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From: Thorsten Marx

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Subject: [xl7] XL7 Sequencer for playing external MIDI

Hi there,

 

I'm thinking about buying an XL7 because I like the idea of creating and arranging music without a computer .My question is, how good is the sequencer for playing an external MIDI device, in my case I would trigger an Ensoniq ASR-X sampler. Is the timing OK? Are the functions handy?

 

Thanks for any reply!

 

Thorsten

 

 

 

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No, for controlling your extrenal gear, this is not what you're 
looking for.

* The OS has many bugs and the machine sometimes crashes
* Stupid re-channelize. If you wish to use a MIDI keyboard to control 
the XL-7 and also the external synths, the midi thru doesn't behave 
as you would expect from a sequencer. Check the other posts for more 
info about this. Also it seems like the EMU guys have no plans to fix 
this, at least not now. (Perhaps they havn't realized how important 
this is)
* I have multisetups on my synths that gets messed up if the XL-7 
sends volume, pan or program change messages. Yet it does this 
automaticly if an "out" track is enabled, so I had to buy a MIDI 
filter to filter out such messages.

I'm very dissapointed with the sequencer part of the XL-7. I 
recommend you to check out the Kawai Q80EXE instead. And there's also 
many other great hardware sequencers.

//Nifflas

--- In xl7@y..., "Thorsten Marx" <t.marx@h...> wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I'm thinking about buying an XL7 because I like the idea of 
creating and arranging music without a computer .My question is, how 
good is the sequencer for playing an external MIDI device, in my case 
I would trigger an Ensoniq ASR-X sampler. Is the timing OK? Are the 
functions handy?
> 
> Thanks for any reply!
> 
> Thorsten
> 
> 
> 
> "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US"

"Thorsten Marx" <t.marx@h...> wrote:

> I'm thinking about buying an XL7 because I like the idea of
> creating and arranging music without a computer .My question is, how
> good is the sequencer for playing an external MIDI device, in my case
> I would trigger an Ensoniq ASR-X sampler. Is the timing OK? Are the
> functions handy?

nifflas replied:

> No, for controlling your extrenal gear, this is not what you're
> looking for.

In your opinion.  Prove me wrong, but I think you'll find few other
all-in-one boxes that perform as well.  You have full control over what gets
sent to external gear if you set the tracks to external.  You have 32
external midi channels plus 32 internal channels with 128 voices of
polyphony.  You have 16 programmable knobs just waiting to control every
aspect of your external synths.  You have full record on the fly capabilities
with almost nothing that makes you stop the sequencer.  You have complete
interactivity with the arrangement of patterns without having to fit them
into a "style" or flatten them down into a song.  I could go on and on, but
I'll let you read the reviews (Jan 2002 issue of Keyboard gave it a Key Buy).



> * The OS has many bugs and the machine sometimes crashes

I'll be the first to admit that there are a few bugs.  I'm not sure I'd
classify them as "many", but I won't argue there.  E-mu has a strong history
of supporting its users.  We continuously add features and bugfixes, add
provide them free for the downloading.  We not too long ago released updates
for the original E-IV classics, a product that shipped in 1994.  We still are
adding features to XL-7 and are trying to fix as many problems as we can
find.  There's a release scheduled for late February that addresses many of
the issues that you folks have brought up.


> * Stupid re-channelize. If you wish to use a MIDI keyboard to control
> the XL-7 and also the external synths, the midi thru doesn't behave
> as you would expect from a sequencer. Check the other posts for more
> info about this. Also it seems like the EMU guys have no plans to fix
> this, at least not now. (Perhaps they havn't realized how important
> this is)

We're not idiots, you know.  We're aware that more and more people are using
the XL-7 as a controller for external gear.  We've been steadily adding
features to make the more advanced users happy.  We know that this is what
you want and we'll probably give it to you.


> * I have multisetups on my synths that gets messed up if the XL-7
> sends volume, pan or program change messages. Yet it does this
> automaticly if an "out" track is enabled, so I had to buy a MIDI
> filter to filter out such messages.

If you had read the manual addendum, or any of my posts about the subject,
you'd know that if you set a track to external, it won't automatically insert
these events into the track.  You can set any information you want up in the
track list editor.

-Aaron


> I'm very dissapointed with the sequencer part of the XL-7. I
> recommend you to check out the Kawai Q80EXE instead. And there's also
> many other great hardware sequencers.
>
> //Nifflas

I just wanted to throw my two cents in here. I have had more trouble 
than i expected getting my XL-7 to do what I wanted it to do with my 
external gear but now with the support of emu and the other people 
on this board it works verry well.

I have been working with sequencers for about 9 years.  Most of that 
time was with computers.  Things in hardware just work differently 
and it took some time to get comfortable with them. 

I now have my XL controlling my E500,Digitech studio Quad,roland TD-
5 just fine.  I wan't to say that it was partialy by luck in 
discovering that i could place info at 1.100.00 for setting my 
external gears settings (read post 1499).

I would totaly recomend the XL-7 for the use with external gear is 
the bottom line.  Just be ready to learn a very large and incredibly 
flexable box.

Peace

Mike

Since my XL-7 crashed all the time I havn't had time to look at the 
new OS. The machine just "freezes" at random moments, about a few 
times per day. By this reason I was forced to send the XL-7 back, and 
the guys have had it for 3 months now (should have been repaired 
now), and I've lost many chances to play live with it because of 
that. The data wheel was not working correctly, some knobs was also 
acting strange. Not to mention some of the keypads.

And about the bugs: There was a whole lot of them in OS 1.01, and 
I've heard that some are still left (as I said I havn't had a chance 
to look at the new OS), and since I payed extra money when it still 
was new (Didn't have the chance to get the expansion boards cheaper 
either since I live in Sweden), I just felt like a beta tester for 
some unfinished gear. And I had to pay extra money for a synth with 
bugs and a whole lot of physical problems (like the odd data knob).

That's why I regret that I bought it.

...So personally I think I have reasons to be quite dissapointed.

At the other hand, of course I understand that this is just my 
opinions.

>you'd know that if you set a track to external, it won't 
automatically insert these events into the track.  You can set any 
information you want up in the track list editor.

Okey, you might be right about that. Havn't had a chance to try it 
since they're still repairing the XL-7. Can't understand why they 
just didn't send me a new XL-7.

//Nifflas






--- In xl7@y..., Aaron Eppolito <aarone+xl7@e...> wrote:
> "Thorsten Marx" <t.marx@h...> wrote:
> 
> > I'm thinking about buying an XL7 because I like the idea of
> > creating and arranging music without a computer .My question is, 
how
> > good is the sequencer for playing an external MIDI device, in my 
case
> > I would trigger an Ensoniq ASR-X sampler. Is the timing OK? Are 
the
> > functions handy?
> 
> nifflas replied:
> 
> > No, for controlling your extrenal gear, this is not what you're
> > looking for.
> 
> In your opinion.  Prove me wrong, but I think you'll find few other
> all-in-one boxes that perform as well.  You have full control over 
what gets
> sent to external gear if you set the tracks to external.  You have 
32
> external midi channels plus 32 internal channels with 128 voices of
> polyphony.  You have 16 programmable knobs just waiting to control 
every
> aspect of your external synths.  You have full record on the fly 
capabilities
> with almost nothing that makes you stop the sequencer.  You have 
complete
> interactivity with the arrangement of patterns without having to 
fit them
> into a "style" or flatten them down into a song.  I could go on and 
on, but
> I'll let you read the reviews (Jan 2002 issue of Keyboard gave it a 
Key Buy).
> 
> 
> 
> > * The OS has many bugs and the machine sometimes crashes
> 
> I'll be the first to admit that there are a few bugs.  I'm not sure 
I'd
> classify them as "many", but I won't argue there.  E-mu has a 
strong history
> of supporting its users.  We continuously add features and 
bugfixes, add
> provide them free for the downloading.  We not too long ago 
released updates
> for the original E-IV classics, a product that shipped in 1994.  We 
still are
> adding features to XL-7 and are trying to fix as many problems as 
we can
> find.  There's a release scheduled for late February that addresses 
many of
> the issues that you folks have brought up.
> 
> 
> > * Stupid re-channelize. If you wish to use a MIDI keyboard to 
control
> > the XL-7 and also the external synths, the midi thru doesn't 
behave
> > as you would expect from a sequencer. Check the other posts for 
more
> > info about this. Also it seems like the EMU guys have no plans to 
fix
> > this, at least not now. (Perhaps they havn't realized how 
important
> > this is)
> 
> We're not idiots, you know.  We're aware that more and more people 
are using
> the XL-7 as a controller for external gear.  We've been steadily 
adding
> features to make the more advanced users happy.  We know that this 
is what
> you want and we'll probably give it to you.
> 
> 
> > * I have multisetups on my synths that gets messed up if the XL-7
> > sends volume, pan or program change messages. Yet it does this
> > automaticly if an "out" track is enabled, so I had to buy a MIDI
> > filter to filter out such messages.
> 
> If you had read the manual addendum, or any of my posts about the 
subject,
> you'd know that if you set a track to external, it won't 
automatically insert
> these events into the track.  You can set any information you want 
up in the
> track list editor.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> 
> > I'm very dissapointed with the sequencer part of the XL-7. I
> > recommend you to check out the Kawai Q80EXE instead. And there's 
also
> > many other great hardware sequencers.
> >
> > //Nifflas

Oh, however, of course I know most of the physical problems is not in 
all XL-7's (but I was suprised I had so many of them), but I've heard 
that other people have also sold the XL-7, because it "freezes" 
sometimes for them as well. It's not fun when you play live and it 
does this.

//Nifflas

--- In xl7@y..., "nifflas" <nifflas@m...> wrote:
> Since my XL-7 crashed all the time I havn't had time to look at the 
> new OS. The machine just "freezes" at random moments, about a few 
> times per day. By this reason I was forced to send the XL-7 back, 
and 
> the guys have had it for 3 months now (should have been repaired 
> now), and I've lost many chances to play live with it because of 
> that. The data wheel was not working correctly, some knobs was also 
> acting strange. Not to mention some of the keypads.
> 
> And about the bugs: There was a whole lot of them in OS 1.01, and 
> I've heard that some are still left (as I said I havn't had a 
chance 
> to look at the new OS), and since I payed extra money when it still 
> was new (Didn't have the chance to get the expansion boards cheaper 
> either since I live in Sweden), I just felt like a beta tester for 
> some unfinished gear. And I had to pay extra money for a synth with 
> bugs and a whole lot of physical problems (like the odd data knob).
> 
> That's why I regret that I bought it.
> 
> ...So personally I think I have reasons to be quite dissapointed.
> 
> At the other hand, of course I understand that this is just my 
> opinions.
> 
> >you'd know that if you set a track to external, it won't 
> automatically insert these events into the track.  You can set any 
> information you want up in the track list editor.
> 
> Okey, you might be right about that. Havn't had a chance to try it 
> since they're still repairing the XL-7. Can't understand why they 
> just didn't send me a new XL-7.
> 
> //Nifflas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., Aaron Eppolito <aarone+xl7@e...> wrote:
> > "Thorsten Marx" <t.marx@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm thinking about buying an XL7 because I like the idea of
> > > creating and arranging music without a computer .My question 
is, 
> how
> > > good is the sequencer for playing an external MIDI device, in 
my 
> case
> > > I would trigger an Ensoniq ASR-X sampler. Is the timing OK? Are 
> the
> > > functions handy?
> > 
> > nifflas replied:
> > 
> > > No, for controlling your extrenal gear, this is not what you're
> > > looking for.
> > 
> > In your opinion.  Prove me wrong, but I think you'll find few 
other
> > all-in-one boxes that perform as well.  You have full control 
over 
> what gets
> > sent to external gear if you set the tracks to external.  You 
have 
> 32
> > external midi channels plus 32 internal channels with 128 voices 
of
> > polyphony.  You have 16 programmable knobs just waiting to 
control 
> every
> > aspect of your external synths.  You have full record on the fly 
> capabilities
> > with almost nothing that makes you stop the sequencer.  You have 
> complete
> > interactivity with the arrangement of patterns without having to 
> fit them
> > into a "style" or flatten them down into a song.  I could go on 
and 
> on, but
> > I'll let you read the reviews (Jan 2002 issue of Keyboard gave it 
a 
> Key Buy).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > * The OS has many bugs and the machine sometimes crashes
> > 
> > I'll be the first to admit that there are a few bugs.  I'm not 
sure 
> I'd
> > classify them as "many", but I won't argue there.  E-mu has a 
> strong history
> > of supporting its users.  We continuously add features and 
> bugfixes, add
> > provide them free for the downloading.  We not too long ago 
> released updates
> > for the original E-IV classics, a product that shipped in 1994.  
We 
> still are
> > adding features to XL-7 and are trying to fix as many problems as 
> we can
> > find.  There's a release scheduled for late February that 
addresses 
> many of
> > the issues that you folks have brought up.
> > 
> > 
> > > * Stupid re-channelize. If you wish to use a MIDI keyboard to 
> control
> > > the XL-7 and also the external synths, the midi thru doesn't 
> behave
> > > as you would expect from a sequencer. Check the other posts for 
> more
> > > info about this. Also it seems like the EMU guys have no plans 
to 
> fix
> > > this, at least not now. (Perhaps they havn't realized how 
> important
> > > this is)
> > 
> > We're not idiots, you know.  We're aware that more and more 
people 
> are using
> > the XL-7 as a controller for external gear.  We've been steadily 
> adding
> > features to make the more advanced users happy.  We know that 
this 
> is what
> > you want and we'll probably give it to you.
> > 
> > 
> > > * I have multisetups on my synths that gets messed up if the XL-
7
> > > sends volume, pan or program change messages. Yet it does this
> > > automaticly if an "out" track is enabled, so I had to buy a MIDI
> > > filter to filter out such messages.
> > 
> > If you had read the manual addendum, or any of my posts about the 
> subject,
> > you'd know that if you set a track to external, it won't 
> automatically insert
> > these events into the track.  You can set any information you 
want 
> up in the
> > track list editor.
> > 
> > -Aaron
> > 
> > 
> > > I'm very dissapointed with the sequencer part of the XL-7. I
> > > recommend you to check out the Kawai Q80EXE instead. And 
there's 
> also
> > > many other great hardware sequencers.
> > >
> > > //Nifflas

On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:18:16 -0800, Aaron Eppolito wrote,

> ...
> You have full record on the fly capabilities with almost nothing
> that makes you stop the sequencer.

Q:  Can the 32 bars per pattern restriction be removed (or set to a high
number)?

Q:  In pattern mode, can the box be slaved to an external sequencer (external
clock, start, stop, and rec if in rec pause mode)?  If it's in the docs I
missed it and I couldn't find it in the menus.

Q:  What is the feasibility for song mode to have 1 pattern track and 16 midi
tracks?

Q:  Can the sequencer resolution be changed to 480 ticks per beat (for
consistancy/compatibility with other sequencers)?

> You have complete interactivity with the arrangement of patterns without
> having to fit them into a "style" or flatten them down into a song. 

I don't consider "styles" a negative restriction; more like a pattern with
variations.  Managing several patterns with identical setups is error prone
and tedious, IMO. 

Jeff

On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:06:36 -0600, erik_magrini@... wrote,

> > Q:  Can the 32 bars per pattern restriction be removed 
> >     (or set to a high number)?
> 
> No, you'd need to use song mode.

That was more a feature request for Aaron.  The other evening I wanted to use
the sequencer like a linear sequencer.

BTY - I managed to set a time sig of 60/4 to work around the restriction and
saw some erratic behavior in the machine.  Does your xx7 act strangely when
the time sig is set past 12/4 ?

> > Q:  In pattern mode, can the box be slaved to an external sequencer 
> >    (external clock, start, stop, and rec if in rec pause mode)?  If
> >    it's in the docs I missed it and I couldn't find it in the menus.
> 
> Yes to everything except REC I think, may be wrong.

It took me quite a while to figure out that the controller clock "ext" setup
also applied to the sequencer.  (!)

And you are correct, the xx7 does not respond to a START command when in
REC/PAUSE mode.  I hope this one get's into the February update.

> > Q:  What is the feasibility for song mode to have 1 pattern track
> >     and 16 midi tracks?
> 
> You can program tempo changes in the song track, as well as any 
> controller moves that extend longer that the length of a pattern. 
> OR you could use it as a psuedo automation channel.

It would be useful have controller data and embellishments on the same
tracks/channels as the pattern data.  Much easier to erase an unwanted track
than to extract the data for a specific channel from the one track.

> > Q:  Can the sequencer resolution be changed to 480 ticks per beat
> >     (for consistancy/compatibility with other sequencers)?
> 
> No, although if you're using another sequencer, it won't matter as
> it's that sequencer's resolution that gets used anyway.

There will be rounding errors when bouncing tracks between sequencers.  And
then there is the brain strain that occurs when scrolling though the same
data in two different boxes.  ;^)

Jeff

I thought I already posted this the other day...

--- In xl7@y..., Aaron Eppolito <aarone+xl7@e...> wrote:
> Prove me wrong, but I think you'll find few other
> all-in-one boxes that perform as well.  

Unfortunately every hardware sequencer available has at least one and sometimes more than one serious problem - no one has gotten it exactly right, and so far the XL-7 is not there yet either. The fact that E-mu is listening to constructive feedback means there's a good chance it will still get there.

> You have full record on the fly capabilities
> with almost nothing that makes you stop the sequencer.

Being able to manually control which part of the pattern is being edited in grid mode would go a long way toward eliminating that "almost," of course.

> You have complete
> interactivity with the arrangement of patterns without having to fit them
> into a "style" or flatten them down into a song.

True, and that's a good thing, but there's also no way to do one-button pattern switching a la Roland's Pattern Call (or drop MIDI phrases in at will a la Roland's RPS). Right now you're limited to dialing, which is less than ideal live.

> We still are
> adding features to XL-7 and are trying to fix as many problems as we can
> find.  There's a release scheduled for late February that addresses many of
> the issues that you folks have brought up.

I'm very glad to hear this.

> We've been steadily adding
> features to make the more advanced users happy.  We know that this is what
> you want and we'll probably give it to you.

As well as this. As frustrating as it may be to hear something you worked hard on criticized, it's reassuring to know that the criticism is being listened to. The XL-7 could still use improved mute/solo capabilities (like exclusion groups and submutes), improved timing control (realtime swing/groove quantize, 0.1 BPM) and the ability to send sysex messages to control external synths, but the first two complaints (pattern call and grid edit control) are the biggest in my opinion, especially since almost every competing product has them. These aren't advanced or esoteric features, they're fairly common and crucial for live use. While the XL-7 has a lot going for it, it will be the absolute king of its market if they're added.

I don't want to break down and buy an old MC-505, and the vaunted MPC-4000 doesn't even have grid edit. I'll be looking forward to February.

--- In xl7@y..., "Thorsten Marx" <t.marx@h...> wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I'm thinking about buying an XL7 because I like the idea of 
creating and arranging music without a computer .My question is, how 
good is the sequencer for playing an external MIDI device, in my case 
I would trigger an Ensoniq ASR-X sampler. Is the timing OK? Are the 
functions handy?
> 
> Thanks for any reply!
> 
> Thorsten
> 
> 
> 
> "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US"

Thorsten.  DO NOT buy the XL7 for its sequencer.  Buy it for the 
proteus engine.  Buy it because it looks kewl and your friends will 
be jealous.  Buy it because chicks dig it.  But if you buy it 
thinking it's going to be a standalone midi controller sufficient to 
replace your PC or whatever you are using now then you are in for a 
world of hurt.  The sequencer is buggy and strange.  Just read the 
threads.  Maybe someday it will be able to go head to head with other 
alternatives but that doesn't appear to be anytime soon.

Also do not buy it if you think you will be able to get expansion 
roms when you want them.  My order for techno construction at 
Musician's Friend is 3 weeks old and still *back ordered*.  E-mu is 
stingy with its roms for some reason.


Qwanta

-----Original Message-----
From: qwanta [mailto:qwanta@...]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:58 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: XL7 Sequencer for playing external MIDI

--- In xl7@y..., "Thorsten Marx" wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm thinking about buying an XL7 because I like the idea of
creating and arranging music without a computer .My question is, how
good is the sequencer for playing an external MIDI device, in my case
I would trigger an Ensoniq ASR-X sampler. Is the timing OK? Are the
functions handy?
>
> Thanks for any reply!
>
> Thorsten
>
>
>
> "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US"

Thorsten.� DO NOT buy the XL7 for its sequencer.� Buy it for the
proteus engine.� Buy it because it looks kewl and your friends will
be jealous.� Buy it because chicks dig it.� But if you buy it
thinking it's going to be a standalone midi controller sufficient to
replace your PC or whatever you are using now then you are in for a
world of hurt.� The sequencer is buggy and strange.� Just read the
threads.� Maybe someday it will be able to go head to head with other
alternatives but that doesn't appear to be anytime soon.

Also do not buy it if you think you will be able to get expansion
roms when you want them.� My order for techno construction at
Musician's Friend is 3 weeks old and still *back ordered*.� E-mu is
stingy with its roms for some reason.


Qwanta


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I would love to buy the roms from a local store.  I hate mail order.  
But neither the local Mars no Guitar Center have them in stock.  The 
guy at GC said they had no plans to restock (he seemed to think Emu 
was discontinuing the XL7 product line) and the Mars guy said it 
would take "a few weeks".  Translated: "I'm not going to touch that 
one".  So I go to Musician's Friend and it says the roms are in 
stock.  Kewl.  I place order then on the confirmation page it says 2-
4 week *backordered*.  So 3 weeks later I call MF cust svc and ask 
for a status and they say it's still backordered.  F!  What's the 
deal?  When three of the largest retailers can't even get their hands 
on them there's something fishy going on.

Would anyone from Emu sales care to comment?  Other than "buy from 
Emu direct".  I'm not paying MSRP heh.


Q


--- In xl7@y..., "Panzare" <panzare@m...> wrote:
> As an alternative to find ROM upgrades, find a local music retail 
store that
> honors sale prices from other stores and nowadays the internet as 
well.
> You should be able to but the ROM upgrades quicker that way. Thats 
what
> I did and got the Techno Synth ROM card at the same price 
Musician's Friend
> had it without the wait. Chances are you will have to wait 
sometimes if you
> buy in online.

You can buy ROMs direct from E-MU (US only) below MSRP. We sell them at
the same price you would get them from your local dealer. We should have
them all in stock. Trying call us direct for exact pricing, 831
438-1921. 
Why some stores support the ROMS and others don't is a worrisome issue
for else as well. We didn't make these ROMS to not be accessible to you
(the user). It's an ongoing battle to have our dealers fully stock our
accessories. Generally, the story you get from the salesman on the floor
is incorrect. It's easy to blame the manufacture, when in reality, its
their fault for not placing a replenishing order in a timely fashion.

sean at e-mu / ensoniq

qwanta wrote:
> 
> I would love to buy the roms from a local store.  I hate mail order.
> But neither the local Mars no Guitar Center have them in stock.  The
> guy at GC said they had no plans to restock (he seemed to think Emu
> was discontinuing the XL7 product line) and the Mars guy said it
> would take "a few weeks".  Translated: "I'm not going to touch that
> one".  So I go to Musician's Friend and it says the roms are in
> stock.  Kewl.  I place order then on the confirmation page it says 2-
> 4 week *backordered*.  So 3 weeks later I call MF cust svc and ask
> for a status and they say it's still backordered.  F!  What's the
> deal?  When three of the largest retailers can't even get their hands
> on them there's something fishy going on.
> 
> Would anyone from Emu sales care to comment?  Other than "buy from
> Emu direct".  I'm not paying MSRP heh.
> 
> Q
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "Panzare" <panzare@m...> wrote:
> > As an alternative to find ROM upgrades, find a local music retail
> store that
> > honors sale prices from other stores and nowadays the internet as
> well.
> > You should be able to but the ROM upgrades quicker that way. Thats
> what
> > I did and got the Techno Synth ROM card at the same price
> Musician's Friend
> > had it without the wait. Chances are you will have to wait
> sometimes if you
> > buy in online.
> 
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Q,

Since Guitar Center and Mars Music are both "national" chain stores, 
was the clerk able to check inventory at another location?  Exp: I 
stopped at my local GC in Maryland last month which did not have the 
new 2500 or the Orbit 3 in stock at the time, I told him that I would 
be in Chicago the next week and he checked their inventory and saw 
that they had a few of each module in stock so I assume that they can 
do it with a ROM as well.

Good Luck

M2

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orbit3



--- In xl7@y..., "qwanta" <qwanta@b...> wrote:
> I would love to buy the roms from a local store.  I hate mail 
order.  
> But neither the local Mars no Guitar Center have them in stock.  
The 
> guy at GC said they had no plans to restock (he seemed to think Emu 
> was discontinuing the XL7 product line) and the Mars guy said it 
> would take "a few weeks".  Translated: "I'm not going to touch that 
> one".  So I go to Musician's Friend and it says the roms are in 
> stock.  Kewl.  I place order then on the confirmation page it says 
2-
> 4 week *backordered*.  So 3 weeks later I call MF cust svc and ask 
> for a status and they say it's still backordered.  F!  What's the 
> deal?  When three of the largest retailers can't even get their 
hands 
> on them there's something fishy going on.
> 
> Would anyone from Emu sales care to comment?  Other than "buy from 
> Emu direct".  I'm not paying MSRP heh.
> 
> 
> Q
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., "Panzare" <panzare@m...> wrote:
> > As an alternative to find ROM upgrades, find a local music retail 
> store that
> > honors sale prices from other stores and nowadays the internet as 
> well.
> > You should be able to but the ROM upgrades quicker that way. 
Thats 
> what
> > I did and got the Techno Synth ROM card at the same price 
> Musician's Friend
> > had it without the wait. Chances are you will have to wait 
> sometimes if you
> > buy in online.

Sean, thank you for replying.  But you need to get up to speed with 
how Emu is currently marketing its products to end users.  I did call 
that number you provided for exact pricing and I was told 1) I could 
only be quoted the suggested retail price of $349 since I wasn't a 
dealer, and 2) "we cannot compete with our dealers on pricing".  That 
is an exact quote from the person on the phone.  Your website by the 
way quotes $349 as well.

The bottom line is you do not sell for the same price as other 
dealers.  Mars, up the street, advertises $50 less 
(http://www.marsmusic.com/store/product_template.jhtml?
catid=2077&prodid=10274&primarySkuId=3577&deptid=8&navAction=jump) 

and Musician's Friend is $70 less 
(http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=02020411582313021307408690985
9/search/g=home?q=Emu+tech+synth).

If you did match those prices I would buy from YOU because I want 
YOUR product now!  If there is a secret code I should tell the lady 
on the phone to get the better price please tell.  If not I will 
certainly wait a few weeks for some kind of shipment to save a couple 
hundred bucks (I'm purchasing 3).

Cheers,


Qwanta


--- In xl7@y..., Sean Wilhelmsen <seanw@e...> wrote:
> You can buy ROMs direct from E-MU (US only) below MSRP. We sell 
them at
> the same price you would get them from your local dealer. We should 
have
> them all in stock. Trying call us direct for exact pricing, 831
> 438-1921. 
> Why some stores support the ROMS and others don't is a worrisome 
issue
> for else as well. We didn't make these ROMS to not be accessible to 
you
> (the user). It's an ongoing battle to have our dealers fully stock 
our
> accessories. Generally, the story you get from the salesman on the 
floor
> is incorrect. It's easy to blame the manufacture, when in reality, 
its
> their fault for not placing a replenishing order in a timely 
fashion.
> 
> sean at e-mu / ensoniq
> 
> qwanta wrote:
> > 
> > I would love to buy the roms from a local store.  I hate mail 
order.
> > But neither the local Mars no Guitar Center have them in stock.  
The
> > guy at GC said they had no plans to restock (he seemed to think 
Emu
> > was discontinuing the XL7 product line) and the Mars guy said it
> > would take "a few weeks".  Translated: "I'm not going to touch 
that
> > one".  So I go to Musician's Friend and it says the roms are in
> > stock.  Kewl.  I place order then on the confirmation page it 
says 2-
> > 4 week *backordered*.  So 3 weeks later I call MF cust svc and ask
> > for a status and they say it's still backordered.  F!  What's the
> > deal?  When three of the largest retailers can't even get their 
hands
> > on them there's something fishy going on.
> > 
> > Would anyone from Emu sales care to comment?  Other than "buy from
> > Emu direct".  I'm not paying MSRP heh.
> > 
> > Q
> > 
> > --- In xl7@y..., "Panzare" <panzare@m...> wrote:
> > > As an alternative to find ROM upgrades, find a local music 
retail
> > store that
> > > honors sale prices from other stores and nowadays the internet 
as
> > well.
> > > You should be able to but the ROM upgrades quicker that way. 
Thats
> > what
> > > I did and got the Techno Synth ROM card at the same price
> > Musician's Friend
> > > had it without the wait. Chances are you will have to wait
> > sometimes if you
> > > buy in online.

Qwanta-

try the sales folks at E-mu again.  When I called them in 
September or October they were running a major sale.  I can't 
remember the exact prices but I do remember that if you were 
buying two or more ROMs their price was well below street price.  
I ended up buying World Expedition locally, because I wanted it 
NOW.  But I did pay more than necessary.

Good Luck

-Zark

qwanta wrote:
> 
> Sean, thank you for replying.  But you need to get up to speed with
> how Emu is currently marketing its products to end users.  I did call
> that number you provided for exact pricing and I was told 1) I could
> only be quoted the suggested retail price of $349 since I wasn't a
> dealer, and 2) "we cannot compete with our dealers on pricing".  That
> is an exact quote from the person on the phone.  Your website by the
> way quotes $349 as well.
> 
> The bottom line is you do not sell for the same price as other
> dealers.  Mars, up the street, advertises $50 less
> (http://www.marsmusic.com/store/product_template.jhtml?
> catid=2077&prodid=10274&primarySkuId=3577&deptid=8&navAction=jump)
> 
> and Musician's Friend is $70 less
> (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=02020411582313021307408690985
> 9/search/g=home?q=Emu+tech+synth).
> 
> If you did match those prices I would buy from YOU because I want
> YOUR product now!  If there is a secret code I should tell the lady
> on the phone to get the better price please tell.  If not I will
> certainly wait a few weeks for some kind of shipment to save a couple
> hundred bucks (I'm purchasing 3).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Qwanta
> 

By the end of this week, our web site will be changed to reflect the
correct pricing for our ROMS (Miscommunication is blamed for this, our
apologies).   The person you spoke to hear, normally deals with dealers
only, so she was not aware that we do sale ROMS at discount to end
users. ALl other products, other than ones you can find on our Bargain
Page are sold through our dealers.

Please try our direct sales group again, or better yet, e-mail me your
phone number privately and I will give you a call and take your order personally.

Sean Wilhelmsen
Director of Marketing
E-MU / ENSONIQ

aka sean at e-mu / ensoniq

--- In xl7@y..., Sean Wilhelmsen <seanw@e...> wrote:
> or better yet, e-mail me your
> phone number privately and I will give you a call and take your order personally.

Now *that's* cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Wilhelmsen [mailto:seanw@...]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:40 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: XL7 Sequencer for playing external MIDI

You can buy ROMs direct from E-MU (US only) below MSRP. We sell them at
the same price you would get them from your local dealer. We should have
them all in stock. Trying call us direct for exact pricing, 831
438-1921.
Why some stores support the ROMS and others don't is a worrisome issue
for else as well. We didn't make these ROMS to not be accessible to you
(the user). It's an ongoing battle to have our dealers fully stock our
accessories. Generally, the story you get from the salesman on the floor
is incorrect. It's easy to blame the manufacture, when in reality, its
their fault for not placing a replenishing order in a timely fashion.

sean at e-mu / ensoniq

qwanta wrote:
>
> I would love to buy the roms from a local store.� I hate mail order.
> But neither the local Mars no Guitar Center have them in stock.� The
> guy at GC said they had no plans to restock (he seemed to think Emu
> was discontinuing the XL7 product line) and the Mars guy said it
> would take "a few weeks".� Translated: "I'm not going to touch that
> one".� So I go to Musician's Friend and it says the roms are in
> stock.� Kewl.�; I place order then on the confirmation page it says 2-
> 4 week *backordered*.� So 3 weeks later I call MF cust svc and ask
> for a status and they say it's still backordered.� F!� What's the
> deal?� When three of the largest retailers can't even get their hands
> on them there's something fishy going on.
>
> Would anyone from Emu sales care to comment?� Other than "buy from
> Emu direct".� I'm not paying MSRP heh.
>
> Q
>
> --- In xl7@y..., "Panzare" wrote:
> > As an alternative to find ROM upgrades, find a local music retail
> store that
> > honors sale prices from other stores and nowadays the internet as
> well.
> > You should be able to but the ROM upgrades quicker that way. Thats
> what
> > I did and got the Techno Synth ROM card at the same price
> Musician's Friend
> > had it without the wait. Chances are you will have to wait
> sometimes if you
> > buy in online.
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: emufreak1 [mailto:mmcquay@...]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:50 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: XL7 Sequencer for playing external MIDI

Q,

Since Guitar Center and Mars Music are both "national" chain stores,
was the clerk able to check inventory at another location?  Exp: I
stopped at my local GC in Maryland last month which did not have the
new 2500 or the Orbit 3 in stock at the time, I told him that I would
be in Chicago the next week and he checked their inventory and saw
that they had a few of each module in stock so I assume that they can
do it with a ROM as well.

Good Luck

M2

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orbit3



--- In xl7@y..., "qwanta" wrote:
> I would love to buy the roms from a local store.� I hate mail
order.�
> But neither the local Mars no Guitar Center have them in stock.�
The
> guy at GC said they had no plans to restock (he seemed to think Emu
> was discontinuing the XL7 product line) and the Mars guy said it
> would take "a few weeks".� Translated: "I'm not going to touch that
> one".� So I go to Musician's Friend and it says the roms are in
> stock.� Kewl.� I place order then on the confirmation page it says
2-
> 4 week *backordered*.� So 3 weeks later I call MF cust svc and ask
> for a status and they say it's still backordered.� F!� What's the
> deal?� When three of the largest retailers can't even get their
hands
> on them there's something fishy going on.
>
> Would anyone from Emu sales care to comment?� Other than "buy from
> Emu direct".� I'm not paying MSRP heh.
>
>
> Q
>
>
> --- In xl7@y..., "Panzare" wrote:
> > As an alternative to find ROM upgrades, find a local music retail
> store that
> > honors sale prices from other stores and nowadays the internet as
> well.
> > You should be able to but the ROM upgrades quicker that way.
Thats
>; what
> > I did and got the Techno Synth ROM card at the same price
> Musician's Friend
> > had it without the wait. Chances are you will have to wait
> sometimes if you
> > buy in online.


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-----Original Message-----
From: qwanta [mailto:qwanta@...]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:29 PM
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: XL7 Sequencer for playing external MIDI

Sean, thank you for replying.� But you need to get up to speed with
how Emu is currently marketing its products to end users.  I did call
that number you provided for exact pricing and I was told 1) I could
only be quoted the suggested retail price of $349 since I wasn't a
dealer, and 2) "we cannot compete with our dealers on pricing".� That
is an exact quote from the person on the phone.� Your website by the
way quotes $349 as well.

The bottom line is you do not sell for the same price as other
dealers.� Mars, up the street, advertises $50 less
(http://www.marsmusic.com/store/product_template.jhtml?
catid=2077&prodid=10274&primarySkuId=3577&deptid=8&navAction=jump)

and Musician's Friend is $70 less
(http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=02020411582313021307408690985
9/search/g=home?q=Emu+tech+synth).

If you did match those prices I would buy from YOU because I want
YOUR product now!� If there is a secret code I should tell the lady
on the phone to get the better price please tell.� If not I will
certainly wait a few weeks for some kind of shipment to save a couple
hundred bucks (I'm purchasing 3).

Cheers,


Qwanta


--- In xl7@y..., Sean Wilhelmsen > You can buy ROMs direct from E-MU (US only) below MSRP. We sell
them at
> the same price you would get them from your local dealer. We should
have
> them all in stock. Trying call us direct for exact pricing, 831
> 438-1921.
> Why some stores support the ROMS and others don't is a worrisome
issue
>; for else as well. We didn't make these ROMS to not be accessible to
you
> (the user). It's an ongoing battle to have our dealers fully stock
our
> accessories. Generally, the story you get from the salesman on the
floor
> is incorrect. It's easy to blame the manufacture, when in reality,
its
> their fault for not placing a replenishing order in a timely
fashion.
>
> sean at e-mu / ensoniq
>
> qwanta wrote:
> >
> >; I would love to buy the roms from a local store.� I hate mail
order.
> > But neither the local Mars no Guitar Center have them in stock.�
The
> > guy at GC said they had no plans to restock (he seemed to think
Emu
> > was discontinuing the XL7 product line) and the Mars guy said it
> > would take "a few weeks".� Translated: "I'm not going to touch
that
> > one".� So I go to Musician's Friend and it says the roms are in
> > stock.� Kewl.� I place order then on the confirmation page it
says 2-
> > 4 week *backordered*.� So 3 weeks later I call MF cust svc and ask
> > for a status and they say it's still backordered.� F!� What's the
> > deal?� When three of the largest retailers can't even get their
hands
> > on them there's something fishy going on.
> >
> > Would anyone from Emu sales care to comment?� Other than "buy from
> > Emu direct".� I'm not paying MSRP heh.
> >
> > Q
> >
> > --- In xl7@y..., "Panzare" wrote:
> > > As an alternative to find ROM upgrades, find a local music
retail
> > store that
> > > honors sale prices from other stores and nowadays the internet
as
> > well.
> > > You should be able to but the ROM upgrades quicker that way.
Thats
> > what
> > > I did and got the Techno Synth ROM card at the same price
> > Musician's Friend
> > > had it without the wait. Chances are you will have to wait
> > sometimes if you
> > > buy in online.




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