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Hi 
Does anybody know a good tutorial or want to spend a few works about 
working with swing/groove templates?
Regards
Turby

As in XX-7 related, or in general?  Check the archives first, as myself 
and a guy named Medway had a pretty good (long) conversation about it 
early last year.

rEalm






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Hi 
Does anybody know a good tutorial or want to spend a few works about 
working with swing/groove templates?
Regards
Turby


 

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>As in XX-7 related, or in general?

both...... some teory cant hurt.

Check the archives first,

of course i did, with the search machine, but i wasnt lucky..

as myself
>and a guy named Medway had a pretty good (long) conversation about it
>early last year.

what subject name?

rEalm, you may have a look at my question about how to set up xx7 quick edit 
or prgmbl controler to fx send amount in multimode, do you know if this is 
possible? [that was the question already, you dont have to look for it]

Midinovela

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Both...... some teory cant hurt.

>>>LOL, sorry man, my brain is fried today (work's a bit stressful for me 
at the moment), what exactly are you looking for in terms of an 
explanation?  As in "what is swing quantize" or "how do I use swing 
quantize on the XX-7's"?  Give me a bit more info and I'll be more than 
happy to help :) <<<

rEalm, you may have a look at my question about how to set up xx7 quick 
edit or prgmbl controler to fx send amount in multimode, do you know if 
this is possible? [that was the question already, you dont have to look 
for it]

>>>Off the top of my head, I don't know why that's not working for you, 
never done it personally.  I think you need to have the effects set to 
"Controlled by Preset on Ch.x", and then make sure that Preset on that 
channel is the one you use the Preset Patchcords (as opposed to Layer 
Patchcords) set up for effects control.  I'd have to play with this at 
home some before I can say exactly what you need to do.  Frustrating I 
know, the lack of hands on effects control is one of the only major 
bummers for me when it comes to the XX-7s.  There's nothing like being 
able to crank the delay repeat up to full on a whim to create cooll build 
ups live. <<<

rEalm


 
 






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what exactly are you looking for in terms of an
>explanation?

i certainly know hat swing quantizing is, but i always done it manualy in my 
softsequenzers, because i never was satisfied with the results if i applied 
the templates... id might be interesting to listen to some examples of music 
and to get explained how the swing was applied. at the xx7 i already play 
around with the sing quantize function, but it happens the same to me as in 
my softseq, the result isnt that funky as i wish, so i may need some teory 
about what kind of swing to apply to what instrument in different styles of 
music [basically i do house, techno, freestyle]

>
>rEalm, you may have a look at my question about how to set up xx7 quick
>edit or prgmbl controler to fx send amount in multimode, do you know if
>this is possible? [that was the question already, you dont have to look
>for it]
>
I think you need to have the effects set to
>"Controlled by Preset on Ch.x", and then make sure that Preset on that
>channel is the one you use the Preset Patchcords

i did that and the delay [in this case] was applied to different channels at 
the same time,
what i want to do is, for example, assign the delay to the hihats and 
control the amount by a knob without affecting other tracks


>I'd have to play with this

thanx a lot

Midinovela

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at the xx7 i already play around with the sing quantize function, but it 
happens the same to me as in 
my softseq, the result isnt that funky as i wish, so i may need some teory 
about what kind of swing to apply to what instrument in different styles 
of music [basically i do house, techno, freestyle].

>>>I think I'll try and tailor this response from an XX-7 angle, because a 
full on explaination of what swing quantize is exactly and how it works is 
beyond the time I have available to post today, and there's others way 
more knowledgeable about it than me.

I think the key with any type of "non-standard" quantize (ie, straight up 
1/16th, etc) is that if you can plainly hear it, you added too much.  I 
know that when i add swing quantize ni my tunes, I rarely find the need to 
set the amount more than 60-63%, and the swing to around 53-56%.  It's got 
be subtle, otherwise instead of sounding boring and rigidly quantized, 
it'll sounds boring and swing quantized!  The point of it is to make a 
performance sound more life-like and natural.  If you can clearly hear the 
effect of the swing quantize, then it no longer sounds natural, it sounds 
like an effect! 

This holds true in your computer sequencer too, always start with less and 
slowly add more swing until you can hear it, then abck off a bit. Cubase's 
Iteritive (however they spell it) is great for this, as it adds tiny bits 
of the selected quantize each time you hit "Q", instead of just applying 
the whole setting at once.  For what it's worth though, the swing qauntize 
in the XX-7's is still the best I've heard, it's very musical sounding 
IMO.<<

i did that and the delay [in this case] was applied to different channels 
at the same time, what i want to do is, for example, assign the delay to 
the hihats and control the amount by a knob without affecting other tracks

>>>Well, keep in mind that if you set up a Preset patchcord to control the 
effects, the only thing you can control really is the send amount.  So any 
channels also using that particular Send will have their amounts increased 
as well.  The only workaround would be to try and dedicated a Send for 
just that track, which can be hard to do with only 4 sends.  I hear you on 
this one though, and it goes along with what i was saying eerlier about 
the hands on aspects of the effects is one of the very few letdowns for 
me. <<<

rEalm

 






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for those of you who got apetized by the discusion about swing,
heres a link.....

http://www.computermusic.co.uk/tutorial/real/3.asp

thanks!!

got to add that to my favorites to share with others.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "midinovelarg" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:

> for those of you who got apetized by the discusion about swing,
> heres a link.....
> 
> http://www.computermusic.co.uk/tutorial/real/3.asp