Emax

At 07:28 AM 8/6/2015, you wrote:

>Since I'm about to mount a 120 Gb SSD in my new friend the E-MU E4XT Ultra, I need to fill this with something.
>I fetched some .iso files from the mentioned folder on the box.com, but I cant access any files. I tried to mount the .iso and I tried to burn the .iso. But It always says that windows cant access the files (on win 7), might be corrupt.

I wasn't aware that the E4 could read Emax CD's. The E3/ESi can. I could be wrong.

>I also installed Translator Free but no luck there either.

Translator certainly can read Emax CD's and images.

Feel free to contact Chicken Systems support@chickensys.com - they are happy to help (although grudgingly since you are trying to access (likely) pirated images). And give them better info that just "it doesn't work". And read the manual, I'm sure your answers are in there.

Translator (the paid version of course) can convert Emax Banks to E4 banks, that would be your solution.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

At 11:31 AM 8/6/2015, you wrote:

Anyone knows what format the images on the folder on box.com are in?

There's really no such thing as a "disk image file format" - all images are simply raw representations of what exists on a disk. However, there are many different file systems ON the image. For Emu, coincidentally the SCSI disk file systems since Emax are just about the same. For E3 on they are the same.

So really, all you are trying to do with larger images (non-floppy) is to burn them directly to the CD without any consideration of the contents.

And yes, probably pirated (?), but good luck trying to find many of these titles the legit way? (second hand cd's on Ebay..?) Many titles are obsolete.

In case like that, you simply can't use them, period. They aren't public domain, Emu still posses the rights and that's that. They are theirs, they aren't yours.

Will try again with Chicken Free and if I get to understand it yes the paid version is probably the way to go.

HTH

Garth Hjelte

Sampler User

At 02:42 PM 8/6/2015, you wrote:

>Ok, I thought that these where images created from the CD-ROM's (and hence perhaps from a time after Emax and would be in a E4-compatible format).

It may be - I replied to the post without knowing (and I tried to check past emails) what or where the images were on "box.com". Otherwise I would have given a better answer.

I think they are either floppy images, so you'd use OmniFlop or EMX to ge them onto floppy, or someone put all these on SCSI hard drive (like a ZipDisk) and then made an image. Then you'd use Translator or something else to do what you needed to do.

>>In case like that, you simply can't use them, period. They aren't public domain, Emu still posses the rights and that's that. They are theirs, they aren't yours.

>I have never claimed them to be mine! I would never use these in a way that would benefit me economically. My only motivation is to try to do my bit in the preservation of the great legacy of E-MU (a legacy Creative hasn't shown too much interest in), by resurrecting their gear and sounds. And as soon as I have the chance, play them to my friends, kids and everyone else passing by. And if I ever would use these comercially - I will make sure to send Creative a check for them to use in developing their new line of Sound Blasters :)

All I was saying - and remember as I mentioned above I have no idea what's on "box.com" - if they are any of the Emu-created E3 CD-ROM series or the ESi Formula series or any Emu-created E4 CD's they sold, they shouldn't be up on any web site because Emu owns the copyright and they should NEVER be copied without their permission (which they don't give). They aren't free, they aren't for distribution other than what Emu says. For personal, private, commercial use. No use. You can't steal a Ferrari even if you just plan to put it in your garage.

Again, since I don't know what this "box.com" site is all about, if these images are up with the permission of their author, it's A-OK. If they are NOT, then they need to be removed.

I think - although this is in a sense hypocritical - the Emax factory library released on floppies is an exception. They AFAIK were never sold, they came with every Emax and thus should have traveled with every Emax as they were being sold. They should apply to the above statement - they still are Emu's property - but historically everyone knows that they are really part-and-parcel of the sampler. It's similar to posting the PDF's of the manuals online. But it's still illegal to do so, it's just known as an acceptable crime (like speeding on a freeway). Nothings changed.

But larger libraries like the CD-ROM's and sounds en masse are a much different thing. No pirating. Period.

Don't mean to be the "sound police" but we all have to remember this.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

I think - although this is in a sense hypocritical - the Emax factory library released on floppies is an exception. They AFAIK were never sold, they came with every Emax and thus should have traveled with every Emax as they were being sold. They should apply to the above statement - they still are Emu';s property - but historically everyone knows that they are really part-and-parcel of the sampler. It's similar to posting the PDF's of the manuals online. But it's still illegal to do so, it's just known as an acceptable crime (like speeding on a freeway). Nothings changed.

Yes - it indeed is a little hypocritical :)

Also, the E4XT and Ultra series came with about 5-10 CD-ROM when sold initially, which I guess where ment to follow the sampler as an all-sound-experience-sort-of-thing.

Furthermore, some aspect should be mentioned: translating from an Emax 1 format to .wav (and going from playing them in an Emax to playing them in Kontakt) certainly changes the precieved sound quite a bit. This change in precieved sound is an alteration of the work of the sound-creator, and could very well in some cases not be ok. I mean if we should really be true to the creators work. (at least according to some national copyright laws)

But I undrestand what you are saying and understand your position.

Although:

For personal, private, commercial use. No use. You can't steal a Ferrari even if you just plan to put it in your garage.

I mean, come on. That is a VERY far fetched comparison, and you know it.

Regards

Niklas

2015-08-07 15:40 GMT+02:00 Garth Hjelte garth@chickensys.com [emax] <emax@yahoogroups.com>:

At 02:42 PM 8/6/2015, you wrote:

>Ok, I thought that these where images created from the CD-ROM's (and hence perhaps from a time after Emax and would be in a E4-compatible format).

It may be - I replied to the post without knowing (and I tried to check past emails) what or where the images were on "box.com". Otherwise I would have given a better answer.

I think they are either floppy images, so you'd use OmniFlop or EMX to ge them onto floppy, or someone put all these on SCSI hard drive (like a ZipDisk) and then made an image. Then you'd use Translator or something else to do what you needed to do.

>>In case like that, you simply can't use them, period. They aren't public domain, Emu still posses the rights and that's that. They are theirs, they aren't yours.

>I have never claimed them to be mine! I would never use these in a way that would benefit me economically. My only motivation is to try to do my bit in the preservation of the great legacy of E-MU (a legacy Creative hasn't shown too much interest in), by resurrecting their gear and sounds. And as soon as I have the chance, play them to my friends, kids and everyone else passing by. And if I ever would use these comercially - I will make sure to send Creative a check for them to use in developing their new line of Sound Blasters :)

All I was saying - and remember as I mentioned above I have no idea what's on "box.com" - if they are any of the Emu-created E3 CD-ROM series or the ESi Formula series or any Emu-created E4 CD's they sold, they shouldn't be up on any web site because Emu owns the copyright and they should NEVER be copied without their permission (which they don't give). They aren't free, they aren't for distribution other than what Emu says. For personal, private, commercial use. No use. You can't steal a Ferrari even if you just plan to put it in your garage.

Again, since I don't know what this "box.com" site is all about, if these images are up with the permission of their author, it's A-OK. If they are NOT, then they need to be removed.

I think - although this is in a sense hypocritical - the Emax factory library released on floppies is an exception. They AFAIK were never sold, they came with every Emax and thus should have traveled with every Emax as they were being sold. They should apply to the above statement - they still are Emu's property - but historically everyone knows that they are really part-and-parcel of the sampler. It's similar to posting the PDF's of the manuals online. But it's still illegal to do so, it's just known as an acceptable crime (like speeding on a freeway). Nothings changed.

But larger libraries like the CD-ROM's and sounds en masse are a much different thing. No pirating. Period.

Don't mean to be the "sound police" but we all have to remember this.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

At 09:28 AM 8/7/2015, you wrote:

>Also, the E4XT and Ultra series came with about 5-10 CD-ROM when sold initially, which I guess where ment to follow the sampler as an all-sound-experience-sort-of-thing.

Not true - this was up to stores and packaging. This wasn't the case all the time.

Please reread my comment: It's ALL illegal to copy and distribute without permission. All I said about factory floppies is that in some very limited way, it's been tolerated BY USERS (not the companies, on a number of times Emu, Ensoniq, and Roland have actively removed factory floppy images from sites) because we know hardware samplers are just boat anchors unless you can load SOMETHING. Factory floppies fill that gap. But DEFINITELY NOT company-produced CD-ROM's, regardless if they were sold with the unit new. (Case in point: Yamaha A4000-series.)

Regarding the Emax - on-topic - the factory library is almost all we have as far as Emax material goes.

>But I undrestand what you are saying and understand your position. Although: "For personal, private, commercial use. No use. You can't steal a Ferrari even if you just plan to put it in your garage." I mean, come on. That is a VERY far fetched comparison, and you know it.

Why not? I was responding to you saying "I want to do this [for personal use, not commercial]" and my point was that your use is irrelevant. There is no legal use to obtain sounds you don't have the permission to obtain. It's the anti-Robin Hood argument: stealing from the rich is still stealing, even if you are giving to the poor. Nothing far-fetched about it.

>Asking for copies of sound CD's, that originally came bundled with the sampler I just bought and that are impossible to obtain legit - NOT OK (!?) Just shows that the moral compass perhaps is different in different parts of the world and in different professions.

Incorrect: Copyright laws are global. For example Emu produced the material in the United States, and thus the material is bound to the laws within the country they are created. It doesn't matter if some chump in outer-Siberia has a different moral compass. Stealing is stealing, no matter where you are. Emu's factory sounds are the intellectual property of Emu. They made them. They spent money and resources making them. They control their use. PERIOD. If you have a moral compass that validates taking things from others - no matter whom they are - without their permission, I think the space shuttle may just be the thing for you. =)

I know you are on the up-and-up, I'm just mentioning this in passing. And I apologize to all for the brief foray in this topic whose horse has been beaten more times than the Belmont, Preakness, or all horse-tracks combined. Taking about piracy is immensely tiring, my apologies.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User