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2001-11-19 by jhaible@t-online.de
I've made some scans of my recent project. Even though it's one big 19" panel, I've taken care to make the front panel layout to (loosely) fit into a MOTM setup. My panel of MOTM modules will also be powered from the JH-5A's PSU. As my own experiments are sometimes related to forthcoming MOTM modules, you might find this interesting: http://www.oldcrows.net/~jhaible/jh5/jh5.html JH.
2001-11-19 by George Kisslak
Very interesting JH - and it looks great, too. So, are you hinting that the upcoming MOTM ladder VCF may incorporate this twin-LPF design? I surely hope so! Have any MP3s to tease us with? George ----- Original Message -----
From: <jhaible@...> To: <motm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:53 PM Subject: [motm] pictures > I've made some scans of my recent project. Even though it's one big > 19" panel, I've taken care to make the front panel layout to (loosely) > fit into a MOTM setup. My panel of MOTM modules will also be powered > from the JH-5A's PSU. As my own experiments are sometimes related > to forthcoming MOTM modules, you might find this interesting: > > http://www.oldcrows.net/~jhaible/jh5/jh5.html > > JH. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2001-11-19 by jhaible@t-online.de
-----Urspr\ufffdngliche Nachricht----- Von: George Kisslak <groovyshaman@...> An: <motm@yahoogroups.com>; <jhaible@...> Gesendet: Montag, 19. November 2001 20:11 Betreff: Re: [motm] pictures > Very interesting JH - and it looks great, too. So, are you hinting that the > upcoming MOTM ladder VCF may incorporate this twin-LPF design? I surely > hope so! Have any MP3s to tease us with? I posted some sound files in August when I had finished the filter: http://www.oldcrows.net/~jhaible/mp3/ The files with "moog" in the name, mostly wav's, because mp3 does not work for this kind of sounds. What you hear is the filter with VCOs and VCA from the (EMS style) Synthi Clone. The new VCOs and VCAs are better (;->), bit no sound clips yet. JH.
2001-11-20 by J. Larry Hendry
Amazing JH. I would love to see a filter like that in the MOTM line up. That is indeed beautiful work. Larry Hendry (in awe)
----- Original Message ----- From: <jhaible@...> To: <motm@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: [motm] pictures I've made some scans of my recent project. Even though it's one big 19" panel, I've taken care to make the front panel layout to (loosely) fit into a MOTM setup. My panel of MOTM modules will also be powered from the JH-5A's PSU. As my own experiments are sometimes related to forthcoming MOTM modules, you might find this interesting: http://www.oldcrows.net/~jhaible/jh5/jh5.html JH. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2001-11-20 by Mike Marsh
These samples do indeed sound great! A question: I bought Roger Arrick's ladder filter and noticed a significant amount of hiss, particularly compared to MOTM filters such as the 440. I noticed that your samples all had a similar amount of hiss and the character was essentially the same, too. Is this endemic to ladder filter designs? Mike --- In motm@y..., jhaible@t... wrote: > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: George Kisslak <groovyshaman@s...> > An: <motm@y...>; <jhaible@t...> > Gesendet: Montag, 19. November 2001 20:11 > Betreff: Re: [motm] pictures > > > > Very interesting JH - and it looks great, too. So, are you hinting that > the > > upcoming MOTM ladder VCF may incorporate this twin-LPF design? I surely > > hope so! Have any MP3s to tease us with? > > I posted some sound files in August when I had finished the filter: > http://www.oldcrows.net/~jhaible/mp3/ > The files with "moog" in the name, mostly wav's, because mp3 does not > work for this kind of sounds. > What you hear is the filter with VCOs and VCA from the (EMS style) Synthi > Clone. The new VCOs and VCAs are better (;->), bit no sound clips yet. > > JH.
2001-11-20 by jhaible@t-online.de
Mike Marsh schrieb: > These samples do indeed sound great! A question: I > bought Roger > Arrick's ladder filter and noticed a significant amount > of hiss, > particularly compared to MOTM filters such as the 440. I > noticed > that your samples all had a similar amount of hiss and > the character > was essentially the same, too. Is this endemic to ladder > filter > designs? The hiss in my samples comes clearly from the Synthi Clone's VCA and the rest of the signal path. No such hiss in the filter (or in the final JH-5A for that matter). I don't know about the Roger Arrick filter, so I cannot comment on this. In general, the choice of transistors will directly have an influence on the noise, for a given architecture. Now if you compare the Moog Ladder structure with the SSM2040 or it's descendant, the MOTM-440, the 440 will win in most every category, *except* that typical "trademark Moog" sound. It's no secret that the SSM2040 is my all time favorite. I used to say "you need to have one Moog VCF for that special sound, but that's enough", and consequently I used a single (Minimoog clone) Moog style filter and several SSM2040 style filters all these years. But recently I decided that the "one Moog filter sound" that I wanted was the one from the Modular, not from the Mini. I even consider to sell my MidiMini rackmount Mini clone to make space in the studio. (If anybody offers me an outrageous amount of money and picks it up at my home, that is - so it's more than likely that I'll keep it for a while (;->) ...) Ah, I forgot, I also have a Moog Taurus I filter clone for some years now. Clearly too many Moog filters ! (;->) JH.
2001-11-20 by Mike Marsh
Many filters = good! I did not really mean to complain, since the Arrick filter sounds very good. Very Moog-like but I'm not sure if I can say "sounds like a modular" or "sounds like a mini". I *can* say that it is not as timbrely complex as the 440. And hiss I can deal with in my DAW... Mike --- In motm@y..., jhaible@t... wrote:
> Mike Marsh schrieb: > > These samples do indeed sound great! A question: I > > bought Roger > > Arrick's ladder filter and noticed a significant amount > > of hiss, > > particularly compared to MOTM filters such as the 440. I > > noticed > > that your samples all had a similar amount of hiss and > > the character > > was essentially the same, too. Is this endemic to ladder > > filter > > designs? > > The hiss in my samples comes clearly from the Synthi Clone's > VCA and the rest of the signal path. No such hiss in the > filter (or in the final JH-5A for that matter). > I don't know about the Roger Arrick filter, so I cannot > comment on this. In general, the choice of transistors will > directly have an influence on the noise, for a given > architecture. > > Now if you compare the Moog Ladder structure with the SSM2040 > or it's descendant, the MOTM-440, the 440 will win in most > every category, *except* that typical "trademark Moog" sound. > It's no secret that the SSM2040 is my all time favorite. > I used to say "you need to have one Moog VCF for that special > sound, but that's enough", and consequently I used a single > (Minimoog clone) Moog style filter and several SSM2040 style > filters all these years. But recently I decided that the > "one Moog filter sound" that I wanted was the one from the > Modular, not from the Mini. I even consider to sell my MidiMini > rackmount Mini clone to make space in the studio. (If anybody > offers me an outrageous amount of money and picks it up at > my home, that is - so it's more than likely that I'll keep > it for a while (;->) ...) > > Ah, I forgot, I also have a Moog Taurus I filter clone for some > years now. Clearly too many Moog filters ! (;->) > > JH.