Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

I dont know if any of this will help you, but I had a terrible time getting my Ensoniq FIZMO to take an OS update through my gear and this is what I did:

 

I tried another midi interface..this one hooked up through USB.  The first interface I used was through my JLCooper MSB REv2+, which mangles everything sent through it.  I tried an Edirol UMX thing next.  I tried a bunch of programs but always got only a partial upload.

 

I had a little better luck when I removed everything else off that USB bus...it got almost all the way through but the data was still coming too fast.  FIZMOs are notorious for chiking on too-fast midi data (as well as bad voltage regulators).

 

What I finally had to do was send the sysex one chunk at a time from sounddiver.  The combo of this method, plus the USB interface not being 'interrupted' by other things on the same bus allowed me to get the sysex finally uploaded.

 

Some devices are crankier about the integrity of the midi data than some others, I guess.

 

Hope this helps, maybe give you some ideas.

 

~snakefooot

 

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I have the same feeling that could be something about the midi 
interface. I will try to disconnect eveything off from usb.
but what do you mean with "send the sysex one chunk at a time from 
sounddiver"?
how can you send midi directly from the sounddriver? how do you 
divide the chunks?

this evening I will try also with mediaplayer, and I think I will 
check if there is some update for the drivers

thx to everybody for the help!

davide

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, daxe <snakefooot@y...> wrote:
> 
> I dont know if any of this will help you, but I had a terrible time 
getting my Ensoniq FIZMO to take an OS update through my gear and 
this is what I did:
> 
>  
> 
> I tried another midi interface..this one hooked up through USB.  
The first interface I used was through my JLCooper MSB REv2+, which 
mangles everything sent through it.  I tried an Edirol UMX thing 
next.  I tried a bunch of programs but always got only a partial 
upload.
> 
>  
> 
> I had a little better luck when I removed everything else off that 
USB bus...it got almost all the way through but the data was still 
coming too fast.  FIZMOs are notorious for chiking on too-fast midi 
data (as well as bad voltage regulators).
> 
>  
> 
> What I finally had to do was send the sysex one chunk at a time 
from sounddiver.  The combo of this method, plus the USB interface 
not being 'interrupted' by other things on the same bus allowed me to 
get the sysex finally uploaded.
> 
>  
> 
> Some devices are crankier about the integrity of the midi data than 
some others, I guess.

> 
>  
> 
> Hope this helps, maybe give you some ideas.
> 
>  
> 
> ~snakefooot
> 
>  
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
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Hope you can get it resolved. BTW do you have an "old-fashioned" 
sound card with a joystick port in your system? If so, perhaps you 
could use it (with a midi/joystick cable which are dirt cheap now.

Sysex and midi were pretty straight forward pre-windows, and while 
Windows makes everything else possible, there is so much overhead 
that G-d knows what's happening to the byte-by-byte midi stream.

Anyhow, it sounds like you need to do some serious diagnosis, 
starting with the simplest possible midi flow and the simplest 
possible tests. (eg, get a setup so you can send one preset to the 
computer and receive one preset from the computer.)

To test sending and receiving you could try midi-ox or even e-
loader's midi monitor. In fact, try it with patterns and e-loader.  
Can you successfully get the names of a bank of patterns?  If so, 
sysex is working. If not, you've got a problem from the get go.  Can 
you download and upload patterns in e-loader? If you can, sysex is 
working. If not, you gotta work on the basics.

In using e-loader, when you scan for midi devices, does the e-mu 
show up (using the midi connection, not the usb host connection]?

Of course, if the windows media player thing will work off the bat, 
or if trying a different interface will work, great!!!

Good luck.

--Steve

Hmmmm. Just an afterthought--try some different cables.  Every so 
often I've gotten a cable that seems to work at least 99% of the 
time, but is 1% defective for some reason. 
 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "eriksatie01" <waveplayer@t...> wrote:
> I have the same feeling that could be something about the midi 
> interface. I will try to disconnect eveything off from usb.
> but what do you mean with "send the sysex one chunk at a time from 
> sounddiver"?
> how can you send midi directly from the sounddriver? how do you 
> divide the chunks?
> 
> this evening I will try also with mediaplayer, and I think I will 
> check if there is some update for the drivers
> 
> thx to everybody for the help!
> 
> davide
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, daxe <snakefooot@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > I dont know if any of this will help you, but I had a terrible 
time 
> getting my Ensoniq FIZMO to take an OS update through my gear and 
> this is what I did:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I tried another midi interface..this one hooked up through USB.  
> The first interface I used was through my JLCooper MSB REv2+, 
which 
> mangles everything sent through it.  I tried an Edirol UMX thing 
> next.  I tried a bunch of programs but always got only a partial 
> upload.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I had a little better luck when I removed everything else off 
that 
> USB bus...it got almost all the way through but the data was still 
> coming too fast.  FIZMOs are notorious for chiking on too-fast 
midi 
> data (as well as bad voltage regulators).
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > What I finally had to do was send the sysex one chunk at a time 
> from sounddiver.  The combo of this method, plus the USB interface 
> not being 'interrupted' by other things on the same bus allowed me 
to 
> get the sysex finally uploaded.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Some devices are crankier about the integrity of the midi data 
than 

> some others, I guess.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hope this helps, maybe give you some ideas.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > ~snakefooot
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
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> > 
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the fact is that my evolution keyboard (that is also my midi 
interface) only has a midi out, so I cannot record midi flow on my 
computer, and I cannot do some usefull test like dump sysex from my 
xl-7 to pc and back. 
but I still have several things to check. hope this evening I will 
find some time to try.
surely I will keep you informed about it!
thx

davide


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> Hope you can get it resolved. BTW do you have an "old-fashioned" 
> sound card with a joystick port in your system? If so, perhaps you 
> could use it (with a midi/joystick cable which are dirt cheap now.
> 
> Sysex and midi were pretty straight forward pre-windows, and while 
> Windows makes everything else possible, there is so much overhead 
> that G-d knows what's happening to the byte-by-byte midi stream.
> 
> Anyhow, it sounds like you need to do some serious diagnosis, 
> starting with the simplest possible midi flow and the simplest 
> possible tests. (eg, get a setup so you can send one preset to the 
> computer and receive one preset from the computer.)
> 
> To test sending and receiving you could try midi-ox or even e-
> loader's midi monitor. In fact, try it with patterns and e-loader.  
> Can you successfully get the names of a bank of patterns?  If so, 
> sysex is working. If not, you've got a problem from the get go.  
Can 
> you download and upload patterns in e-loader? If you can, sysex is 
> working. If not, you gotta work on the basics.
> 
> In using e-loader, when you scan for midi devices, does the e-mu 
> show up (using the midi connection, not the usb host connection]?
> 
> Of course, if the windows media player thing will work off the bat, 
> or if trying a different interface will work, great!!!
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> Hmmmm. Just an afterthought--try some different cables.  Every so 
> often I've gotten a cable that seems to work at least 99% of the 
> time, but is 1% defective for some reason. 
>  
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "eriksatie01" <waveplayer@t...> wrote:
> > I have the same feeling that could be something about the midi 
> > interface. I will try to disconnect eveything off from usb.
> > but what do you mean with "send the sysex one chunk at a time 
from 
> > sounddiver"?
> > how can you send midi directly from the sounddriver? how do you 
> > divide the chunks?
> > 
> > this evening I will try also with mediaplayer, and I think I will 
> > check if there is some update for the drivers
> > 
> > thx to everybody for the help!
> > 
> > davide
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, daxe <snakefooot@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I dont know if any of this will help you, but I had a terrible 
> time 
> > getting my Ensoniq FIZMO to take an OS update through my gear and 
> > this is what I did:
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I tried another midi interface..this one hooked up through 
USB.  
> > The first interface I used was through my JLCooper MSB REv2+, 
> which 
> > mangles everything sent through it.  I tried an Edirol UMX thing 
> > next.  I tried a bunch of programs but always got only a partial 
> > upload.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I had a little better luck when I removed everything else off 
> that 
> > USB bus...it got almost all the way through but the data was 
still 
> > coming too fast.  FIZMOs are notorious for chiking on too-fast 
> midi 
> > data (as well as bad voltage regulators).
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > What I finally had to do was send the sysex one chunk at a time 
> > from sounddiver.  The combo of this method, plus the USB 
interface 
> > not being 'interrupted' by other things on the same bus allowed 
me 

> to 
> > get the sysex finally uploaded.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Some devices are crankier about the integrity of the midi data 
> than 
> > some others, I guess.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps, maybe give you some ideas.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > ~snakefooot
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
> > > http://mail.yahoo.com 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]