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Re: [xl7] How To sysex dump of patches. :)

Re: [xl7] How To sysex dump of patches. :)

2003-09-17 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Ok, like you said the only things that can be backed up via E-loader are 
your Patterns and Songs.  That means that your Preset, Multi Setups, Arps, 
and all other settings must be backed up via sysex dumps to an external 
sequencer.  Luckily, most midi sequencers will accept Sysex dumps, so this 
isn't too much of a hassle.  Some important things to check before you 
start:

1. Obviously, you need to make sure your sequencer of choice will actually 
support MIDI Sysex Dumps.  Most of the major sequencers do (Logic, SX, 
Sonar, Pro Tools, etc), and plenty of budget sequencers do as well.

2. Make sure that the sequencer isn't set to filter out sysex data by 
default.  Most sequencers are set to ignore sysex commands when you first 
get them, so you will need to go into the MIDI Preferences (or wherever 
it's located) and set the software to accept these messages.  Look in your 
respective manuals for more details.

3. Make sure you have turn off MIDI Thru in th esequencer as well, no need 
to send the XX-7's the same data they are currently sending!  If you're 
lucky, the XL-7 will only lock up on you, if not... well I suppose it is 
possible to lose some Presets.

Ok, now that you've check all the of the sequencer, we're ready to begin. 
The first thing to so is to create a new song in your sequencer, and then 
create a few MIDI tracks in that song.  Make sure you assign the correct 
MIDI In port on each track, it should (obviously) be the one connected to 
the MIDI out of the XX-7.

Most of the settings that can be sent as Sysex are in the MIDI menu, on 
the page called "Send MIDI Sysex Data".  Once you get to that page, you 
can cursor to the lower line, and select the following type fo data to 
send:

- Current Multisetup.
- Program/Preset Map.
- Tuning Tables.
- Multimode Map.
- User Bank 0, 1, 2, or 3 Presets.
- Current Preset.

The only setting not sent from this page, is the the User Arps, which can 
be accessed in the Arp menu.

Once you decide what setting you want to transfer, start recording on the 
external sequecner, then press Enter on the XX-7.  Wait until it's done, 
and you're all set!  If you get an error message during the transfer, you 
might want to try raising the Sysex Packet Delay in the MIDI Menu. 
Personally, I can use mine set to 25ms with no problems (recording into 
Cubase SX), though you may need to use a higher value in order to get it 
to work properly.

Restoring Sysex back ups is even easier, just play back the data on the 
MID track into the XX-7, and it'll automatically overwrite whatever is 
stored in the appropriate place.  Easy!  If you need more information, 
check pages 168-169 in the XX-7 manual (revision G).

rEalm




    So Id really like to back up ALL the stuff on my Mp-7. However, 
as if understand correctly, eloader only saves sequences?? So I read 
something awhile ago about doing a sysex dump and storing the patches 
via MIDI. Is there anyway I can get a HOW-TO on this subject?? Id 
really like to back up all of my patches and multis also. 









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Song Select

2003-09-17 by Stu

Hi,

I was just wondering if the XX-7 can send/receive Song Select commands?

Regards,

Stu
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From: erik_magrini@... [mailto:erik_magrini@...]
Sent: 17 September 2003 15:05
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] How To sysex dump of patches. :)


Ok, like you said the only things that can be backed up via E-loader are
your Patterns and Songs.  That means that your Preset, Multi Setups, Arps,
and all other settings must be backed up via sysex dumps to an external
sequencer.  Luckily, most midi sequencers will accept Sysex dumps, so this
isn't too much of a hassle.  Some important things to check before you
start:

1. Obviously, you need to make sure your sequencer of choice will actually
support MIDI Sysex Dumps.  Most of the major sequencers do (Logic, SX,
Sonar, Pro Tools, etc), and plenty of budget sequencers do as well.

2. Make sure that the sequencer isn't set to filter out sysex data by
default.  Most sequencers are set to ignore sysex commands when you first
get them, so you will need to go into the MIDI Preferences (or wherever
it's located) and set the software to accept these messages.  Look in your
respective manuals for more details.

3. Make sure you have turn off MIDI Thru in th esequencer as well, no need
to send the XX-7's the same data they are currently sending!  If you're
lucky, the XL-7 will only lock up on you, if not... well I suppose it is
possible to lose some Presets.

Ok, now that you've check all the of the sequencer, we're ready to begin.
The first thing to so is to create a new song in your sequencer, and then
create a few MIDI tracks in that song.  Make sure you assign the correct
MIDI In port on each track, it should (obviously) be the one connected to
the MIDI out of the XX-7.

Most of the settings that can be sent as Sysex are in the MIDI menu, on
the page called "Send MIDI Sysex Data".  Once you get to that page, you
can cursor to the lower line, and select the following type fo data to
send:

- Current Multisetup.
- Program/Preset Map.
- Tuning Tables.
- Multimode Map.
- User Bank 0, 1, 2, or 3 Presets.
- Current Preset.

The only setting not sent from this page, is the the User Arps, which can
be accessed in the Arp menu.

Once you decide what setting you want to transfer, start recording on the
external sequecner, then press Enter on the XX-7.  Wait until it's done,
and you're all set!  If you get an error message during the transfer, you
might want to try raising the Sysex Packet Delay in the MIDI Menu.
Personally, I can use mine set to 25ms with no problems (recording into
Cubase SX), though you may need to use a higher value in order to get it
to work properly.

Restoring Sysex back ups is even easier, just play back the data on the
MID track into the XX-7, and it'll automatically overwrite whatever is
stored in the appropriate place.  Easy!  If you need more information,
check pages 168-169 in the XX-7 manual (revision G).

rEalm




    So Id really like to back up ALL the stuff on my Mp-7. However,
as if understand correctly, eloader only saves sequences?? So I read
something awhile ago about doing a sysex dump and storing the patches
via MIDI. Is there anyway I can get a HOW-TO on this subject?? Id
really like to back up all of my patches and multis also.









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RE: [xl7] Song Select

2003-09-17 by Stu

I just had a look at the MIDI Implementation Chart and the answer is no. ;/
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stu [mailto:routerman@...]
Sent: 17 September 2003 15:26
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Song Select


Hi,

I was just wondering if the XX-7 can send/receive Song Select commands?

Regards,

Stu


-----Original Message-----
From: erik_magrini@... [mailto:erik_magrini@...]
Sent: 17 September 2003 15:05
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [xl7] How To sysex dump of patches. :)


Ok, like you said the only things that can be backed up via E-loader are
your Patterns and Songs.  That means that your Preset, Multi Setups, Arps,
and all other settings must be backed up via sysex dumps to an external
sequencer.  Luckily, most midi sequencers will accept Sysex dumps, so this
isn't too much of a hassle.  Some important things to check before you
start:

1. Obviously, you need to make sure your sequencer of choice will actually
support MIDI Sysex Dumps.  Most of the major sequencers do (Logic, SX,
Sonar, Pro Tools, etc), and plenty of budget sequencers do as well.

2. Make sure that the sequencer isn't set to filter out sysex data by
default.  Most sequencers are set to ignore sysex commands when you first
get them, so you will need to go into the MIDI Preferences (or wherever
it's located) and set the software to accept these messages.  Look in your
respective manuals for more details.

3. Make sure you have turn off MIDI Thru in th esequencer as well, no need
to send the XX-7's the same data they are currently sending!  If you're
lucky, the XL-7 will only lock up on you, if not... well I suppose it is
possible to lose some Presets.

Ok, now that you've check all the of the sequencer, we're ready to begin.
The first thing to so is to create a new song in your sequencer, and then
create a few MIDI tracks in that song.  Make sure you assign the correct
MIDI In port on each track, it should (obviously) be the one connected to
the MIDI out of the XX-7.

Most of the settings that can be sent as Sysex are in the MIDI menu, on
the page called "Send MIDI Sysex Data".  Once you get to that page, you
can cursor to the lower line, and select the following type fo data to
send:

- Current Multisetup.
- Program/Preset Map.
- Tuning Tables.
- Multimode Map.
- User Bank 0, 1, 2, or 3 Presets.
- Current Preset.

The only setting not sent from this page, is the the User Arps, which can
be accessed in the Arp menu.

Once you decide what setting you want to transfer, start recording on the
external sequecner, then press Enter on the XX-7.  Wait until it's done,
and you're all set!  If you get an error message during the transfer, you
might want to try raising the Sysex Packet Delay in the MIDI Menu.
Personally, I can use mine set to 25ms with no problems (recording into
Cubase SX), though you may need to use a higher value in order to get it
to work properly.

Restoring Sysex back ups is even easier, just play back the data on the
MID track into the XX-7, and it'll automatically overwrite whatever is
stored in the appropriate place.  Easy!  If you need more information,
check pages 168-169 in the XX-7 manual (revision G).

rEalm




    So Id really like to back up ALL the stuff on my Mp-7. However,
as if understand correctly, eloader only saves sequences?? So I read
something awhile ago about doing a sysex dump and storing the patches
via MIDI. Is there anyway I can get a HOW-TO on this subject?? Id
really like to back up all of my patches and multis also.









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Bank Select

2003-09-17 by Stu

Hi,

Does it *send* bank select commands?

Stu

RE: [xl7] Bank Select

2003-09-17 by Stu

Sorry - the answer to this question is also in the MIDI Implementation Chart
and is "yes" ;)

Regards,

Stu
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From: Stu [mailto:routerman@...]
Sent: 17 September 2003 15:36
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Bank Select


Hi,

Does it *send* bank select commands?

Stu



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RE: [xl7] Bank Select

2003-09-17 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

RTFMIC?  :)

rEalm





Stu <routerman@...>
09/17/2003 09:48 AM
Please respond to xl7

 
        To:     xl7@yahoogroups.com
        cc: 
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Sorry - the answer to this question is also in the MIDI Implementation 
Chart
and is "yes" ;)

Regards,

Stu

-----Original Message-----
From: Stu [mailto:routerman@...]
Sent: 17 September 2003 15:36
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xl7] Bank Select


Hi,

Does it *send* bank select commands?

Stu



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RE: [xl7] Bank Select

2003-09-17 by Aaron Eppolito

Lol, always nice to see people answering their own questions...  =)

-Aaron

--- erik_magrini@... wrote:
> RTFMIC?  :)
> 
> Stu <routerman@...>
> > 
> > Sorry - the answer to this question is also in the MIDI
> > Implementation Chart and is "yes" ;)


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Re: Bank Select

2003-09-17 by steve_the_composer

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@y...> wrote:
> Lol, always nice to see people answering their own questions...  =)
> 
> -Aaron
> 
I agree, but when people post questions and then 11-12 minutes later 
post "never mind" replies to their own questions, I wonder why they 
just didn't delete the queston in the first place.

Not a question--just wondering out loud.

Re: [xl7] Re: Bank Select

2003-09-17 by Aaron Eppolito

--- steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> Not a question--just wondering out loud. 

Not an answer, just ramblings... =)

1 - then nobody learns from it
2 - they don't know about the delete function
3 - some percentage of people only subscribe to the email list

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RE: [xl7] Bank Select

2003-09-18 by Stu

My question for today is...

can you set the XX-7 trigger buttons to send stuff like controllers, sysex,
program changes, etc, or is it just notes? Also, can you set them up to be
latching/momentary?

Give me a sec and I'll give you the answers after I RTFM...

Regards,

Stu
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-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Eppolito [mailto:synthesis77@...]
Sent: 17 September 2003 16:20
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [xl7] Bank Select


Lol, always nice to see people answering their own questions...  =)

-Aaron

--- erik_magrini@... wrote:
> RTFMIC?  :)
>
> Stu <routerman@...>
> >
> > Sorry - the answer to this question is also in the MIDI
> > Implementation Chart and is "yes" ;)


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RE: [xl7] Bank Select

2003-09-18 by Stu

Okay, having browsed the manual, it seems the trigger buttons only send midi
notes ;/ The triggers do have latching/momentary modes but without the
ability to send controller data this is mostly useless for what I had in
mind...

However, there are 2 footswitches that can be programmed to send controller
data. They don't seem to have programmable latching/momentary modes, and
aren't ideal, but they may do at a pinch...

Unfortunately this means I am in a quandry over whether to go ahead with my
acquisition of a second-hand (but unused) MP-7, which involves the sale of
my Doepfer Regelwerk, or to keep the Regelwerk. The Regelwerk can do all the
things I was asking about with ease, but the MP-7 sports a proper sequencer
and on-board sounds (which I can add my own to using a 32MB flash ROM I have
acquired dead cheap - currently in my sampler providing instant access to
sounds but not really needed considering I can set the sampler to autoload a
bank on bootup). I was thinking an MP-7 and flash ROM would allow me to play
out without the need for any other kit - altho given the opportunity I would
take my E4 Ultra, my Axon, Dopefer Drehbank and my RM1x to give me more
sound creation/manipulation options...

I have arranged to collect the MP-7 tomorrow, and someone is coming over to
pick up the Regelwerk saturday morning... I could easily sell the MP-7 for
what I am paying for it if it don't work out, but I fear that if I sell the
Regelwerk then once it's gone, it's gone... unless I buy a new one, or
something like a Novation Remote-24 (anyone got any experience of one of
these? Is the build quality any good or are they too plasticy to stand up to
much abuse?) On the other hand, I've been trying to sell the Regelwerk for a
while so I don't want to pass up the opportunity...

Decisions, decisions....

Mind you, with the Drehbank and the MP-7 I will have a combined total of 80
knobs to mess with, so maybe I could setup some of those to do what I was
hoping to use the buttons for...

Sorry for mindless rambling/thinking out loud, but if anyone's got any
ideas/recommendations then feel free...

Regards,

Stu

p.s. Aaron - is there any hope of getting you to add controller
functionality to the trigger buttons? It seems to me all you've got to do is
add an option to change the first byte of the note on message from 9n to
Bn... I can't see that being too hard...
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-----Original Message-----

From: Stu [mailto:routerman@...]
Sent: 18 September 2003 13:57
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [xl7] Bank Select


My question for today is...

can you set the XX-7 trigger buttons to send stuff like controllers, sysex,
program changes, etc, or is it just notes? Also, can you set them up to be
latching/momentary?

Give me a sec and I'll give you the answers after I RTFM...

Regards,

Stu

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Eppolito [mailto:synthesis77@...]
Sent: 17 September 2003 16:20
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [xl7] Bank Select


Lol, always nice to see people answering their own questions...  =)

-Aaron

--- erik_magrini@... wrote:
> RTFMIC?  :)
>
> Stu <routerman@...>
> >
> > Sorry - the answer to this question is also in the MIDI
> > Implementation Chart and is "yes" ;)


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[xl7] Question for Aaron

2003-09-18 by Stu

Okay, having browsed the manual, it seems the trigger buttons only send midi
notes ;/ The triggers do have latching/momentary modes but without the
ability to send controller data this is mostly useless for what I had in
mind...

Aaron - is there any hope of getting you to add controller
functionality to the trigger buttons? It seems to me all you've got to do is
add an option to change the first byte of the note on message from 9n to
Bn... I can't see that being too hard...

Regards,

Stu

Re: [xl7] Question for Aaron

2007-07-01 by Aaron Eppolito

Dunno.  I've noticed your posts but didn't really have any insight to add.  I would think that the unit doing the sending might need the ROMs, but if you've gotten it to work once without them, probably not.  My suggestions would be to turn up the sysex packet delay, turn off rechannelization, and try the ROMs in other machines.  You could hook it up to a sequencer or sysex viewing program to see if it has the ROM IDs in the dump without the actual ROMs to ensure that the sent data is right.

Other than that, I don't see why it wouldn't work...

-Aaron
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----- Original Message ----
From: ed mann <gongworks@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2007 9:10:26 AM
Subject: [xl7] Question for Aaron

Greetings Aaron,
   
  thanks for your time in reading this:
   
  In your opinion, do you think:
   
  (A)  Is it possible to transfer all a preset data from Xl7 to Xl7 if (1) Xl7 has ROM(s) and (1) does not?
   
  2) In order to sucessfully transfer all data from xl7 to Xl7, is it neccesassry for both Xl7's to have the same ROM setups internally in each machine?
   
  Thanks very much Aaron I do appreciate your time.
   
  Ed
   
  

ed mann <gongworks@...> wrote:
          Greetings for those still following this saga for the archives here is the status: 

(2) Xl7's connected together, (1) has no ROMs and ALL the data. (2) has ALL the ROMS and (none) of the data. Objectibve is to get all data from (1) to (2).

Afrer many attempts I finally got presets User Bank 00 to completely 100% succesffully transfer to XL7 (2). I have no idea why.



ed mann <gongworks@...> wrote:
Hi Steve! thanks for your thoughts, to clear up my mis-descriptions and add other responses:
:

Ed, I have never had 2 units side-by-side to transfer banks like you 
are trying to do; but you might try transferring the banks from Unit 
1 to Unit 2 with the ROMS installed in Unit 1 and then move the ROMS 
to Unit 2.
**I tried this - a no-go, nothing showed in unit (2) which (at the time) had -0-ROMs

Another option to try would be to store the sysex banks on 
a computer as an intermediate step. (I use SONAR.)

**Did this too, (forgot to mention) in Cubase LE. All the MIDI data shows on each Cubase MIDI track (Bank 00-01-02-03)..but when transferred even tho it shows as exiting the MIDI System NO MIDI info shows up during transfer to XL7 (2)

It makes perfect sense that you'd get the "not installed" message in 
the unit that doesn't have the ROMs, but I don't understand why you'd 
get that in the one that has the ROMs. 

**this is where I canmake ie more clear, I waited to have ROMS installed in unit (2) before trying the USER SEND commands..results as reported: Names: yes. Voice data: no.

Until you mentioned it, I had no thoughts as to what might happen to 
the integrity of the data if you try to transmit user presets with 
the ROMs removed. 
**highest ups from (ex)- EMU claim it is AOK as that info is stored in a prioritary place oin the MoBo. Indeed as I look at Preset Voice information on the Xl7 (1) - (which now has no ROMs) all data appears as thought the ROMs were there excpt of course the L1-2-3-4 data which now also reads "??? not installed" etc

I'd be interested in doing a comparison, though. If 
you want, send me (a) one (or more) user bank(s)--in sysex file 
format from the unit 1 without the ROMs and (b) the same user bank(s) 
from unit 1 with the ROMs back in there.

**I will do it! Thanks. The ROMs are headed right back to machine one so I can audio-reocrd everythink before trying this again)

Are you saying e-loader doesn't transfer patterns? (I assume you are 
saving them to computer first and then either switching the XL-7s or 
the midi setup--if you have them connected on two port.)

**I am actually primitive - moving MIDI chords. E-loader tries for about 10 secomds and then fives failed messgae. Ironically one see MIDI data flowing out toward XL7 (2) but onw does not see MIDI data coming into XL7 (2) - this is odd because otherwise MIDI IN Xl7 (2) seems to work...

Is the sysex ID the same on both XL-7s?
**affirmative yes thank again Steve for your time and input

Thanks Steve!
Ed

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gongworks" <gongworks@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings Experts!
> 
> I have (2) XL7's here, trying to get all USER preset and patterns 
from 
> 1 (1) to another (2). I have transferred the (4) ROMS from (1) to 
(2) 
> and they are all in the same positions. When I do a "Send Bank x 
USER 
> PRESETS command (1) ro (2), the process seems normal but when it is 
> completed, on (2) I have the names of each preset, but none of the 
L1-2-
> 3-4 ROM pointers = each Level reads "???? (not installed" message.
> 
> I can program presets on (2) and that works fine.
> 
> Have Tried E-loader, it triesbut fails.
> 
> Trying to save a bunch o work, so
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Ed
>

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Re: [xl7] Question for Aaron

2007-07-02 by ed mann

Thanks Aaron I will try it

Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:          Dunno. I've noticed your posts but didn't really have any insight to add. I would think that the unit doing the sending might need the ROMs, but if you've gotten it to work once without them, probably not. My suggestions would be to turn up the sysex packet delay, turn off rechannelization, and try the ROMs in other machines. You could hook it up to a sequencer or sysex viewing program to see if it has the ROM IDs in the dump without the actual ROMs to ensure that the sent data is right.

Other than that, I don't see why it wouldn't work...

-Aaron
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From: ed mann <gongworks@...>
To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2007 9:10:26 AM
Subject: [xl7] Question for Aaron

Greetings Aaron,

thanks for your time in reading this:

In your opinion, do you think:

(A) Is it possible to transfer all a preset data from Xl7 to Xl7 if (1) Xl7 has ROM(s) and (1) does not?

2) In order to sucessfully transfer all data from xl7 to Xl7, is it neccesassry for both Xl7's to have the same ROM setups internally in each machine?

Thanks very much Aaron I do appreciate your time.

Ed



ed mann <gongworks@...> wrote:
Greetings for those still following this saga for the archives here is the status: 

(2) Xl7's connected together, (1) has no ROMs and ALL the data. (2) has ALL the ROMS and (none) of the data. Objectibve is to get all data from (1) to (2).

Afrer many attempts I finally got presets User Bank 00 to completely 100% succesffully transfer to XL7 (2). I have no idea why.

ed mann <gongworks@...> wrote:
Hi Steve! thanks for your thoughts, to clear up my mis-descriptions and add other responses:
:

Ed, I have never had 2 units side-by-side to transfer banks like you 
are trying to do; but you might try transferring the banks from Unit 
1 to Unit 2 with the ROMS installed in Unit 1 and then move the ROMS 
to Unit 2.
**I tried this - a no-go, nothing showed in unit (2) which (at the time) had -0-ROMs

Another option to try would be to store the sysex banks on 
a computer as an intermediate step. (I use SONAR.)

**Did this too, (forgot to mention) in Cubase LE. All the MIDI data shows on each Cubase MIDI track (Bank 00-01-02-03)..but when transferred even tho it shows as exiting the MIDI System NO MIDI info shows up during transfer to XL7 (2)

It makes perfect sense that you'd get the "not installed" message in 
the unit that doesn't have the ROMs, but I don't understand why you'd 
get that in the one that has the ROMs. 

**this is where I canmake ie more clear, I waited to have ROMS installed in unit (2) before trying the USER SEND commands..results as reported: Names: yes. Voice data: no.

Until you mentioned it, I had no thoughts as to what might happen to 
the integrity of the data if you try to transmit user presets with 
the ROMs removed. 
**highest ups from (ex)- EMU claim it is AOK as that info is stored in a prioritary place oin the MoBo. Indeed as I look at Preset Voice information on the Xl7 (1) - (which now has no ROMs) all data appears as thought the ROMs were there excpt of course the L1-2-3-4 data which now also reads "??? not installed" etc

I'd be interested in doing a comparison, though. If 
you want, send me (a) one (or more) user bank(s)--in sysex file 
format from the unit 1 without the ROMs and (b) the same user bank(s) 
from unit 1 with the ROMs back in there.

**I will do it! Thanks. The ROMs are headed right back to machine one so I can audio-reocrd everythink before trying this again)

Are you saying e-loader doesn't transfer patterns? (I assume you are 
saving them to computer first and then either switching the XL-7s or 
the midi setup--if you have them connected on two port.)

**I am actually primitive - moving MIDI chords. E-loader tries for about 10 secomds and then fives failed messgae. Ironically one see MIDI data flowing out toward XL7 (2) but onw does not see MIDI data coming into XL7 (2) - this is odd because otherwise MIDI IN Xl7 (2) seems to work...

Is the sysex ID the same on both XL-7s?
**affirmative yes thank again Steve for your time and input

Thanks Steve!
Ed

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "gongworks" <gongworks@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings Experts!
> 
> I have (2) XL7's here, trying to get all USER preset and patterns 
from 
> 1 (1) to another (2). I have transferred the (4) ROMS from (1) to 
(2) 
> and they are all in the same positions. When I do a "Send Bank x 
USER 
> PRESETS command (1) ro (2), the process seems normal but when it is 
> completed, on (2) I have the names of each preset, but none of the 
L1-2-
> 3-4 ROM pointers = each Level reads "???? (not installed" message.
> 
> I can program presets on (2) and that works fine.
> 
> Have Tried E-loader, it triesbut fails.
> 
> Trying to save a bunch o work, so
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Ed
>

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Re: Question for Aaron

2007-07-02 by steve_the_composer

Curiosity got to me on this issue, so I ran a test with my XL-2500 
[P2500 w XLEAD ROM + AOrch]. Here are the steps I took:

1. With ROMs installed, dumped User banks 0 --> 3 to SONAR.
2. Took ROMS out. {Yes, I turned power off first.]
3. Dumped User banks to SONAR.
4. Saved all sysex dumps (206,720 bytes each) as syx files.
5. Did byte-by-byte comparison of files dumped with and without ROMs 
installed. 

Results: no differences found.

Note: All user presets used XLEAD ROM Instruments. 

Hope this helps.

--Steve 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito wrote:

[SNIP]

  You could hook it up to a sequencer or sysex viewing program to 
see if it has the ROM IDs in the dump without the actual ROMs to 
ensure that the sent data is right.
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> 
> Other than that, I don't see why it wouldn't work...
> 
> -Aaron

Re: [xl7] Re: Question for Aaron

2007-07-06 by ed mann

Thanks Steve, to confirm: are you saying your get the same results either way?

steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:          Curiosity got to me on this issue, so I ran a test with my XL-2500 
[P2500 w XLEAD ROM + AOrch]. Here are the steps I took:

1. With ROMs installed, dumped User banks 0 --> 3 to SONAR.
2. Took ROMS out. {Yes, I turned power off first.]
3. Dumped User banks to SONAR.
4. Saved all sysex dumps (206,720 bytes each) as syx files.
5. Did byte-by-byte comparison of files dumped with and without ROMs 
installed. 

Results: no differences found.

Note: All user presets used XLEAD ROM Instruments. 

Hope this helps.

--Steve 

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito wrote:

[SNIP]

You could hook it up to a sequencer or sysex viewing program to 
see if it has the ROM IDs in the dump without the actual ROMs to 
ensure that the sent data is right.
> 
> Other than that, I don't see why it wouldn't work...
> 
> -Aaron



         


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Re: Question for Aaron

2007-07-07 by steve_the_composer

Hi, Ed.  Yes--I found no differences between the two sysex dumps. You 
may get different results, though, if there are other factors 
affecting the integreity of the dumps.

If you have a PC and can store the two sysex dumps, you can do a 
quick byte-by byte comparison with a basic MS-DOS command: fc <file1> 
<file2> /b. (Fortunately, its still in Windows XP). The command line 
program compares files. The /b switch makes it a binary [byte-by-
byte] comparison.

If there are no difference, you will get a message that no 
differences were found. If there are differences, they are listed as 
hexidecimal numbers (offset from start of file, file1 byte, file2 
byte).

00000040 17 00
000001A3 3F 2A

Hope this helps.

--Steve

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, ed mann <gongworks@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Steve, to confirm: are you saying your get the same results 
either way?
> 
> steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:          Curiosity got to 
me on this issue, so I ran a test with my XL-2500 
> [P2500 w XLEAD ROM + AOrch]. Here are the steps I took:
> 
> 1. With ROMs installed, dumped User banks 0 --> 3 to SONAR.
> 2. Took ROMS out. {Yes, I turned power off first.]
> 3. Dumped User banks to SONAR.
> 4. Saved all sysex dumps (206,720 bytes each) as syx files.
> 5. Did byte-by-byte comparison of files dumped with and without 
ROMs 
> installed.

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.