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Anyone install & boot Emax off an internal IDE Zip ?

Anyone install & boot Emax off an internal IDE Zip ?

2013-10-21 by Windrum Scoggin

I am having a hell of a time getting EMXP to work with my floppy drives on my PC
Errors and whatnot and I am trying to upgrade to the Plus OS so I can use its SCSI connector on the back
Anyway, I thought about burning the OS onto a Zip drive (My PC has a Zip drive)
then installing an IDE zip to replace the internal floppy in the Emax and simply booting and loading sounds that way.
Anyone tried this?
Keep thinking if I get this to function using zip disks I could just forgoe this floppy disk drive BS and be done with the hassles. Has anyone done this or
know if it can be done..same connectors as a floppy? I have seen it done with the HxC floppy emulator so don't see why it could not be done with a Zip drive.

Any help appreciated thanks
Cheers
Greg

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RE: Anyone install & boot Emax off an internal IDE Zip ?

2013-10-21 by sweetsynthchuck@...

a ide zip will not work on the floppy bus,

you would need those ripoff scsi/ide solutions.

what os is your emax currently running i Would have thought you should already be on a SE HD OS considering you have scsi on the rear panel?




---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I am having a hell of a time getting EMXP to work with my floppy drives on my PC
Errors and whatnot and I am trying to upgrade to the Plus OS so I can use its SCSI connector on the back
Anyway, I thought about burning the OS onto a Zip drive (My PC has a Zip drive)
then installing an IDE zip to replace the internal floppy in the Emax and simply booting and loading sounds that way.
Anyone tried this?
Keep thinking if I get this to function using zip disks I could just forgoe this floppy disk drive BS and be done with the hassles. Has anyone done this or
know if it can be done..same connectors as a floppy? I have seen it done with the HxC floppy emulator so don't see why it could not be done with a Zip drive.

Any help appreciated thanks
Cheers
Greg

--
Le Sociere Des Oscillateurs Mystere

Re: [emax] RE: Anyone install & boot Emax off an internal IDE Zip ?

2013-10-21 by Windrum Scoggin

Emax HD SE Rev 1.1 but it won't see anything connected to the SCSI connector that I installed (with the help of Ted thanks Ted!)
Mine was already pinned appropriately for the SCSI setup on its board (PC333 board with all connections already on the board) so it was
just a matter of installing a DB-25 SCSI connector cable on the back and mounting it to the panel

Unfortunately, without the Plus OS you the Emax doesn't know
to look for the SCSI drive so it can't see it (according to Ted).

Only problem is I cannot figure out how to update to the Plus OS (available on E-synthesists site)
because I cannot get EMXP to work properly on my WinXp machine and burn me a floppy with the Plus OS system So I can boot the
Emax from it!
See the 'Catch-22' I am in here? If I cannot get the Emax I HD to see a SCSI Zip then it won';t work with a Zip drive
If I can't get EMXP to burn a floppy I can't boot from/upgrade the Emax OS so it will see a SCSI zip

I am probably going to have move to Plan B and order the HxC Floppy emulator and install in the Emax, then just transfer back and forth via SD card
from EMXP to the EMAX.

This whole SCSI/Floppy charade is becoming wayyyy more hassle then its worth. Can't get any music done because of this arcane protocol with the Emax
disk utilities (1980's technology at best, but to be expected) but man, the upgrade of the OS process is really hard to deal with.

Don't want to sample cause I got nothing to save it to (can't see the SCSI Zip) and all its got is a very small (20MB) internal SCSI hard drive. Hardly enough
to do serious work to which can be saved for later use.
Cheers
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:00 AM, <sweetsynthchuck@...> wrote:

a ide zip will not work on the floppy bus,

you would need those ripoff scsi/ide solutions.

what os is your emax currently running i Would have thought you should already be on a SE HD OS considering you have scsi on the rear panel?






---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I am having a hell of a time getting EMXP to work with my floppy drives on my PC
Errors and whatnot and I am trying to upgrade to the Plus OS so I can use its SCSI connector on the back
Anyway, I thought about burning the OS onto a Zip drive (My PC has a Zip drive)
then installing an IDE zip to replace the internal floppy in the Emax and simply booting and loading sounds that way.
Anyone tried this?
Keep thinking if I get this to function using zip disks I could just forgoe this floppy disk drive BS and be done with the hassles. Has anyone done this or
know if it can be done..same connectors as a floppy? I have seen it done with the HxC floppy emulator so don't see why it could not be done with a Zip drive.

Any help appreciated thanks
Cheers
Greg

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Re: [emax] RE: Anyone install & boot Emax off an internal IDE Zip ?

2013-10-21 by Ted Summers

If you are on the DROP box, shared file- I have put up BOOTABLE EMAX factory images which could be written to Zip or flash with EMXP and have the PLUS OS on them.
You would need to have a SCSI ZIP to do it though.
Also- please note you cannot boot from any external drive unless it's SCSI ID can be set to ID 0.

-T
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

Emax HD SE Rev 1.1 but it won't see anything connected to the SCSI connector that I installed (with the help of Ted thanks Ted!)
Mine was already pinned appropriately for the SCSI setup on its board (PC333 board with all connections already on the board) so it was
just a matter of installing a DB-25 SCSI connector cable on the back and mounting it to the panel

Unfortunately, without the Plus OS you the Emax doesn't know
to look for the SCSI drive so it can't see it (according to Ted).

Only problem is I cannot figure out how to update to the Plus OS (available on E-synthesists site)
because I cannot get EMXP to work properly on my WinXp machine and burn me a floppy with the Plus OS system So I can boot the
Emax from it!
See the 'Catch-22' I am in here? If I cannot get the Emax I HD to see a SCSI Zip then it won't work with a Zip drive
If I can't get EMXP to burn a floppy I can't boot from/upgrade the Emax OS so it will see a SCSI zip

I am probably going to have move to Plan B and order the HxC Floppy emulator and install in the Emax, then just transfer back and forth via SD card
from EMXP to the EMAX.

This whole SCSI/Floppy charade is becoming wayyyy more hassle then its worth. Can't get any music done because of this arcane protocol with the Emax
disk utilities (1980's technology at best, but to be expected) but man, the upgrade of the OS process is really hard to deal with.

Don't want to sample cause I got nothing to save it to (can't see the SCSI Zip) and all its got is a very small (20MB) internal SCSI hard drive. Hardly enough
to do serious work to which can be saved for later use.
Cheers


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:00 AM, <sweetsynthchuck@...> wrote:

a ide zip will not work on the floppy bus,

you would need those ripoff scsi/ide solutions.

what os is your emax currently running i Would have thought you should already be on a SE HD OS considering you have scsi on the rear panel?






---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I am having a hell of a time getting EMXP to work with my floppy drives on my PC
Errors and whatnot and I am trying to upgrade to the Plus OS so I can use its SCSI connector on the back
Anyway, I thought about burning the OS onto a Zip drive (My PC has a Zip drive)
then installing an IDE zip to replace the internal floppy in the Emax and simply booting and loading sounds that way.
Anyone tried this?
Keep thinking if I get this to function using zip disks I could just forgoe this floppy disk drive BS and be done with the hassles. Has anyone done this or
know if it can be done..same connectors as a floppy? I have seen it done with the HxC floppy emulator so don't see why it could not be done with a Zip drive.

Any help appreciated thanks
Cheers
Greg

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Le Sociere Des Oscillateurs Mystere




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Re: [emax] RE: Anyone install & boot Emax off an internal IDE Zip ?

2013-10-21 by Windrum Scoggin

UH oh.
that means there is no booting from SCSI ZIP
OK, so then is there a way I can take those
Plus OS you have listed on the Dropbox and
get them onto a floppy disk OTHER than
using EMXP?
At this time, EMXP is the problem as it won't write
to my floppy disks without an error code
I need to use some other utility like the EMXUTIL
you mentioned. Perhaps THAT WILL work for me
as opposed to using EMXP.
Thank You for you help!

Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

If you are on the DROP box, shared file- I have put up BOOTABLE EMAX factory images which could be written to Zip or flash with EMXP and have the PLUS OS on them.
You would need to have a SCSI ZIP to do it though.
Also- please note you cannot boot from any external drive unless it's SCSI ID can be set to ID 0.

-T


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

Emax HD SE Rev 1.1 but it won't see anything connected to the SCSI connector that I installed (with the help of Ted thanks Ted!)
Mine was already pinned appropriately for the SCSI setup on its board (PC333 board with all connections already on the board) so it was
just a matter of installing a DB-25 SCSI connector cable on the back and mounting it to the panel

Unfortunately, without the Plus OS you the Emax doesn't know
to look for the SCSI drive so it can't see it (according to Ted).

Only problem is I cannot figure out how to update to the Plus OS (available on E-synthesists site)
because I cannot get EMXP to work properly on my WinXp machine and burn me a floppy with the Plus OS system So I can boot the
Emax from it!
See the 'Catch-22' I am in here? If I cannot get the Emax I HD to see a SCSI Zip then it won't work with a Zip drive
If I can't get EMXP to burn a floppy I can't boot from/upgrade the Emax OS so it will see a SCSI zip

I am probably going to have move to Plan B and order the HxC Floppy emulator and install in the Emax, then just transfer back and forth via SD card
from EMXP to the EMAX.

This whole SCSI/Floppy charade is becoming wayyyy more hassle then its worth. Can't get any music done because of this arcane protocol with the Emax
disk utilities (1980's technology at best, but to be expected) but man, the upgrade of the OS process is really hard to deal with.

Don't want to sample cause I got nothing to save it to (can't see the SCSI Zip) and all its got is a very small (20MB) internal SCSI hard drive. Hardly enough
to do serious work to which can be saved for later use.
Cheers


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:00 AM, <sweetsynthchuck@...> wrote:

a ide zip will not work on the floppy bus,

you would need those ripoff scsi/ide solutions.

what os is your emax currently running i Would have thought you should already be on a SE HD OS considering you have scsi on the rear panel?






---In emax@...m, <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I am having a hell of a time getting EMXP to work with my floppy drives on my PC
Errors and whatnot and I am trying to upgrade to the Plus OS so I can use its SCSI connector on the back
Anyway, I thought about burning the OS onto a Zip drive (My PC has a Zip drive)
then installing an IDE zip to replace the internal floppy in the Emax and simply booting and loading sounds that way.
Anyone tried this?
Keep thinking if I get this to function using zip disks I could just forgoe this floppy disk drive BS and be done with the hassles. Has anyone done this or
know if it can be done..same connectors as a floppy? I have seen it done with the HxC floppy emulator so don't see why it could not be done with a Zip drive.

Any help appreciated thanks
Cheers
Greg

--
Le Sociere Des Oscillateurs Mystere




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Le Sociere Des Oscillateurs Mystere





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Re: [emax] RE: Anyone install & boot Emax off an internal IDE Zip ?

2013-10-21 by Ted Summers

Not from BLUE external SCSI zip. But people have bought SCSI PC INTERNAL Zip and mounted it where the floppy goes or attached external in a case and booted from them.

Those aren't floppy images on dropbox, they are HD images....
again- go to the Yahoo group files section and you can get EMXUTIL and EMX for DOS and DOS disk image from there.

Make dos bootable image
copy EMX and / or EMXUTIL to the disk
copy PLUS 1.0 OS (unzipped) to the disk
format DSDD disk in Emax
boot from Dos disk which now has DOS, EMX / EMXUTIL, and the PLUS image
start EMXUTIL or EMX from command line.
Write OS image using utility to Emax formatted DSDD disk.
Take disk and boot Emax- it should work.

-T
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

UH oh.
that means there is no booting from SCSI ZIP
OK, so then is there a way I can take those
Plus OS you have listed on the Dropbox and
get them onto a floppy disk OTHER than
using EMXP?
At this time, EMXP is the problem as it won't write
to my floppy disks without an error code
I need to use some other utility like the EMXUTIL
you mentioned. Perhaps THAT WILL work for me
as opposed to using EMXP.
Thank You for you help!

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

If you are on the DROP box, shared file- I have put up BOOTABLE EMAX factory images which could be written to Zip or flash with EMXP and have the PLUS OS on them.
You would need to have a SCSI ZIP to do it though.
Also- please note you cannot boot from any external drive unless it's SCSI ID can be set to ID 0.

-T


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

Emax HD SE Rev 1.1 but it won't see anything connected to the SCSI connector that I installed (with the help of Ted thanks Ted!)
Mine was already pinned appropriately for the SCSI setup on its board (PC333 board with all connections already on the board) so it was
just a matter of installing a DB-25 SCSI connector cable on the back and mounting it to the panel

Unfortunately, without the Plus OS you the Emax doesn't know
to look for the SCSI drive so it can't see it (according to Ted).

Only problem is I cannot figure out how to update to the Plus OS (available on E-synthesists site)
because I cannot get EMXP to work properly on my WinXp machine and burn me a floppy with the Plus OS system So I can boot the
Emax from it!
See the 'Catch-22' I am in here? If I cannot get the Emax I HD to see a SCSI Zip then it won't work with a Zip drive
If I can't get EMXP to burn a floppy I can't boot from/upgrade the Emax OS so it will see a SCSI zip

I am probably going to have move to Plan B and order the HxC Floppy emulator and install in the Emax, then just transfer back and forth via SD card
from EMXP to the EMAX.

This whole SCSI/Floppy charade is becoming wayyyy more hassle then its worth. Can't get any music done because of this arcane protocol with the Emax
disk utilities (1980's technology at best, but to be expected) but man, the upgrade of the OS process is really hard to deal with.

Don't want to sample cause I got nothing to save it to (can't see the SCSI Zip) and all its got is a very small (20MB) internal SCSI hard drive. Hardly enough
to do serious work to which can be saved for later use.
Cheers


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:00 AM, <sweetsynthchuck@...> wrote:

a ide zip will not work on the floppy bus,

you would need those ripoff scsi/ide solutions.

what os is your emax currently running i Would have thought you should already be on a SE HD OS considering you have scsi on the rear panel?






---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <;emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I am having a hell of a time getting EMXP to work with my floppy drives on my PC
Errors and whatnot and I am trying to upgrade to the Plus OS so I can use its SCSI connector on the back
Anyway, I thought about burning the OS onto a Zip drive (My PC has a Zip drive)
then installing an IDE zip to replace the internal floppy in the Emax and simply booting and loading sounds that way.
Anyone tried this?
Keep thinking if I get this to function using zip disks I could just forgoe this floppy disk drive BS and be done with the hassles. Has anyone done this or
know if it can be done..same connectors as a floppy? I have seen it done with the HxC floppy emulator so don't see why it could not be done with a Zip drive.

Any help appreciated thanks
Cheers
Greg

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Re: [emax] RE: Anyone install & boot Emax off an internal IDE Zip ?

2013-10-21 by Windrum Scoggin

AH
THERE IS MY ANSWER!
EMXP might just work fine with my external
SCSI controller card on my PC and the external SCSI zip drive attached. I can then write the Plus OS to a zip disk
I can then install an IDE internal ZIP drive on my EMAX and then this problem 'nipped in the bud'
as I can simply boot the EMAX off the internal IDE ZIP drive.
Let me try to write the Plus OS to a Zip disk using EMXP on my PC and if it successfully does so, I will install a SCSI internal IDE zip into the EMAX and simply boot off of it.
Barring this working, I will test using and SD card within EMXP and if it writes to the SD card then I know if will load into the EMAX when I install and HxC Floppy emulator.
After all, there's more than one way to skin a cat!
Thanks Ted!

Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

Not from BLUE external SCSI zip. But people have bought SCSI PC INTERNAL Zip and mounted it where the floppy goes or attached external in a case and booted from them.

Those aren't floppy images on dropbox, they are HD images....
again- go to the Yahoo group files section and you can get EMXUTIL and EMX for DOS and DOS disk image from there.

Make dos bootable image
copy EMX and / or EMXUTIL to the disk
copy PLUS 1.0 OS (unzipped) to the disk
format DSDD disk in Emax
boot from Dos disk which now has DOS, EMX / EMXUTIL, and the PLUS image
start EMXUTIL or EMX from command line.
Write OS image using utility to Emax formatted DSDD disk.
Take disk and boot Emax- it should work.

-T


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

UH oh.
that means there is no booting from SCSI ZIP
OK, so then is there a way I can take those
Plus OS you have listed on the Dropbox and
get them onto a floppy disk OTHER than
using EMXP?
At this time, EMXP is the problem as it won't write
to my floppy disks without an error code
I need to use some other utility like the EMXUTIL
you mentioned. Perhaps THAT WILL work for me
as opposed to using EMXP.
Thank You for you help!

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

If you are on the DROP box, shared file- I have put up BOOTABLE EMAX factory images which could be written to Zip or flash with EMXP and have the PLUS OS on them.
You would need to have a SCSI ZIP to do it though.
Also- please note you cannot boot from any external drive unless it's SCSI ID can be set to ID 0.

-T


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@gmail.com> wrote:

Emax HD SE Rev 1.1 but it won't see anything connected to the SCSI connector that I installed (with the help of Ted thanks Ted!)
Mine was already pinned appropriately for the SCSI setup on its board (PC333 board with all connections already on the board) so it was
just a matter of installing a DB-25 SCSI connector cable on the back and mounting it to the panel

Unfortunately, without the Plus OS you the Emax doesn't know
to look for the SCSI drive so it can't see it (according to Ted).

Only problem is I cannot figure out how to update to the Plus OS (available on E-synthesists site)
because I cannot get EMXP to work properly on my WinXp machine and burn me a floppy with the Plus OS system So I can boot the
Emax from it!
See the 9;Catch-22' I am in here? If I cannot get the Emax I HD to see a SCSI Zip then it won't work with a Zip drive
If I can't get EMXP to burn a floppy I can't boot from/upgrade the Emax OS so it will see a SCSI zip

I am probably going to have move to Plan B and order the HxC Floppy emulator and install in the Emax, then just transfer back and forth via SD card
from EMXP to the EMAX.

This whole SCSI/Floppy charade is becoming wayyyy more hassle then its worth. Can't get any music done because of this arcane protocol with the Emax
disk utilities (1980's technology at best, but to be expected) but man, the upgrade of the OS process is really hard to deal with.

Don't want to sample cause I got nothing to save it to (can't see the SCSI Zip) and all its got is a very small (20MB) internal SCSI hard drive. Hardly enough
to do serious work to which can be saved for later use.
Cheers


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:00 AM, <sweetsynthchuck@...m> wrote:

a ide zip will not work on the floppy bus,

you would need those ripoff scsi/ide solutions.

what os is your emax currently running i Would have thought you should already be on a SE HD OS considering you have scsi on the rear panel?






---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I am having a hell of a time getting EMXP to work with my floppy drives on my PC
Errors and whatnot and I am trying to upgrade to the Plus OS so I can use its SCSI connector on the back
Anyway, I thought about burning the OS onto a Zip drive (My PC has a Zip drive)
then installing an IDE zip to replace the internal floppy in the Emax and simply booting and loading sounds that way.
Anyone tried this?
Keep thinking if I get this to function using zip disks I could just forgoe this floppy disk drive BS and be done with the hassles. Has anyone done this or
know if it can be done..same connectors as a floppy? I have seen it done with the HxC floppy emulator so don't see why it could not be done with a Zip drive.

Any help appreciated thanks
Cheers
Greg

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