MOTM

I'm keeping all these emails for pondering later. Note that there are 4-6
modules
I want to get out first. And, one of these decades I'd like to start on the
sequencer.

Paul S.
soldering DAVEVOSH's '410 module

Hi Paul n All !

One feature i have not seen discussed here is an extra output of 
(D)A(P)DSR that is biased around the sustain level which sits at 0V . 
 Korg MS20-MS50 have this feature .  Very useful .

Cheers .


Keep 'em oscillating :)


Hugo
=

huh????

Me no understand..

Moe

> From: "Hugo Haesaert" <hugo.haesaert@...>
> 
> Hi Paul n All !
> 
> One feature i have not seen discussed here is an extra output of 
> (D)A(P)DSR that is biased around the sustain level which sits at 0V . 
>  Korg MS20-MS50 have this feature .  Very useful .
> 
> Cheers .
> 
> 
> Keep 'em oscillating :)
> 
> 
> Hugo

I'm confused, too, and I own both an MS-20 & MS-50.  So I'll use it as an
excuse to say I really like the fact that each of the four EG's on those
machines as some sort of nice extra feature (as if we haven't talked about
enough potential EG features already!).

MS-20:
EG1 DAR with +/- outputs
EG2 HADSR with +/- outputs

MS-50:
EG1 ADSR with dual +/single - outputs
EG2 HDAR with +/- outputs and delayed (by D) gate output

I've found that I don't use the Hold feature very much, but the initial
Delay (both envelope, as on the MS-20 EG2, or gate, as on the MS-50 EG2) is
a very useful feature.

Also, I now see that it would make sense for an EG to have both an
end-of-envelope output AND a cycle switch so that a mixer isn't required
(although I would think a cheap 1/4" splitter adaptor would work for this
application) for initial triggering or a retriggerable LFO.

	-Doug
	 ceres@...

At 12:10 PM 02/03/2000 -0600, Dave Bradley" <daveb@...> wrote:

>huh????
>
>Me no understand..
>
>Moe
>
>
>> From: "Hugo Haesaert" <hugo.haesaert@...>
>> 
>> Hi Paul n All !
>> 
>> One feature i have not seen discussed here is an extra output of 
>> (D)A(P)DSR that is biased around the sustain level which sits at 0V . 
>>  Korg MS20-MS50 have this feature .  Very useful .
>> 
>> Cheers .
>> 
>> Hugo

In a message dated 00-02-03 00:58:04 EST, you write:

<< 
 Paul S.
 soldering DAVEVOSH's '410 module
  >>


paul,
cool! i`ll be watching for it to arrive shortly! 
i think that the triple resonator will be a strong addition to my modular and 
a good introduction to motm for me. time to start thinking about what might 
be second and saving up in between getting "native" modules to plug into my 
system ( on that front i`m working on filling my second 6u frame with 
assorted control voltage modules ). my ultimate end product, hopefully before 
the reaper claims me, will be a mongrel system offering what i see as most 
interesting or unique from the many manufacturers of modular equipment. a 
labor of love, a labor of years as i`m sure most everyone here knows..........
best,
dave

Huh All ? :)

I may be wrong about the MS20 (packed away in the attic), but my MS50 
sits beside me as i'm typing this :

EG1 has dual + outs as you say, but look closely :  the one on the 
left has a dash and zero volts at the bottom of the graphic (-0V) .  

The other one (right) has this dash and zero volts at the sustain 
level, this means the envelope starts somewhere negative of 0V, then 
peaks positive of 0V and then decays to 0V which is the sustain level 
of the env, at gate off, the release kicks in and the output goes 
negative again .

The negative env out is an inversion of this second out, not of the 
one that starts at 0V, which would put the whole envelope below zero .

EG2's first out, on the left is a full positive env .  The one you 
call negative (right), starts way neg, then ramps up to zero and then 
decays to negative again .  Not an inversion here, but merely a shift 
to negative .

The above may be a bit terse, but after your reactions i was 
wondering if my brain was going soft .  But rejoice, it's not :)

EG1
       /\
      /  \
     /    `-----.       -  -  -  -0V  <- This is where the 2nd out has
    /            \                       it's zero volt point .
  -\ufffd              `-  -0V <- 1st out       

My first attempt at ascimatic, hope it comes out ok, use a fixed 
pitch font, pls .

Hope this has cleared up some "huh"'s ;-)

Cheers .


Keep 'em oscillating :)


Hugo
=

Drag out that MS-20.  They are drawing $1000 + on E-bay.
I think mine might be headed that way.
Larry H

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> From: Hugo Haesaert <hugo.haesaert@...>
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: RE: [motm] EG-mania
> Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 11:40 AM
> 
> From: "Hugo Haesaert" <hugo.haesaert@...>
> 
> Huh All ? :)
> 
> I may be wrong about the MS20 (packed away in the attic), but my MS50 
> sits beside me as i'm typing this :
> 
> EG1 has dual + outs as you say, but look closely :  the one on the 
> left has a dash and zero volts at the bottom of the graphic (-0V) .  
> 
> The other one (right) has this dash and zero volts at the sustain 
> level, this means the envelope starts somewhere negative of 0V, then 
> peaks positive of 0V and then decays to 0V which is the sustain level 
> of the env, at gate off, the release kicks in and the output goes 
> negative again .
> 
> The negative env out is an inversion of this second out, not of the 
> one that starts at 0V, which would put the whole envelope below zero .
> 
> EG2's first out, on the left is a full positive env .  The one you 
> call negative (right), starts way neg, then ramps up to zero and then 
> decays to negative again .  Not an inversion here, but merely a shift 
> to negative .
> 
> The above may be a bit terse, but after your reactions i was 
> wondering if my brain was going soft .  But rejoice, it's not :)
> 
> EG1
>        /\
>       /  \
>      /    `-----.       -  -  -  -0V  <- This is where the 2nd out has
>     /            \                       it's zero volt point .
>   -\ufffd              `-  -0V <- 1st out       
> 
> My first attempt at ascimatic, hope it comes out ok, use a fixed 
> pitch font, pls .
> 
> Hope this has cleared up some "huh"'s ;-)
> 
> Cheers .
> 
> 
> Keep 'em oscillating :)
> 
> 
> Hugo
> =
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