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Does this work well in conjuntion with the xx-7s. I bought an Xl-7 
because it was cheap. Really I want something with organic drums and 
guitars and basses, and I figure getting the emulatorX and sampling 
my own wouldn't be much more expensive than getting new roms. It 
poses as a sound card also, correct? Does it also come with 
recording software? I'm real new to the whole music production 
thing. Would the combination of the emulatorX and an Xl-7 rival an 
mpc. My friend was urging me to get an MPC, and I asked him about 
the xl-7, and he called it a stupid little box, but I went ahead and 
got it anyway, because i could say the same thing about the mpc. 
Anyway I asked him about the xl-7 emulatorx combo and he said just 
to get an mpc. I don't know what to think. The type of music I want 
to make is like rockish, mobyish, metalish, dredgish, dead can 
danceish. Something like that. Really I just want to make some stuff 
to back up my voice, because I just really like to sing.

Does this work well in conjuntion with the xx-7s. 

>>>Depends I guess.  Assuming you're happy with external integration with 
other samplers, I can't see it being any different. <<<

I bought an Xl-7 because it was cheap. Really I want something with 
organic drums and guitars and basses, and I figure getting the emulatorX 
and sampling my own wouldn't be much more expensive than getting new roms. 


>>>Well, $150 for the Protean Drunm ROM will definitely get your sorted 
with drum samples.  As for sampling your own, yes it will be cheaper, but 
I highly doubt it will be easier.  Setting up your own realistically 
responding instruments in ANY sampler takes time.  You have to trim your 
samples, set up velocity and key-fades, map velocity and pitchbend info, 
etc etc etc. <<<

It poses as a sound card also, correct? 

>>>No, the Emu Digital Audio Systems (1212, 1820, and 1820m) are all sound 
cards, the emulator X software is seperate, though you do have to have one 
of the above in order to run it.  Packages bundling the Emu X software and 
one of the soundcards do exist too. ,<<

Does it also come with recording software? 

>>>Yes, either Cubasis or Cubase VST and Wavelab Lite depending on which 
DAS system you get. <<<

Would the combination of the emulatorX and an Xl-7 rival an mpc. 

>>>Really depends on what you want, that's a pretty broad question.  Yes, 
with Emu X you'll have sampling capabilities like the MPC series, but 
those have that "All in one package" benefit that you'll never get with a 
XL-7 and a PC running Emu X.  However, you do get a kick ass synth in the 
XL-7, something that the MPC series lacks. <<<

Anyway I asked him about the xl-7 emulatorx combo and he said just to get 
an mpc. I don't know what to think. The type of music I want to make is 
like rockish, mobyish, metalish, dredgish, dead can danceish. Something 
like that. Really I just want to make some stuff to back up my voice, 
because I just really like to sing.

>>>Are you planning on using this live, or just in the studio?  In the 
studio, I would vote for the Emu X combo, it'll be more flexible 
ultimately.  If you want to go live, that becomes harder to answer.  You'd 
need to bring your whole PC with you to go live with Emu X, and you can't 
use a Laptop (unless you get a PCI expansion) as to run Emu X, you need to 
have one of the DAS system installed. <<<

rEalm


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I was not planning on using it live. I was not planning on live 
anything for a long time. The emulatorx bundled with the 1212 and I 
don't know what else, is only $230 new on ebay. It says is comes 
with 2gb of sounds, and I thought for $80 more than a rom I could 
get those sounds plus asmpling capability, something that will never 
run out of sounds, recording, and a soundcard, all of which I will 
need eventually, so I might as well go with that.

If you're not planning on using it live, and you DO plan on also using a 
computer for making music, then I think the 1212 card with Emu X is a 
really good buy.  The new issue of Sound On Sound magazine has a good 
review of it too, if you need more info.

So far it looks like the Emu X is pretty much identical to the synth 
engine in the Command Stations, so at least things will look familar as 
you jump between the two.  And the new cards are supposed to sound really 
sweet too.

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I was not planning on using it live. I was not planning on live 
anything for a long time. The emulatorx bundled with the 1212 and I 
don't know what else, is only $230 new on ebay. It says is comes 
with 2gb of sounds, and I thought for $80 more than a rom I could 
get those sounds plus asmpling capability, something that will never 
run out of sounds, recording, and a soundcard, all of which I will 
need eventually, so I might as well go with that.




 
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Don't forget that the E-MU Ultra samplers are sonically not much different
from the Emulator X, excpet that they are hardware which are easy to take
out live. In fact I think you can export your EMU X banks to run on your
Ultra (don't quote me on that tho)


Stu

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If you're not planning on using it live, and you DO plan on also using a
computer for making music, then I think the 1212 card with Emu X is a
really good buy.  The new issue of Sound On Sound magazine has a good
review of it too, if you need more info.

So far it looks like the Emu X is pretty much identical to the synth
engine in the Command Stations, so at least things will look familar as
you jump between the two.  And the new cards are supposed to sound really
sweet too.

rEalm





I was not planning on using it live. I was not planning on live
anything for a long time. The emulatorx bundled with the 1212 and I
don't know what else, is only $230 new on ebay. It says is comes
with 2gb of sounds, and I thought for $80 more than a rom I could
get those sounds plus asmpling capability, something that will never
run out of sounds, recording, and a soundcard, all of which I will
need eventually, so I might as well go with that.





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Are the sounds that come with the emulatorx good?

I'm pretty sure you CAN'T do that actually, but I'll try and find out for 
sure.  I seem to remember someone asking Sean about that when the Emu X 
was announced and he said it was not possible.

rEalm



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You can export Emulator X banks as EOS banks (E4 Ultra's included) as long as your EX bank stays
with the criteria of an EOS bank (128 MB max, and 16 bit samples). Also, some synth features from
the EX will not translate (New filter types, extra patchcords, tuning tables, BPM synth features,
etc.).

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I'm pretty sure you CAN'T do that actually, but I'll try and find out for
sure.  I seem to remember someone asking Sean about that when the Emu X
was announced and he said it was not possible.

rEalm



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Thanks Sean.

rEalm




You can export Emulator X banks as EOS banks (E4 Ultra's included) as long 
as your EX bank stays
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some synth features from
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Howdy Sean,

Here's what I'd like to know:  Is there any way to get the bits out 
of my Proteus ROMs (I have 6 now that I swap in and out of my PX7 -- 
I actually dropped in to the E-mu offices in Scotts Valley last week 
to buy a couple) and transfer them to my PC so I can use them in 
Emulator X?  

I did a mad scientist type experiment where I put installed the MP7 
rom into one of the ROM slots in my E4K keyboard thinking that it 
*might* be able to read the wave data, but no luck.  Is this 
possible on an "Ultra" Emulator?

Is this possible at all (and yeah, I realize that I could sample 
sounds out of the PX7 via SPDIF into Emulator X, but that would lose 
all the nice keymap data, etc.)?

Thanks!
Keith

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I'm really new at this. I just got my XL-7 yesterday, and am working 
my way trhough the manual, which is impossible because I stop every 
two mintutes to play around with the XL-7 for 2 hours. Anyway I 
hardly know any terminology. 

If I am sequencing sounds that are on another device with the XL-7 
do the keypads control the sounds on the other device, and will a 
whole octave of the sound be on the keypads even if it is just one 
note on the other device?

I'm really new at this. I just got my XL-7 yesterday, 

>>>Congrats!  Welcome to our group! <<<

and am working my way through the manual, 

>>>Good man, you're alraedy starting out on the right foot :) <<<

which is impossible because I stop every two mintutes to play around with 
the XL-7 for 2 hours. 

>>>That's exactly the way to do it.  Read about something, then play with 
it. <<<

Anyway I hardly know any terminology. 

>>>That's ok, I don't know any termites myself. <<<

If I am sequencing sounds that are on another device with the XL-7 do the 
keypads control the sounds on the other device, 

>>>Yes, if the track is set to EXT in the Pattern Edit menu. <<<

and will a whole octave of the sound be on the keypads even if it is just 
one note on the other device?

>>>What's the other device?  Not sure what you mean by this... <<<

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>>>Yes, if the track is set to EXT in the Pattern Edit menu. <<<

and will a whole octave of the sound be on the keypads even if it is 
just
one note on the other device?

>>>What's the other device? Not sure what you mean by this... <<<

Ok, well if I were to sample some chord from a guitar, and I wanted 
to control that sound with the Xl-7, would I only be able to play 
around with the one chord, or would the Xl-7 make the chord into a 
whole range of chords? The emulatorx is what I'm planning on getting 
to sample stuff. Would it just do that itself?

I had a feeling you were talking about a sampler.   :)

That really depends more on how you set up the sampler more than the XL-7. 
 Within the sampler you have the option to have any sounds be transposed 
(ie, you sampled a C note, but it changes as you move up or down the 
keyboard), or to be fixed (it's always a C note no matter what key you 
pressed).  So it's really up to you how you want to set up the sampler. To 
be more specific, you're actually making this setting for each sampler 
"Preset", not the whoel sampler in general.  If you set it up the first 
way, then yes the audio file will play at a higher pitch as you move up 
the pads on the XL-7.  If not, then every XL-7 Pad will sound the same 
note.

The second method is useful for drums and such where you might want to be 
able to move them around the keyboard without picthing them up or down.

I'll know more specific about Emu X any day now.  I've got the install CDs 
sitting at home, still waiting on my 1820m to arrive before I can install 
it though.

rEalm




Ok, well if I were to sample some chord from a guitar, and I wanted 
to control that sound with the Xl-7, would I only be able to play 
around with the one chord, or would the Xl-7 make the chord into a 
whole range of chords? The emulatorx is what I'm planning on getting 
to sample stuff. Would it just do that itself?




 
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