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Due to the excessive length of the Blacet Time Machine (won't fit it my
SKB popup) and a few other factors I'm building a portable cabinet to
hold a keyboard, joystick, and one row of modules. In this case one row
is going to be 15 U. Of course you can never have all the modules you
want, even more so when you have to fit them into 15U. So I now need to
decide what modules I'm going to put into this case and which will be
relegated to the SKB as an expander. I've got a pretty good idea of
what essentials I want to house, but there are some issues I'd be happy
to hear opinions on. Here's the list of modules I'm pretty set on.

Encore UEG = 2 spaces
Blacet TM = 2 spaces
EG x3 = 3 spaces
uVCA = 1 space
QLFO = 1 space
1 300 VCO = 2 space
VCF of some sort = 1 or 2 spaces.

1 300 VCO + 2 310 uVCO or 2 300 VCO?
I like to do FM stuff which makes sine out of 2 oscillators desirable,
but an extra VCO is always nice.

Which VCF? I have a uVCF which is fine, but the 420 or 480 seem more
versatile.

In order to make room I could drop one EG, since the UEG can be used for
EG functions as well as step seq. That would allow 2x300, 1x310, and a
2 space VCF.

Opinions?

Dave

You want versatility? Can't go wrong with a 420 VCF then.

On 6-Jan-06, at 3:28 PM, David Moylan wrote:

>
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> Which VCF? I have a uVCF which is fine, but the 420 or 480 seem more
> versatile.
>

> Which VCF? I have a uVCF which is fine, but the 420 or 480 seem more
> versatile.

I like my 480 more than I like my 420. The 480 sounds better to my ears and
I rarely use the notch mode of the 420. I just wish the 480 had another FM
input.

> In order to make room I could drop one EG, since the UEG can be used for
> EG functions as well as step seq. That would allow 2x300, 1x310, and a
> 2 space VCF.

That's tempting. It would be nice to have more than one 300 VCO in the
system.

--Adam

FWIW, there is a 3U stooge panel in the works to expand access to the
MOTM-480s filters. It will provide individual CV inputs to each filter
as well as break out all the state variable outputs.

Moe

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach" <adam@s...> wrote:
> I like my 480 more than I like my 420. The 480 sounds better to my
> ears and
> I rarely use the notch mode of the 420. I just wish the 480 had
> another FM input.

Great. Where am I supposed to put that? Maybe I should just stretch my
cabinet to 28" to fit 16U. Problem solved.

Dave

mate_stubb wrote:

>FWIW, there is a 3U stooge panel in the works to expand access to the
>MOTM-480s filters. It will provide individual CV inputs to each filter
>as well as break out all the state variable outputs.
>
>Moe
>
>--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach" <adam@s...> wrote:
>
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>>I like my 480 more than I like my 420. The 480 sounds better to my
>>ears and
>>I rarely use the notch mode of the 420. I just wish the 480 had
>>another FM input.
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Heh. It is Stooge Industries' mission to increase your modular real
estate - it is your mission to figure out where to put it...

Moe

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, David Moylan <dave@w...> wrote:
>
> Great. Where am I supposed to put that? Maybe I should just stretch my
> cabinet to 28" to fit 16U. Problem solved.
>
> Dave
>
> mate_stubb wrote:
>
> >FWIW, there is a 3U stooge panel in the works to expand access to the
> >MOTM-480s filters. It will provide individual CV inputs to each filter
> >as well as break out all the state variable outputs.
> >

And! When I finally get that wonderful Stooge panel and build mine, I
will put a complete description of the whole MOTM-480 conversion project
on my website. It will include a parts list, schematic for the
additional buffers on the MUUB-4 board, and details on how to wire it
all up. Be forewarned that this project will be easier to do if you
have not already assembled your 480. But if you're handy, it will still
be doable as a conversion. You will have a little unsoldering work.

-Richard Brewster

http://www.pugix.com

mate_stubb wrote:

>FWIW, there is a 3U stooge panel in the works to expand access to the
>MOTM-480s filters. It will provide individual CV inputs to each filter
>as well as break out all the state variable outputs.
>
>Moe
>
>--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach" <adam@s...> wrote:
>
>
>>I like my 480 more than I like my 420. The 480 sounds better to my
>>ears and
>>I rarely use the notch mode of the 420. I just wish the 480 had
>>another FM input.
>>
>>
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>
>

Okay, that presents a dilemma: convert the 480 I already have, or buy a
second one (which I was considering already) and convert it during the
assembly? Decisions, decisions... :-)

Paul: would there be any sense in offering a panel-less version of the 480
kit for people who know that they're going to replace the panel anyway?

--Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Brewster [mailto:pugix@...]
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:12 PM
To: mate_stubb
Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [motm] Re: Modules/Cabinet choices.

And! When I finally get that wonderful Stooge panel and build mine, I
will put a complete description of the whole MOTM-480 conversion project
on my website. It will include a parts list, schematic for the
additional buffers on the MUUB-4 board, and details on how to wire it
all up. Be forewarned that this project will be easier to do if you
have not already assembled your 480. But if you're handy, it will still
be doable as a conversion. You will have a little unsoldering work.

-Richard Brewster

http://www.pugix.com

mate_stubb wrote:

>FWIW, there is a 3U stooge panel in the works to expand access to the
>MOTM-480s filters. It will provide individual CV inputs to each filter
>as well as break out all the state variable outputs.
>
>Moe
>
>--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Schabtach" <adam@s...> wrote:
>
>
>>I like my 480 more than I like my 420. The 480 sounds better to my
>>ears and
>>I rarely use the notch mode of the 420. I just wish the 480 had
>>another FM input.
>>
>>
>
>
>

Yahoo! Groups Links

Any MOTM kit can be ordered without a front panel: I wiil deduct $10. Just type
it in the Comment field.

Paul D.

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "mate_stubb" <mate_stubb@y...> wrote:

>
> FWIW, there is a 3U stooge panel in the works to expand access to the
> MOTM-480s filters. It will provide individual CV inputs to each filter
> as well as break out all the state variable outputs.
>
> Moe

So what kind of add-on PCB will be needed, and who will be
designing/selling it? (And what will the PCB + Panel cost?)

Larry T.

(I ask because I'm potentially interested. A friend just heard a
patch I've setup with the 480 being driven partly off a Q960 {tweaking
the 1v/oct from one row of the 960) and loved the sound of it.)

You'll need one MUUB-4 PC Board, available here for $10.
http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/muub/muub.html

The panel has been designed and is expected to be available as a Stooge
panel.

See http://www.pugix.com/bottom-cabinet.htm Scroll down.

You'll need a few extra pots and jacks and a bracket to remount the
board. You know, I think I will put up the parts list on my site. I
have all the parts and the boards are assembled, waiting for the panel.

-Richard Brewster

http://www.pugix.com

Larry T. wrote:

>--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "mate_stubb" <mate_stubb@y...> wrote:
>
>
>>FWIW, there is a 3U stooge panel in the works to expand access to the
>>MOTM-480s filters. It will provide individual CV inputs to each filter
>>as well as break out all the state variable outputs.
>>
>>Moe
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>So what kind of add-on PCB will be needed, and who will be
>designing/selling it? (And what will the PCB + Panel cost?)
>
>Larry T.
>
>(I ask because I'm potentially interested. A friend just heard a
>patch I've setup with the 480 being driven partly off a Q960 {tweaking
>the 1v/oct from one row of the 960) and loved the sound of it.)
>
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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I just added more information.

http://www.pugix.com/bottom-cabinet.htm

Be sure to hit REFRESH in your browser.

-Richard

Richard Brewster wrote:

>You'll need one MUUB-4 PC Board, available here for $10.
>http://www.tellun.com/motm/diy/muub/muub.html
>
>The panel has been designed and is expected to be available as a Stooge
>panel.
>
>See http://www.pugix.com/bottom-cabinet.htm Scroll down.
>
>You'll need a few extra pots and jacks and a bracket to remount the
>board. You know, I think I will put up the parts list on my site. I
>have all the parts and the boards are assembled, waiting for the panel.
>
>-Richard Brewster
>
>http://www.pugix.com
>
>Larry T. wrote:
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>

David Moylan wrote:

> Great. Where am I supposed to put that? Maybe I should just stretch my
> cabinet to 28" to fit 16U. Problem solved.

what's militating against two rows of modules at 12 or 15 units each?
With (at least) 24U you can configure a really decent system without
giving up portability (as long as you don't use MDF or 3/4" oak for the
cabinet ;-)

Just a thought, Michael.

I am excited about the 480 conversion. Thanks Richard for all the great info. I wonder while we are at it is there a way to address the noise problem the 480 exhibits in LP mode? Thanks, Charles.

--- Charles Stella <cstella@...> wrote:

> I wonder while we are at it is there a
> way to address the
> noise problem the 480 exhibits in LP mode? Thanks,
> Charles.

Noise problem? What are you talking about? Maybe I'm
deaf... could you explain?
Best,

Dino





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The LP out with Freq LP at 10 generates white noise at about -75dB. The Noise lessens as the Freq LP pot is rotated CCW (LP working!)

If I could get the noise floor in my studio low enough to hear something at
-75dB, I'd "party like it's 1999." :-)

--Adam

________________________________________
From: Charles Stella [mailto:cstella@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:31 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [motm] 480 Mods

The LP out with Freq LP at 10 generates white noise at about -75dB. The
Noise lessens as the Freq LP pot is rotated CCW (LP working!)

I had asked Paul about it when was here for AH and he said that was 'normal'
for this filter.

I would be very happy to learn this is not the case and that is is an part
or construction problem.

Anyone else have this?

Thanks, Charles.



The noise

On Jan 8, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Dino Leone wrote:


--- Charles Stella <cstella@...> wrote:
> I wonder while we are at it is there a
> way to address the
> noise problem the 480 exhibits in LP mode? Thanks,
> Charles.

Noise problem? What are you talking about? Maybe I'm
deaf... could you explain?
Best,

Dino





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Well, my goal is to have a box built of two sections which can be
latched together for transport then opened up and latched into 'play
mode', sort of like an EML-101. I want it to be pretty portable, so 16U
(I decided to bump it up one) will help keep the weight down,
relatively. I also wanted to keep the height down so I'm not hidden
behind the synth and can easily see any one else I might be playing
with. I already have an SKB pop up that I'm going to keep and fill as
finance allows, so if I want to bring that along I can. Design is about
compromise.

Anyway, discussion of the format is now moot. I've already built the
main box sections. I've gotten some insightful suggestions on module
choices. The starting point now is going to be

1 Encore UEG 2 space
1 300 VCO 2 space
1 320 VCLFO 2 space (with switch to up freq range)
1 310 uVCO 1 space
1 QLFO 1 space
1 uVCF 1 space
3 EG 3 space
1 VCA/RM 2 space
1 Blacet TM 2 space

I currently have all of these modules minus the UEG and 300. These are
first on my list of new acquisitions. I'll probably go for the UEG
first since I love a step sequencer, then the 300, then I'll probably
replace the VCA/RM with the uVCA to increase room for another filter to
be determined. The "rejects" will go to the SKB.

Dave

Michael Zacherl (aka TonTaub) wrote:

> David Moylan wrote:
>
>> Great. Where am I supposed to put that? Maybe I should just stretch my
>> cabinet to 28" to fit 16U. Problem solved.
>
>
> what's militating against two rows of modules at 12 or 15 units each?
> With (at least) 24U you can configure a really decent system without
> giving up portability (as long as you don't use MDF or 3/4" oak for
> the cabinet ;-)
>
> Just a thought, Michael.

Charles,
you're right! Just tested that. It's up to about 30mV
peak-to-peak and goes away when LP Freq is decreased.
I never noticed that before since the filter is before
the VCA in my setup and with a blast of SAW or
whatever fed into the filter it's like 50x less than
the signal itself.
Even when I connect the filter directly into the amp
without any VCA it's very very little - as you said
-75dB. What I notice a lot more are the transient DC
offsets that happen when LP freq is changed. Those can
go up to 0.2V. But after googling for that I found
that this happens in many (all??) state-variable
filters... I think this is from the CA3280.

Best,

Dino


--- Charles Stella <cstella@...> wrote:

> The LP out with Freq LP at 10 generates white noise
> at about -75dB.
> The Noise lessens as the Freq LP pot is rotated CCW
> (LP working!)
>
> I had asked Paul about it when was here for AH and
> he said that was
> 'normal' for this filter.
>
> I would be very happy to learn this is not the case
> and that is is an
> part or construction problem.
>
> Anyone else have this?
>
> Thanks, Charles.
>
>
>
> The noise
> On Jan 8, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Dino Leone wrote:
>
> > --- Charles Stella <cstella@...> wrote:
> > > I wonder while we are at it is there a
> > > way to address the
> > > noise problem the 480 exhibits in LP mode?
> Thanks,
> > > Charles.
> >
> > Noise problem? What are you talking about? Maybe
> I'm
> > deaf... could you explain?
> > Best,
> >
> > Dino
> >
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Yeah it's there. I use my filters more as audio processors so I often don't have a VCA involved. The white noise is noticeable for sure. I have one of every MOTM filter and they are all very quiet and don't exhibit this broadband noise. So that's the benchmark for me. And my studio setup is very quiet and I am very picky :) I love the 480 filter though and it sounds great. It will be interesting to learn more about this circuit as I do Richard's mod.