Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

If you really want to get blown away, try Reason with
Live (from Ableton.) This makes a formidable laptop
weapon for the beat-oriented performer/composer.

However, I don't believe that software fully replaces
the 7's. The reliable hardware interface, great sounds
and overall "dedicated-ness" of the Command Station
concept  has both appeal and advantages (...you'll
never get an audio gltich because email has arrived,
etc...)

I love it all -- it's great creating patterns on the
'7, then sampling it into Live, then adding stuff with
Reason through ReWire, then syncing it all back up
with the '7. Too much fun.

-Forneau

--- Jonathan El-Bizri <sserendipity@...>
wrote:
> 
> I spent far too much time playing around with Reason
> last night. I was blown away. You can get >so< much
> more interactivity out of Reason than the X-boxes
> can provide, mainly due to the more functional
> sequencer section, and the fact that you can use all
> the buttons on your keyboard to control tracks. You
> have to check this one out guys.
> 
> I'm seriously considering selling the XL-7, though
> it would mean porting all my songs to Reason. I have
> yet to synch the two up - if only one or the other
> had better midi routing...  I'd use a logic
> environment to convert, but Logic is far too flaky
> to take on stage. Any suggetions?
> 
> Here's a request for ya emu:
> 
> More controller selections - being able to program
> the track buttons and knobs to more than one
> alternate setting. Ideally, something along the
> lines of a Peavey 1600 fader box. The XX-7s are,
> after all, supposed to be a master controllers...
> 
> bIz
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: mikexl7 
>   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 8:01 PM
>   Subject: [xl7] Re: Synching up
> 
> 
>   as for synching up i dont deal with that at all, 
> just spent alot of 
>   cash to get off the computer once and for all. 
> But when looking for 
>   midi controllers I would have to recomend you look
> at doepfer.  They 
>   have dedicated controllers with up to 64 knobs!!!
> and thats all 
>   thats on em.  
> 
>   what more could you want?!
> 
>   Mike G.
> 
>   --- In xl7@y..., "Jonathan El-Bizri"
> <sserendipity@n...> wrote:
>   > Hi,
>   > 
>   >     Is anyone out there using a pc with their
> xx-7? I'm just about 
>   to add a laptop running Reason and/or Live to my
> truly ridiculous 
>   one man rig. I was looking at second hardware
> sequencer, but 
>   software makes much more sense going forward. Any
> advice?
>   > 
>   >     I was thinking of using the triggers on the
> xl-7 to control 
>   tracks in reason, though 16 is a rather paltry
> number. Any 
>   suggestions on a supplementary controller - for
> the xl-7 as well as 
>   the pc?
>   > 
>   >     It's a pity that the USB port doesn't do
> midi - I'm probably 
>   going to have to go out and by a USB midi port and
> add all that 
>   extra cabling into the equation :<
>   > 
>   > Thanks,
>   > 
>   > bIz
>   > 
>   >     
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: erik_magrini@B... 
>   >   To: xl7@y... 
>   >   Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:45 PM
>   >   Subject: RE: [xl7] New OS Ideas and Questions
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Bless you!  Might want to have a doctor look
> at that... 
>   > 
>   >   rEalm 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Merci Beaucoup! 
>   > 
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>If you really want to get blown away, try Reason with
>Live (from Ableton.) This makes a formidable laptop
>weapon for the beat-oriented performer/composer.

Actually, I was running Reason under Live, but didn't have my sample
collection within close reach to do it justice. Besides, I'm more excited to
be able to make my own stuff. Live is about as cool as it gets using
pre-rendered loops, but you can't manpulate them all that much. I don't know
if I'd use it enough to justify its purchase.

>However, I don't believe that software fully replaces
>the 7's. The reliable hardware interface, great sounds
>and overall "dedicated-ness" of the Command Station
>concept  has both appeal and advantages (...you'll
>never get an audio gltich because email has arrived,
>etc...)

Naturally, my biggest fear. I've seen Reason crash and burn onstage already,
and hadn't given it a second thought since I saw Rebirth. However, I didn't
get a glitch >all night long<, and this was with Live running in the
background as "Master". It seems more solid on the PC platform than on the
macs I've played with it on.

My issue with the Command Station is the lack of control - 16 tracks is
barely any control at all. It sounds so good, though :>

>I love it all -- it's great creating patterns on the
>'7, then sampling it into Live, then adding stuff with
>Reason through ReWire, then syncing it all back up
>with the '7. Too much fun.
>

Yes. That live looping is insane. I'm going to see what the latency is like
when plugged into the rest of my groove rig.

bIz

bIz

Of course a single XL-7 is not far as good as Reason, since Reason is 
a whole "virtual" hardware rack.

But real synths like the XL-7 together with other synthesizers, 
samplers, mixers and effect proceesors in a real hardware rack is far 
better than Reason imho. That's why I prefer the XL-7. It's just a 
bit more expencive.

Also, real synths is more fun to bring to stage.

//Nifflas

--- In xl7@y..., "Jonathan El-Bizri" <sserendipity@n...> wrote:
> 
> I spent far too much time playing around with Reason last night. I 
was blown away. You can get >so< much more interactivity out of 
Reason than the X-boxes can provide, mainly due to the more 
functional sequencer section, and the fact that you can use all the 
buttons on your keyboard to control tracks. You have to check this 
one out guys.
> 
> I'm seriously considering selling the XL-7, though it would mean 
porting all my songs to Reason. I have yet to synch the two up - if 
only one or the other had better midi routing...  I'd use a logic 
environment to convert, but Logic is far too flaky to take on stage. 
Any suggetions?
> 
> Here's a request for ya emu:
> 
> More controller selections - being able to program the track 
buttons and knobs to more than one alternate setting. Ideally, 
something along the lines of a Peavey 1600 fader box. The XX-7s are, 
after all, supposed to be a master controllers...
> 
> bIz
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: mikexl7 
>   To: xl7@y... 
>   Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 8:01 PM
>   Subject: [xl7] Re: Synching up
> 
> 
>   as for synching up i dont deal with that at all,  just spent alot 
of 
>   cash to get off the computer once and for all.  But when looking 
for 
>   midi controllers I would have to recomend you look at doepfer.  
They 
>   have dedicated controllers with up to 64 knobs!!! and thats all 
>   thats on em.  
> 
>   what more could you want?!
> 
>   Mike G.
> 
>   --- In xl7@y..., "Jonathan El-Bizri" <sserendipity@n...> wrote:
>   > Hi,
>   > 
>   >     Is anyone out there using a pc with their xx-7? I'm just 
about 
>   to add a laptop running Reason and/or Live to my truly ridiculous 
>   one man rig. I was looking at second hardware sequencer, but 
>   software makes much more sense going forward. Any advice?
>   > 
>   >     I was thinking of using the triggers on the xl-7 to control 
>   tracks in reason, though 16 is a rather paltry number. Any 
>   suggestions on a supplementary controller - for the xl-7 as well 
as 
>   the pc?
>   > 
>   >     It's a pity that the USB port doesn't do midi - I'm 
probably 
>   going to have to go out and by a USB midi port and add all that 
>   extra cabling into the equation :<
>   > 
>   > Thanks,
>   > 
>   > bIz
>   > 
>   >     
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: erik_magrini@B... 
>   >   To: xl7@y... 
>   >   Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:45 PM
>   >   Subject: RE: [xl7] New OS Ideas and Questions
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Bless you!  Might want to have a doctor look at that... 
>   > 
>   >   rEalm 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Merci Beaucoup! 
>   > 
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>Of course a single XL-7 is not far as good as Reason, since Reason is
>a whole "virtual" hardware rack.
>

This is neither here nor there. A toy is a toy is a toy. It's not like I'm
comparing it to a fender strat. They are both 'all in one' sequencizers.

>But real synths like the XL-7 together with other synthesizers,
>samplers, mixers and effect proceesors in a real hardware rack is far
>better than Reason imho. That's why I prefer the XL-7. It's just a
>bit more expencive.

A bit? Yes. But I've already got a 25 spaces of gear, 4 pedalboards and the
obligatiory bunch of miscellaneous crap in my 'stripped down' live rig :/

Besides, for me, the real strong point of Reason is it's more complete level
of interactivity, not the tones. From something that you control with a
mouse, no less :/ When I can figure out a way to control it from the XL-7,
or vice versa, that isn't too clunky, I think I'll be in heaven.

>Also, real synths is more fun to bring to stage.

Loads more fun. The last gig I did, the guys ahead of me took an hour and a
half to set up for sound check, for a 45 minutes set. Fortunately, I take 10
minutes to bring my gear in, set up and sound check, or I wouldn't have been
able to play at all; they weren't halfway through breaking down when I
started :>

bIz

I guess we're kind of different.

Personally I'll never use computers again, somehow I feel that 
working with hardware sequencers is more inspiering (that is for me) -
 but whatever works for you you should use =)

//Nifflas

--- In xl7@y..., "Jonathan El-Bizri" <sserendipity@n...> wrote:
> 
> 
> >Of course a single XL-7 is not far as good as Reason, since Reason 
is
> >a whole "virtual" hardware rack.
> >
> 
> This is neither here nor there. A toy is a toy is a toy. It's not 
like I'm
> comparing it to a fender strat. They are both 'all in one' 
sequencizers.
> 
> >But real synths like the XL-7 together with other synthesizers,
> >samplers, mixers and effect proceesors in a real hardware rack is 
far
> >better than Reason imho. That's why I prefer the XL-7. It's just a
> >bit more expencive.
> 
> A bit? Yes. But I've already got a 25 spaces of gear, 4 pedalboards 
and the
> obligatiory bunch of miscellaneous crap in my 'stripped down' live 
rig :/
> 
> Besides, for me, the real strong point of Reason is it's more 
complete level
> of interactivity, not the tones. From something that you control 
with a
> mouse, no less :/ When I can figure out a way to control it from 
the XL-7,
> or vice versa, that isn't too clunky, I think I'll be in heaven.
> 
> >Also, real synths is more fun to bring to stage.
> 
> Loads more fun. The last gig I did, the guys ahead of me took an 
hour and a
> half to set up for sound check, for a 45 minutes set. Fortunately, 
I take 10
> minutes to bring my gear in, set up and sound check, or I wouldn't 
have been
> able to play at all; they weren't halfway through breaking down 
when I

> started :>
> 
> bIz

This is my opinion...dam how do you spell that?

I have been reading you guys going back and forth and it is rely a 
debate that could go on for ever.  I am getting some what near to a 
point where I can operate with out my computer all together but I am 
going backwords in the minds of most people out there.  I had always 
used my computer in all steps of making music up untill about seven 
months ago.  

Computers can be great but they have some serious problems.  The way 
i see it is like this.  Computers make great audio work stations.  
What I am talking about here is recording music.  When it is time to 
master what you have made dam get it in the computer, if possable 
run what ever sound card you have with some kind of tube if at all 
possable to warm it up a bit.  The reason I say this is becouse the 
software that i have used to do this has been very stable and has 
almost never caused me problems and it is super cheap even if you go 
out and spend like 3000 on plugins, it is noting when you compare it 
to the external gear.  Also once your work is done it is burned to a 
disc and is safe from crashes.

When it coms to playing music I would rather use a musical tool than 
a mouse,  or some controller that is never going to be as tight as 
you want it to be.  Also the software that I have used for making 
tracks has been very tricky to keep working.  I have used almost 
evry version of logic since 3.1 and they are just getting more and 
more complicated to keep working.  I have lost my work more times 
than I would like to mention using logic on a pc and it just hurts.  
And when you are working for cash and you have many people depending 
on you this is totaly not excptable in my life.  It is just way to 
much stress.


well I could go on for days but that is my basic thought on this one.

Peace Mike G.

I am now sp

--- In xl7@y..., "nifflas" <nifflas@m...> wrote:
> I guess we're kind of different.
> 
> Personally I'll never use computers again, somehow I feel that 
> working with hardware sequencers is more inspiering (that is for 
me) -
>  but whatever works for you you should use =)
> 
> //Nifflas
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "Jonathan El-Bizri" <sserendipity@n...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > >Of course a single XL-7 is not far as good as Reason, since 
Reason 
> is
> > >a whole "virtual" hardware rack.
> > >
> > 
> > This is neither here nor there. A toy is a toy is a toy. It's 
not 
> like I'm
> > comparing it to a fender strat. They are both 'all in one' 
> sequencizers.
> > 
> > >But real synths like the XL-7 together with other synthesizers,
> > >samplers, mixers and effect proceesors in a real hardware rack 
is 
> far
> > >better than Reason imho. That's why I prefer the XL-7. It's 
just a
> > >bit more expencive.
> > 
> > A bit? Yes. But I've already got a 25 spaces of gear, 4 
pedalboards 
> and the
> > obligatiory bunch of miscellaneous crap in my 'stripped down' 
live 
> rig :/
> > 
> > Besides, for me, the real strong point of Reason is it's more 
> complete level
> > of interactivity, not the tones. From something that you control 
> with a
> > mouse, no less :/ When I can figure out a way to control it from 
> the XL-7,
> > or vice versa, that isn't too clunky, I think I'll be in heaven.
> > 
> > >Also, real synths is more fun to bring to stage.
> > 
> > Loads more fun. The last gig I did, the guys ahead of me took an 
> hour and a
> > half to set up for sound check, for a 45 minutes set. 
Fortunately, 
> I take 10
> > minutes to bring my gear in, set up and sound check, or I 
wouldn't 

> have been
> > able to play at all; they weren't halfway through breaking down 
> when I
> > started :>
> > 
> > bIz

Like Reason huh?  Where you been man, that program rocks! :)  A lot of 
people bash it saying that it's a toy or not pro-level, but since it can 
import 24 bit samples and integrates seamlessly with Cubase, I don't think 
they know what they're talking about.  It's funny that you are thinking of 
selling your XL-7 and transferrign your songs to Reason, I'm trying to do 
the opposite!  Drum programming in Reason is sick sick sick, I'm dying to 
be able to transfer my drum samples from that to the XL-7 for use.  Too 
bad the hardware needed for burning roms is so outrageously expensive, I 
can't justify spending money on a E5000 just for this purpose.

Anyway, ReDrum and Dr.Rex are both worth the price of the program on their 
own, such flexibility with just those two modules!  Combined with ReCycle 
you can do amazing things to drum tracks....

rEalm




I spent far too much time playing around with Reason last night. I was 
blown away. You can get >so< much more interactivity out of Reason than 
the X-boxes can provide, mainly due to the more functional sequencer 
section, and the fact that you can use all the buttons on your keyboard to 
control tracks. You have to check this one out guys.
 
I'm seriously considering selling the XL-7, though it would mean porting 
all my songs to Reason. I have yet to synch the two up - if only one or 
the other had better midi routing...  I'd use a logic environment to 
convert, but Logic is far too flaky to take on stage. Any suggetions?

Now I remember!  It's been nagging at me since I first saw this thread ...


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"Reason"?  It was the ultimate executive's tool.  You give it the decision
you want it to arrive at, and it builds a convincing-sounding reason to get
there.
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