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2006-10-20 by scodoha04
What I'm trying to do is make a pseudo hammond organ drawbar arrangement. Having my presets tuned as different drawbar pipe lengths (16',5 1/3', 8', 4', 2, 2/3', 2', 1 3/5', 1 1/3', and 1) I'd like to be able to play a keyboard and have the XL7 respond on all channels with volume controlled by the realtime knobs. Is there a way to have all channels respond to the midi input simultaneously?
2006-10-20 by Zsolt Szabó
Sure.
Set them all to the same MIDI channel.
Zsolt
----- Original Message ----- From: "scodoha04" <scott.d.harvey@...> To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: [xl7] All channel play > What I'm trying to do is make a pseudo hammond organ drawbar > arrangement. Having my presets tuned as different drawbar pipe lengths > (16',5 1/3', 8', 4', 2, 2/3', 2', 1 3/5', 1 1/3', and 1) I'd like to > be able to play a keyboard and have the XL7 respond on all channels > with volume controlled by the realtime knobs. > Is there a way to have all channels respond to the midi input > simultaneously? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2006-10-20 by Aaron Eppolito
Easier would be to make a preset that does this. Each preset has 4 layers and can link to 2 other presets for a total of 12 layers. Then, you could set up patchcords to control each layer's volume with the MIDI A-N knobs. This way, you could continue to use the rest of the box's features (like the sequencer). Actually, now that I think of it, the preset approach is really the only way to do it. I don't think you could have the channels respond to other channels than what they are. You could sequence the notes, then copy them to multiple tracks, not not live. If your external keyboard could send 9 channels worth of MIDI it'd work, but that'd be a hassle. -Aaron --- scodoha04 <scott.d.harvey@...> wrote: > What I'm trying to do is make a pseudo hammond organ drawbar > arrangement. Having my presets tuned as different drawbar pipe > lengths > (16',5 1/3', 8', 4', 2, 2/3', 2', 1 3/5', 1 1/3', and 1) I'd like to > be able to play a keyboard and have the XL7 respond on all channels > with volume controlled by the realtime knobs. > Is there a way to have all channels respond to the midi input > simultaneously? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
2006-10-20 by scodoha04
Ahhh! Thanks. Patchcords is the answer. I had thought of the layers but was stumped as to how to control them. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:
> > Easier would be to make a preset that does this. Each preset has 4 > layers and can link to 2 other presets for a total of 12 layers. Then, > you could set up patchcords to control each layer's volume with the > MIDI A-N knobs. This way, you could continue to use the rest of the > box's features (like the sequencer). > > Actually, now that I think of it, the preset approach is really the > only way to do it. I don't think you could have the channels respond > to other channels than what they are. You could sequence the notes, > then copy them to multiple tracks, not not live. If your external > keyboard could send 9 channels worth of MIDI it'd work, but that'd be a > hassle. > > -Aaron > > --- scodoha04 <scott.d.harvey@...> wrote: > > > What I'm trying to do is make a pseudo hammond organ drawbar > > arrangement. Having my presets tuned as different drawbar pipe > > lengths > > (16',5 1/3', 8', 4', 2, 2/3', 2', 1 3/5', 1 1/3', and 1) I'd like to > > be able to play a keyboard and have the XL7 respond on all channels > > with volume controlled by the realtime knobs. > > Is there a way to have all channels respond to the midi input > > simultaneously? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
2006-10-21 by steve_the_composer
I just checked the sysex manual to see if there might be a way to assign midi channels individually to each of the 32 synth channels. However, unless there are some undocumented parameters for this, youi cannot fool the synth engine via sysex. Aaron once spelled out which parameters the linked presets inherit from the main preset definition and which parameters they don't. I think this was part of an explanation of why linked presets sound different when linked as opposed to when they are used individually. This might or might not affect your design of your presets. Your design sounds interesting. Feel free to share the results. I for one would be interested. -Steve --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "scodoha04" <scott.d.harvey@...> wrote: > > Ahhh! Thanks. Patchcords is the answer. I had thought of the layers > but was stumped as to how to control them. > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@> wrote: > > > > Easier would be to make a preset that does this. Each preset has 4 > > layers and can link to 2 other presets for a total of 12 layers. Then, > > you could set up patchcords to control each layer's volume with the > > MIDI A-N knobs. This way, you could continue to use the rest of the > > box's features (like the sequencer). > > > > Actually, now that I think of it, the preset approach is really the > > only way to do it. I don't think you could have the channels respond > > to other channels than what they are. You could sequence the notes, > > then copy them to multiple tracks, not not live. If your external > > keyboard could send 9 channels worth of MIDI it'd work, but that'd be a > > hassle. > > > > -Aaron > > > > --- scodoha04 <scott.d.harvey@> wrote: > > > > > What I'm trying to do is make a pseudo hammond organ drawbar > > > arrangement. Having my presets tuned as different drawbar pipe > > > lengths > > > (16',5 1/3', 8', 4', 2, 2/3', 2', 1 3/5', 1 1/3', and 1) I'd like to > > > be able to play a keyboard and have the XL7 respond on all channels
> > > with volume controlled by the realtime knobs. > > > Is there a way to have all channels respond to the midi input > > > simultaneously? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > >
2006-10-22 by scodoha04
My hopes have been dashed. I set up a preset with links and filled the sounds with sine waves tuned appropriately. Setup patchcords to use realtime controller knobs to adjust amp volume. This didn't work to adjust the volumes of each voice. Set each knob to midi control 7 but that just makes each knob control the overall volume. The sounds I have gotten are quite hammondish though. If the xl7 had two more stereo channels all would be good as the voices can be panned hard and sent out in six ways and then controlled at the mixer. I'm just shy 3 channels :( My dmpro could handle another 6 channels but I don't have the sine sound ...yet. Setting up hardwired drawbar configs seems my only route unless . . . --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> > I just checked the sysex manual to see if there might be a way to > assign midi channels individually to each of the 32 synth channels. > However, unless there are some undocumented parameters for this, > youi cannot fool the synth engine via sysex. > > Aaron once spelled out which parameters the linked presets inherit > from the main preset definition and which parameters they don't. I > think this was part of an explanation of why linked presets sound > different when linked as opposed to when they are used individually. > This might or might not affect your design of your presets. > > Your design sounds interesting. Feel free to share the results. I > for one would be interested. > > -Steve > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "scodoha04" <scott.d.harvey@> wrote: > > > > Ahhh! Thanks. Patchcords is the answer. I had thought of the > layers > > but was stumped as to how to control them. > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@> wrote: > > > > > > Easier would be to make a preset that does this. Each preset > has 4 > > > layers and can link to 2 other presets for a total of 12 > layers. Then, > > > you could set up patchcords to control each layer's volume with > the > > > MIDI A-N knobs. This way, you could continue to use the rest of > the > > > box's features (like the sequencer). > > > > > > Actually, now that I think of it, the preset approach is really > the > > > only way to do it. I don't think you could have the channels > respond > > > to other channels than what they are. You could sequence the > notes, > > > then copy them to multiple tracks, not not live. If your > external > > > keyboard could send 9 channels worth of MIDI it'd work, but > that'd be a > > > hassle. > > > > > > -Aaron > > > > > > --- scodoha04 <scott.d.harvey@> wrote: > > > > > > > What I'm trying to do is make a pseudo hammond organ drawbar > > > > arrangement. Having my presets tuned as different drawbar pipe > > > > lengths > > > > (16',5 1/3', 8', 4', 2, 2/3', 2', 1 3/5', 1 1/3', and 1) I'd > like to > > > > be able to play a keyboard and have the XL7 respond on all > channels > > > > with volume controlled by the realtime knobs. > > > > Is there a way to have all channels respond to the midi input > > > > simultaneously? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >
2006-10-22 by Aaron Eppolito
Hmm, that should have done it. The patchcord connection you should make for each layer is MIDI "X" -> AmpVol 100% where X is the knob you want to control that layer. You'll also want to turn AmpVol to -96dB for all the layers too, so that the patchcord has room to control the sound (i.e. if it's already at 0dB, adding to it won't make it much louder). Oh, and Steve's comment about parameters for linked presets is correct too. Initial controller amounts get their values picked up from the main preset, not the linked presets. Put another way, you'll want to save the controller values (for your layer volumes) in the main preset. -Aaron
----- Original Message ---- From: scodoha04 <scott.d.harvey@...> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:17:22 PM Subject: [xl7] Re: All channel play My hopes have been dashed. I set up a preset with links and filled the sounds with sine waves tuned appropriately. Setup patchcords to use realtime controller knobs to adjust amp volume. This didn't work to adjust the volumes of each voice. Set each knob to midi control 7 but that just makes each knob control the overall volume. The sounds I have gotten are quite hammondish though. If the xl7 had two more stereo channels all would be good as the voices can be panned hard and sent out in six ways and then controlled at the mixer. I'm just shy 3 channels :( My dmpro could handle another 6 channels but I don't have the sine sound ...yet. Setting up hardwired drawbar configs seems my only route unless . . . --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote: > > I just checked the sysex manual to see if there might be a way to > assign midi channels individually to each of the 32 synth channels. > However, unless there are some undocumented parameters for this, > youi cannot fool the synth engine via sysex. > > Aaron once spelled out which parameters the linked presets inherit > from the main preset definition and which parameters they don't. I > think this was part of an explanation of why linked presets sound > different when linked as opposed to when they are used individually. > This might or might not affect your design of your presets. > > Your design sounds interesting. Feel free to share the results. I > for one would be interested. > > -Steve > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "scodoha04" <scott.d.harvey@> wrote: > > > > Ahhh! Thanks. Patchcords is the answer. I had thought of the > layers > > but was stumped as to how to control them. > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@> wrote: > > > > > > Easier would be to make a preset that does this. Each preset > has 4 > > > layers and can link to 2 other presets for a total of 12 > layers. Then, > > > you could set up patchcords to control each layer's volume with > the > > > MIDI A-N knobs. This way, you could continue to use the rest of > the > > > box's features (like the sequencer). > > > > > > Actually, now that I think of it, the preset approach is really > the > > > only way to do it. I don't think you could have the channels > respond > > > to other channels than what they are. You could sequence the > notes, > > > then copy them to multiple tracks, not not live. If your > external > > > keyboard could send 9 channels worth of MIDI it'd work, but > that'd be a > > > hassle. > > > > > > -Aaron > > > > > > --- scodoha04 <scott.d.harvey@> wrote: > > > > > > > What I'm trying to do is make a pseudo hammond organ drawbar > > > > arrangement. Having my presets tuned as different drawbar pipe > > > > lengths > > > > (16',5 1/3', 8', 4', 2, 2/3', 2', 1 3/5', 1 1/3', and 1) I'd > like to > > > > be able to play a keyboard and have the XL7 respond on all > channels > > > > with volume controlled by the realtime knobs. > > > > Is there a way to have all channels respond to the midi input > > > > simultaneously? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-10-22 by steve_the_composer
1a. Try assigning each knob (MidiA through MidiP to a different CC. For example: REALTIME CONTROLLER# A: 70 B: 71 C: 72 D: 73 etc. 1b. Or you could just use your current [or the default] values. For example: REALTIME CONTROLLER# A: 74 B: 71 C: 25 D: 26 etc. 2. Then, in each layer, assign a different knob/CC to AmpVol. For example: L1 PATCHCORDS #01 [of main preset] MidiA --> AmpVol +30 L2 PATCHCORDS #01 [of main preset] MidiB --> AmpVol +30 L3 PATCHCORDS #01 [of main preset] MidiC --> AmpVol +30 etc. --Steve --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "scodoha04" <scott.d.harvey@...> wrote:
> > My hopes have been dashed. I set up a preset with links and filled > the sounds with sine waves tuned appropriately. Setup patchcords to > use realtime controller knobs to adjust amp volume. This didn't work > to adjust the volumes of each voice. Set each knob to midi control 7 > but that just makes each knob control the overall volume.
2006-10-22 by steve_the_composer
(1) Thanks for the clarification on the linked presets, Aaron. (2) I just tested the theory of my previous post about using different CC#s. (I am using the knobs in Quick Edit Mode). It works with L1 through L4 set up to Sinusoid wave (on the P2500) with L1 @ Course +00, L2 @ Course + 12, L 3 @ Course + 19, L 4 @ Course +24. Don't worry about changing CC numbers as I suggested as one option. Whatever CCs your E-Mu is set up to use should work, so long as you don't have MidiA through MidiP assigned anywhere else (layer or preset patchcords). As Aaron suggested, lower APLITUDE to -96dB. You can then set MidiX -- >AmpVol +100 and have the full range of the knob. Hope this helps. --Steve --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote: > > Hmm, that should have done it. The patchcord connection you should make for each layer is MIDI "X" -> AmpVol 100% where X is the knob you want to control that layer. You'll also want to turn AmpVol to - 96dB for all the layers too, so that the patchcord has room to control the sound (i.e. if it's already at 0dB, adding to it won't make it much louder). > > Oh, and Steve's comment about parameters for linked presets is correct too. Initial controller amounts get their values picked up from the main preset, not the linked presets. Put another way, you'll want to save the controller values (for your layer volumes) in the main preset. > > -Aaron > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: scodoha04 <scott.d.harvey@...> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:17:22 PM > Subject: [xl7] Re: All channel play > > My hopes have been dashed. I set up a preset with links and filled > the sounds with sine waves tuned appropriately. Setup patchcords to > use realtime controller knobs to adjust amp volume. This didn't work > to adjust the volumes of each voice. Set each knob to midi control 7 > but that just makes each knob control the overall volume. The sounds I > have gotten are quite hammondish though. If the xl7 had two more > stereo channels all would be good as the voices can be panned hard and > sent out in six ways and then controlled at the mixer. I'm just shy 3 > channels :( My dmpro could handle another 6 channels but I don't have > the sine sound ...yet. > Setting up hardwired drawbar configs seems my only route unless . . . > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote: > > > > I just checked the sysex manual to see if there might be a way to > > assign midi channels individually to each of the 32 synth channels. > > However, unless there are some undocumented parameters for this, > > youi cannot fool the synth engine via sysex. > > > > Aaron once spelled out which parameters the linked presets inherit > > from the main preset definition and which parameters they don't. I > > think this was part of an explanation of why linked presets sound > > different when linked as opposed to when they are used individually. > > This might or might not affect your design of your presets. > > > > Your design sounds interesting. Feel free to share the results. I > > for one would be interested. > > > > -Steve > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "scodoha04" <scott.d.harvey@> wrote: > > > > > > Ahhh! Thanks. Patchcords is the answer. I had thought of the > > layers > > > but was stumped as to how to control them. > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Easier would be to make a preset that does this. Each preset > > has 4 > > > > layers and can link to 2 other presets for a total of 12 > > layers. Then, > > > > you could set up patchcords to control each layer's volume with > > the > > > > MIDI A-N knobs. This way, you could continue to use the rest of > > the > > > > box's features (like the sequencer). > > > > > > > > Actually, now that I think of it, the preset approach is really > > the > > > > only way to do it. I don't think you could have the channels > > respond > > > > to other channels than what they are. You could sequence the > > notes, > > > > then copy them to multiple tracks, not not live. If your > > external > > > > keyboard could send 9 channels worth of MIDI it'd work, but > > that'd be a > > > > hassle. > > > > > > > > -Aaron > > > > > > > > --- scodoha04 <scott.d.harvey@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What I'm trying to do is make a pseudo hammond organ drawbar > > > > > arrangement. Having my presets tuned as different drawbar pipe > > > > > lengths > > > > > (16',5 1/3', 8', 4', 2, 2/3', 2', 1 3/5', 1 1/3', and 1) I'd > > like to > > > > > be able to play a keyboard and have the XL7 respond on all > > channels > > > > > with volume controlled by the realtime knobs. > > > > > Is there a way to have all channels respond to the midi input > > > > > simultaneously? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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2006-10-24 by scodoha04
I was having other strange things occur so decided to reload the sytem. Don't know if that was it but got the project working somewhat. The linke set was responding to both the patch and the realtime cc settings.I think toggling the disable/enable controller knobs with their values set at 0 cleared it. Not sure if this makes sense cause troubleshooting protocol was out the window at that point. The volume envelope for a constant on while key pressed would be what? ( atk1@100 dcy2@100 and all else @ 0 )? --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> > (1) Thanks for the clarification on the linked presets, Aaron. > > (2) I just tested the theory of my previous post about using > different CC#s. (I am using the knobs in Quick Edit Mode). It works > with L1 through L4 set up to Sinusoid wave (on the P2500) with L1 @ > Course +00, L2 @ Course + 12, L 3 @ Course + 19, L 4 @ Course +24. > > Don't worry about changing CC numbers as I suggested as one option. > Whatever CCs your E-Mu is set up to use should work, so long as you > don't have MidiA through MidiP assigned anywhere else (layer or > preset patchcords). > > As Aaron suggested, lower APLITUDE to -96dB. You can then set MidiX -- > >AmpVol +100 and have the full range of the knob. > > Hope this helps. > > --Steve > > > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@> wrote: > > > > Hmm, that should have done it. The patchcord connection you should > make for each layer is MIDI "X" -> AmpVol 100% where X is the knob > you want to control that layer. You'll also want to turn AmpVol to - > 96dB for all the layers too, so that the patchcord has room to > control the sound (i.e. if it's already at 0dB, adding to it won't > make it much louder). > > > > Oh, and Steve's comment about parameters for linked presets is > correct too. Initial controller amounts get their values picked up > from the main preset, not the linked presets. Put another way, > you'll want to save the controller values (for your layer volumes) in > the main preset. > > > > -Aaron > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: scodoha04 <scott.d.harvey@> > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:17:22 PM > > Subject: [xl7] Re: All channel play > > > > My hopes have been dashed. I set up a preset with links and filled > > the sounds with sine waves tuned appropriately. Setup patchcords to > > use realtime controller knobs to adjust amp volume. This didn't work > > to adjust the volumes of each voice. Set each knob to midi control 7 > > but that just makes each knob control the overall volume. The > sounds I > > have gotten are quite hammondish though. If the xl7 had two more > > stereo channels all would be good as the voices can be panned hard > and > > sent out in six ways and then controlled at the mixer. I'm just shy > 3 > > channels :( My dmpro could handle another 6 channels but I don't > have > > the sine sound ...yet. > > Setting up hardwired drawbar configs seems my only route > unless . . . > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote: > > > > > > I just checked the sysex manual to see if there might be a way to > > > assign midi channels individually to each of the 32 synth > channels. > > > However, unless there are some undocumented parameters for this, > > > youi cannot fool the synth engine via sysex. > > > > > > Aaron once spelled out which parameters the linked presets > inherit > > > from the main preset definition and which parameters they don't. > I > > > think this was part of an explanation of why linked presets sound > > > different when linked as opposed to when they are used > individually. > > > This might or might not affect your design of your presets. > > > > > > Your design sounds interesting. Feel free to share the results. I > > > for one would be interested. > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "scodoha04" <scott.d.harvey@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ahhh! Thanks. Patchcords is the answer. I had thought of the > > > layers > > > > but was stumped as to how to control them. > > > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Easier would be to make a preset that does this. Each preset > > > has 4 > > > > > layers and can link to 2 other presets for a total of 12 > > > layers. Then, > > > > > you could set up patchcords to control each layer's volume > with > > > the > > > > > MIDI A-N knobs. This way, you could continue to use the rest > of > > > the > > > > > box's features (like the sequencer). > > > > > > > > > > Actually, now that I think of it, the preset approach is > really > > > the > > > > > only way to do it. I don't think you could have the channels > > > respond > > > > > to other channels than what they are. You could sequence the > > > notes, > > > > > then copy them to multiple tracks, not not live. If your > > > external > > > > > keyboard could send 9 channels worth of MIDI it'd work, but > > > that'd be a > > > > > hassle. > > > > > > > > > > -Aaron > > > > > > > > > > --- scodoha04 <scott.d.harvey@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What I'm trying to do is make a pseudo hammond organ > drawbar > > > > > > arrangement. Having my presets tuned as different drawbar > pipe > > > > > > lengths > > > > > > (16',5 1/3', 8', 4', 2, 2/3', 2', 1 3/5', 1 1/3', and 1) > I'd > > > like to > > > > > > be able to play a keyboard and have the XL7 respond on all > > > channels > > > > > > with volume controlled by the realtime knobs. > > > > > > Is there a way to have all channels respond to the midi > input > > > > > > simultaneously? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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