Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Hey gang,
I want to share something with you guys that I've noticed about my XL-
7. Last night, I was recording some patterns from the XL-7 onto my 
Yamaha AW16G. I set-up my patterns as pieces of the song - pattern 1 
would be the intro, pattern 2 is the first verse, pattern three is 
the bridge, pattern 4 is the chorus, etc. Each pattern of a song has 
the same drum kit/instruments. I record each drum part on a seperate 
track in the XL-7s sequencer (ie: Kick on track 1, snare on 2, hi-hat 
on 3, etc.). Then, I record the tracks using the same method into my 
Yamaha AW16G. When I record the hi-hats, I've noticed that they don't 
always sound the same when the pattern switches. For instance, the hi-
hat in the intro pattern and the first verse pattern sounds bright 
and "ting-y" (I know it's not a word). When it switches to the 
chorus, it sounds like I've applied a filter to it, because it now 
sounds dull. So I'll start the process again, and the hi-hat will 
sound fine until I get to the third verse (or somewhere else), and 
it'll go dull again. By the time the final chorus comes along - it 
sounds bright again. Now, the difference is sound is not horribly 
noticeable, but it's enough that I can notice it (even if someone 
else might not be able to). I don't know if it's a problem with the 
XL-7 or the AW16G. I've tried switching cables, but the problem 
continues. Has anyone else had this problem? 

I should mention that I only use the Protean Drums ROM for my drum 
sounds. 

Thanks for any help/advice,
Fab

hey does anyone have realms old posts on how to create your own drum sounds  
via waveforms?  i checked the xl-7 yahoo files and archives to no  avail.....
 
it was some choice info....
 
tx..
 
plastic


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There are a few tips related to drums in the FAQs (such as making 
your own kits by using layers), but I am not sure that is what you 
are looking for.  I saved some of his posts and will try to find 
them. Do you remember anything more about the ones you are looking 
for? --Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, PLASTICEFX@a... wrote:
> hey does anyone have realms old posts on how to create your own 
drum sounds  
> via waveforms?  i checked the xl-7 yahoo files and archives to no  
avail.....

>  
> it was some choice info....
>  
> tx..
>  
> plastic
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Not sure this is it, but its worth a try. In song edit mode, check 
EVENT SOURCE fx. I usually set that to first pattern only, so that 
the fx settings stored with each pattern do not change in the middle 
of the song.

Other options include:
--song events only, all patterns, song and patterns.

Just a thought.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Fab Claxton" <fabclaxton@y...> wrote:

[snip]

> When I record the hi-hats, I've noticed that they don't always
> sound the same when the pattern switches. For instance, the hi
> hat in the intro pattern and the first verse pattern sounds bright 
> and "ting-y" (I know it's not a word). When it switches to the 
> chorus, it sounds like I've applied a filter to it, because it now 
> sounds dull. So I'll start the process again, and the hi-hat will 
> sound fine until I get to the third verse (or somewhere else), and 
> it'll go dull again. By the time the final chorus comes along - it 
> sounds bright again. 

[snip]

i think you're talking about the mix quality. am i right? happens to
me alot if i have hats rolling and a lead is playing or the snare
plays and the hat sounds different at that moment. 

i dunno if there is one on the command station but try eq-ing it out
and a bit of volume tweaking. you know how to eq sweep right?

sounds like the instruments for the presets is correct, but 
the "initial controllers" setting for each preset are different, 
despite the use of the same instrument.

On further inspection, I think it must be the cables I'm using. If I 
listen very closely using headphones to the XL-7 - there's no 
problem at all. At least I hope it's just the cables. It could be 
that it's the outputs on the XL-7, which would not be cool. But as I 
said - headphones plugged into the headphone jack produces perfect 
sound quality. 

Thanks for the responses,
Fab

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> 
> i think you're talking about the mix quality. am i right? happens 
to
> me alot if i have hats rolling and a lead is playing or the snare
> plays and the hat sounds different at that moment. 
> 
> i dunno if there is one on the command station but try eq-ing it 
out
> and a bit of volume tweaking. you know how to eq sweep right?

ould also be your spekers now that u mentioned headphones.
you using hifs or monitors?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Fab Claxton" <fabclaxton@y...> wrote:

> 
> On further inspection, I think it must be the cables I'm using. If I 
> listen very closely using headphones to the XL-7 - there's no 
> problem at all. At least I hope it's just the cables. It could be 
> that it's the outputs on the XL-7, which would not be cool. But as I 
> said - headphones plugged into the headphone jack produces perfect 
> sound quality. 
> 
> Thanks for the responses,
> Fab
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > i think you're talking about the mix quality. am i right? happens 
> to
> > me alot if i have hats rolling and a lead is playing or the snare
> > plays and the hat sounds different at that moment. 
> > 
> > i dunno if there is one on the command station but try eq-ing it 
> out
> > and a bit of volume tweaking. you know how to eq sweep right?

I'm just using stereo speakers for the moment, until I get reference 
monitors. I noticed the noise change on the headphones, originally. 
I'm convinced that it must be the cables I'm using to connect the XL-
7 to the AW16G. If I listen closely to the headphones plugged into 
the XL-7, the sound is perfect. If I listen to the AW16G with the 
headphones (after I've recorded the hi-hats), the sound change is 
noticeable. If I use the stereo speakers to listen to the AW16G's 
playback, the sound change is noticeable as well. So obviously it 
must be the cabling between the XL-7 and the AW16G. Unless, as 
previously mentioned, there's something wrong with the left and 
right Audio outs on the XL-7. I hope it's just the cables.....

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> 
> ould also be your spekers now that u mentioned headphones.
> you using hifs or monitors?
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Fab Claxton" <fabclaxton@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > On further inspection, I think it must be the cables I'm using. 
If I 
> > listen very closely using headphones to the XL-7 - there's no 
> > problem at all. At least I hope it's just the cables. It could 
be 
> > that it's the outputs on the XL-7, which would not be cool. But 
as I 
> > said - headphones plugged into the headphone jack produces 
perfect 
> > sound quality. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the responses,
> > Fab
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > i think you're talking about the mix quality. am i right? 
happens 
> > to
> > > me alot if i have hats rolling and a lead is playing or the 
snare
> > > plays and the hat sounds different at that moment. 
> > > 
> > > i dunno if there is one on the command station but try eq-ing 
it 
> > out
> > > and a bit of volume tweaking. you know how to eq sweep right?

Well, unfortunately, I've determined that's it's the left and right 
audio outs on the XL-7, not the cables I'm using. I've tried 
recording by connecting the headphone jack of the XL-7 to the AW16G 
audio in using a 1/4" cable, and the sound is perfect. There is no 
change in the sound whatsoever. Also, the overall sound is slightly 
clearer. Oh well - time to re-record all of my patterns. Bah 
humbug....
Fab

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Fab Claxton" <fabclaxton@y...> wrote:
> 
> I'm just using stereo speakers for the moment, until I get 
reference 
> monitors. I noticed the noise change on the headphones, 
originally. 
> I'm convinced that it must be the cables I'm using to connect the 
XL-
> 7 to the AW16G. If I listen closely to the headphones plugged into 
> the XL-7, the sound is perfect. If I listen to the AW16G with the 
> headphones (after I've recorded the hi-hats), the sound change is 
> noticeable. If I use the stereo speakers to listen to the AW16G's 
> playback, the sound change is noticeable as well. So obviously it 
> must be the cabling between the XL-7 and the AW16G. Unless, as 
> previously mentioned, there's something wrong with the left and 
> right Audio outs on the XL-7. I hope it's just the cables.....
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > ould also be your spekers now that u mentioned headphones.
> > you using hifs or monitors?
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Fab Claxton" <fabclaxton@y...> 
wrote:
> > > 
> > > On further inspection, I think it must be the cables I'm 
using. 
> If I 
> > > listen very closely using headphones to the XL-7 - there's no 
> > > problem at all. At least I hope it's just the cables. It could 
> be 
> > > that it's the outputs on the XL-7, which would not be cool. 
But 
> as I 
> > > said - headphones plugged into the headphone jack produces 
> perfect 
> > > sound quality. 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the responses,
> > > Fab
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > i think you're talking about the mix quality. am i right? 
> happens 
> > > to
> > > > me alot if i have hats rolling and a lead is playing or the 
> snare
> > > > plays and the hat sounds different at that moment. 
> > > > 
> > > > i dunno if there is one on the command station but try eq-
ing 

> it 
> > > out
> > > > and a bit of volume tweaking. you know how to eq sweep right?

Are you using balanced cables?  If so, that might be your problem.  One
of the output jacks is stereo, the other contains a mono mix.  I can't
remember if that gets disabled in the software when both cables are
plugged in, but try unbalanced cables for kicks...

-Aaron

--- Fab Claxton <fabclaxton@...> wrote:

> Well, unfortunately, I've determined that's it's the left and right 
> audio outs on the XL-7, not the cables I'm using. I've tried 
> recording by connecting the headphone jack of the XL-7 to the AW16G 
> audio in using a 1/4" cable, and the sound is perfect. There is no 
> change in the sound whatsoever. Also, the overall sound is slightly 
> clearer. Oh well - time to re-record all of my patterns. Bah 
> humbug....
> Fab


		
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Hmmmm....I don't know, honestly. I'm using the same cables (1/4") 
that I use to plug a guitar into an amp, or my mic preamp into the 
AW16G. I mostly only hook up the mono (right) output of the XL-7 
into the AW16G. But like I said - if I unplug the cable from the 
mono output and plug it into the headphone jack - the sound is 
unchanging and crystal clear. That's what makes me think it's not 
the cables, but the outputs. What's the difference between balanced 
and unbalanced cables? I don't even know which kind I have. 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> Are you using balanced cables?  If so, that might be your 
problem.  One
> of the output jacks is stereo, the other contains a mono mix.  I 
can't
> remember if that gets disabled in the software when both cables are
> plugged in, but try unbalanced cables for kicks...
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> --- Fab Claxton <fabclaxton@y...> wrote:
> 
> > Well, unfortunately, I've determined that's it's the left and 
right 
> > audio outs on the XL-7, not the cables I'm using. I've tried 
> > recording by connecting the headphone jack of the XL-7 to the 
AW16G 
> > audio in using a 1/4" cable, and the sound is perfect. There is 
no 
> > change in the sound whatsoever. Also, the overall sound is 
slightly 

> > clearer. Oh well - time to re-record all of my patterns. Bah 
> > humbug....
> > Fab
> 
> 
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