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i remember there being demos of the Orbit 3 / Beat Garden there, with
additional TSCY presets for download and all of Rob's various projects (and
his Virus stuff too) but now it seems to just be shilling the Albino
softsynth. is the old site still available somewhere?

i was hoping to get a listen at the Beat Garden presets again, not just the
rather stupid E-mu demo songs. i swear, someone should at some point for
some company write an actual good tune for a demo song, something that says
"yes, an actual song that one might listen to can be made with this product"
versus some keyboardist going all prog-wiggy playing something i can never
hope to even approximate, not that i would want to. this is especially true
of any "dance" demo for any number of products that i have heard. as dance
songs go they are all universally un-danceable. stop with your stupid
instrument progressions and whiz-bang effects sounds and give me twenty
seconds of thumping dance music, you cheerless tone deaf demo programming
bastards!*

of the available ROMs, i've had in some P2K synth or other at some point in
time the following:

Composer (Proteus 2000)
Techno Synth Construction Yard
Xtreme Lead
Ensoniq Project
Protozoa
Pure Phatt
Proteus Pop Collection

of these, the TSCY, Xtreme Lead, and the Proteus Pop collection were the
only ones that struck me as particularly good (and yes i know the Composer
and Proteus Pop ROMs have identical samples - Pop has much better presets,
though, and is more organized). the Ensoniq Project was a major
disappointment, exceeded only by the Pure Phatt, which i find as useless as
a cheese-filled danish (although for the R&B/hip hop crowd i suppose one
could make some ok tunes, but tend to hate that music these days). Protozoa
has the one good bank (the mix first bank) and the rest sounds so very very
dated and hollow that i found them generally unpleasant and lifeless. maybe
i just want more dynamic sounds and actual synthesis than just straight up
"let's play back a sample". so now my question for y'all: which P2K ROM
would you recommend most highly to someone else, and why?

-- 
Bruddah Max
Lord of the Dance

* if you are one of these cheerless tone deaf demo programming bastards
(CTDDPB), i only say that with the deepest respect and love. really. no,
really.

Try pressing the E-mu/Ens button in the navigation menu on the left hand
side...

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruddah Max [mailto:bruddahmax@...]
Sent: 10 April 2004 04:05
To: Emu XL-7 Yahoo Group
Subject: [xl7] what happened to robpapen.com? also rant on ROMs...


i remember there being demos of the Orbit 3 / Beat Garden there, with
additional TSCY presets for download and all of Rob's various projects (and
his Virus stuff too) but now it seems to just be shilling the Albino
softsynth. is the old site still available somewhere?

i was hoping to get a listen at the Beat Garden presets again, not just the
rather stupid E-mu demo songs. i swear, someone should at some point for
some company write an actual good tune for a demo song, something that says
"yes, an actual song that one might listen to can be made with this product"
versus some keyboardist going all prog-wiggy playing something i can never
hope to even approximate, not that i would want to. this is especially true
of any "dance" demo for any number of products that i have heard. as dance
songs go they are all universally un-danceable. stop with your stupid
instrument progressions and whiz-bang effects sounds and give me twenty
seconds of thumping dance music, you cheerless tone deaf demo programming
bastards!*

of the available ROMs, i've had in some P2K synth or other at some point in
time the following:

Composer (Proteus 2000)
Techno Synth Construction Yard
Xtreme Lead
Ensoniq Project
Protozoa
Pure Phatt
Proteus Pop Collection

of these, the TSCY, Xtreme Lead, and the Proteus Pop collection were the
only ones that struck me as particularly good (and yes i know the Composer
and Proteus Pop ROMs have identical samples - Pop has much better presets,
though, and is more organized). the Ensoniq Project was a major
disappointment, exceeded only by the Pure Phatt, which i find as useless as
a cheese-filled danish (although for the R&B/hip hop crowd i suppose one
could make some ok tunes, but tend to hate that music these days). Protozoa
has the one good bank (the mix first bank) and the rest sounds so very very
dated and hollow that i found them generally unpleasant and lifeless. maybe
i just want more dynamic sounds and actual synthesis than just straight up
"let's play back a sample". so now my question for y'all: which P2K ROM
would you recommend most highly to someone else, and why?

--
Bruddah Max
Lord of the Dance

* if you are one of these cheerless tone deaf demo programming bastards
(CTDDPB), i only say that with the deepest respect and love. really. no,
really.





Yahoo! Groups Links

Stu wrote:


>> i remember there being demos of the Orbit 3 / Beat Garden there, with
>> additional TSCY presets for download and all of Rob's various projects (and
>> his Virus stuff too) but now it seems to just be shilling the Albino
>> softsynth. is the old site still available somewhere?

> Try pressing the E-mu/Ens button in the navigation menu on the left hand
> side...

well, i've tried IE, Firefox, Safari, and Camino (Mac OS X, btw), and none
of them show a navigation menu on the left hand side... until...

i enable Java.

lest you all think i'm insane (and that's still a possibility), the navi.htm
navigation bar on the left side, of which ye speak, is a java applet, and
for those of us who surf internet java-less ('cause lets face it, Java is
crap most of the time) there is no navigation bar. this isn't JavaScript,
mind you, but regular old applet-loading Java. ugh. i hate sites that
require Java to read. at the very least they should put a regular non-java
bit of text in there telling folks that Java is required to view the site
properly, especially when Java wasn't needed in the older site. that's just
user un-friendly design. surely i can't be the only one browsing with java
disabled?*

now i feel kinda stupid for not figuring that out pre-rant. oh well. the
other points in my message are still valid, though. :D

-- 
Bruddah Max
Lord of the Dance

* you're not the only one, Bruddah. and don't call me Shirley.

I think the sounds are in the orbit3 files
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/orbit3/

I like the p drum. Really nice cymbals and snares.
I have been getting some really good sounds working with the beat 
garden lately. While there are alot of presets I do not use, I don't 
find that to be an issue. There are plenty of nice interesting 
sounds, although sometimes a few knob twists away.
 The sied orch is nice too. Very real sounding in the mix, sometimes 
too real.
 tom

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <routerman@z...> wrote:
> Try pressing the E-mu/Ens button in the navigation menu on the 
left hand
> side...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruddah Max [mailto:bruddahmax@c...]
> Sent: 10 April 2004 04:05
> To: Emu XL-7 Yahoo Group
> Subject: [xl7] what happened to robpapen.com? also rant on ROMs...
> 
> 
> i remember there being demos of the Orbit 3 / Beat Garden there, 
with
> additional TSCY presets for download and all of Rob's various 
projects (and
> his Virus stuff too) but now it seems to just be shilling the 
Albino
> softsynth. is the old site still available somewhere?
> 
> i was hoping to get a listen at the Beat Garden presets again, not 
just the
> rather stupid E-mu demo songs. i swear, someone should at some 
point for
> some company write an actual good tune for a demo song, something 
that says
> "yes, an actual song that one might listen to can be made with 
this product"
> versus some keyboardist going all prog-wiggy playing something i 
can never
> hope to even approximate, not that i would want to. this is 
especially true
> of any "dance" demo for any number of products that i have heard. 
as dance
> songs go they are all universally un-danceable. stop with your 
stupid
> instrument progressions and whiz-bang effects sounds and give me 
twenty
> seconds of thumping dance music, you cheerless tone deaf demo 
programming
> bastards!*
> 
> of the available ROMs, i've had in some P2K synth or other at some 
point in
> time the following:
> 
> Composer (Proteus 2000)
> Techno Synth Construction Yard
> Xtreme Lead
> Ensoniq Project
> Protozoa
> Pure Phatt
> Proteus Pop Collection
> 
> of these, the TSCY, Xtreme Lead, and the Proteus Pop collection 
were the
> only ones that struck me as particularly good (and yes i know the 
Composer
> and Proteus Pop ROMs have identical samples - Pop has much better 
presets,
> though, and is more organized). the Ensoniq Project was a major
> disappointment, exceeded only by the Pure Phatt, which i find as 
useless as
> a cheese-filled danish (although for the R&B/hip hop crowd i 
suppose one
> could make some ok tunes, but tend to hate that music these days). 
Protozoa
> has the one good bank (the mix first bank) and the rest sounds so 
very very
> dated and hollow that i found them generally unpleasant and 
lifeless. maybe
> i just want more dynamic sounds and actual synthesis than just 
straight up
> "let's play back a sample". so now my question for y'all: which 
P2K ROM
> would you recommend most highly to someone else, and why?
> 
> --
> Bruddah Max
> Lord of the Dance
> 
> * if you are one of these cheerless tone deaf demo programming 
bastards
> (CTDDPB), i only say that with the deepest respect and love. 
really. no,

> really.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links

I guess it depends on what the person was looking for, as no one ROM will 
suit everyone's needs.  Actually if I was to recommend a ROM to try and 
fill the "all in one" role, it would be (no surprises) the Proteus Pop 
ROM.  Lots of good all around sounds, from drums to synths.

If someone was really into a drums, then the no-brainer for me would be 
the Protean Drum ROM.

If you just want something different, then it would be the World 
Expedition ROM, though good luck in finding one!

As for Rob Papen, I was never that impressed with any of this stuff to be 
honest.  All his sound banks are virtual identical sounding (bland and 
boring IMVHO), just geared towards specific synths. 

rEalm




 so now my question for y'all: which P2K ROM would you recommend most 
highly to someone else, and why?


 






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