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Re: [motm] Re: Wiard Mini-Wave info?

Re: [motm] Re: Wiard Mini-Wave info?

2000-11-07 by John E Blacet

"well, he should at least return emails then, dont ya think ?
Jim"

Don't bug Grant about this anymore (he is really out of the topic for
whatever reason). Bug me instead!

Actually, make sure we have your e-mail address on the notification list
below if you are interested in the Mini-Wave. You get first notice this
way... Note that this is self service and you can remove or add your
e-mail address at will with no help from me! The typically once a month
mailing is usually titled "Blacet News".

Regards.
-------------------------
John Blacet
Blacet Research Music Electronics
http://www.blacet.com
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RE: [motm] Wiard Mini-Wave info?

2000-11-07 by thomas white

Hi again Ken,

I tell you what...

The Wiard site changed almost daily during their release of these modules 
and now there is no evidence they ever existed! from day to day there would 
be new information and 2-day old stuff gone! I'm lucky I downloaded the 
manual while it was there for a week right? Whew.

The original series of stuff wiard was marketing to the Frac-Rak crowd were 
the joystick module, Wiard Mini-Wave and the Jiyrider filter which is two 
Sallen Key MS-20 sections in series or parallel both controlled by a panel 
mounted joystick (Frequency) with one peak (Resonance) control for the both 
together. This filter is cool too, but easily replaced by 2 MOTM-420 VCF's 
and a DIY joystick module! Wiard only released 10 of each module as a test 
market and it failed financially, I assume by the bermuda triangle effect 
with the modules and info. Enough from me, I'm tired...

Thomas White


>From: "Tkacs, Ken" <ken.tkacs@...>
>Reply-To: motm@egroups.com
>To: "'motm@egroups.com'" <motm@egroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [motm] Wiard Mini-Wave?
>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:57:29 -0500
>
>
>Oh, okay. I saw Blacet mention it, but almost as if we should all know what
>it is, and there was nothing about it anywhere on the Wiard sit.
>
>Thanks!
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>From: 	thomas white [mailto:djthomaswhite@...]
>Sent:	Tuesday, 07 November, 2000 11:49 AM
>To:	motm@egroups.com
>Subject:	RE: [motm] Wiard Mini-Wave?
>
>Hi Ken,
>
>This is in reference to either the Waldorf Miniwave? or the short-lived
>Wiard Mini wave "Wavetable" module that was offered only to 10 people in
>it's limited run. It has an eprom with 256 waveforms and can be used like
>the 120 sub-octave by feeding it a saw wave from a VCO. More info should be
>out on this in the future as John Blacet is trying to seal a deal with 
>Wiard
>
>to put this thing out so more people can get one. I am one of the lucky ten
>and would highly recommend it!
>
>Thomas White
>
>PS. Any words or news Mr John Blacet? Just curious
>
>
> >From: "Tkacs, Ken" <ken.tkacs@...>
> >Reply-To: motm@egroups.com
> >To: "'motm@egroups.com'" <motm@egroups.com>
> >Subject: RE: [motm] Mini-Wave
> >Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:29:14 -0500
> >
> >
> >So this Mini-Wave is something like the Casio Phase-Distortion
> >oscillators...?
> >
> >Everyone's talking about the Mini-Wave but I haven't been able to find 
>any
> >info on it.
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >From: 	ixqy@... [mailto:ixqy@...]
> >Sent:	Monday, 06 November, 2000 9:52 PM
> >To:	motm@egroups.com
> >Subject:	Re: [motm] Mini-Wave
> >
> >...
> >
> >  The MiniWave is more of a Waveform processor. If you use a sawtooth 
>input
> >to
> >scan the onboard wavetables.....
> >
> >
>
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RE: Wiard Mini-Wave info?

2000-11-07 by Doug Pearson

Just to clarify a few things ...

The Wiard Mini-Wave and Joyrider modules both used the circuit boards from
modules in the "regular" Wiard series - Waveform City and Borg Filter,
respectively, both of which are still available.  The boards on the "mini"
modules, however, are not fully populated - the Mini-Wave lacks the analog
oscillator, EG & VCA from Waveform City and the Joyrider doesn't have the
two VCO's from the Borg Filter module.  However, both "mini" modules DID
have neat features that weren't implemented in the corresponding "regular"
modules - the Mini-Wave has a CV input to sweep through the banks (the
Waveform City only has a CV input to sweep through the waves in one bank,
but not a CV input to sweep through *all* the banks in the wavetable), and
the Joyrider has a push-pull switch to change the filter configuration
between serial and parallel (obviously, this could be done with patchcords
on the Borg module, but would require additional hardware for the
instantaneous switching).

In general, the "regular" modules have vastly superior panel
graphics/screening (especially the newer Borg Filter), as long as the
bright blue and crypto-celtic designs don't bug you (I'm only worrying
about whether they'll clash with the Andromeda when I get one).  They also
tend to have more patchpoints/connections/controls (with the exceptions I
mentioned above) - for instance the Joyrider has a single Q knob that sets
resonance to the same level for both filters, while the Borg has a separate
Q knob for each filter.

And finally, although the Borg Filter is modeled partly on the MS-20
filter, the MOTM-420 is NOT an exact substitute (or vice versa).  The Borg
uses Vactrols (despite the acronym, it's more 3/4-Buchla, 1/4-Korg, than
vice-versa), which give it a bit of a woody/natural sound that's pretty
unique for all the filters I've tried (it can still get pretty harsh, but
not quite as screamingly so as a -420 or original MS-20).  And despite the
common use of Vactrols, it doesn't sound like the MOTM-410, either (duh!
it's not triple bandpass).  All 3 definitely have their own unique
characteristics (as do the MOTM-440, "regular" Wiard multimode filter,
Blacet Final Filtre, etc. - I love 'em all!).

Anyway, I hope that John is able to make these available to the public
again (especially since I missed out on the Mini-Wave!).  I know that Grant
(mr. Wiard) is prototyping 50-kazillion different concepts these days (so
we're pretty lucky that he took the time out to make small runs of the
1200-series "mini" modules), and the next addition to his regular module
series sounds pretty exciting, if not necessarily conducive to a "live"
synth rig ...

	-Doug
	 ceres@...
	 ceres[at]sirius.com

P.S. Try these links, even though they're no longer "real":
http://www.wiard.com/Grants%201200/MiniWave/MiniManual.html
http://www.wiard.com/Grants%201200/JoyRider/Joy%20Rider%20Manual.html
http://www.wiard.com/Grants%201200/Joystick/1209.htm

Re: Wiard Mini-Wave info?

2000-11-07 by Dave Bradley

--- In motm@egroups.com, "thomas white" <djthomaswhite@h...> wrote:
> Wiard only released 10 of each module as a test 
> market and it failed financially, I assume by the bermuda triangle 
effect 
> with the modules and info. Enough from me, I'm tired...
>

Actually, I'm not sure that this is true. Grant Richter (Mr. Wiard to 
you and I) lost 2 employees at the very time that his Frac initiative 
was getting off the ground, leaving basically just him. It's my guess 
that his modular business had slowed down after some initial success, 
and he just had to scale back and pull in his horns before taking any 
more risk. My opinion is that the new stuff he was coming out with 
would have done very well, given time.

Seems like a natural fit for Blacet, I think we'll see something soon.

Moe

Re: [motm] Re: Wiard Mini-Wave info?

2000-11-07 by weld@buffalo.com

well, he should at least return emails then, dont ya think ?
Jim

Dave Bradley wrote:
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> --- In motm@egroups.com, "thomas white" <djthomaswhite@h...> wrote:
> > Wiard only released 10 of each module as a test
> > market and it failed financially, I assume by the bermuda triangle
> effect
> > with the modules and info. Enough from me, I'm tired...
> >
>
> Actually, I'm not sure that this is true. Grant Richter (Mr. Wiard to
> you and I) lost 2 employees at the very time that his Frac initiative
> was getting off the ground, leaving basically just him. It's my guess
> that his modular business had slowed down after some initial success,
> and he just had to scale back and pull in his horns before taking any
> more risk. My opinion is that the new stuff he was coming out with
> would have done very well, given time.
>
> Seems like a natural fit for Blacet, I think we'll see something soon.
>
> Moe
>

Re: [motm] Re: Wiard Mini-Wave info?

2000-11-07 by thomas white

Actually, the word from Grant was that the profit margin on these new 
modules was not as great as he would have liked to keep them marketable and 
profitable for the time required so he stopped to try and concentrate 
selling more of his fully featured modulars. I also agree that he would of 
had success if he had waited the storm out.

Thomas White

PS. Should be interesting to see the Blacet version right? How do you think 
he will work the Bank display?



>From: "Dave Bradley" <daveb@...>
>Reply-To: motm@egroups.com
>To: motm@egroups.com
>Subject: [motm] Re: Wiard Mini-Wave info?
>Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:40:12 -0000
>
>--- In motm@egroups.com, "thomas white" <djthomaswhite@h...> wrote:
> > Wiard only released 10 of each module as a test
> > market and it failed financially, I assume by the bermuda triangle
>effect
> > with the modules and info. Enough from me, I'm tired...
> >
>
>Actually, I'm not sure that this is true. Grant Richter (Mr. Wiard to
>you and I) lost 2 employees at the very time that his Frac initiative
>was getting off the ground, leaving basically just him. It's my guess
>that his modular business had slowed down after some initial success,
>and he just had to scale back and pull in his horns before taking any
>more risk. My opinion is that the new stuff he was coming out with
>would have done very well, given time.
>
>Seems like a natural fit for Blacet, I think we'll see something soon.
>
>Moe
>
>

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Re: [motm] Re: Wiard Mini-Wave info?

2000-11-07 by J. Larry Hendry

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John E Blacet <blacet@...>
> Bug me instead!
----
Now that is inviting a full e-mail box.  :)
----
> Actually, make sure we have your e-mail address on the
> notification list below if you are interested in the Mini-Wave.
------
Cool John.  I am on the list and take this note as affirmation that you have
something in the works.  MOTM'ers might possibly benefit from a panel-less
version similar to what you just announced on the Time Machine.  Word has it
that Moe Bradley is up for it assuming the current order doesn't kill him
(and me).

Larry Hendry

Re: Wiard Mini-Wave info?

2000-11-07 by Dave Bradley

Can't argue with you there<g>!

--- In motm@egroups.com, weld@b... wrote:
> well, he should at least return emails then, dont ya think ?
> Jim
> 
> Dave Bradley wrote:
> 
> > --- In motm@egroups.com, "thomas white" <djthomaswhite@h...> 
wrote:
> > > Wiard only released 10 of each module as a test
> > > market and it failed financially, I assume by the bermuda 
triangle
> > effect
> > > with the modules and info. Enough from me, I'm tired...
> > >
> >
> > Actually, I'm not sure that this is true. Grant Richter (Mr. 
Wiard to
> > you and I) lost 2 employees at the very time that his Frac 
initiative
> > was getting off the ground, leaving basically just him. It's my 
guess
> > that his modular business had slowed down after some initial 
success,
> > and he just had to scale back and pull in his horns before taking 
any
> > more risk. My opinion is that the new stuff he was coming out with
> > would have done very well, given time.
> >
> > Seems like a natural fit for Blacet, I think we'll see something 
soon.
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> >
> > Moe
> >

Re: Wiard Mini-Wave info?

2000-11-07 by Dave Bradley

--- In motm@egroups.com, "thomas white" <djthomaswhite@h...> wrote:
> PS. Should be interesting to see the Blacet version right? How do 
> you think he will work the Bank display?

Heh heh! I've tried to pump John on that already, and he told me to 
hold my horses.

Moe

Re: [motm] Re: Wiard Mini-Wave info?

2000-11-08 by jwbarlow@aol.com

Consider yourself bugged John <g>.

This is as close to an official announcement on this as I've seen from you, I 
look forward to seeing these available!

JB

In a message dated 11/7/2000 1:08:54 PM, blacet@... writes:
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>Don't bug Grant about this anymore (he is really out of the topic for
>whatever reason). Bug me instead!
>
>Actually, make sure we have your e-mail address on the notification list
>below if you are interested in the Mini-Wave. You get first notice this
>way... Note that this is self service and you can remove or add your
>e-mail address at will with no help from me! The typically once a month
>mailing is usually titled "Blacet News".
>

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