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2002-01-09 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com


Well, I started a quick list of things I think are bugs or serious omissions that need to be addressed. Feel free to add your own, but remember this isn't a wish list, it's a bug list. If you add one, try to keep it neat so that everyone can follow it too. Thanx!
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1. If you're real-time recording with the record quantize on, holding a note longer than a measure causes it to be recorded with the maximum duration possible.

2. Patterns cannot be shorter than 1 measure (1536 ticks), which can cause problems for those wishing to use alternate time signatures in 1 measure patterns.

3. E-Loader cannot be launched twice on some computers, the computer needs to be restart in order to launch it the second time. E-Loader will not work at all on some computers (PC and Mac).

4. Complex patterns can still cause some hiccupping when they switch in Song Mode.

5. You can erase all the data on a track, but the track mute button still remains lit as if there's data on the track (which I know technically there is, but erase all should really erase all and completely free up the track).

6. Occasionally after recording notes in real-time mode, you can go into Grid Mode and see the notes you recorded lighting up the buttons, but it will be impossible to turn some off by pressing the track mute buttons. They remain lit unless you go into Note Edit and erase them there. I think this may be tied in with #1 above (record quantize issues), not sure though.

7. No way to edit individual drum sounds in a "kit" preset. No way to assign your own drum sounds for custom drum kit Presets. Not really a bug, but a serious omission in my opinion.

8. Playing the keypads on a track with previously recorded notes playing too can cause stuck notes. Pressing MIDI + Enter will fix this, but it's still a bug.

9. No "Initialize Pattern"; command makes it hard to start from scratch when working on a new pattern. Maybe this is a wish, sorry!

rEalm

Re: Bug List

2002-01-09 by mediaworksus

This is a great start! Maybe to keep it readable, someone can adopt 
the role of collecting the bugs and pasting them into a file posted 
in the groups file folder?  The group can post new problems in the 
messages with bug somewhere in the message title and the bug 
description in the subject? This allows everyone to contribute, and 
maintains the readability with a single editor? The subject line is 
very important to ease the scanning for new bugs, so that none are 
buried in a message with a "normal" subject title. I would be willing 
to serve as the editor role...maybe not for life, but at least for 
the foreseeable future.

- Rob

--- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Well, I started a quick list of things I think are bugs or serious 
> omissions that need to be addressed.  Feel free to add your own, 
but 
> remember this isn't a wish list, it's a bug list.  If you add one, 
try to 
> keep it neat so that everyone can follow it too.  Thanx!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------
> 
> 1. If you're real-time recording with the record quantize on, 
holding a 
> note longer than a measure causes it to be recorded with the 
maximum 
> duration possible.
> 
> 2. Patterns cannot be shorter than 1 measure (1536 ticks), which 
can cause 
> problems for those wishing to use alternate time signatures in 1 
measure 
> patterns.
> 
> 3. E-Loader cannot be launched twice on some computers, the 
computer needs 
> to be restart in order to launch it the second time.  E-Loader will 
not 
> work at all on some computers (PC and Mac).
> 
> 4. Complex patterns can still cause some hiccupping when they 
switch in 
> Song Mode.
> 
> 5. You can erase all the data on a track, but the track mute button 
still 
> remains lit as if there's data on the track (which I know 
technically 
> there is, but erase all should really erase all and completely free 
up the 
> track).
> 
> 6. Occasionally after recording notes in real-time mode, you can go 
into 
> Grid Mode and see the notes you recorded lighting up the buttons, 
but it 
> will be impossible to turn some off by pressing the track mute 
buttons. 
> They remain lit unless you go into Note Edit and erase them there.  
I 
> think this may be tied in with #1 above (record quantize issues), 
not sure 
> though.
> 
> 7. No way to edit individual drum sounds in a "kit" preset.  No way 
to 
> assign your own drum sounds for custom drum kit Presets.  Not 
really a 
> bug, but a serious omission in my opinion.
> 
> 8. Playing the keypads on a track with previously recorded notes 
playing 
> too can cause stuck notes.  Pressing MIDI + Enter will fix this, 
but it's 
> still a bug.
> 
> 9. No "Initialize Pattern" command makes it hard to start from 
scratch 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> when working on a new pattern.  Maybe this is a wish, sorry!
> 
> rEalm

Re: [xl7] Re: Bug List

2002-01-09 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Go for it, I was going to, but since you offered... :)

rEalm



Maybe to keep it readable, someone can adopt the role of collecting the 
bugs and pasting them into a file posted 
in the groups file folder?  I would be willin to serve as the editor 
role...maybe not for life, but at least for 
the foreseeable future.

-------------------------------------------------
> 
> 1. If you're real-time recording with the record quantize on, 
holding a 
> note longer than a measure causes it to be recorded with the 
maximum 
> duration possible.
> 
> 2. Patterns cannot be shorter than 1 measure (1536 ticks), which 
can cause 
> problems for those wishing to use alternate time signatures in 1 
measure 
> patterns.
> 
> 3. E-Loader cannot be launched twice on some computers, the 
computer needs 
> to be restart in order to launch it the second time.  E-Loader will 
not 
> work at all on some computers (PC and Mac).
> 
> 4. Complex patterns can still cause some hiccupping when they 
switch in 
> Song Mode.
> 
> 5. You can erase all the data on a track, but the track mute button 
still 
> remains lit as if there's data on the track (which I know 
technically 
> there is, but erase all should really erase all and completely free 
up the 
> track).
> 
> 6. Occasionally after recording notes in real-time mode, you can go 
into 
> Grid Mode and see the notes you recorded lighting up the buttons, 
but it 
> will be impossible to turn some off by pressing the track mute 
buttons. 
> They remain lit unless you go into Note Edit and erase them there. 
I 
> think this may be tied in with #1 above (record quantize issues), 
not sure 
> though.
> 
> 7. No way to edit individual drum sounds in a "kit" preset.  No way 
to 
> assign your own drum sounds for custom drum kit Presets.  Not 
really a 
> bug, but a serious omission in my opinion.
> 
> 8. Playing the keypads on a track with previously recorded notes 
playing 
> too can cause stuck notes.  Pressing MIDI + Enter will fix this, 
but it's 
> still a bug.
> 
> 9. No "Initialize Pattern" command makes it hard to start from 
scratch 
> when working on a new pattern.  Maybe this is a wish, sorry!
> 
> rEalm



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Re: Bug List

2002-01-09 by heinrich22001

Super, Rob, thank you!!!

Could you - to start with - post one message as an example how you 
want the bugs reported? Is there enough for a general wishlist too? 
Are you experienced enough to see if the bugs we report are really 
bugs or user errors? Feel free to to leave out my points if there are 
errors on my side.

additional on my list

bugs: 
- presets in older user patterns have changed (from perc. kix1, track 
one, to a drumkit-preset, track 1) after recording and saving new 
user patterns. The multisetup was not altered inbetween.

- sometimes a pattern runs (when mp7 linked to cakewalk sonar) but 
the play button is off and the cakewalk sonar is not running.

- mp-7 runs (sometimes not) even if the tempo in the controller menu 
is set to ext., (is this a bug?)

- midi data is received on the mp-7 (red light on) even if cakewalk 
as master stops 

- timing problems when mastering cakewalk from the mp7

- incorrect detection of tempo when synced to cakewalk, tempo changes 
on the display, but the beat ist stable

omissions:
- no effectmixing via channels (only outputs)
- no track/pattern delete function (only via cut to...)
- no replace-function when copying tracks over existing tracks (only 
merge)


Heinrich



--- In xl7@y..., "mediaworksus" <mediaworksus@y...> wrote:
> This is a great start! Maybe to keep it readable, someone can adopt 
> the role of collecting the bugs and pasting them into a file posted 
> in the groups file folder?  The group can post new problems in the 
> messages with bug somewhere in the message title and the bug 
> description in the subject? This allows everyone to contribute, and 
> maintains the readability with a single editor? The subject line is 
> very important to ease the scanning for new bugs, so that none are 
> buried in a message with a "normal" subject title. I would be 
willing 
> to serve as the editor role...maybe not for life, but at least for 
> the foreseeable future.
> 
> - Rob
> 
> --- In xl7@y..., erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> > Well, I started a quick list of things I think are bugs or 
serious 
> > omissions that need to be addressed.  Feel free to add your own, 
> but 
> > remember this isn't a wish list, it's a bug list.  If you add 
one, 
> try to 
> > keep it neat so that everyone can follow it too.  Thanx!
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > 1. If you're real-time recording with the record quantize on, 
> holding a 
> > note longer than a measure causes it to be recorded with the 
> maximum 
> > duration possible.
> > 
> > 2. Patterns cannot be shorter than 1 measure (1536 ticks), which 
> can cause 
> > problems for those wishing to use alternate time signatures in 1 
> measure 
> > patterns.
> > 
> > 3. E-Loader cannot be launched twice on some computers, the 
> computer needs 
> > to be restart in order to launch it the second time.  E-Loader 
will 
> not 
> > work at all on some computers (PC and Mac).
> > 
> > 4. Complex patterns can still cause some hiccupping when they 
> switch in 
> > Song Mode.
> > 
> > 5. You can erase all the data on a track, but the track mute 
button 
> still 
> > remains lit as if there's data on the track (which I know 
> technically 
> > there is, but erase all should really erase all and completely 
free 
> up the 
> > track).
> > 
> > 6. Occasionally after recording notes in real-time mode, you can 
go 
> into 
> > Grid Mode and see the notes you recorded lighting up the buttons, 
> but it 
> > will be impossible to turn some off by pressing the track mute 
> buttons. 
> > They remain lit unless you go into Note Edit and erase them 
there.  
> I 
> > think this may be tied in with #1 above (record quantize issues), 
> not sure 
> > though.
> > 
> > 7. No way to edit individual drum sounds in a "kit" preset.  No 
way 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> to 
> > assign your own drum sounds for custom drum kit Presets.  Not 
> really a 
> > bug, but a serious omission in my opinion.
> > 
> > 8. Playing the keypads on a track with previously recorded notes 
> playing 
> > too can cause stuck notes.  Pressing MIDI + Enter will fix this, 
> but it's 
> > still a bug.
> > 
> > 9. No "Initialize Pattern" command makes it hard to start from 
> scratch 
> > when working on a new pattern.  Maybe this is a wish, sorry!
> > 
> > rEalm

Re: Bug List - Keep 'em bugs coming!!!

2002-01-09 by mediaworksus

I am working on the "example" bug format now. Yeah! Let's put a 
section in for "wishlist" items as well!

We do need to be sure that we are putting true bugs in the bug list. 
I will try to recreate the bugs as they are submitted, but as I am a 
new owner and don't have alot of experience with this piece I could 
use some help.

Maybe if ***anyone*** sees a bug posted and can confirm they have 
seen the same behavior as well that would help. Or if *anyone* sees a 
bug posted, they can take a few seconds to try to imitate the setup 
to get the same results, that would be great and confirm if it is a 
bug. I will try to do this myself, but I might get over my head, or 
lack the equipment/software and send a post out asking for help from 
members.

Anyone have other ideas how to be sure we are putting true bug in the 
report?

Thanks,

- Rob

> Could you - to start with - post one message as an example how you 
> want the bugs reported? Is there enough for a general wishlist too? 
> Are you experienced enough to see if the bugs we report are really 
> bugs or user errors? Feel free to to leave out my points if there 
are 
> errors on my side.
>

Re: [xl7] Re: Bug List

2002-01-10 by Scott Ruda

> 3. E-Loader cannot be launched twice on some computers, the computer 
> needs
> to be restart in order to launch it the second time.  E-Loader will not
> work at all on some computers (PC and Mac).

I believe the cause of the problem of not being able to launch more than 
once has been found and will be resolved in the next release of E-Loader 
(coming soon). This should only be a problem on Windows 4.x systems 
(e.g. Win 98 variants) and only happens when using the Microsoft JVM. 
The interim work around is to use the Sun JVM instead, which I recommend 
in general anyway. If people are having this kind of problem with any 
Windows 5.x systems (WinNT variants) and/or any Sun JVM, you need to let 
me know.

Note if you are currently running the Microsoft JVM and want to switch 
to the Sun JVM you must un-install E-Loader and re-install it after 
installing the Sun JVM (a version of it can be found on the CD that came 
with your unit). E-Loader remembers which brand of JVM was used when 
first installed and will continue to use that one on any subsequent 
launch even if another brand of JVM was installed later. Un-installing 
E-Loader will not cause any data to be lost.

I am not aware of any unresolved problems when running E-Loader on a 
Mac. All the problems I have heard of with the Mac have been resolved by 
users by re-installing the Mac JVM (MRJ). If anyone has unresolved 
issues with E-Loader and the Mac, let me know, because there are no 
fixes in the works. (i.e. there are no non-operational bug fixes planned 
for the Mac, though there will be new features in the new release)

Scott

Re: Bug List

2002-01-10 by boomtap

It's happening to me, I'm runnning Windows XP. I have to reboot 
everytime and when I select options or properties it's freezes.




--- In xl7@y..., Scott Ruda <scottr@e...> wrote:
> 
> > 3. E-Loader cannot be launched twice on some computers, the 
computer 
> > needs
> > to be restart in order to launch it the second time.  E-Loader 
will not
> > work at all on some computers (PC and Mac).
> 
> I believe the cause of the problem of not being able to launch more 
than 
> once has been found and will be resolved in the next release of E-
Loader 
> (coming soon). This should only be a problem on Windows 4.x systems 
> (e.g. Win 98 variants) and only happens when using the Microsoft 
JVM. 
> The interim work around is to use the Sun JVM instead, which I 
recommend 
> in general anyway. If people are having this kind of problem with 
any 
> Windows 5.x systems (WinNT variants) and/or any Sun JVM, you need 
to let 
> me know.
> 
> Note if you are currently running the Microsoft JVM and want to 
switch 
> to the Sun JVM you must un-install E-Loader and re-install it after 
> installing the Sun JVM (a version of it can be found on the CD that 
came 
> with your unit). E-Loader remembers which brand of JVM was used 
when 
> first installed and will continue to use that one on any subsequent 
> launch even if another brand of JVM was installed later. Un-
installing 
> E-Loader will not cause any data to be lost.
> 
> I am not aware of any unresolved problems when running E-Loader on 
a 
> Mac. All the problems I have heard of with the Mac have been 
resolved by 
> users by re-installing the Mac JVM (MRJ). If anyone has unresolved 
> issues with E-Loader and the Mac, let me know, because there are no 
> fixes in the works. (i.e. there are no non-operational bug fixes 
planned 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> for the Mac, though there will be new features in the new release)
> 
> Scott

Re: [xl7] Re: Bug List

2002-01-13 by Scott Ruda

On Thursday, January 10, 2002, at 01:13  AM, boomtap wrote:

>> This should only be a problem on Windows 4.x systems
>> (e.g. Win 98 variants) and only happens when using the Microsoft VM.
>> The interim work around is to use the Sun JVM instead, which I 
>> recommend
>> in general anyway. If people are having this kind of problem with any
>> Windows 5.x systems (WinNT variants) and/or any Sun JVM, you need to 
>> let
>> me know.

> It's happening to me, I'm runnning Windows XP. I have to reboot
> everytime and when I select options or properties it's freezes.

Hmmm, it works fine for me (and everyone else?) on WinNT and Win2000, 
which I thought should be the same as WinXP (which I haven't tried yet). 
You are still probably using the Microsoft JVM. If so, please try the 
Sun JVM. (It is to your advantage for numerous reasons. As I said 
before, in the next release of E-Loader there will be new features that 
won't be available in the MS JVM because it is not Java2 compliant).

And what exactly do you mean when you say that you get a freeze when you 
'select options or properties'?

Scott

Re: Bug List

2002-01-18 by ktkukkon

--- In xl7@y..., Scott Ruda <scottr@e...> wrote:

> You are still probably using the Microsoft JVM. If so, please try 
the 
> Sun JVM. (It is to your advantage for numerous reasons. As I said 
> before, in the next release of E-Loader there will be new features 
that 
> won't be available in the MS JVM because it is not Java2 compliant).
> 

Ok, I'll bite. Where can I find this Sun Java package? And in 
diskette-portable form, no less? I don't have a modem at home so I 
will have to transfer the code by hand (huzzah). Thanks for your help,


-Taneli

Re: [xl7] Re: Bug List

2002-01-18 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

It's on the CD that came with your Comamnd Station.  Uninstall E-Loader, 
install the sun Java, then reinstall E-Laoder.  Solved all my problems, 
can't believe I didn't realize I hadn't install the Sun Java in the first 
place :) 

Anyone know how to change the font in the Pattern Upload screen?  While 
the sun java works better, E-loader is a bit harder to read now...

rEalm




Ok, I'll bite. Where can I find this Sun Java package? And in 
diskette-portable form, no less? I don't have a modem at home so I 
will have to transfer the code by hand (huzzah). Thanks for your help,


-Taneli


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Re: [xl7] Re: Bug List

2002-01-18 by Scott Ruda

On Friday, January 18, 2002, at 01:23  AM, ktkukkon wrote:

> --- In xl7@y..., Scott Ruda <scottr@e...> wrote:
>
>> You are still probably using the Microsoft JVM. If so, please try
>> the Sun VM
[...]
> Ok, I'll bite. Where can I find this Sun Java package? And in
> diskette-portable form, no less? I don't have a modem at home so I
> will have to transfer the code by hand (huzzah). Thanks for your help,

It's on the CD that came with your XL-7.

Scott

Re: Bug List

2002-01-22 by ktkukkon

> It's on the CD that came with your XL-7.
> 
> Scott


Whoa, who knew! Thanks a lot, Scott! Installing today.

-Taneli

Re: Bug List

2002-01-22 by ktkukkon

...

Cheers as well, Mark. You're very helpful.


Taneli

Bug List

2004-07-26 by gonzinigonz

Hi, 
I dont want to get all caught up in bug hell with my XL-7. ive had a 
problem already when editing note durations in grid mode.
Is there a bug list posted somewhere of known O/S problems that 
button press's should be avoided?
Thanks
Gonz

Re: [xl7] Bug List

2004-07-26 by Aaron Eppolito

So I actually thought that bug was fixed by disallowing edit mode while
recording, but apparently I only disallowed the pattern menu while
actively realtime recording.  The bottom line is, don't erase notes in
one view while looking at another view (i.e. erase notes with grid edit
while in list edit, or vice-versa).

> I dont want to get all caught up in bug hell with my XL-7. ive had a 
> problem already when editing note durations in grid mode.
> Is there a bug list posted somewhere of known O/S problems that 
> button press's should be avoided?


		
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Re: Bug List

2004-07-26 by gonzinigonz

Hi Aaron, thanks for your reply. i kinder figured that would end up 
being the case!
Im a new user and havant really had a good all day session still on 
it (really busy with work, its related though..)
I fell over on that one straight away.
Found the grid mode nice to input notes and then try to use pattern 
edit to change the duration / velocity of the notes.
It seemed to mess up when i tryed deleting an event and then scoll 
back to a earlier event. (like you say, i can understand that 
though..)
l'll try to not have both edit screens open at once! 
How would you suggest i change the note lenght in grid mode, just 
with the note values that are pre-set ie: 16th 32nd 8th etc?
Then exit grid mode and then into pattern edit and do it all there 
then i guess..
Regards
Gonz



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> So I actually thought that bug was fixed by disallowing edit mode 
while
> recording, but apparently I only disallowed the pattern menu while
> actively realtime recording.  The bottom line is, don't erase notes 
in
> one view while looking at another view (i.e. erase notes with grid 
edit
> while in list edit, or vice-versa).
> 
> > I dont want to get all caught up in bug hell with my XL-7. ive 
had a 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > problem already when editing note durations in grid mode.
> > Is there a bug list posted somewhere of known O/S problems that 
> > button press's should be avoided?
> 
> 
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