Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

I've never asked cause it makes me feel like such a noob, but i guess i 
shouldn't since my xx-7's main purpose is controll.
I've really started to appreciate teh mo-phat ROM and was making a 
pattern. made a preset or two. saved them. then saved the pattern with 
the presets on the desired tracks/channels. but when i power the system 
up, the channel settings are gone. presets are still there tough.

what am i doing wrong?

Maybe I didn't understand well...
Are the notes information from the pattern gone when you turn off/on the 
XL7???  I've never seen that problem....
 
I think there's a setting on the MIDI menu, to turn the patch changes on the MIDI channels on and off.
 
You realize that is off, when you are playing a pattern, and then select another one, and the new pattern selected, keeps playing but with the patches selected on the first pattern

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, malik <malik_martin@...> wrote:

From: malik <malik_martin@...>
Subject: [xl7] Confused about saving patterns.
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 12:08 AM






I've never asked cause it makes me feel like such a noob, but i guess i 
shouldn't since my xx-7's main purpose is controll.
I've really started to appreciate teh mo-phat ROM and was making a 
pattern. made a preset or two. saved them. then saved the pattern with 
the presets on the desired tracks/channels. but when i power the system 
up, the channel settings are gone. presets are still there tough.

what am i doing wrong?

 














      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Did the patterns (1) have note or event data; or (2) did you just set 
the presets using the display? If (2), either try inserting program 
events using the event editor or "dummy data." 

If you had note data in the patterns, it would seem that the presets 
should have been stored when you saved the pattern.

Hope this helps.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@...> wrote:
>
> I've never asked cause it makes me feel like such a noob, but i 
guess i 
> shouldn't since my xx-7's main purpose is controll.
> I've really started to appreciate teh mo-phat ROM and was making a 
> pattern. made a preset or two. saved them. then saved the pattern 
with 
> the presets on the desired tracks/channels. but when i power the 
system 
> up, the channel settings are gone. presets are still there tough.
> 
> what am i doing wrong?
>

hi guys,
thanks for the replies. I've saved note data but the preset still isnt 
saved to the track. i'll erase all note data and rerecord, save and 
reboot to confirm this.... so i put a bassline on pattern9. record some 
notes, save the PATTERN. and reboot. I navigate back to the pattern, 
press play i hear nothing. check the volumepanel to see if a red led 
lights up on channel 9, nothing. then i navigate to channel 9 on with 
the track/channel buttons and the track starts playing.
is my MP7 screwed up or something?

There is a thread in our message archive about 6 months ago that addresses this...I know because I participated...messages 19448 through 19469
In summary, there are 2 ways to have presets saved in a pattern, if you have receive program change ON, they are saved with the pattern.  If you have receive program change OFF, they are not and the alternate method is to save the preset assignment in a global "multi" setup....

Bob
El Segundo, CA




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: malik 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:14 PM
  Subject: [xl7] Re: Confused about saving patterns.


  hi guys,
  thanks for the replies. I've saved note data but the preset still isnt 
  saved to the track. i'll erase all note data and rerecord, save and 
  reboot to confirm this.... so i put a bassline on pattern9. record some 
  notes, save the PATTERN. and reboot. I navigate back to the pattern, 
  press play i hear nothing. check the volumepanel to see if a red led 
  lights up on channel 9, nothing. then i navigate to channel 9 on with 
  the track/channel buttons and the track starts playing.
  is my MP7 screwed up or something?



   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Bob,
All channels are set to on in the MIDI menu.
I did notice that my MIDI Mode was Multi but change was ignored.
I'll change this and see what happens.
That did it!! :)
Seems kind of a quirky thing though, doesn't it?
is there an RTFM explaination for this? or is it just something that 
would leave you screwed if you didn't have internet access? :)
thanks btw. off to read tha topic.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote:
>
> There is a thread in our message archive about 6 months ago that 
addresses this...I know because I participated...messages 19448 
through 19469
> In summary, there are 2 ways to have presets saved in a pattern, if 
you have receive program change ON, they are saved with the pattern.  
If you have receive program change OFF, they are not and the 
alternate method is to save the preset assignment in a global "multi" 
setup....
> 
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: malik 
>   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:14 PM
>   Subject: [xl7] Re: Confused about saving patterns.
> 
> 
>   hi guys,
>   thanks for the replies. I've saved note data but the preset still 
isnt 
>   saved to the track. i'll erase all note data and rerecord, save 
and 
>   reboot to confirm this.... so i put a bassline on pattern9. 
record some 
>   notes, save the PATTERN. and reboot. I navigate back to the 
pattern, 
>   press play i hear nothing. check the volumepanel to see if a red 
led 
>   lights up on channel 9, nothing. then i navigate to channel 9 on 
with 
>   the track/channel buttons and the track starts playing.
>   is my MP7 screwed up or something?
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

On the MIDI MODE screen, I always thought that CHANGE (either ignore 
or acceopted) referred to whether or not >>MIDI Mode changes<< would 
be ignored or accepted via midi. If so, it shouldn't affect whether 
or not program/patch/preset changes get sent or received. 

Anyhow, glad to hear you got it working.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
> All channels are set to on in the MIDI menu.
> I did notice that my MIDI Mode was Multi but change was ignored.
> I'll change this and see what happens.
> That did it!! :)
> Seems kind of a quirky thing though, doesn't it?
> is there an RTFM explaination for this? or is it just something 
that 
> would leave you screwed if you didn't have internet access? :)
> thanks btw. off to read tha topic.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@> wrote:
> >
> > There is a thread in our message archive about 6 months ago that 
> addresses this...I know because I participated...messages 19448 
> through 19469
> > In summary, there are 2 ways to have presets saved in a pattern, 
if 
> you have receive program change ON, they are saved with the 
pattern.  
> If you have receive program change OFF, they are not and the 
> alternate method is to save the preset assignment in a 
global "multi" 
> setup....
> > 
> > Bob
> > El Segundo, CA
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: malik 
> >   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:14 PM
> >   Subject: [xl7] Re: Confused about saving patterns.
> > 
> > 
> >   hi guys,
> >   thanks for the replies. I've saved note data but the preset 
still 
> isnt 
> >   saved to the track. i'll erase all note data and rerecord, save 
> and 
> >   reboot to confirm this.... so i put a bassline on pattern9. 
> record some 
> >   notes, save the PATTERN. and reboot. I navigate back to the 
> pattern, 
> >   press play i hear nothing. check the volumepanel to see if a 
red 
> led 
> >   lights up on channel 9, nothing. then i navigate to channel 9 
on 
> with 
> >   the track/channel buttons and the track starts playing.
> >   is my MP7 screwed up or something?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

We had this discussion with Aaron our experts and found that our unexpected control of preset saving by this setting is due to the internal midi architecture of the unit....for years I always used multis for saving preset used on the midi channel not knowing that a setting could change that...

Bob
El Segundo, CA
 

-----Original Message-----
>From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
>Sent: Nov 8, 2008 8:12 AM
>To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [xl7] Re: Confused about saving patterns.
>
>On the MIDI MODE screen, I always thought that CHANGE (either ignore 
>or acceopted) referred to whether or not >>MIDI Mode changes<< would 
>be ignored or accepted via midi. If so, it shouldn't affect whether 
>or not program/patch/preset changes get sent or received. 
>
>Anyhow, glad to hear you got it working.
>
>--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>> All channels are set to on in the MIDI menu.
>> I did notice that my MIDI Mode was Multi but change was ignored.
>> I'll change this and see what happens.
>> That did it!! :)
>> Seems kind of a quirky thing though, doesn't it?
>> is there an RTFM explaination for this? or is it just something 
>that 
>> would leave you screwed if you didn't have internet access? :)
>> thanks btw. off to read tha topic.
>> 
>> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@> wrote:
>> >
>> > There is a thread in our message archive about 6 months ago that 
>> addresses this...I know because I participated...messages 19448 
>> through 19469
>> > In summary, there are 2 ways to have presets saved in a pattern, 
>if 
>> you have receive program change ON, they are saved with the 
>pattern.  
>> If you have receive program change OFF, they are not and the 
>> alternate method is to save the preset assignment in a 
>global "multi" 
>> setup....
>> > 
>> > Bob
>> > El Segundo, CA
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >   From: malik 
>> >   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
>> >   Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:14 PM
>> >   Subject: [xl7] Re: Confused about saving patterns.
>> > 
>> > 
>> >   hi guys,
>> >   thanks for the replies. I've saved note data but the preset 
>still 
>> isnt 
>> >   saved to the track. i'll erase all note data and rerecord, save 
>> and 
>> >   reboot to confirm this.... so i put a bassline on pattern9. 
>> record some 
>> >   notes, save the PATTERN. and reboot. I navigate back to the 
>> pattern, 
>> >   press play i hear nothing. check the volumepanel to see if a 
>red 
>> led 
>> >   lights up on channel 9, nothing. then i navigate to channel 9 
>on 
>> with 
>> >   the track/channel buttons and the track starts playing.
>> >   is my MP7 screwed up or something?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >    
>> > 
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>
>

Thanks guys.
Read that topic btw. I'm still not sure why it works, but it does. I 
can get back to what i like to do now :)

--- In xl7@...m, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote:
>
> We had this discussion with Aaron our experts and found that our 
unexpected control of preset saving by this setting is due to the 
internal midi architecture of the unit....for years I always used 
multis for saving preset used on the midi channel not knowing that a 
setting could change that...
> 
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
> >Sent: Nov 8, 2008 8:12 AM
> >To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [xl7] Re: Confused about saving patterns.
> >
> >On the MIDI MODE screen, I always thought that CHANGE (either 
ignore 
> >or acceopted) referred to whether or not >>MIDI Mode changes<< 
would 
> >be ignored or accepted via midi. If so, it shouldn't affect 
whether 
> >or not program/patch/preset changes get sent or received. 
> >
> >Anyhow, glad to hear you got it working.
> >
> >--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Bob,
> >> All channels are set to on in the MIDI menu.
> >> I did notice that my MIDI Mode was Multi but change was ignored.
> >> I'll change this and see what happens.
> >> That did it!! :)
> >> Seems kind of a quirky thing though, doesn't it?
> >> is there an RTFM explaination for this? or is it just something 
> >that 
> >> would leave you screwed if you didn't have internet access? :)
> >> thanks btw. off to read tha topic.
> >> 
> >> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > There is a thread in our message archive about 6 months ago 
that 
> >> addresses this...I know because I participated...messages 19448 
> >> through 19469
> >> > In summary, there are 2 ways to have presets saved in a 
pattern, 
> >if 
> >> you have receive program change ON, they are saved with the 
> >pattern.  
> >> If you have receive program change OFF, they are not and the 
> >> alternate method is to save the preset assignment in a 
> >global "multi" 
> >> setup....
> >> > 
> >> > Bob
> >> > El Segundo, CA
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >   From: malik 
> >> >   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
> >> >   Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:14 PM
> >> >   Subject: [xl7] Re: Confused about saving patterns.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> >   hi guys,
> >> >   thanks for the replies. I've saved note data but the preset 
> >still 
> >> isnt 
> >> >   saved to the track. i'll erase all note data and rerecord, 
save 
> >> and 
> >> >   reboot to confirm this.... so i put a bassline on pattern9. 
> >> record some 
> >> >   notes, save the PATTERN. and reboot. I navigate back to the 
> >> pattern, 
> >> >   press play i hear nothing. check the volumepanel to see if a 
> >red 
> >> led 
> >> >   lights up on channel 9, nothing. then i navigate to channel 
9 
> >on 
> >> with 
> >> >   the track/channel buttons and the track starts playing.
> >> >   is my MP7 screwed up or something?
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> >    
> >> > 
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>