Wiardgroup

One must remember the mantra of those two (Doepfer and to a 
certain extent, Analogue Systems although there are instances 
when AS doesn't).  They make for the large part single channel 
modules that do one thing and one thing only.  Doepfer has 
some duals (but of explicite single function operations), and AS 
has a combined noise/random, trigger modifier module.

By doing this,  they make modules that are affordable.  This puts 
their boxes in the hands of more people, which is good for the 
art.  They have their place in the food chain.

That being said however, some of the offerings from both a a 
little lack-luster, or better put, the one thing they are assigned to 
do is lame. The Doepfer Signal Processor is a joke as far as it's 
depth of effect.  I would have never of released this. The 
Analogue Systems Comb filter also is a bit wack, but they are 
saved in my book by making EXCELLENT oscillators and filters.

But getting back to the lack of a trigger in their joysticks, I don't 
think there is any place on the Deopfer or AS boxes (outside of 
their keyboards) where you can generate a manual trigger. 

IMHO,

P

--- In wiardgroup@y..., davevosh@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/25/2002 8:38:23 AM Eastern Daylight 
Time, 
> cw.chris@z... writes:
> 
> 
> > I think calling the lack of trigger button a 'major' shortcoming 
is a bit
> > strong.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> chris,
> okay, point taken - perhaps i should have qualified the 
statement by adding 
> "IMHO". i really do think that the versatility of the module from 
both 
> doepfer and an. sys. was compromised by the lack of a bucks 
worth of parts 

> though. again, this is IMHO.
> or, maybe i was too influenced by the vcs3 as a youngster ?  :^)
> best,
> dave

--- In wiardgroup@y..., "petergrenader" <pgrenader@m...> wrote:
The 
> Analogue Systems Comb filter also is a bit wack, 

Each to his own I suppose. The AS Comb Filter is one of my *most* used 
modules and as useful as anything I've got by Serge or ModCan. 
Do you think it doesn't do what a comb filter should?
I'm not sure, I've never owned one before. The AS module can be hard to 
control but I've used it alot to add a bit of weirdness or colour to a 
synth part or for drum loop processing. 
I agree on the point that Doepfer and AS provide decent modules at a 
lower price point. I myself found the Doepfer modules to be solid and 
reliable although I bought my system (now sold) in the first run, maybe 
standards have slipped.
There has been quite a bit of slamming on the quality of these cheaper 
systems of late and I don't think the price point has been taken into 
account.
I've never used button triggers before even though I've got a few on 
various systems and I'm no keyboard player either.
Hey but why not request one.
CW

> Analogue Systems Comb filter also is a bit wack, but they are 
> saved in my book by making EXCELLENT oscillators and filters.

I prefer the AS-VCO and Filters over the Doepfer-Modules, but the 
Wiard and Technosaurus VCO's are in terms of Sound (roundness, 
fullness) (IMHO of course) much better. In terms of flexibility my 
Wiard-VCO's beats all the others including the Selector. One thing is 
interesting: My little A110 Doepfer-VCO's makes some very nice, fat 
and dirty sounds when you modulate them a tiny little bit with noise 
(in my case: doepfer pink/red noise). Too bad that I never tried that 
with the AS-VCO's, but I sold them. But I still work with a AS 
Multimode-Filter and the AS-Bode in my Doepfer Frame. I like the AS 
Multimode as it is very flexible, but in almost every case I prefer 
to use one of the Wiard Filters. But I guess some might like that 
kind of dirtyness of the AS-Filters resonance. 

Olivier 
  


> 
> But getting back to the lack of a trigger in their joysticks, I 
don't 
> think there is any place on the Deopfer or AS boxes (outside of 
> their keyboards) where you can generate a manual trigger. 
> 
> IMHO,
> 
> P
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@y..., davevosh@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 5/25/2002 8:38:23 AM Eastern Daylight 
> Time, 
> > cw.chris@z... writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > I think calling the lack of trigger button a 'major' 
shortcoming 

> is a bit
> > > strong.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > chris,
> > okay, point taken - perhaps i should have qualified the 
> statement by adding 
> > "IMHO". i really do think that the versatility of the module from 
> both 
> > doepfer and an. sys. was compromised by the lack of a bucks 
> worth of parts 
> > though. again, this is IMHO.
> > or, maybe i was too influenced by the vcs3 as a youngster ?  :^)
> > best,
> > dave