) is
> between Monitors and just regular HIFI speakers.  I mean, if you
buy some
> monitors for \ufffd500 and some normal speakers for \ufffd500 what would you
expect to
> find different between them??
>
>   I've heard some people say that monitors are supposed to have
a 'neutral'
> sound, ie. without too much mid, bass, or treble, but surely HIFI
speakers
> should sound like this anyway??
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "drj0" <drj0@y...>
>   To: <xl7@y...>
>   Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:48 AM
>   Subject: [xl7] Good monitors
>
>
>
>   > I'm looking to get some good monitors for my setup.  I've been
using
>   > crappy stuff for a long time.  While I'd really like to get a
pair
>   > of Mackies or Event's, I won't be able to afford it.
>   >
>   >
>   > What do you all think?  M-Audio's seem pretty good.  They
say "this
>   > is the most important part of your studio setup."  And I've
been
>   > slackin for a long time.
>   >
>   >
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Subs are nice, but if they are not properly set up, they can cause you 
more problems than solutions.  I personally don't think they are 
NECCESARY, though nice to have if you can afford one.  The new Mackie one 
rocks BTW.

rEalm



What about a SUB?  Do I NEED a sub if i'm producing dance music?