XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-10 by bluetechnics
Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units and which do you prefer?
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XL 7 vs MC 909
Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-10 by Mike-E
I've tried it in a local store. I liked the looks and overview of the machine. But I hated the Roland XV sound and most of all the very sloooooowwwwwwww OS. Everything you do comes with an animation. In the beginning it's nice, but when it comes to work fast... you get borred by them. There's a (bit positive) review on SOS. Maik --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "bluetechnics" <ksellers88@h...> wrote: > Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the > pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units > and which do you prefer?
Re: [xl7] XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-10 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Whew, that's quite task! (Obviously we prefer the XX-7's too) Here's some things in short: MC909 has 64 voices of polyphony, XX-7 has 128. MC909 has a master effect compressor, and IMO better effects overall. XX-7 has XMIX, 909 lost the Megamix that the 505 had. MC909 has only one expansion slot for additional sounds (I think it's 1), the XX-7 has 3. If Ravi reads this, he can probably add more, as I think he still has both... rEalm Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units and which do you prefer? The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. For Translation: http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-10 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
I personally think the XV sound is very nice, but with only 64 voices of polyphony, I'd be eating up voices like crazy. That was one of my biggest problems when I had my mc505, voice stealing. When I saw the XX-7's had 128 voices, I was sold. rEalm I've tried it in a local store. I liked the looks and overview of the machine. But I hated the Roland XV sound and most of all the very sloooooowwwwwwww OS. Everything you do comes with an animation. In the beginning it's nice, but when it comes to work fast... you get borred by them. There's a (bit positive) review on SOS. Maik --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "bluetechnics" <ksellers88@h...> wrote: > Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the > pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units > and which do you prefer? Yahoo! Groups Links The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. For Translation: http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [xl7] XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-10 by Ravi Ivan Sharma
No, I never bought the mc-909 as it, for me, didn't have the ease of use and live power/flexibility as the mc-505. The xl7 is a better all rounder for live use than the mc-909 in my opinion, but the mc-909 has a sampler which is a major difference. One should really go and demo both units keeping in mind exactly what one wants to achieve. Also there is a yahoogroup for the mc-909 www.yahoogroups.com/group/mc-909 Ravi
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Whew, that's quite task! (Obviously we prefer the XX-7's too) Here's some
things in short:
MC909 has 64 voices of polyphony, XX-7 has 128.
MC909 has a master effect compressor, and IMO better effects overall.
XX-7 has XMIX, 909 lost the Megamix that the 505 had.
MC909 has only one expansion slot for additional sounds (I think it's 1),
the XX-7 has 3.
If Ravi reads this, he can probably add more, as I think he still has
both...
rEalm
Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the
pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units
and which do you prefer?
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2004-02-10 by calvin alley
THEY BOTH R HOT, ON THA MC -909 U CAN NOT ONLY SAMPLE BUT U CAN CONTROL VIDEO AND U CAN MASTER YOUR TRACKS ON IT IT HAVE A COMPRESSOR AND EQ ON ALL 16 TRACKS AND ALSO U CAN DOWNLOAD FROM USB A AUDIO FILE OF UR FINISHED TRACK TO ANY COMPUTER AND BURN IT ON CD AND ITS EASY TO OPERATE.SO I THINK ITS THE BEST ON THA MARKET RIGHT NOW. GET 1, CAUSE I HAVE! bluetechnics <ksellers88@...> wrote:Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units and which do you prefer? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [xl7] XL 7 vs MC 909\MO BEATS'
2004-02-10 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
So you're saying you like it then? rEalm THEY BOTH R HOT, ON THA MC -909 U CAN NOT ONLY SAMPLE BUT U CAN CONTROL VIDEO AND U CAN MASTER YOUR TRACKS ON IT IT HAVE A COMPRESSOR AND EQ ON ALL 16 TRACKS AND ALSO U CAN DOWNLOAD FROM USB A AUDIO FILE OF UR FINISHED TRACK TO ANY COMPUTER AND BURN IT ON CD AND ITS EASY TO OPERATE.SO I THINK ITS THE BEST ON THA MARKET RIGHT NOW. GET 1, CAUSE I HAVE! The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. For Translation: http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: XL 7 vs MC 909\MO BEATS'
2004-02-10 by Mike-E
You better bought a xx-7 and use the difference to buy a seperate sampler and... a new keyboard with a disabled caps lock. The EQ and Compressor are very nice, but you can only make one setting and use it (or not) on all 16 channels. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, calvin alley <ceonubeat@y...> wrote: > > THEY BOTH R HOT, ON THA MC -909 U CAN NOT ONLY SAMPLE BUT U CAN CONTROL VIDEO AND U CAN MASTER YOUR TRACKS ON IT IT HAVE A COMPRESSOR AND EQ ON ALL 16 TRACKS AND ALSO U CAN DOWNLOAD FROM USB A AUDIO FILE OF UR FINISHED TRACK TO ANY COMPUTER AND BURN IT ON CD AND ITS EASY TO OPERATE.SO I THINK ITS THE BEST ON THA MARKET RIGHT NOW. GET 1, CAUSE I HAVE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bluetechnics <ksellers88@h...> wrote:Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the > pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units > and which do you prefer? > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909\MO BEATS'
2004-02-10 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
That's actually insanely useful live though. One of the best things about the XX-7's is also a weakness to some extent, in that it can create incredibly deep, subsonic sounds. Not a problem in the studio when you can EQ those out during the mixdown, but live it can wreak havoc on pa's. Having a compressor there on the main out to tame the peaks and help it sound more cohesive is IMO one of the best things about the mc909. I definitely WOULD NOT use that for mastering my tracks if I was recording them to a PC though, there's far better tools for that kind of job. rEalm The EQ and Compressor are very nice, but you can only make one setting and use it (or not) on all 16 channels. The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. For Translation: http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [xl7] XL 7 vs MC 909\MO BEATS'
2004-02-10 by Matt Picone
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> -----Original Message----- > From: calvin alley [mailto:ceonubeat@...] > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 10:38 AM > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [xl7] XL 7 vs MC 909\MO BEATS' > > > > THEY BOTH R HOT, ON THA MC -909 U CAN NOT ONLY SAMPLE BUT U > CAN CONTROL VIDEO AND U CAN MASTER YOUR TRACKS ON IT IT HAVE > A COMPRESSOR AND EQ ON ALL 16 TRACKS AND ALSO U CAN DOWNLOAD > FROM USB A AUDIO FILE OF UR FINISHED TRACK TO ANY COMPUTER > AND BURN IT ON CD AND ITS EASY TO OPERATE.SO I THINK ITS THE > BEST ON THA MARKET RIGHT NOW. GET 1, CAUSE I HAVE! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bluetechnics <ksellers88@...> wrote:Other than the > fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the pros > and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these > units and which do you prefer? > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/ > > To unsubscribe from > this group, send an email to: xl7-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > of Service. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ---------------------~--> Tired of hearing the same songs > over and over? Listen to Internet Radio! Skip songs. Click to > listen to LAUNCHcast! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ykrq7C/HARHAA/n1hLAA> /pWZylB/TM > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
Techo Composition Tips (was XL 7 vs MC 909)
2004-02-10 by Aaron Eppolito
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Re: [xl7] Techo Composition Tips (was XL 7 vs MC 909)
2004-02-10 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
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Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-10 by bluetechnics
Thanks for the input fellas. Given the pros and cons of each unit, which would you ultimately choose (is this a dumb question considering this is an XX-7 group?) --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > Whew, that's quite task! (Obviously we prefer the XX-7's too) Here's some > things in short: > > MC909 has 64 voices of polyphony, XX-7 has 128. > MC909 has a master effect compressor, and IMO better effects overall. > XX-7 has XMIX, 909 lost the Megamix that the 505 had. > MC909 has only one expansion slot for additional sounds (I think it's 1),
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> the XX-7 has 3. > > If Ravi reads this, he can probably add more, as I think he still has > both... > rEalm > > > > > > Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the > pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units > and which do you prefer? > > > > > > > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally > privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than > the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege > or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other > use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. > > For Translation: > > http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-10 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Yes that is a dumb question, haha. :) Let's put it this way. I used to
be huge fan of the mc505 (long before the XX-7's were a twinkle in Emu's
eye), and I still think it's a really nice machine. I had the chance to
ditch the XL-7 and go with a Mc909 when they came out, but I didn't for
the following reasons:
- Limited polyphony. Yeah, 64 voices isn't bad, but I knew I'd eat them
up in a heartbeat once I started layering my presets. Plus, the XV ROMs
can use stereo waveforms, which eat up two voices each. So a single note
with 4 layers would eat up 8 voices, ouch!
- No megamix. This is Roland's equivelant of XMIX (to be fair, XMIX is
actually Emu's interpretation on Megamix) and it's a godsend as far as I'm
concerned for live use. You could play hours of songs live without having
to stop the set to select a new track or Pattern. Opens up all kinds of
creative possibilities.
- Size. The mc909 is a real beast, very large and not as easily portable
as the XX-7's. There's nothing like heading down to the park to make some
music outside to spur on some inspiration.
I had to confront this choice again very recently when I won the PX-7. I
was given the option of putting that credit towards a mc909 or
MPC2000/4000 if I wanted. I'll admit, I did think about it for quite a
bit too. Why? Onboard sampling. It's a big deal for people like me who
have a lot of custom samples they want to use, or who might want to take
their studio creations live. It would save me the (ongoing) trouble of
trying to find a sampler to complement my XL-7.
Eventually though, I knew that if I got a mc909 and left the group, no one
here would be able to pick a ROM for themselves, or know how to use effect
sends, so I decided I better stay for your sake.
J/K!
Actually I've gotten to really enjoy using the XX-7, it's fast and dead
easy to program, sounds great, and is far better for me live. Plus, it
just feels like an "instrument" when I play it. I don't feel like I'm
programming a computer, or sequencing at all. The lines between Pattern
and Preset creations totally blur for me, and I'm just making cool sounds
I can play back for others. Something that not much other gear nowadays
makes me feel like....
rEalm
bluetechnics <ksellers88@...>
02/10/2004 01:29 PM
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Subject: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909 Thanks for the input fellas. Given the pros and cons of each unit, which would you ultimately choose (is this a dumb question considering this is an XX-7 group?) --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > Whew, that's quite task! (Obviously we prefer the XX-7's too) Here's some > things in short: > > MC909 has 64 voices of polyphony, XX-7 has 128. > MC909 has a master effect compressor, and IMO better effects overall. > XX-7 has XMIX, 909 lost the Megamix that the 505 had. > MC909 has only one expansion slot for additional sounds (I think it's 1), > the XX-7 has 3. > > If Ravi reads this, he can probably add more, as I think he still has > both... > rEalm > > > > > > Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the > pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units > and which do you prefer? > > > > > > > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally > privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than > the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege > or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other > use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. > > For Translation: > > http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. For Translation: http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-10 by Matt Picone
It would save me the (ongoing) trouble of trying to find a sampler to complement my XL-7. Let's talk about this. I noted this week that the Akai MPC-1000 looks nice. -m@
Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-10 by Mike-E
> - Size. The mc909 is a real beast, very large and not as easily portable > as the XX-7's. There's nothing like heading down to the park to make some > music outside to spur on some inspiration. Did I miss the battery cover?
Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-10 by bluetechnics
Thanks a lot for the extended reply. Since I would use the MC909 mainly for studio work, the portability and live performance factors are not a big issue for me. I really like the on board sampling and the turntable pitch slider. I guess the main thing that's keeping me from getting one is the polyphony issue. I wonder if 64 voices will be enough? I emailed Roger S since he produced some patterns for the MC909 to see how he feels about the 64 voice polyphony. Thanks again. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > Yes that is a dumb question, haha. :) Let's put it this way. I used to > be huge fan of the mc505 (long before the XX-7's were a twinkle in Emu's > eye), and I still think it's a really nice machine. I had the chance to > ditch the XL-7 and go with a Mc909 when they came out, but I didn't for > the following reasons: > > - Limited polyphony. Yeah, 64 voices isn't bad, but I knew I'd eat them > up in a heartbeat once I started layering my presets. Plus, the XV ROMs > can use stereo waveforms, which eat up two voices each. So a single note > with 4 layers would eat up 8 voices, ouch! > - No megamix. This is Roland's equivelant of XMIX (to be fair, XMIX is > actually Emu's interpretation on Megamix) and it's a godsend as far as I'm > concerned for live use. You could play hours of songs live without having > to stop the set to select a new track or Pattern. Opens up all kinds of > creative possibilities. > - Size. The mc909 is a real beast, very large and not as easily portable > as the XX-7's. There's nothing like heading down to the park to make some > music outside to spur on some inspiration. > > I had to confront this choice again very recently when I won the PX-7. I > was given the option of putting that credit towards a mc909 or > MPC2000/4000 if I wanted. I'll admit, I did think about it for quite a > bit too. Why? Onboard sampling. It's a big deal for people like me who > have a lot of custom samples they want to use, or who might want to take > their studio creations live. It would save me the (ongoing) trouble of > trying to find a sampler to complement my XL-7. > > Eventually though, I knew that if I got a mc909 and left the group, no one > here would be able to pick a ROM for themselves, or know how to use effect > sends, so I decided I better stay for your sake. > > J/K! > > Actually I've gotten to really enjoy using the XX-7, it's fast and dead > easy to program, sounds great, and is far better for me live. Plus, it > just feels like an "instrument" when I play it. I don't feel like I'm > programming a computer, or sequencing at all. The lines between Pattern > and Preset creations totally blur for me, and I'm just making cool sounds > I can play back for others. Something that not much other gear nowadays > makes me feel like.... > > rEalm > > > > > > > bluetechnics <ksellers88@h...> > 02/10/2004 01:29 PM > Please respond to xl7 > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > cc: > Subject: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909 > > > Thanks for the input fellas. Given the pros and cons of each unit, > which would you ultimately choose (is this a dumb question considering > this is an XX-7 group?) > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > > Whew, that's quite task! (Obviously we prefer the XX-7's too) > Here's some > > things in short: > > > > MC909 has 64 voices of polyphony, XX-7 has 128. > > MC909 has a master effect compressor, and IMO better effects overall. > > XX-7 has XMIX, 909 lost the Megamix that the 505 had. > > MC909 has only one expansion slot for additional sounds (I think > it's 1), > > the XX-7 has 3. > > > > If Ravi reads this, he can probably add more, as I think he still has > > both... > > rEalm > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the > > pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units > > and which do you prefer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity > > to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally > > privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than > > the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege > > or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other
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RE: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-11 by Stu
If you're looking for a sampler/sequencer for studio work, then you can't go wrong with an xx-7 and some sort of rackmounted sampler like an E-MU Ultra (going cheap these days) or Akai Z series, or maybe even a softsampler. The new E-MU Emulator X gives you everything their hardware samplers do and then some, and if you already have a fast PC, the cost of an xx-7 and Emulator X is going to be less than an MC-909. Also take into account that with the Emulator X, you could have an EQ and compressor on EACH channel!! I've looked at varous tabletop samplers myself, but my xx-7 and E-MU Ultra combo beats them all hands down, except for the fact that it's not quite as portable. Just my tuppence worth, Stu
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-----Original Message----- From: bluetechnics [mailto:ksellers88@...] Sent: 10 February 2004 23:16 To: xl7@yahoogroups.com Subject: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909 Thanks a lot for the extended reply. Since I would use the MC909 mainly for studio work, the portability and live performance factors are not a big issue for me. I really like the on board sampling and the turntable pitch slider. I guess the main thing that's keeping me from getting one is the polyphony issue. I wonder if 64 voices will be enough? I emailed Roger S since he produced some patterns for the MC909 to see how he feels about the 64 voice polyphony. Thanks again. --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > Yes that is a dumb question, haha. :) Let's put it this way. I used to > be huge fan of the mc505 (long before the XX-7's were a twinkle in Emu's > eye), and I still think it's a really nice machine. I had the chance to > ditch the XL-7 and go with a Mc909 when they came out, but I didn't for > the following reasons: > > - Limited polyphony. Yeah, 64 voices isn't bad, but I knew I'd eat them > up in a heartbeat once I started layering my presets. Plus, the XV ROMs > can use stereo waveforms, which eat up two voices each. So a single note > with 4 layers would eat up 8 voices, ouch! > - No megamix. This is Roland's equivelant of XMIX (to be fair, XMIX is > actually Emu's interpretation on Megamix) and it's a godsend as far as I'm > concerned for live use. You could play hours of songs live without having > to stop the set to select a new track or Pattern. Opens up all kinds of > creative possibilities. > - Size. The mc909 is a real beast, very large and not as easily portable > as the XX-7's. There's nothing like heading down to the park to make some > music outside to spur on some inspiration. > > I had to confront this choice again very recently when I won the PX-7. I > was given the option of putting that credit towards a mc909 or > MPC2000/4000 if I wanted. I'll admit, I did think about it for quite a > bit too. Why? Onboard sampling. It's a big deal for people like me who > have a lot of custom samples they want to use, or who might want to take > their studio creations live. It would save me the (ongoing) trouble of > trying to find a sampler to complement my XL-7. > > Eventually though, I knew that if I got a mc909 and left the group, no one > here would be able to pick a ROM for themselves, or know how to use effect > sends, so I decided I better stay for your sake. > > J/K! > > Actually I've gotten to really enjoy using the XX-7, it's fast and dead > easy to program, sounds great, and is far better for me live. Plus, it > just feels like an "instrument" when I play it. I don't feel like I'm > programming a computer, or sequencing at all. The lines between Pattern > and Preset creations totally blur for me, and I'm just making cool sounds > I can play back for others. Something that not much other gear nowadays > makes me feel like.... > > rEalm > > > > > > > bluetechnics <ksellers88@h...> > 02/10/2004 01:29 PM > Please respond to xl7 > > > To: xl7@yahoogroups.com > cc: > Subject: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909 > > > Thanks for the input fellas. Given the pros and cons of each unit, > which would you ultimately choose (is this a dumb question considering > this is an XX-7 group?) > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote: > > Whew, that's quite task! (Obviously we prefer the XX-7's too) > Here's some > > things in short: > > > > MC909 has 64 voices of polyphony, XX-7 has 128. > > MC909 has a master effect compressor, and IMO better effects overall. > > XX-7 has XMIX, 909 lost the Megamix that the 505 had. > > MC909 has only one expansion slot for additional sounds (I think > it's 1), > > the XX-7 has 3. > > > > If Ravi reads this, he can probably add more, as I think he still has > > both... > > rEalm > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the > > pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units > > and which do you prefer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity > > to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally > > privileged material. 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RE: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-11 by Matt Picone
> If you're looking for a sampler/sequencer for studio work, > then you can't go wrong with an xx-7 and ... > Akai Z series I have a connection right now to a really hot deal on an expanded Akai Z8. Email me if you want more info. -m@
Re: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-11 by Ravi Ivan Sharma
Depending on whether you must have multisamples or not, the announced FantomX rack module plus the XX-7 may be a perfect combination of Emu sequencing and finesse coupled with the sound capabilities of the mc-909/fantom and a pretty huge sampler all in one rack space with new support and new things like usb, etc. Ravi
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From: Stu
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
If you're looking for a sampler/sequencer for studio work, then you can't go
wrong with an xx-7 and some sort of rackmounted sampler like an E-MU Ultra
(going cheap these days) or Akai Z series, or maybe even a softsampler. The
new E-MU Emulator X gives you everything their hardware samplers do and then
some, and if you already have a fast PC, the cost of an xx-7 and Emulator X
is going to be less than an MC-909. Also take into account that with the
Emulator X, you could have an EQ and compressor on EACH channel!!
I've looked at varous tabletop samplers myself, but my xx-7 and E-MU Ultra
combo beats them all hands down, except for the fact that it's not quite as
portable.
Just my tuppence worth,
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: bluetechnics [mailto:ksellers88@...]
Sent: 10 February 2004 23:16
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
Thanks a lot for the extended reply. Since I would use the MC909 mainly
for studio work, the portability and live performance factors are not
a big issue for me. I really like the on board sampling and the
turntable pitch slider. I guess the main thing that's keeping me from
getting one is the polyphony issue. I wonder if 64 voices will be enough?
I emailed Roger S since he produced some patterns for the MC909 to see
how he feels about the 64 voice polyphony. Thanks again.
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Yes that is a dumb question, haha. :) Let's put it this way. I
used to
> be huge fan of the mc505 (long before the XX-7's were a twinkle in
Emu's
> eye), and I still think it's a really nice machine. I had the
chance to
> ditch the XL-7 and go with a Mc909 when they came out, but I didn't for
> the following reasons:
>
> - Limited polyphony. Yeah, 64 voices isn't bad, but I knew I'd eat
them
> up in a heartbeat once I started layering my presets. Plus, the XV
ROMs
> can use stereo waveforms, which eat up two voices each. So a single
note
> with 4 layers would eat up 8 voices, ouch!
> - No megamix. This is Roland's equivelant of XMIX (to be fair, XMIX is
> actually Emu's interpretation on Megamix) and it's a godsend as far
as I'm
> concerned for live use. You could play hours of songs live without
having
> to stop the set to select a new track or Pattern. Opens up all
kinds of
> creative possibilities.
> - Size. The mc909 is a real beast, very large and not as easily
portable
> as the XX-7's. There's nothing like heading down to the park to
make some
> music outside to spur on some inspiration.
>
> I had to confront this choice again very recently when I won the
PX-7. I
> was given the option of putting that credit towards a mc909 or
> MPC2000/4000 if I wanted. I'll admit, I did think about it for quite a
> bit too. Why? Onboard sampling. It's a big deal for people like
me who
> have a lot of custom samples they want to use, or who might want to
take
> their studio creations live. It would save me the (ongoing) trouble of
> trying to find a sampler to complement my XL-7.
>
> Eventually though, I knew that if I got a mc909 and left the group,
no one
> here would be able to pick a ROM for themselves, or know how to use
effect
> sends, so I decided I better stay for your sake.
>
> J/K!
>
> Actually I've gotten to really enjoy using the XX-7, it's fast and dead
> easy to program, sounds great, and is far better for me live. Plus, it
> just feels like an "instrument" when I play it. I don't feel like I'm
> programming a computer, or sequencing at all. The lines between
Pattern
> and Preset creations totally blur for me, and I'm just making cool
sounds
> I can play back for others. Something that not much other gear
nowadays
> makes me feel like....
>
> rEalm
>
>
>
>
>
>
> bluetechnics <ksellers88@h...>
> 02/10/2004 01:29 PM
> Please respond to xl7
>
>
> To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
> cc:
> Subject: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
>
>
> Thanks for the input fellas. Given the pros and cons of each unit,
> which would you ultimately choose (is this a dumb question considering
> this is an XX-7 group?)
>
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > Whew, that's quite task! (Obviously we prefer the XX-7's too)
> Here's some
> > things in short:
> >
> > MC909 has 64 voices of polyphony, XX-7 has 128.
> > MC909 has a master effect compressor, and IMO better effects overall.
> > XX-7 has XMIX, 909 lost the Megamix that the 505 had.
> > MC909 has only one expansion slot for additional sounds (I think
> it's 1),
> > the XX-7 has 3.
> >
> > If Ravi reads this, he can probably add more, as I think he still has
> > both...
> > rEalm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Other than the fact that the XL7 can't sample, has anyone compared the
> > pros and cons of the XL7 vs MC909? Has anyone worked with these units
> > and which do you prefer?
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> >
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-11 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Nah, the park near me has power outlets in one section (I call it Studio
B). I WISH there was a battery option! :)
rEalm
Mike-E <d_jumpmaster@...>
02/10/2004 02:51 PM
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Re: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-11 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Damn Ravi, that's an excellent idea I hadn't considered yet.... thanks. rEalm Depending on whether you must have multisamples or not, the announced FantomX rack module plus the XX-7 may be a perfect combination of Emu sequencing and finesse coupled with the sound capabilities of the mc-909/fantom and a pretty huge sampler all in one rack space with new support and new things like usb, etc. Ravi The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. For Translation: http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-11 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
Mainly I just need a simple tabletop sampler with hands on control of effects and filter. It'll only be for live use triggering simple loops and one shots, so I don't anything fancy or huge polyphony. I'm far more concerned that it's fun to play and hands on. Right now it's a toss up between the Korg ESX-1 (lot's of hands on control, effects, etc) and the MPC1000 (rugged, and I like Akai samplers). It would be the MPC1k in a heartbeat, if only you could control the effects or other parameter with the sliders better. That note on variation thing is a bit limiting though... rEalm It would save me the (ongoing) trouble of trying to find a sampler to complement my XL-7. Let's talk about this. I noted this week that the Akai MPC-1000 looks nice. -m@ Yahoo! Groups Links The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. For Translation: http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-11 by Turby Schmidt
It would be the MPC1k in a >heartbeat, if only you could control the effects or other parameter with >the sliders better. cant you use the knops of your xx7 to control the external gear? ..... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: [xl7] Re: XL 7 vs MC 909
2004-02-11 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com
That's a good point, I need to dive into the MPC's midi specs to make sure
it's possible though.
rEalm
"Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@...>
02/11/2004 08:21 AM
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