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XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial

2004-05-14 by Turby Schmidt

ups... why the pocket dial wont work with XX7 ????


>rEalm we where going back and forth with Aaron trying to figure out
>if the pocket dial would work with the xl-7 but it wont work :(
>
>None of my hardware except my yamaha mixer has the "proper"
>encoders.  all synths and samplers and controllers should make this
>manditory !!
>

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Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial

2004-05-15 by mike

They explain it on the doepfer site very well.  If you try it out and 
it works then please send me an email!!! as i wll run out and buy a 
pocket dial in a second!!  

In short from old memory, the xl would have to sent sysex peramiters 
to the pocket dial so it knows where the dials are and the xl dont do 
that.  The second way it can work it if xl will respond to simple + 
and - info but i dont think it do that either.  This stuff is old in 
my mind but i talked with Aaron about it here through the board and 
in the end i did not buy a pocket dial.  

Do a search for Dial and you may come up with the old posts.

Peace

Mike G


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
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> ups... why the pocket dial wont work with XX7 ????
> 
> 
> >rEalm we where going back and forth with Aaron trying to figure out
> >if the pocket dial would work with the xl-7 but it wont work :(
> >
> >None of my hardware except my yamaha mixer has the "proper"
> >encoders.  all synths and samplers and controllers should make this
> >manditory !!
> >
> 
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RE: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial

2004-05-15 by Stu

The Doepfer Regelwerk can do what you want. All it needs is for the XX7 to
send out the controller values. The Regelwek tracks the controller values
then updates the corresponding fader on the Regelwerk and won't output any
cc changes until you move the fader through that value.

Obviously, if you change the 'multisetup' on the Regelwerk, it forgets all
previous tracked values and you're back to square one. Also, the Regelwerk
is physically almost as big as an XX-7...
Show quoted textHide quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@...]
Sent: 15 May 2004 18:53
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial


They explain it on the doepfer site very well.  If you try it out and
it works then please send me an email!!! as i wll run out and buy a
pocket dial in a second!!

In short from old memory, the xl would have to sent sysex peramiters
to the pocket dial so it knows where the dials are and the xl dont do
that.  The second way it can work it if xl will respond to simple +
and - info but i dont think it do that either.  This stuff is old in
my mind but i talked with Aaron about it here through the board and
in the end i did not buy a pocket dial.

Do a search for Dial and you may come up with the old posts.

Peace

Mike G


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> ups... why the pocket dial wont work with XX7 ????
>
>
> >rEalm we where going back and forth with Aaron trying to figure out
> >if the pocket dial would work with the xl-7 but it wont work :(
> >
> >None of my hardware except my yamaha mixer has the "proper"
> >encoders.  all synths and samplers and controllers should make this
> >manditory !!
> >
>
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Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial

2004-05-16 by mike

Have you tried this out?  Do you know this will work for sure?

I almost bought one of them things once.  But did not due to its 
price.



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> The Doepfer Regelwerk can do what you want. All it needs is for the 
XX7 to
> send out the controller values. The Regelwek tracks the controller 
values
> then updates the corresponding fader on the Regelwerk and won't 
output any
> cc changes until you move the fader through that value.
> 
> Obviously, if you change the 'multisetup' on the Regelwerk, it 
forgets all
> previous tracked values and you're back to square one. Also, the 
Regelwerk
> is physically almost as big as an XX-7...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@r...]
> Sent: 15 May 2004 18:53
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial
> 
> 
> They explain it on the doepfer site very well.  If you try it out 
and
> it works then please send me an email!!! as i wll run out and buy a
> pocket dial in a second!!
> 
> In short from old memory, the xl would have to sent sysex peramiters
> to the pocket dial so it knows where the dials are and the xl dont 
do
> that.  The second way it can work it if xl will respond to simple +
> and - info but i dont think it do that either.  This stuff is old in
> my mind but i talked with Aaron about it here through the board and
> in the end i did not buy a pocket dial.
> 
> Do a search for Dial and you may come up with the old posts.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> 
wrote:
> > ups... why the pocket dial wont work with XX7 ????
> >
> >
> > >rEalm we where going back and forth with Aaron trying to figure 
out
> > >if the pocket dial would work with the xl-7 but it wont work :(
> > >
> > >None of my hardware except my yamaha mixer has the "proper"
> > >encoders.  all synths and samplers and controllers should make 
this
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> > >
> >
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RE: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial

2004-05-16 by Stu

I used to have one and it does work.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@...]
Sent: 16 May 2004 17:07
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial


Have you tried this out?  Do you know this will work for sure?

I almost bought one of them things once.  But did not due to its 
price.



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> The Doepfer Regelwerk can do what you want. All it needs is for the 
XX7 to
> send out the controller values. The Regelwek tracks the controller 
values
> then updates the corresponding fader on the Regelwerk and won't 
output any
> cc changes until you move the fader through that value.
> 
> Obviously, if you change the 'multisetup' on the Regelwerk, it 
forgets all
> previous tracked values and you're back to square one. Also, the 
Regelwerk
> is physically almost as big as an XX-7...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@r...]
> Sent: 15 May 2004 18:53
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial
> 
> 
> They explain it on the doepfer site very well.  If you try it out 
and
> it works then please send me an email!!! as i wll run out and buy a
> pocket dial in a second!!
> 
> In short from old memory, the xl would have to sent sysex peramiters
> to the pocket dial so it knows where the dials are and the xl dont 
do
> that.  The second way it can work it if xl will respond to simple +
> and - info but i dont think it do that either.  This stuff is old in
> my mind but i talked with Aaron about it here through the board and
> in the end i did not buy a pocket dial.
> 
> Do a search for Dial and you may come up with the old posts.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> 
wrote:
> > ups... why the pocket dial wont work with XX7 ????
> >
> >
> > >rEalm we where going back and forth with Aaron trying to figure 
out
> > >if the pocket dial would work with the xl-7 but it wont work :(
> > >
> > >None of my hardware except my yamaha mixer has the "proper"
> > >encoders.  all synths and samplers and controllers should make 
this
> > >manditory !!
> > >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial

2004-05-18 by mike

WOW!

Ok so it will not make changes till it meets the "actual" value of 
the controller.  That is pretty sweet.  Is this the case when 
switching from preset to preset in the xl- and other synths?

Mike G. 


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> I used to have one and it does work.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@r...]
> Sent: 16 May 2004 17:07
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial
> 
> 
> Have you tried this out?  Do you know this will work for sure?
> 
> I almost bought one of them things once.  But did not due to its 
> price.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> > The Doepfer Regelwerk can do what you want. All it needs is for 
the 
> XX7 to
> > send out the controller values. The Regelwek tracks the 
controller 
> values
> > then updates the corresponding fader on the Regelwerk and won't 
> output any
> > cc changes until you move the fader through that value.
> > 
> > Obviously, if you change the 'multisetup' on the Regelwerk, it 
> forgets all
> > previous tracked values and you're back to square one. Also, the 
> Regelwerk
> > is physically almost as big as an XX-7...
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@r...]
> > Sent: 15 May 2004 18:53
> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial
> > 
> > 
> > They explain it on the doepfer site very well.  If you try it out 
> and
> > it works then please send me an email!!! as i wll run out and buy 
a
> > pocket dial in a second!!
> > 
> > In short from old memory, the xl would have to sent sysex 
peramiters
> > to the pocket dial so it knows where the dials are and the xl 
dont 
> do
> > that.  The second way it can work it if xl will respond to simple 
+
> > and - info but i dont think it do that either.  This stuff is old 
in
> > my mind but i talked with Aaron about it here through the board 
and
> > in the end i did not buy a pocket dial.
> > 
> > Do a search for Dial and you may come up with the old posts.
> > 
> > Peace
> > 
> > Mike G
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> 
> wrote:
> > > ups... why the pocket dial wont work with XX7 ????
> > >
> > >
> > > >rEalm we where going back and forth with Aaron trying to 
figure 
> out
> > > >if the pocket dial would work with the xl-7 but it wont work :(
> > > >
> > > >None of my hardware except my yamaha mixer has the "proper"
> > > >encoders.  all synths and samplers and controllers should make 
> this
> > > >manditory !!
> > > >
> > >
> > > 
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Re: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial

2004-05-18 by Aaron Eppolito

I'd love to be proven wrong, but there's no way that the external
controller can know what the controller values of the XL-7 are.  When
you switch presets, the initial controller values get loaded but *do
not get sent externally*.  If you had a box that could query the XL-7
via custom sysex, you might be able to do it, but other than that, no
dice.

-Aaron

PS.  I just read your post quoted here and you're exactly right.  =)

--- mike <curiousproductions@...> wrote:
> WOW!
> 
> Ok so it will not make changes till it meets the "actual" value of 
> the controller.  That is pretty sweet.  Is this the case when 
> switching from preset to preset in the xl- and other synths?
> 
> Mike G. 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> > I used to have one and it does work.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@r...]
> > Sent: 16 May 2004 17:07
> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial
> > 
> > 
> > Have you tried this out?  Do you know this will work for sure?
> > 
> > I almost bought one of them things once.  But did not due to its 
> > price.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> > > The Doepfer Regelwerk can do what you want. All it needs is for 
> the 
> > XX7 to
> > > send out the controller values. The Regelwek tracks the 
> controller 
> > values
> > > then updates the corresponding fader on the Regelwerk and won't 
> > output any
> > > cc changes until you move the fader through that value.
> > > 
> > > Obviously, if you change the 'multisetup' on the Regelwerk, it 
> > forgets all
> > > previous tracked values and you're back to square one. Also, the 
> > Regelwerk
> > > is physically almost as big as an XX-7...
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@r...]
> > > Sent: 15 May 2004 18:53
> > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial
> > > 
> > > 
> > > They explain it on the doepfer site very well.  If you try it out
> 
> > and
> > > it works then please send me an email!!! as i wll run out and buy
> 
> a
> > > pocket dial in a second!!
> > > 
> > > In short from old memory, the xl would have to sent sysex 
> peramiters
> > > to the pocket dial so it knows where the dials are and the xl 
> dont 
> > do
> > > that.  The second way it can work it if xl will respond to simple
> 
> +
> > > and - info but i dont think it do that either.  This stuff is old
> 
> in
> > > my mind but i talked with Aaron about it here through the board 
> and
> > > in the end i did not buy a pocket dial.
> > > 
> > > Do a search for Dial and you may come up with the old posts.
> > > 
> > > Peace
> > > 
> > > Mike G
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > ups... why the pocket dial wont work with XX7 ????



	
		
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RE: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial

2004-05-18 by Stu

I sold the Regelwerk a while ago, so I probably didn't explain how it works
properly. Basically, if the Regelwerk is set up to mirror the controllers on
the xx-7, and the xx-7 is set up to send any controller movements to one of
its outputs (which is connected to the in of the Regelwerk), then any
movement of the controllers on the XX-7 will be tracked by ther respective
faders on the Regelwerk. If you then move the faders on the Regelwerk, then
you can either have it add to the value received from the xx-7, or have it
so that it won't send out any controller changes until you move the fader to
the point where it matches the value sent by the xx-7. There are other modes
as well but I can't remeber them off th top of my head. HOWEVER, if you
change the 'multi' on the Regelwerk then all tracked parameters will be
forgotten. As you guys have pointed out, changing presets on the xx-7 will
also cause the Regelwerk to become out of sync with the controller values on
the xx-7, until of course you move the knobs on the xx-7 and they get sent
to the Regelwerk again...

I think it's designed to be used with sequencer apps to control the mix.
LEDs above and below each of the faders tell you whether the received value
is above or below the current fader position. If you want to tweak the mix
then you can do so without fear of sudden jumps in volume etc. It basically
mimics an SSL desk without the expense of motorised faders.

Sorry for any confusion!!

Stu
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-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Eppolito [mailto:synthesis77@...]
Sent: 18 May 2004 19:25
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial


I'd love to be proven wrong, but there's no way that the external
controller can know what the controller values of the XL-7 are.  When
you switch presets, the initial controller values get loaded but *do
not get sent externally*.  If you had a box that could query the XL-7
via custom sysex, you might be able to do it, but other than that, no
dice.

-Aaron

PS.  I just read your post quoted here and you're exactly right.  =)

--- mike <curiousproductions@...> wrote:
> WOW!
>
> Ok so it will not make changes till it meets the "actual" value of
> the controller.  That is pretty sweet.  Is this the case when
> switching from preset to preset in the xl- and other synths?
>
> Mike G.
>
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> > I used to have one and it does work.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@r...]
> > Sent: 16 May 2004 17:07
> > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial
> >
> >
> > Have you tried this out?  Do you know this will work for sure?
> >
> > I almost bought one of them things once.  But did not due to its
> > price.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> > > The Doepfer Regelwerk can do what you want. All it needs is for
> the
> > XX7 to
> > > send out the controller values. The Regelwek tracks the
> controller
> > values
> > > then updates the corresponding fader on the Regelwerk and won't
> > output any
> > > cc changes until you move the fader through that value.
> > >
> > > Obviously, if you change the 'multisetup' on the Regelwerk, it
> > forgets all
> > > previous tracked values and you're back to square one. Also, the
> > Regelwerk
> > > is physically almost as big as an XX-7...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@r...]
> > > Sent: 15 May 2004 18:53
> > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial
> > >
> > >
> > > They explain it on the doepfer site very well.  If you try it out
>
> > and
> > > it works then please send me an email!!! as i wll run out and buy
>
> a
> > > pocket dial in a second!!
> > >
> > > In short from old memory, the xl would have to sent sysex
> peramiters
> > > to the pocket dial so it knows where the dials are and the xl
> dont
> > do
> > > that.  The second way it can work it if xl will respond to simple
>
> +
> > > and - info but i dont think it do that either.  This stuff is old
>
> in
> > > my mind but i talked with Aaron about it here through the board
> and
> > > in the end i did not buy a pocket dial.
> > >
> > > Do a search for Dial and you may come up with the old posts.
> > >
> > > Peace
> > >
> > > Mike G
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > > ups... why the pocket dial wont work with XX7 ????





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Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial

2004-05-20 by mike

Thanks Aaron thought i was loosing my mind. :P

Can you give me some feeback on the cut off notes in external gear 
problem?  This is not new but it is bugging me again and again.

Any help or advice would be great.  I am also thinking that the 
current os for the comand station will be the last one as the new 
Emulator X is hitting the shops.  Am I wrong?

Take care 

Mike G.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> I'd love to be proven wrong, but there's no way that the external
> controller can know what the controller values of the XL-7 are.  
When
> you switch presets, the initial controller values get loaded but *do
> not get sent externally*.  If you had a box that could query the XL-
7
> via custom sysex, you might be able to do it, but other than that, 
no
> dice.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> PS.  I just read your post quoted here and you're exactly right.  =)
> 
> --- mike <curiousproductions@r...> wrote:
> > WOW!
> > 
> > Ok so it will not make changes till it meets the "actual" value 
of 
> > the controller.  That is pretty sweet.  Is this the case when 
> > switching from preset to preset in the xl- and other synths?
> > 
> > Mike G. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> > > I used to have one and it does work.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@r...]
> > > Sent: 16 May 2004 17:07
> > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Have you tried this out?  Do you know this will work for sure?
> > > 
> > > I almost bought one of them things once.  But did not due to 
its 
> > > price.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> > > > The Doepfer Regelwerk can do what you want. All it needs is 
for 
> > the 
> > > XX7 to
> > > > send out the controller values. The Regelwek tracks the 
> > controller 
> > > values
> > > > then updates the corresponding fader on the Regelwerk and 
won't 
> > > output any
> > > > cc changes until you move the fader through that value.
> > > > 
> > > > Obviously, if you change the 'multisetup' on the Regelwerk, 
it 
> > > forgets all
> > > > previous tracked values and you're back to square one. Also, 
the 
> > > Regelwerk
> > > > is physically almost as big as an XX-7...
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mike [mailto:curiousproductions@r...]
> > > > Sent: 15 May 2004 18:53
> > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [xl7] Re: XX7 vs Doepfer Pocket Dial
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > They explain it on the doepfer site very well.  If you try it 
out
> > 
> > > and
> > > > it works then please send me an email!!! as i wll run out and 
buy
> > 
> > a
> > > > pocket dial in a second!!
> > > > 
> > > > In short from old memory, the xl would have to sent sysex 
> > peramiters
> > > > to the pocket dial so it knows where the dials are and the xl 
> > dont 
> > > do
> > > > that.  The second way it can work it if xl will respond to 
simple
> > 
> > +
> > > > and - info but i dont think it do that either.  This stuff is 
old
> > 
> > in
> > > > my mind but i talked with Aaron about it here through the 
board 
> > and
> > > > in the end i did not buy a pocket dial.
> > > > 
> > > > Do a search for Dial and you may come up with the old posts.
> > > > 
> > > > Peace
> > > > 
> > > > Mike G
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" 
<trabantmusic@h...> 
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> > > wrote:
> > > > > ups... why the pocket dial wont work with XX7 ????
> 
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Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.