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2004-05-21 by ufound12
Hi All, Before my question, I would like to say thanks to all that post great information to this group. It is the reason I decided to buy my PX-7 (and extra roms!). I am trying to use internal midi channels along with the same channels on external modules. It seems that I can only change patches and use the volume knobs on one or the other, which doesnt make sense. I hope I am overlooking something. Thanks, Joe
2004-05-21 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Set the destination to BOTH in the Pattern Edit menu for the tracks you
want to do this with.
rEalm
ufound12 <ufound12@...>
05/20/2004 09:13 PM
Please respond to xl7
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
cc: Subject: [xl7] Midi Patch Change Hi All, Before my question, I would like to say thanks to all that post great information to this group. It is the reason I decided to buy my PX-7 (and extra roms!). I am trying to use internal midi channels along with the same channels on external modules. It seems that I can only change patches and use the volume knobs on one or the other, which doesnt make sense. I hope I am overlooking something. Thanks, Joe Yahoo! Groups Links The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of , or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. For Translation: http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-05-21 by ufound12
The destination is set to BOTH. The problem is I only get notes and not the program changes. I am using song mode, but the same happens in track mode. Joe --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > Set the destination to BOTH in the Pattern Edit menu for the tracks you
> want to do this with. > > rEalm >
2004-05-22 by steve_the_composer
I am just starting to tackle the sequencer, so someone with more experience please correct me or please confirm. I thought I read somewhere that the E-Mu sequncer doesn't send out patch change commands externally when the destination is set to both. Again, I am not sure of this. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ufound12" <ufound12@y...> wrote:
> The destination is set to BOTH. The problem is I only get notes and > not the program changes. I am using song mode, but the same happens > in track mode. > > Joe > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > > Set the destination to BOTH in the Pattern Edit menu for the > tracks you > > want to do this with. > > > > rEalm > >
2004-05-22 by ufound12
Steve, I read that and agree 100%. That design idea baffles me. That is why I posted my message to the experts here in the group. I am hoping to get some brilliant work around for it. Joe --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> wrote: > I am just starting to tackle the sequencer, so someone with more > experience please correct me or please confirm. I thought I read > somewhere that the E-Mu sequncer doesn't send out patch change > commands externally when the destination is set to both. > > Again, I am not sure of this. > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ufound12" <ufound12@y...> wrote: > > The destination is set to BOTH. The problem is I only get notes and > > not the program changes. I am using song mode, but the same happens
> > in track mode. > > > > Joe > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > > > Set the destination to BOTH in the Pattern Edit menu for the > > tracks you > > > want to do this with. > > > > > > rEalm > > >
2004-05-22 by mike
need to make sure i am understanding you right. You are trying to take lets say sequencer track 9 and use it on midi channel 9. It is set to BOTH and you are not getting program changes in external gear. Is that right? Ya I can't make that work. I just thought I would try a few things as I just took a few min out and did but ya it seems that you cant send program changes to both internal and external gear off the same channel at the same time. Sorry I could not be of more help Mike --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ufound12" <ufound12@y...> wrote: > Steve, > > I read that and agree 100%. That design idea baffles me. That is why > I posted my message to the experts here in the group. I am hoping to
> get some brilliant work around for it. > > Joe > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> > wrote: > > I am just starting to tackle the sequencer, so someone with more > > experience please correct me or please confirm. I thought I read > > somewhere that the E-Mu sequncer doesn't send out patch change > > commands externally when the destination is set to both. > > > > Again, I am not sure of this. > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "ufound12" <ufound12@y...> wrote: > > > The destination is set to BOTH. The problem is I only get notes > and > > > not the program changes. I am using song mode, but the same > happens > > > in track mode. > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > > > > Set the destination to BOTH in the Pattern Edit menu for the > > > tracks you > > > > want to do this with. > > > > > > > > rEalm > > > >
2004-05-22 by Aaron Eppolito
Steve is correct. When a track is set to "both", program changes on the track will only be sent internally. This is because, in a standard MIDI file, there's no notion of "port" so you couldn't have one PC for the internal synth and one PC for the external device. Since you can't have separate ones, and it wouldn't be useful to send the *same* program change internally as externally, we only send internal. What you *can* do, however, is set up an "ext" "MultiA" (or B) track and place *all* your external program changes on it. This is also why "both" tracks don't send externally, because otherwise, you wouldn't be able to use this workaround. -Aaron --- ufound12 <ufound12@...> wrote: > Steve, > > I read that and agree 100%. That design idea baffles me. That is why > I posted my message to the experts here in the group. I am hoping to > get some brilliant work around for it. > > Joe > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> > wrote: > > I am just starting to tackle the sequencer, so someone with more > > experience please correct me or please confirm. I thought I read > > somewhere that the E-Mu sequncer doesn't send out patch change > > commands externally when the destination is set to both. > > > > Again, I am not sure of this. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains \ufffd Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer
2004-05-22 by Aaron Eppolito
Steve is correct. When a track is set to "both", program changes on the track will only be sent internally. This is because, in a standard MIDI file, there's no notion of "port" so you couldn't have one PC for the internal synth and one PC for the external device. Since you can't have separate ones, and it wouldn't be useful to send the *same* program change internally as externally, we only send internal. What you *can* do, however, is set up an "ext" "MultiA" (or B) track and place *all* your external program changes on it. This is also why "both" tracks don't send externally, because otherwise, you wouldn't be able to use this workaround. -Aaron --- ufound12 <ufound12@...> wrote: > Steve, > > I read that and agree 100%. That design idea baffles me. That is why > I posted my message to the experts here in the group. I am hoping to > get some brilliant work around for it. > > Joe > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> > wrote: > > I am just starting to tackle the sequencer, so someone with more > > experience please correct me or please confirm. I thought I read > > somewhere that the E-Mu sequncer doesn't send out patch change > > commands externally when the destination is set to both. > > > > Again, I am not sure of this. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains \ufffd Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer
2004-05-22 by steve_the_composer
Thanks for the confirmation. I found the passsage in the manual earlier. That's one of the "workarounds" I thought of, too: a single control track with up to 16 channels of patch changes or other data [pan, volume, other CC, etc.] specifically for the external gear. Using both MultiA and MultiB and two sequencer tracks, you should be able to set up controls for up to 32 external channels. To me, this is a nice feature, not just a workaround. Another option is to double the track and make it ext. However, this wastes a track and memory. > This is also why "both" tracks don't send externally, because > otherwise, you wouldn't be able to use this workaround. I love this--best reason to not have something!!!!! --Steve --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote: > Steve is correct. When a track is set to "both", program changes on > the track will only be sent internally. This is because, in a > standard MIDI file, there's no notion of "port" so you couldn't > have one PC for the internal synth and one PC for the external > device. Since you can't have separate ones, and it wouldn't be > useful to send the *same* program change internally as externally, > we only send internal. > > What you *can* do, however, is set up an "ext" "MultiA" (or B) track > and place *all* your external program changes on it. This is also > why "both" tracks don't send externally, because otherwise, you > wouldn't be able to use this workaround. > > -Aaron > > --- ufound12 <ufound12@y...> wrote: > > Steve, > > > > I read that and agree 100%. That design idea baffles me. That is why > > I posted my message to the experts here in the group. I am hoping to > > get some brilliant work around for it. > > > > Joe > > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> > > wrote: > > > I am just starting to tackle the sequencer, so someone with more > > > experience please correct me or please confirm. I thought I read
> > > somewhere that the E-Mu sequncer doesn't send out patch change > > > commands externally when the destination is set to both. > > > > > > Again, I am not sure of this. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer
2004-05-23 by Aaron Eppolito
--- steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote: > > This is also why "both" tracks don't send externally, because > > otherwise, you wouldn't be able to use this workaround. > > I love this--best reason to not have something!!!!! LOL. Heh: "the reason the feature's not in there is because it would preclude the workaround for the feature not being in there..." -Aaron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains \ufffd Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer
2004-05-24 by ufound12
OK I almost got it. I understand the theory of the no patch change. I have only been using e-loader to send *songs* to the PX-7. I dont think I am even using the *patterns*. can I attach a pattern to one of my songs for program changes? and will it cause it to keep sending the patch change out every 32 bars (the max length for patterns)? I also experimented and set the song to external and plugged the midi out back to the midi in, and I can use all the knobs for internal sounds. Joe --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote: > --- steve_the_composer <smw-mail@p...> wrote: > > > This is also why "both" tracks don't send externally, because > > > otherwise, you wouldn't be able to use this workaround. > > > > I love this--best reason to not have something!!!!! > > LOL. Heh: "the reason the feature's not in there is because it would
> preclude the workaround for the feature not being in there..." > > -Aaron > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Domains Claim yours for only $14.70/year > http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer
2004-05-24 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
I actually had to print that out and hang it near my desk :) rEalm LOL. Heh: "the reason the feature's not in there is because it would preclude the workaround for the feature not being in there..." -Aaron __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains ? Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer Yahoo! Groups Links The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. For Translation: http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]