Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

Hello group,

I've some problems using E-Loader via an USB connection on my laptop. 
I also gave it a try on my other PC and it works fine. The USB port 
on my laptop seems to be the problem, but it works fine with other 
USB gear like a USB Memory Stick.

I've searched the internet on the specific USB port driver that's 
implemented (SiS 7001), but none of the given solutions will solve my 
problem with it.

When I connect the Command Station, Windows XP keeps telling 
me "Unknown Device" and then that the device is installed. When I 
look under System -> Devices the Unknown Device appears under USB 
devices. I can't update it's drivers with the ones the came with E-
loader.

Does someone recognize these kind of problems? I don't have a second 
USB port on the laptop, only a free FireWire port.

the problem is the message, or you cant use the e loader?
at my pc the message dissapears after opening the device installer once...
midinovela

>
>I've some problems using E-Loader via an USB connection on my laptop.
>I also gave it a try on my other PC and it works fine. The USB port
>on my laptop seems to be the problem, but it works fine with other
>USB gear like a USB Memory Stick.
>
>I've searched the internet on the specific USB port driver that's
>implemented (SiS 7001), but none of the given solutions will solve my
>problem with it.
>
>When I connect the Command Station, Windows XP keeps telling
>me "Unknown Device" and then that the device is installed. When I
>look under System -> Devices the Unknown Device appears under USB
>devices. I can't update it's drivers with the ones the came with E-
>loader.
>
>Does someone recognize these kind of problems? I don't have a second
>USB port on the laptop, only a free FireWire port.
>

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Mike-E" <d_jumpmaster@y...> wrote:
> Hello group,
> 
> I've some problems using E-Loader via an USB connection on my
> laptop. 

I don't know about USB on laptops, but setting up the USB drivers 
seems to be a little problematic.  A number of people have written 
about problems and offered tips (myself included).  I believe it was 
over six months ago, though.  You may want to try searching the 
archives.

My experience in a nutshell: I had problems with a partial USB driver 
installation that later caused inconsistent success with E-Mu/USB 
connectivity.  I had to go back to ground level with the USB 
installation.  Unfortunately, I don't recall the specifics of what I 
had to undo.  But after I did it, though, the USB drivers installed 
fine and worked consistently.

Others made suggestions that may apply to your situation.

Good luck!!
--Dr. Steve

If I open E-Loader I can't select the USB driver as the midi 
connection.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> the problem is the message, or you cant use the e loader?
> at my pc the message dissapears after opening the device installer 
once...
> midinovela
> 
> >
> >I've some problems using E-Loader via an USB connection on my 
laptop.
> >I also gave it a try on my other PC and it works fine. The USB port
> >on my laptop seems to be the problem, but it works fine with other
> >USB gear like a USB Memory Stick.
> >
> >I've searched the internet on the specific USB port driver that's
> >implemented (SiS 7001), but none of the given solutions will solve 
my
> >problem with it.
> >
> >When I connect the Command Station, Windows XP keeps telling
> >me "Unknown Device" and then that the device is installed. When I
> >look under System -> Devices the Unknown Device appears under USB
> >devices. I can't update it's drivers with the ones the came with E-
> >loader.
> >
> >Does someone recognize these kind of problems? I don't have a 
second

> >USB port on the laptop, only a free FireWire port.
> >
> 
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I've tried the archive on USB and E-Loader. But the search didn't 
return any usefull messages.
Maik


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Mike-E" <d_jumpmaster@y...> wrote:
> > Hello group,
> > 
> > I've some problems using E-Loader via an USB connection on my
> > laptop. 
> 
> I don't know about USB on laptops, but setting up the USB drivers 
> seems to be a little problematic.  A number of people have written 
> about problems and offered tips (myself included).  I believe it 
was 
> over six months ago, though.  You may want to try searching the 
> archives.
> 
> My experience in a nutshell: I had problems with a partial USB 
driver 
> installation that later caused inconsistent success with E-Mu/USB 
> connectivity.  I had to go back to ground level with the USB 
> installation.  Unfortunately, I don't recall the specifics of what 
I 

> had to undo.  But after I did it, though, the USB drivers installed 
> fine and worked consistently.
> 
> Others made suggestions that may apply to your situation.
> 
> Good luck!!
> --Dr. Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Mike-E" <d_jumpmaster@y...> wrote:
> I've tried the archive on USB and E-Loader. But the search didn't 
> return any usefull messages.
> Maik

I am not sure how far back you went; there are a lot of hits when you 
search for "USB."  I don't know if it helps, but there seems to have 
been a discussion mid July 2003.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/9660

I don't know if you saw that discussion or if there are suggestions 
that might be helpful there.

Here's a post where I tried to reconstruct what I did to get a valid, 
driver installation on a Win98SE system.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/9347

Here's a post from rEalm that may or may not help with removal and 
reinstallation of USB drivers on an XP system.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/8965

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

--Steve

No, I did not find these messages. 

The first link is a discussion about updating the OS via USB. But 
that's not my problem, because I've updated the OS via MIDI. Just as 
the Read Me file said I should do ;)

The error message described in the second link looks just like I got 
overhere... so, getting warmer :)

Finally, the last link. The posting starts with a solution I've 
already tried (see my first posting). Win XP will not except 
installing the drivers manually. After the first solution the posting 
continues... the person also describes the exact same problem as I 
have.

As I mentioned before I also tried the XL-7 via USB on my other PC. 
That PC is also running on Win XP. So I guess XP is not the only 
problem. 

Thanks anyway for your help so far. I guess I have to keep on 
searching or hoping for someone to come up with THE solution for this 
problem :)

Maik



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@p...> 
wrote:
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Mike-E" <d_jumpmaster@y...> wrote:
> > I've tried the archive on USB and E-Loader. But the search didn't 
> > return any usefull messages.
> > Maik
> 
> I am not sure how far back you went; there are a lot of hits when 
you 
> search for "USB."  I don't know if it helps, but there seems to 
have 
> been a discussion mid July 2003.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/9660
> 
> I don't know if you saw that discussion or if there are suggestions 
> that might be helpful there.
> 
> Here's a post where I tried to reconstruct what I did to get a 
valid, 

> driver installation on a Win98SE system.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/9347
> 
> Here's a post from rEalm that may or may not help with removal and 
> reinstallation of USB drivers on an XP system.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xl7/message/8965
> 
> Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
> 
> --Steve

ups, im sorry..... i never tooked care if the datatransfer phisically passes 
trough midi or usb,
maybe id have the same problem if id care........

>If I open E-Loader I can't select the USB driver as the midi
>connection.
>
>
>--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> > the problem is the message, or you cant use the e loader?
> > at my pc the message dissapears after opening the device installer
>once...
> > midinovela
> >
> > >
> > >I've some problems using E-Loader via an USB connection on my
>laptop.
> > >I also gave it a try on my other PC and it works fine. The USB port
> > >on my laptop seems to be the problem, but it works fine with other
> > >USB gear like a USB Memory Stick.
> > >
> > >I've searched the internet on the specific USB port driver that's
> > >implemented (SiS 7001), but none of the given solutions will solve
>my
> > >problem with it.
> > >
> > >When I connect the Command Station, Windows XP keeps telling
> > >me "Unknown Device" and then that the device is installed. When I
> > >look under System -> Devices the Unknown Device appears under USB
> > >devices. I can't update it's drivers with the ones the came with E-
> > >loader.
> > >
> > >Does someone recognize these kind of problems? I don't have a
>second
> > >USB port on the laptop, only a free FireWire port.
> > >
> >
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Hi.

I had exactly the same experience when I tried to connect my
P2500 to the Windoes XP machine. It keeps coming up as unknown
device.  I forced the install of the drivers, uninstalled 
rebooted everything that one could reasonably expect. 

I contacted E-MU Tech Support and got a rather condecending
reply explaining how delicate the Windows USB environment
was and that if I wasn't careful, I'd probably have to
reinstall the OS.

I had gone to great lengths to explain the process I'd 
followed to them and the reply that I got back was useless. 
It said to reinstall and try again. I do not have any USB
issues with other USB devices - only the P2500. I figured 
that I'd been in the computer industry for about 18 years 
and know bad support when I see it. The crap they sent back
reeked of "they're all idiots that know nother - so we'll
scare them by saying to be careful or they'll have to 
re-install the OS". That was the substance of the help. Can't 
say I was anything less than incredibly dissapointed.

Wow - that feels great.  

The upshot is that I don't use the USB interface on my P2500.
I connect up two midi cables and use it that way.

Not much help in this email - but at least you're not alone,
and possibly wont get help resolving the issue from E-MU. If 
you get it worked out, let me know how

Regards, Peter.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:

>I've some problems using E-Loader via an USB connection on 
>my laptop. I also gave it a try on my other PC and it works
>fine. The USB port on my laptop seems to be the problem, but
>it works fine with other USB gear like a USB Memory Stick.
>
>I've searched the internet on the specific USB port driver that's
>implemented (SiS 7001), but none of the given solutions will solve
>my problem with it.
>
>When I connect the Command Station, Windows XP keeps telling
>me "Unknown Device" and then that the device is installed. When I
>look under System -> Devices the Unknown Device appears under USB
>devices. I can't update it's drivers with the ones the came with
>E-loader.
>
>Does someone recognize these kind of problems? I don't have a
>second USB port on the laptop, only a free FireWire port.

Hello Peter,

Could you please check out what kind of USB drivers you have 
installed? So what chip set?

Maik


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "scoot2500" <gill_peter@e...> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I had exactly the same experience when I tried to connect my
> P2500 to the Windoes XP machine. It keeps coming up as unknown
> device.  I forced the install of the drivers, uninstalled 
> rebooted everything that one could reasonably expect. 
> 
> I contacted E-MU Tech Support and got a rather condecending
> reply explaining how delicate the Windows USB environment
> was and that if I wasn't careful, I'd probably have to
> reinstall the OS.
> 
> I had gone to great lengths to explain the process I'd 
> followed to them and the reply that I got back was useless. 
> It said to reinstall and try again. I do not have any USB
> issues with other USB devices - only the P2500. I figured 
> that I'd been in the computer industry for about 18 years 
> and know bad support when I see it. The crap they sent back
> reeked of "they're all idiots that know nother - so we'll
> scare them by saying to be careful or they'll have to 
> re-install the OS". That was the substance of the help. Can't 
> say I was anything less than incredibly dissapointed.
> 
> Wow - that feels great.  
> 
> The upshot is that I don't use the USB interface on my P2500.
> I connect up two midi cables and use it that way.
> 
> Not much help in this email - but at least you're not alone,
> and possibly wont get help resolving the issue from E-MU. If 
> you get it worked out, let me know how
> 
> Regards, Peter.
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> 
wrote:

> 
> >I've some problems using E-Loader via an USB connection on 
> >my laptop. I also gave it a try on my other PC and it works
> >fine. The USB port on my laptop seems to be the problem, but
> >it works fine with other USB gear like a USB Memory Stick.
> >
> >I've searched the internet on the specific USB port driver that's
> >implemented (SiS 7001), but none of the given solutions will solve
> >my problem with it.
> >
> >When I connect the Command Station, Windows XP keeps telling
> >me "Unknown Device" and then that the device is installed. When I
> >look under System -> Devices the Unknown Device appears under USB
> >devices. I can't update it's drivers with the ones the came with
> >E-loader.
> >
> >Does someone recognize these kind of problems? I don't have a
> >second USB port on the laptop, only a free FireWire port.