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Help! Song sequence problems

2004-04-06 by dj 61

I have a song that i sequened out in step mode. At 1 point I had a 1 bar followed by a 
16 bar followed by an 8 bar (all the same pattern the 8 step started on bar 74) Well I 
needed to add a bar to the one step. I did so and everything seemed fine, but in 
p[layback the 8 bar step still comes in at 74 cutting off the 16 bar step. In sequence 
step it shows up right and the 8 bar sequence starts on bar 75. When I scroll throught 
the bars while stopped it shows up right, but when I push play it always starts the 8 
bar on 74. If I add mor bars before it it still just cuts off the 16 bar step before it and 
starts on 74. I can reduce the bars in other steps and have it come in before 74, but I 
cannot seem to push that step back. My song is not maxxed out on steps or bars. I 
am running OS 2.0 can anybody offer suggestions?
   Tom

Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-07 by dj 61

> I have a song that I sequenced out in step mode. At 1 point I had 
a 1 bar followed by a 
> 16 bar followed by an 8 bar (all the same pattern the 8 step 
started on bar 74) Well I 
> needed to add a bar to the one step. I did so and everything 
seemed fine, but in 
> p[layback the 8 bar step still comes in at 74 cutting off the 16 
bar step. In sequence 
> step it shows up right and the 8 bar sequence starts on bar 75. 
When I scroll throught 
> the bars while stopped it shows up right, but when I push play it 
always starts the 8 
> bar on 74. If I add more bars before it it still just cuts off the 
16 bar step before it and 
> starts on 74. I can reduce the bars in other steps and have it 
come in before 74, but I 
> cannot seem to push that step back. My song is not maxxed out on 
steps or bars. I 
> am running OS 2.0 can any thoughts?
>    Tom

Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-09 by dj 61

I am going to keep posting this until someone helps! Aaron? 

I have a song that I sequenced out in step mode. At 1 point I had 
 a 1 bar followed by a 
 16 bar followed by an 8 bar (all the same pattern the 8 step 
 started on bar 74) Well I 
 needed to add a bar to the one step. I did so and everything 
 seemed fine, but in 
 p[layback the 8 bar step still comes in at 74 cutting off the 16 
 bar step. In sequence 
 step it shows up right and the 8 bar sequence starts on bar 75. 
 When I scroll throught 
 the bars while stopped it shows up right, but when I push play it 
 always starts the 8 
 bar on 74. If I add more bars before it it still just cuts off the 
 16 bar step before it and 
 starts on 74. I can reduce the bars in other steps and have it 
 come in before 74, but I 
 cannot seem to push that step back. My song is not maxxed out on 
 steps or bars. I 
 am running OS 2.0 can any thoughts?
    Tom

Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-11 by dj 61

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> > I am going to keep posting this until someone helps! Aaron? 
> 
> Sorry to ignore your post previously.  I have no experience with 
step 
> sequencing, otherwise I'd take a look.
Thanks for taking a look. I can't believe with all of the e-mu heads 
here I've got no response. I want to record this track, but it just 
does not sound right without that extra bar and it just seems very 
odd to me that the problem only occurs during playback. I haven't 
seen Aaron post lately, maybe I'll ambush him when next he rears his 
head. did i word that right?

Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-11 by robotchas

Sounds like a bug to me, or a corrupt file...is the song in question too complex to just 
recreate it from scratch?

Actually, that brings up another point: is there anything recorded in the "song" track (ie, 
the linear track that overlays the pattern chain)? Is it possible something in there is 
messing up the sequence (don't ask me how, just thinking out loud)?

Does it behave like this when you lengthen *any* preceding step? What if you delete the 8-
bar step and then re-insert it?

I haven't done a whole lot with song mode, so I've never run into anything like this. I think 
you've just got everyone stumped, and it's not something that's quick or easy to 
reproduce.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
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> I am going to keep posting this until someone helps! Aaron? 
> 
> I have a song that I sequenced out in step mode. At 1 point I had 
>  a 1 bar followed by a 
>  16 bar followed by an 8 bar (all the same pattern the 8 step 
>  started on bar 74) Well I 
>  needed to add a bar to the one step. I did so and everything 
>  seemed fine, but in 
>  p[layback the 8 bar step still comes in at 74 cutting off the 16 
>  bar step. In sequence 
>  step it shows up right and the 8 bar sequence starts on bar 75. 
>  When I scroll throught 
>  the bars while stopped it shows up right, but when I push play it 
>  always starts the 8 
>  bar on 74. If I add more bars before it it still just cuts off the 
>  16 bar step before it and 
>  starts on 74. I can reduce the bars in other steps and have it 
>  come in before 74, but I 
>  cannot seem to push that step back. My song is not maxxed out on 
>  steps or bars. I 
>  am running OS 2.0 can any thoughts?
>     Tom

Re: [xl7] Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-11 by Aaron Eppolito

Unfortunately, song mode was the sort of bastard step-child that never
really got enough attention.  It's kinda buggy.  Robatchas is right
though, try recreating the song steps in a different song.  If need be,
you can copy any song track from the original with copy/paste.  I'd
save a version without the song track before you paste, just in case. 
For those who might be wondering, the sequencer architecture makes
changing step lengths complicated, so it was always the buggiest
aspect.  Given xmix vs song step edit tweaks, we chose xmix, and I
think I'd make the same choice again.  Too little time, too much to
do... =)

-Aaron

--- robotchas <robotchas@...> wrote:
> Sounds like a bug to me, or a corrupt file...
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> > I am going to keep posting this until someone helps! Aaron? 

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Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-11 by dj 61

Yes I do have things recorded in song mode playing throught the 
external channels. I could reproduce something similar, but never 
get the feel of the track back. The data recorded in the song is in 
the very beginning and the very end and interspersed in between. The 
odd thing about this is that I can shorten the track, but I cannot 
get that one pattern to start after bar 74. And this is just in play 
back. If I stop the play and scroll through the bars everything 
shows ok, but as soon as I hit play it will switch steps at 74 or 
earlier if I reduce the lenght of any previous tracks. I have tried 
resaving to different spots. I keep thinking that there must be 
something I can do to jar it into working correctly. Maybe I'll sit 
on it and meditate...
   Thanks for letting me know your out there,
       Tom

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "robotchas" <robotchas@y...> wrote:
> Sounds like a bug to me, or a corrupt file...is the song in 
question too complex to just 
> recreate it from scratch?
> 
> Actually, that brings up another point: is there anything recorded 
in the "song" track (ie, 
> the linear track that overlays the pattern chain)? Is it possible 
something in there is 
> messing up the sequence (don't ask me how, just thinking out loud)?
> 
> Does it behave like this when you lengthen *any* preceding step? 
What if you delete the 8-
> bar step and then re-insert it?
> 
> I haven't done a whole lot with song mode, so I've never run into 
anything like this. I think 
> you've just got everyone stumped, and it's not something that's 
quick or easy to 
> reproduce.
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> > I am going to keep posting this until someone helps! Aaron? 
> > 
> > I have a song that I sequenced out in step mode. At 1 point I 
had 
> >  a 1 bar followed by a 
> >  16 bar followed by an 8 bar (all the same pattern the 8 step 
> >  started on bar 74) Well I 
> >  needed to add a bar to the one step. I did so and everything 
> >  seemed fine, but in 
> >  p[layback the 8 bar step still comes in at 74 cutting off the 
16 
> >  bar step. In sequence 
> >  step it shows up right and the 8 bar sequence starts on bar 75. 
> >  When I scroll throught 
> >  the bars while stopped it shows up right, but when I push play 
it 
> >  always starts the 8 
> >  bar on 74. If I add more bars before it it still just cuts off 
the 
> >  16 bar step before it and 
> >  starts on 74. I can reduce the bars in other steps and have it 
> >  come in before 74, but I 
> >  cannot seem to push that step back. My song is not maxxed out 
on 
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> >  steps or bars. I 
> >  am running OS 2.0 can any thoughts?
> >     Tom

Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-11 by dj 61

The song info is all recorded on one track, correct? So I can just 
copy multi a and have the song data for all channels and then 
recreate the pattern steps and paste? 
 No magic trick to make it do what it says it is doing? Just seems 
so illogical to me that everything show up right in step and while 
stopped, but changes during play... But for all I know there are 
little microscopic gnomes in there turning gears and making sounds...

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> Unfortunately, song mode was the sort of bastard step-child that 
never
> really got enough attention.  It's kinda buggy.  Robatchas is right
> though, try recreating the song steps in a different song.  If 
need be,
> you can copy any song track from the original with copy/paste.  I'd
> save a version without the song track before you paste, just in 
case. 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> For those who might be wondering, the sequencer architecture makes
> changing step lengths complicated, so it was always the buggiest
> aspect.  Given xmix vs song step edit tweaks, we chose xmix, and I
> think I'd make the same choice again.  Too little time, too much to
> do... =)
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> --- robotchas <robotchas@y...> wrote:
> > Sounds like a bug to me, or a corrupt file...
> >
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> > > I am going to keep posting this until someone helps! Aaron? 
> 
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Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-11 by robotchas

If you're trying to salvage something that would be difficult to 
recreate, I'd suggest outputting what you have to a computer 
sequencer (if available) and finalizing the sequence in there. You 
can then dump it back to the XL7 if you need to do live playback or 
something. Or you could build a new pattern chain and then overlay 
the salvaged song track data, maybe...

I don't know anything about the internal workings of the sequencer 
code, but it sounds like the song mode step insert bug might be some 
kind of linked-list funkiness where it's forgetting to update its 
references. Odd that it works most of the time. I guess song mode is 
more of a sketchpad or sequence-player at best. Too bad, but I agree 
with Aaron, XMix was a better use of resources, because you can cover 
song mode's inadequacies with a computer sequencer, in a pinch.

Hope you get it worked out.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> Yes I do have things recorded in song mode playing throught the 
> external channels. I could reproduce something similar, but never 
> get the feel of the track back. The data recorded in the song is in 
> the very beginning and the very end and interspersed in between. 
The 
> odd thing about this is that I can shorten the track, but I cannot 
> get that one pattern to start after bar 74. And this is just in 
play 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> back. If I stop the play and scroll through the bars everything 
> shows ok, but as soon as I hit play it will switch steps at 74 or 
> earlier if I reduce the lenght of any previous tracks. I have tried 
> resaving to different spots. I keep thinking that there must be 
> something I can do to jar it into working correctly. Maybe I'll sit 
> on it and meditate...
>    Thanks for letting me know your out there,
>        Tom

Re: [xl7] Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-11 by Aaron Eppolito

After typing the following replies, I thought of something.  Just so
you know, changing the length of a step *does NOT* alter the linear
song track.  You have to explicitly cut and paste in the linear track
to move events.  If that's not what you're experiencing, nevermind. 
Read on:

--- dj 61 <dj61@...> wrote:
> The song info is all recorded on one track, correct? So I can just 
> copy multi a and have the song data for all channels and then 
> recreate the pattern steps and paste?

Right.  I'd recommend recreating the pattern chain first (i.e. song
mode step edit) and saving that to two locations (so you have a handy
backup).  Make sure it works, then copy all the bars from the old
linear track and paste them into the new sequence.
 
>  No magic trick to make it do what it says it is doing? Just seems 
> so illogical to me that everything show up right in step and while 
> stopped, but changes during play...

THe only thing I can think of is that somehow a wonky pattern change
event got in there and the step editor is parsing it differently than
at playback time.

> But for all I know there are little microscopic gnomes
> in there turning gears and making sounds...

Shhh.  They're shy.

-Aaron

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Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-12 by dj 61

OK, so maybe if I cut from bar 74 on and then paste to bar 75 there 
might be a possibility of extending it???


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> After typing the following replies, I thought of something.  Just 
so
> you know, changing the length of a step *does NOT* alter the linear
> song track.  You have to explicitly cut and paste in the linear 
track
> to move events.  If that's not what you're experiencing, 
nevermind. 
> Read on:
> 
> --- dj 61 <dj61@d...> wrote:
> > The song info is all recorded on one track, correct? So I can 
just 
> > copy multi a and have the song data for all channels and then 
> > recreate the pattern steps and paste?
> 
> Right.  I'd recommend recreating the pattern chain first (i.e. song
> mode step edit) and saving that to two locations (so you have a 
handy
> backup).  Make sure it works, then copy all the bars from the old
> linear track and paste them into the new sequence.
>  
> >  No magic trick to make it do what it says it is doing? Just 
seems 
> > so illogical to me that everything show up right in step and 
while 
> > stopped, but changes during play...
> 
> THe only thing I can think of is that somehow a wonky pattern 
change
> event got in there and the step editor is parsing it differently 
than
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> at playback time.
> 
> > But for all I know there are little microscopic gnomes
> > in there turning gears and making sounds...
> 
> Shhh.  They're shy.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
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Re: [xl7] Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-12 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Ditto, I don't ever use Song Mode.  It wasn't that we were ignoring you, 
we just don't know the answer.

rEalm





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04/09/2004 01:13 PM
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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> I am going to keep posting this until someone helps! Aaron? 

Sorry to ignore your post previously.  I have no experience with step 
sequencing, otherwise I'd take a look. 



 
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Re: [xl7] Re: Help! Missing bars in song playback

2004-04-12 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Whew, I'm addicted to Xmix, don't knwo what I'd do without it!

rEalm




Given xmix vs song step edit tweaks, we chose xmix, and I think I'd make 
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