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Anyone have any recommendations for short-run PC board fabricators? I've
looked at a service called pcb123.com, which seems pretty neat but also kind
of pricey, considering that I need only one PC board made. I'd rather pay
someone else to deal with the nasty chemicals and stuff than doing it
myself.

Thanks--
--Adam

Try www.4pcb.com I do protos there.

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Schabtach [mailto:adam@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:52 PM
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [motm] recommendations for one-off PCB fabrication?


Anyone have any recommendations for short-run PC board fabricators? I've
looked at a service called pcb123.com, which seems pretty neat but also kind
of pricey, considering that I need only one PC board made. I'd rather pay
someone else to deal with the nasty chemicals and stuff than doing it
myself.

Thanks--
--Adam





 
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Express PCB has an offer of $51.00 for three boards, if the size is 
within 3.8 x 2.5 inches (MiniBoard Service). I have not used them but 
have seen the end product and it is quite nice.

http://www.expresspcb.com/

Scott E.
=======================================================
Adam Schabtach wrote:

> Anyone have any recommendations for short-run PC board fabricators? I've
> looked at a service called pcb123.com, which seems pretty neat but also kind
> of pricey, considering that I need only one PC board made. I'd rather pay
> someone else to deal with the nasty chemicals and stuff than doing it
> myself.
> 
> Thanks--
> --Adam

On Dec 28, 2004, at 8:51 PM, Adam Schabtach wrote:

> Anyone have any recommendations for short-run PC board fabricators? 
> I've
> looked at a service called pcb123.com, which seems pretty neat but 
> also kind
> of pricey, considering that I need only one PC board made. I'd rather 
> pay
> someone else to deal with the nasty chemicals and stuff than doing it
> myself.

CustomPCB.com is much cheaper than either pcb123 or ExpressPCB. I've 
used all three, and even though custom PCB is in Malaysia, they're 
still faster and cheaper. Every once in a while I get back a board with 
problems, but it's usually just one in the batch. Custom PCB does 
pricing by surface area, not board count. I've ordered parts from 
digikey & custom pcb on the same day and usually my boards arrive 
first.

--mikes

All the kit orders hit the PO today. We have one kit left but will kit 
more as orders come in. The only item in short supply are the pots, 
which tend to be hard to find with long lead times.

I feel like I've walked a mile in Paul's shoes! (Now back to my 
loafers...;>).


-- 
Regards,
John Blacet

Blacet Research
http://www.blacet.com

Ok, here's a vain cosmetic question. Could there be, say... black Stooge
versions of some of the Modcan B series modules? Would anyone else be
interested?


Tobias Enhus

By "some", I mean specifically the X/Y CONTROLLER 32B and the The VECTOR
FADE 34B =)

Cheers!
Tobias Enhus

>
> Ok, here's a vain cosmetic question. Could there be, say... black Stooge
> versions of some of the Modcan B series modules? Would anyone else be
> interested?
>

The first Rule of the Stooge: the module in question cannot be a
competitive module (a VCO, for example).

Paul S.

First, my apology for slowness in response and alternate e-mail
address.  Spam Cop has decided to start bouncing e-mail from the
yahoo motm list to my iquest e-mail account.  Hence Yahoo keeps
kicking me off the list because of the bouncing.

Who the F**K are these SPAM COP guys and who asked them to step into
out lives to decided what is SPAM?  That is what I have Norton
Intrernet Security for.   Seems we have no options or control over
what they do. I certainly did not sign up for their service.

< rant mod off > and back on topic.

Whle it seems a shame to replace those pretty Modcan panels, they
fall into the same category as Blacet and others.  Our choice is to
make panels that suppliment the MOTM experience. Core modules like
VCFs should be significantly different from MOTM products to match
the Stooge mission statement.

My disclaimer will need to be the physical mounting issues.  I have
never seen one of these, so I cannot speak to the compatability of
Stooge mounting brackets.

Larry (I hate computers and spammers)

--- Tobias Machine Head <tobias@...> wrote:
> By "some", I mean specifically the X/Y CONTROLLER 32B and the The
> VECTOR FADE 34B =)
> 
> Cheers!
> Tobias Enhus
> 
> >
> > Ok, here's a vain cosmetic question. Could there be, say... black
> > Stooge versions of some of the Modcan B series modules? Would
> > anyone else be interested?

> The first Rule of the Stooge: the module in question cannot be a
> competitive module (a VCO, for example).
> 
> Paul S.


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I for one would be interested to hear Larry's evaluation of one of these 
Modcan "MOTM" style panels.  Does it drop right in along side Stooge 
panel/MOTM modules?  How does the board mounting look?

-Richard Brewster

currently out of cabinet space :-(

Tobias Machine Head wrote:

>Moe and Larry, If you want I could order a Modcan module and have it shipped
>to you guys for evaluation.
>  
>
>  
>

don't forget, the B-Series panels wrap around at the edges for greater rigidity. IIRC, the 
boards mount on one of these extended edges, but i might be wrong about that. 

soggy


--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster <pugix@n...> wrote:

> I for one would be interested to hear Larry's evaluation of one of these 
> Modcan "MOTM" style panels.  Does it drop right in along side Stooge 
> panel/MOTM modules?  How does the board mounting look?
> 
> -Richard Brewster
> 
> currently out of cabinet space :-(
> 
> Tobias Machine Head wrote:
> 
> >Moe and Larry, If you want I could order a Modcan module and have it shipped
> >to you guys for evaluation.
> >  
> >
> >  
> >

I recall seeing a photo somewhere that showed all Modcan pots and jacks were
wired from the PCB, so Stooge versions should not be difficult.  I too would
be interested in some MOTM conversions of designs that aren't otherwise
available in our preferred format.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tobias Machine Head [mailto:tobias@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:05 AM
> 
> 
> I love the white Modcan panels, but I don't think I could fill an entire
> cabinet with white modules to keep a consistent look (although it would
> look
> cool to have a Yin and a Yang tower). Frankly I rather go MOTM as much as
> I
> can. I already have one full MOTM cabinet and a second cabinet half full
> with more MOTM/Stoge modules, so I'm in for the duration =)
> 
> Moe and Larry, If you want I could order a Modcan module and have it
> shipped
> to you guys for evaluation.
> 
> In terms of module choices, I gravitated towards the two joystick modules.
> I
> know there's been talk about various joystick controllers on the list, but
> this seemed like an interesting and relatively easy fix for my needs. Any
> thoughts or other requests out there?
> 
> Tobias Enhus
> 
>

They're almost like a Synthesizers.com or Moog panel in design.  This also
means they are thinner, so they would not be quite flush with MOTM 1/8 inch
thick panels.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: supisuzoi [mailto:son_of_zoggs@...]
> 
> 
> don't forget, the B-Series panels wrap around at the edges for greater
> rigidity. IIRC, the
> boards mount on one of these extended edges, but i might be wrong about
> that.
> 
> soggy
> 
>

From what I've read, I would expect the Modcan panels to be very
similar to the synth.com ones - thinner stock with a folded edge to
give it some stiffness. If that is correct, then they will appear
recessed when mounted amongst MOTM modules.

Moe

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster <pugix@n...> wrote:
> I for one would be interested to hear Larry's evaluation of one of
these 
> Modcan "MOTM" style panels.  Does it drop right in along side Stooge 
> panel/MOTM modules?  How does the board mounting look?
> 
> -Richard Brewster
> 
> currently out of cabinet space :-(
> 
> Tobias Machine Head wrote:
> 
> >Moe and Larry, If you want I could order a Modcan module and have
it shipped

> >to you guys for evaluation.
> >  
> >
> >  
> >

Modcan modules that I have seen are built off a PCB that has edge connector
pads.  The boards are mounted on 1" stand-offs with 90 degree brackets from
the front panel and all pots and jacks are wired to pads on the edge of the
PCB.  This makes different pot and jack arrangements trivial.
 
Standard Modcan panels are 1/8" aluminum, just like MOTM but with anodized
printing. The B-Series appears to be more like the synthesizers.com panels
with thinner aluminum but with the folded edges.  Frankly, I like the panel
design better since it fixes the classic "sea of knobs" problem that MOTM
has allowing better visual differentiation between modules.  Since the knob
and jack placement is independent of the PCB design, there is greater
freedom to layout the panel with knobs and jacks in places that might make
more sense than with the MOTM "grid" layout.  Oddly, the the A-Series Modcan
modules, the panels are too narrow to take advantage of this flexibility -
go figure.
 
    Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: John Loffink [mailto:jloffink@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:11 PM
To: 'Tobias Machine Head'; 'Larry Hendry'; motm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [motm] Stooge versions of B series?


I recall seeing a photo somewhere that showed all Modcan pots and jacks were
wired from the PCB, so Stooge versions should not be difficult.  I too would
be interested in some MOTM conversions of designs that aren't otherwise
available in our preferred format.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tobias Machine Head [mailto:tobias@machinehead.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:05 AM
> 
> 
> I love the white Modcan panels, but I don't think I could fill an entire
> cabinet with white modules to keep a consistent look (although it would
> look
> cool to have a Yin and a Yang tower). Frankly I rather go MOTM as much as
> I
> can. I already have one full MOTM cabinet and a second cabinet half full
> with more MOTM/Stoge modules, so I'm in for the duration =)
> 
> Moe and Larry, If you want I could order a Modcan module and have it
> shipped
> to you guys for evaluation.
> 
> In terms of module choices, I gravitated towards the two joystick modules.
> I
> know there's been talk about various joystick controllers on the list, but
> this seemed like an interesting and relatively easy fix for my needs. Any
> thoughts or other requests out there?
> 
> Tobias Enhus
> 
> 




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Question for the folks here:

Of those of you who would be interested in repanelled Modcan B
modules, would you prefer keeping the free form layout as originally
presented, or fitting everything into the existing MOTM grid.

My vote FWIW would be to go more free form, although we would have to
look into whether matching knobs in the various sizes could be found.

Moe

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "alt-mode" <yahoo@a...> wrote:
> Frankly, I like the panel
> design better since it fixes the classic "sea of knobs" problem that
MOTM
> has allowing better visual differentiation between modules.  Since
the knob
> and jack placement is independent of the PCB design, there is greater
> freedom to layout the panel with knobs and jacks in places that
might make
> more sense than with the MOTM "grid" layout.

I prefer the "free form" layouts as long as they don't get too wild.  All of
the Modcan B layouts look very sensible.  

FYI, there is a MOTM style knob from ALCOSWITCH that is just under 3/4" in
diameter, in addition to the smaller and larger knobs seen on the Encore
Frequency Shifter.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mate_stubb [mailto:mate_stubb@...]
> 
> Question for the folks here:
> 
> Of those of you who would be interested in repanelled Modcan B
> modules, would you prefer keeping the free form layout as originally
> presented, or fitting everything into the existing MOTM grid.
> 
> My vote FWIW would be to go more free form, although we would have to
> look into whether matching knobs in the various sizes could be found.
> 
> Moe
>

I love the white Modcan panels, but I don't think I could fill an entire
cabinet with white modules to keep a consistent look (although it would look
cool to have a Yin and a Yang tower). Frankly I rather go MOTM as much as I
can. I already have one full MOTM cabinet and a second cabinet half full
with more MOTM/Stoge modules, so I'm in for the duration =)

Moe and Larry, If you want I could order a Modcan module and have it shipped
to you guys for evaluation.

In terms of module choices, I gravitated towards the two joystick modules. I
know there's been talk about various joystick controllers on the list, but
this seemed like an interesting and relatively easy fix for my needs. Any
thoughts or other requests out there?
 
Tobias Enhus

> 
> First, my apology for slowness in response and alternate e-mail
> address.  Spam Cop has decided to start bouncing e-mail from the
> yahoo motm list to my iquest e-mail account.  Hence Yahoo keeps
> kicking me off the list because of the bouncing.
> 
> Who the F**K are these SPAM COP guys and who asked them to step into
> out lives to decided what is SPAM?  That is what I have Norton
> Intrernet Security for.   Seems we have no options or control over
> what they do. I certainly did not sign up for their service.
> 
> < rant mod off > and back on topic.
> 
> Whle it seems a shame to replace those pretty Modcan panels, they
> fall into the same category as Blacet and others.  Our choice is to
> make panels that suppliment the MOTM experience. Core modules like
> VCFs should be significantly different from MOTM products to match
> the Stooge mission statement.
> 
> My disclaimer will need to be the physical mounting issues.  I have
> never seen one of these, so I cannot speak to the compatability of
> Stooge mounting brackets.
> 
> Larry (I hate computers and spammers)
> 
> --- Tobias Machine Head <tobias@...> wrote:
>> By "some", I mean specifically the X/Y CONTROLLER 32B and the The
>> VECTOR FADE 34B =)
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> Tobias Enhus
>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok, here's a vain cosmetic question. Could there be, say... black
>>> Stooge versions of some of the Modcan B series modules? Would
>>> anyone else be interested?
> 
>> The first Rule of the Stooge: the module in question cannot be a
>> competitive module (a VCO, for example).
>> 
>> Paul S.
> 
> 
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