MOTM

Hi everyone,

With the BIG SALE coming up, I've been thinking about filter 
selection.  I've already got a 420 and a 490, and am going for the 
MOTM-440, but due to current budget, can only get one other filter at 
this time.  I've been going back and forth between the 410 and the 
480.   I do really like the vocal formant sounds that you can get from 
the 410, but the 480, along with the mods at www.pugix.com also look 
really cool.  I'd like to get some opinions to help me choose between 
the two.

Thanks!

Phil

FWIW: I have all of the filters that you list. I really like both the 410
and the 480, and it would be hard to choose one over the other. The 410 is
unique among the MOTM filters because of its triple-BP topology; the 480 is
possibly more useful in a general-purpose sense. Given your other choices
the 410 would probably provide more variety than the 480. I like the 410 so
much that I got a second one (for stereo!), but will also be adding a second
480 to my system during the BIG SALE.
 
--Adam



  _____  

From: Phil Peery [mailto:ppeery@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:53 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] filter selection....



Hi everyone,

With the BIG SALE coming up, I've been thinking about filter 
selection. I've already got a 420 and a 490, and am going for the 
MOTM-440, but due to current budget, can only get one other filter at 
this time. I've been going back and forth between the 410 and the 
480. I do really like the vocal formant sounds that you can get from 
the 410, but the 480, along with the mods at www.pugix.com also look 
really cool. I'd like to get some opinions to help me choose between 
the two.

Thanks!

Phil

yeah given that phil already has plenty of LP and HP action going on, 
maybe the 410 is the best option. it has some very nice smooth and 
(importantly) narrow filters.

but the pugix-enhanced 480 is a double multimode monster!

>FWIW: I have all of the filters that you list. I really like both 
>the 410 and the 480, and it would be hard to choose one over the 
>other. The 410 is unique among the MOTM filters because of its 
>triple-BP topology; the 480 is possibly more useful in a 
>general-purpose sense. Given your other choices the 410 would 
>probably provide more variety than the 480. I like the 410 so much 
>that I got a second one (for stereo!), but will also be adding a 
>second 480 to my system during the BIG SALE.
>
>--Adam

Good choice on the 440!  I'm going to get a second one of those myself.

Comparing the 410 and the 480 is apples to oranges in my view.  The 410 
is more like a phase shifter, a stomp-box-like effect, with built-in 
LFOs.  It's really nice, but quite different from the 480, which is a 
cascaded state-variable filter.  They have different uses.  Listening to 
the sound samples is a good way to decide.

http://www.synthtech.com/motm410.html
http://www.synthtech.com/motm480.html

Also, be advised that to convert the 480 to a dual unit the way I did, a 
goodly amount of DIY experience is recommended.  (If anyone does this, 
do let me know!)

http://www.pugix.com/motm-480.htm

Richard Brewster
http://www.pugix.com

Adam Schabtach wrote:

> FWIW: I have all of the filters that you list. I really like both the 
> 410 and the 480, and it would be hard to choose one over the other. 
> The 410 is unique among the MOTM filters because of its triple-BP 
> topology; the 480 is possibly more useful in a general-purpose sense. 
> Given your other choices the 410 would probably provide more variety 
> than the 480. I like the 410 so much that I got a second one (for 
> stereo!), but will also be adding a second 480 to my system during the 
> BIG SALE.
>  
> --Adam
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Phil Peery [mailto:ppeery@...]
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:53 PM
>     *To:* motm@yahoogroups.com
>     *Subject:* [motm] filter selection....
>
>     Hi everyone,
>
>     With the BIG SALE coming up, I've been thinking about filter
>     selection. I've already got a 420 and a 490, and am going for the
>     MOTM-440, but due to current budget, can only get one other filter at
>     this time. I've been going back and forth between the 410 and the
>     480. I do really like the vocal formant sounds that you can get from
>     the 410, but the 480, along with the mods at www.pugix.com also look
>     really cool. I'd like to get some opinions to help me choose between
>     the two.
>
>     Thanks!
>
>     Phil
>
>

What Adam said, except that I do stereo all the time with one 410: Out
1 panned to the left, 2 center, and 3 to the right.  Do what you want
with Mix out (I geberally ping-pong it).  This is a GREAT way to get a
beautiful spread from a single patch, particularly with the mode
switch in the DUAL position...I *love* the 480, but if I had to
choose, it would be the 410 by a hair.

Mike

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach" <adam@...> wrote:
>
> FWIW: I have all of the filters that you list. I really like both
the 410
> and the 480, and it would be hard to choose one over the other. The
410 is
> unique among the MOTM filters because of its triple-BP topology; the
480 is
> possibly more useful in a general-purpose sense. Given your other
choices
> the 410 would probably provide more variety than the 480. I like the
410 so
> much that I got a second one (for stereo!), but will also be adding
a second

> 480 to my system during the BIG SALE.
>  
> --Adam

uh, I meant *generally*...

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Marsh" <michaelmarsh@...> wrote:

>
> What Adam said, except that I do stereo all the time with one 410: Out
> 1 panned to the left, 2 center, and 3 to the right.  Do what you want
> with Mix out (I geberally ping-pong it).  This is a GREAT way to get a
> beautiful spread from a single patch, particularly with the mode
> switch in the DUAL position...I *love* the 480, but if I had to
> choose, it would be the 410 by a hair.
> 
> Mike
> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach" <adam@> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW: I have all of the filters that you list. I really like both
> the 410
> > and the 480, and it would be hard to choose one over the other. The
> 410 is
> > unique among the MOTM filters because of its triple-BP topology; the
> 480 is
> > possibly more useful in a general-purpose sense. Given your other
> choices
> > the 410 would probably provide more variety than the 480. I like the
> 410 so
> > much that I got a second one (for stereo!), but will also be adding
> a second
> > 480 to my system during the BIG SALE.
> >  
> > --Adam
>

Adam's right.  I've got two 410's - one with the wonderful Oakley OMS-
410 expansion module - and I couldn't get along without them!  One is 
enough for a great stereo sound, but two allow you to go nuts with 
the CV inputs for depth and rate and create a very animated sound 
field.

Now to be fair, I don't own a '480 - yet!  When the date arrives for 
the big sale, however, don't stand in between me and that filter!  If 
it says "Synthesis Technology" on the front panel, it is a necessary 
module.

Chub - Mister Two of Everything, Please. 

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach" <adam@...> wrote:
>
> FWIW: I have all of the filters that you list. I really like both 
the 410
> and the 480, and it would be hard to choose one over the other. The 
410 is
> unique among the MOTM filters because of its triple-BP topology; 
the 480 is
> possibly more useful in a general-purpose sense. Given your other 
choices
> the 410 would probably provide more variety than the 480. I like 
the 410 so
> much that I got a second one (for stereo!), but will also be adding 
a second
> 480 to my system during the BIG SALE.
>  
> --Adam
> 
> 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Phil Peery [mailto:ppeery@...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:53 PM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] filter selection....
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> With the BIG SALE coming up, I've been thinking about filter 
> selection. I've already got a 420 and a 490, and am going for the 
> MOTM-440, but due to current budget, can only get one other filter 
at 
> this time. I've been going back and forth between the 410 and the 
> 480. I do really like the vocal formant sounds that you can get 
from 
> the 410, but the 480, along with the mods at www.pugix.com also 
look 
> really cool. I'd like to get some opinions to help me choose 
between 

> the two.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Phil
>

On Thursday 06 July 2006 15:01, Charles Osthelder wrote:

> Chub - Mister Two of Everything, Please.

And the wife agrees? Both of them? ;)

- Robert

I dont have the 480 but I absolutley love the 410, it
is my favorite filter, I will probably buy a second
john

--- Charles Osthelder <charlesosthelder@...>
wrote:

> Adam's right.  I've got two 410's - one with the
> wonderful Oakley OMS-
> 410 expansion module - and I couldn't get along
> without them!  One is 
> enough for a great stereo sound, but two allow you
> to go nuts with 
> the CV inputs for depth and rate and create a very
> animated sound 
> field.
> 
> Now to be fair, I don't own a '480 - yet!  When the
> date arrives for 
> the big sale, however, don't stand in between me and
> that filter!  If 
> it says "Synthesis Technology" on the front panel,
> it is a necessary 
> module.
> 
> Chub - Mister Two of Everything, Please. 
> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach"
> <adam@...> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW: I have all of the filters that you list. I
> really like both 
> the 410
> > and the 480, and it would be hard to choose one
> over the other. The 
> 410 is
> > unique among the MOTM filters because of its
> triple-BP topology; 
> the 480 is
> > possibly more useful in a general-purpose sense.
> Given your other 
> choices
> > the 410 would probably provide more variety than
> the 480. I like 
> the 410 so
> > much that I got a second one (for stereo!), but
> will also be adding 
> a second
> > 480 to my system during the BIG SALE.
> >  
> > --Adam
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   _____  
> > 
> > From: Phil Peery [mailto:ppeery@...] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:53 PM
> > To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [motm] filter selection....
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > With the BIG SALE coming up, I've been thinking
> about filter 
> > selection. I've already got a 420 and a 490, and
> am going for the 
> > MOTM-440, but due to current budget, can only get
> one other filter 
> at 
> > this time. I've been going back and forth between
> the 410 and the 
> > 480. I do really like the vocal formant sounds
> that you can get 
> from 
> > the 410, but the 480, along with the mods at
> www.pugix.com also 
> look 
> > really cool. I'd like to get some opinions to help
> me choose 
> between 
> > the two.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Phil
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Chub: you neeeeeeed a 480, no doubt about it. Mine is actually challenging
my 440s as my most-favorite filter. It sounds gorgeous, but I miss the
additional FM inputs that the 440 and other filters have. When I get my
second kit, I'm going to take a long look at Richard's modifications and
consider what customizatons I want to do with the thing. 
 
So yeah, two 410s, two 440s, two 480s... However, I have yet to hear
anything about the 485 that makes me want one. Are there any 485 owners out
there who would like to explain to me how it is that I'm missing the point
on this one? I'm debating whether it should go on my BIG SALE shopping list,
simply because it's an MOTM filter, but I've yet to hear either verbal
descriptions or sound samples that provoke my gotta-have-it impulse.
 
--Adam
 


  _____  

From: Charles Osthelder [mailto:charlesosthelder@...] 
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:01 AM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] Re: filter selection....



Adam's right. I've got two 410's - one with the wonderful Oakley OMS-
410 expansion module - and I couldn't get along without them! One is 
enough for a great stereo sound, but two allow you to go nuts with 
the CV inputs for depth and rate and create a very animated sound 
field.

Now to be fair, I don't own a '480 - yet! When the date arrives for 
the big sale, however, don't stand in between me and that filter! If 
it says "Synthesis Technology" on the front panel, it is a necessary 
module.

Chub - Mister Two of Everything, Please. 

--- In motm@yahoogroups. <mailto:motm%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Adam
Schabtach" <adam@...> wrote:
>
> FWIW: I have all of the filters that you list. I really like both 
the 410
> and the 480, and it would be hard to choose one over the other. The 
410 is
> unique among the MOTM filters because of its triple-BP topology; 
the 480 is
> possibly more useful in a general-purpose sense. Given your other 
choices
> the 410 would probably provide more variety than the 480. I like 
the 410 so
> much that I got a second one (for stereo!), but will also be adding 
a second
> 480 to my system during the BIG SALE.
> 
> --Adam
> 
> 
> 
> _____ 
> 
> From: Phil Peery [mailto:ppeery@...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:53 PM
> To: motm@yahoogroups. <mailto:motm%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Subject: [motm] filter selection....
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> With the BIG SALE coming up, I've been thinking about filter 
> selection. I've already got a 420 and a 490, and am going for the 
> MOTM-440, but due to current budget, can only get one other filter 
at 
> this time. I've been going back and forth between the 410 and the 
> 480. I do really like the vocal formant sounds that you can get 
from 
> the 410, but the 480, along with the mods at www.pugix.com also 
look 
> really cool. I'd like to get some opinions to help me choose 
between 

> the two.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Phil
>

The 485 is another must-have, IMO, particularly in pairs.  It does
such a beatiful job on brass-like timbres and they are worth the money
on that strength alone.  However, if ever a filter can get evil on
you, the 485 is it - drive it hard and crank the res and it will grind
you into submission.  Cool!

Mike

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach" <adam@...> wrote:
>
> Chub: you neeeeeeed a 480, no doubt about it. Mine is actually
challenging
> my 440s as my most-favorite filter. It sounds gorgeous, but I miss the
> additional FM inputs that the 440 and other filters have. When I get my
> second kit, I'm going to take a long look at Richard's modifications and
> consider what customizatons I want to do with the thing. 
>  
> So yeah, two 410s, two 440s, two 480s... However, I have yet to hear
> anything about the 485 that makes me want one. Are there any 485
owners out
> there who would like to explain to me how it is that I'm missing the
point
> on this one? I'm debating whether it should go on my BIG SALE
shopping list,

> simply because it's an MOTM filter, but I've yet to hear either verbal
> descriptions or sound samples that provoke my gotta-have-it impulse.
>  
> --Adam
>  
> 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Charles Osthelder [mailto:charlesosthelder@...] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:01 AM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] Re: filter selection....
> 
> 
> 
> Adam's right. I've got two 410's - one with the wonderful Oakley OMS-
> 410 expansion module - and I couldn't get along without them! One is 
> enough for a great stereo sound, but two allow you to go nuts with 
> the CV inputs for depth and rate and create a very animated sound 
> field.
> 
> Now to be fair, I don't own a '480 - yet! When the date arrives for 
> the big sale, however, don't stand in between me and that filter! If 
> it says "Synthesis Technology" on the front panel, it is a necessary 
> module.
> 
> Chub - Mister Two of Everything, Please. 
> 
> --- In motm@yahoogroups. <mailto:motm%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Adam
> Schabtach" <adam@> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW: I have all of the filters that you list. I really like both 
> the 410
> > and the 480, and it would be hard to choose one over the other. The 
> 410 is
> > unique among the MOTM filters because of its triple-BP topology; 
> the 480 is
> > possibly more useful in a general-purpose sense. Given your other 
> choices
> > the 410 would probably provide more variety than the 480. I like 
> the 410 so
> > much that I got a second one (for stereo!), but will also be adding 
> a second
> > 480 to my system during the BIG SALE.
> > 
> > --Adam
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _____ 
> > 
> > From: Phil Peery [mailto:ppeery@] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:53 PM
> > To: motm@yahoogroups. <mailto:motm%40yahoogroups.com> com
> > Subject: [motm] filter selection....
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi everyone,
> > 
> > With the BIG SALE coming up, I've been thinking about filter 
> > selection. I've already got a 420 and a 490, and am going for the 
> > MOTM-440, but due to current budget, can only get one other filter 
> at 
> > this time. I've been going back and forth between the 410 and the 
> > 480. I do really like the vocal formant sounds that you can get 
> from 
> > the 410, but the 480, along with the mods at www.pugix.com also 
> look 
> > really cool. I'd like to get some opinions to help me choose 
> between 
> > the two.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Phil
> >
>