Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

>>>>>how can you send midi directly from the sounddriver? how do you 
divide the chunks?

 

 

I wrote sounddiver, not sounddriver.  It's an editor/librarian program.  It's expensive for the full version but a free, single synth one came with the FIZMO.  When you load up sysex data to be sent, you can see the characters in little windows, divided into 'pages'.  I just sent one page at a time. In the case of the FIZMO, it uses a handshake protocol to acknowledge receipt of each part of the sysex transmission and subsequently requests the next part.  If you just blindly stream the whole sysex message into it then it won't take.  I don't know if the xx-7 does it that way, but I thought I would mention the process I went through with another device that is choosy about how it receives midi streams.

 

There are also several freeware sysex sending utilities that give you better control than windows media player.  Just do a search for 'freeware sysex' from Google or check this URL:

 

http://www.danphillips.com/wavestation/ws_syx_programs.htm#Windows

 

>>>>>the fact is that my evolution keyboard (that is also my midi 
interface) only has a midi out, so I cannot record midi flow on my 
computer, and I cannot do some usefull test like dump sysex from my 
xl-7 to pc and back. 

 

I have an Evolution MK249c controller, so I know what you mean (I dont use it for an assortment of reasons..like the pause between changing patches and no aftertouch)

 

What do you use to hook your computer to the xx-7?  The Midi stream goes out of the Evolution into the xx-7 and then what does it do?  Go out of the xx-7 into the computer?  Where does it go in?  If you have a Midi in on the computer then you presumably also have a Midi out.  Just temporarily disconnect the Midi cable from the Evolution and put it on the PC Midi out....when the transmission or test is done, then just switch the cable back.

 

You could also get a little 2x2 midi junction box or cheap router/switch and have both hooked up.

 

~snakefooot

 


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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, daxe <snakefooot@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> >>>>>how can you send midi directly from the sounddriver? how do 
you 
> divide the chunks?
> I wrote sounddiver, not sounddriver.  

Sorry I was thinking it was a typing error!


> There are also several freeware sysex sending utilities that give 
>you better control than windows media player.  Just do a search 
>for 'freeware sysex' from Google or check this URL:

I've tried with midiox but with exactly the same results!
but my sysex data are embedded in a midi file, I think it is 
necessary to use a sequencer for dumping them

> What do you use to hook your computer to the xx-7?  The Midi stream 
>goes out of the Evolution into the xx-7 and then what does it do?  
>Go out of the xx-7 into the computer?  Where does it go in?  If you 
>have a Midi in on the computer then you presumably also have a Midi 
>out.  Just temporarily disconnect the Midi cable from the Evolution 
>and put it on the PC Midi out....when the transmission or test is 
>done, then just switch the cable back.

I DON'T have a midi in. I just have the evolution as midi controller 
and it just have the midi out. 'till now I haven't had the need of a 
midi in. Is it necessary to have a midi in for midi dumping? Have I 
to buy it?

Davide

> There are also several freeware sysex sending utilities that give 
you better control than windows media player.

Just in case you misunderstood, WMP is not a sysex utility. It can 
however play midi files that contain sysex banks in a "playable" 
format. 

And so far as I know, sysex utilities such as found in midi-ox, 
cannot "play" midi files.  Of course, if I am wrong, I'd be happy to 
give those utilities a try.

--Steve

If your computer does not have a midi in, you cannot dump midi data to 
it (unless somehow you evolution offers two-way communication between 
your gear and your computer.  I have never used the evolution.

If all the evolution has is midi out which goes to your gear (and no 
in), I don't see how you were going to send the midi file with the 
sysex data to the e-mu in the first place.

To send sysex data from a computer to synth gear, you need a midi path 
from the computer to the gear. Unless I don't understand your setup, 
it doesn't seem like you have such a path.

Correct me if I am wrong, but this is your set up:

Evolution (midi out)======> E-mu (midi in)

Where is the midi path from the computer to the E-mu?

Hope this helps.

--Steve

> I DON'T have a midi in. I just have the evolution as midi controller 
> and it just have the midi out. 'till now I haven't had the need of a 
> midi in. Is it necessary to have a midi in for midi dumping? Have I 
> to buy it?

just for your information.
there are a few players in midi ox itself.
although im not sure what each one does.

but everytime i have any doubts about midi ox i've always been 
proven wrong.

that program has alot of potential.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> > There are also several freeware sysex sending utilities that 
give 
> you better control than windows media player.
> 
> Just in case you misunderstood, WMP is not a sysex utility. It can 
> however play midi files that contain sysex banks in a "playable" 
> format. 
> 
> And so far as I know, sysex utilities such as found in midi-ox, 
> cannot "play" midi files.  Of course, if I am wrong, I'd be happy 
to 

> give those utilities a try.
> 
> --Steve

I just took a quick look at some evolution manuals. (1) Some units 
only have midi out, (2) some have usb in/out + midi out, and (3) some 
have usb, midi out, and a game port.

If you have a unit with a usb in/out, you might be able to use it to 
pass sysex data from the computer to the e-mu, if the evolution 
doesn't mess it up.

My guess is that the evolution usb/midi drivers will not "play" the 
midi file properly through the evolution to your external gear.

In any case, I don't see anyway that you can pass sysex data into the 
computer.

What model evolution do you have?

The lowest cost solution for sysex in/out of the PC is a game port to midi adapter, about $10.  Don't expect it to keep close timing for sequencers, but for simple communication, it should work.

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...>
Sent: Sep 27, 2005 4:24 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: No midi path, no sysex

I just took a quick look at some evolution manuals. (1) Some units 
only have midi out, (2) some have usb in/out + midi out, and (3) some 
have usb, midi out, and a game port.

If you have a unit with a usb in/out, you might be able to use it to 
pass sysex data from the computer to the e-mu, if the evolution 
doesn't mess it up.

My guess is that the evolution usb/midi drivers will not "play" the 
midi file properly through the evolution to your external gear.

In any case, I don't see anyway that you can pass sysex data into the 
computer.

What model evolution do you have?    





 
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my setup work in this way
             
                usb                      midi
computer ----------->evolution ------------->xl-7
 
you can set up evolution to transmit the signal coming from the 
computer through his midi out. in cubase you can see and choose 
an "evolution midi out". The keybord doesn't have a midi in.
this set up usually works perfectly for normal midi transmission 
(midi events, controllers), it is the first time I try to send sysex 
through it.
Do I need a midi in in my computer in order to transmiti sysex from 
my computer to the xl-7? I've noticed that during transmission, the 
led "midi out"on the xl-7 flashes periodically. maybe do the xl-7 
transmit some kind of feedback after receiving sysex? At this moment 
I don't need to make midi dump from xl-7 to computer, I just want to 
uplaod this presets from Rob Papen
 
yesterday I've tried several things: firstly I've update the 
evolution usb midi driver. then I'v tried to send sysex of two user 
banks with Windows Media Player. the results has been slightly better 
the before. the first bank was nearly perfect, the second had errors. 
then I've analized the "bad" preset. They only have two kind of error:
- some layers were assigned to an xl-7 instrument (always the same 
instrument)
- some layers were assigned to a kit that shuold be silent but it 
plays. Rob Papen always put a 909 GM kit or other similar in layer 
four, don't know why but he do this nearly in all his presets. 
Usually this layer is muted, but in this "broken" preset you can hear 
it. If just switch off this layer the preset is ok. 
 
If the problem is the sysex transmission, I think I should have some 
more random errors in transmitted sysex
I start thinking that maybe the sysex transmission is ok, and the 
problem is elsewere...
 
thx
 
davide


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> I just took a quick look at some evolution manuals. (1) Some units 
> only have midi out, (2) some have usb in/out + midi out, and (3) 
some 
> have usb, midi out, and a game port.
> 
> If you have a unit with a usb in/out, you might be able to use it 
to 
> pass sysex data from the computer to the e-mu, if the evolution 
> doesn't mess it up.
> 
> My guess is that the evolution usb/midi drivers will not "play" the 
> midi file properly through the evolution to your external gear.
> 
> In any case, I don't see anyway that you can pass sysex data into 
the 

> computer.
> 
> What model evolution do you have?

Hi, why don't you download midiox at midiox.com, it's more easy to send sysex data. Perhaps it won't work properly because of the fact that you haven't a by directionnal midi connection. After , if you 've got bad preset it possible it's due to that. Have you try to do this with the usb connection i don't know if it work ( the usb of the xl7 i know it's work for pattern transfert and in this case you have the bydirectionnal midi ). After for the bad preset mentionned with the layer four you just have to change the range of the keyboard ( C-2 to B-1 ) and transpose this layer to a valor of + 36 semitones. After you will play normaly theses presets and can ear the rythmic layer playing the riffs of the techno synth ).

 

Hope that help.

 

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, BEAUFILS Adrien <fatalojyxvsfacial@y...> 
wrote:
<After for the bad preset mentionned with the layer four you just <have 
to change the range of the keyboard ( C-2 to B-1 ) and transpose this 
layer to a valor of + 36 semitones. After you will play normaly theses 
presets and can ear the rythmic layer playing the riffs of the techno 
synth ).

this is an interesting information! I finally understand why there is a 
drum kit in many of the TSCY preset!

This is what you needif you cant find / use  a cheap game port interface
if you have USB!!??

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/M-Audio-MIDISport-1x1-USB-MIDI-interface-brand-
new_W0QQitemZ7353093481QQcategoryZ14987QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Item number: 7353093481  

and...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Edirol-UM-2-USB-MIDI-input-
device_W0QQitemZ7353119947QQcategoryZ14987QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Item number: 7353119947


Gonz
 



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "eriksatie01" <waveplayer@t...> wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, BEAUFILS Adrien <fatalojyxvsfacial@y...> 
> wrote:
> <After for the bad preset mentionned with the layer four you just 
<have 
> to change the range of the keyboard ( C-2 to B-1 ) and transpose this 
> layer to a valor of + 36 semitones. After you will play normaly 
theses 
> presets and can ear the rythmic layer playing the riffs of the techno 
> synth ).
> 
> this is an interesting information! I finally understand why there is 
a 
> drum kit in many of the TSCY preset!

Those will work.....

-----Original Message-----
From: gonzinigonz <gonzini@...>
Sent: Sep 28, 2005 2:52 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: No midi path, no sysex

This is what you needif you cant find / use  a cheap game port interface
if you have USB!!??

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/M-Audio-MIDISport-1x1-USB-MIDI-interface-brand-
new_W0QQitemZ7353093481QQcategoryZ14987QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Item number: 7353093481  

and...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Edirol-UM-2-USB-MIDI-input-
device_W0QQitemZ7353119947QQcategoryZ14987QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Item number: 7353119947


Gonz
 



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "eriksatie01" <waveplayer@t...> wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, BEAUFILS Adrien <fatalojyxvsfacial@y...> 
> wrote:
> <After for the bad preset mentionned with the layer four you just 
<have 
> to change the range of the keyboard ( C-2 to B-1 ) and transpose this 
> layer to a valor of + 36 semitones. After you will play normaly 
theses 
> presets and can ear the rythmic layer playing the riffs of the techno 
> synth ).
> 
> this is an interesting information! I finally understand why there is 
a 
> drum kit in many of the TSCY preset!





 
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Yes, that's it! Many of the riffs in the techno synth contains an instrument riff + a rythmic part transposed to be not mixed with the instrument part. This is the same thing in the beat garden. Anybody knows if there are other cards like these two?
 
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