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EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

2014-12-06 by nikkinloch@...

Hi all,

I am having a problem trying to use converted Emax samples and programs in S1000 format made via the EMXP program.

I use EMXP to read the Emax disc no problem, it saves as S1000 files (.AKS samples and .AKP programs) no problem.

I then try and load them into an Akai Z8, and it doesn't work... either by USB Drive, or via ak.sys USB :-(

Anyone have any idea what is wrong? I believe that the Z8 should read the files ok, and it can indeed see the .AKP files.


Thanks!

Re: [emax] EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

2014-12-06 by emma

You will have to check as I know that the mpc500 mpc1000 mpc2500 cant read s1000 or s3000 format files

You can use awave studio to convert to z8 and z4 format I just think is uses a different sample format


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-------- Original message --------
From: "nikkinloch@gmail.com [emax]" <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 06/12/2014 09:09 (GMT+00:00)
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?


Hi all,

I am having a problem trying to use converted Emax samples and programs in S1000 format made via the EMXP program.

I use EMXP to read the Emax disc no problem, it saves as S1000 files (.AKS samples and .AKP programs) no problem.

I then try and load them into an Akai Z8, and it doesn't work... either by USB Drive, or via ak.sys USB :-(

Anyone have any idea what is wrong? I believe that the Z8 should read the files ok, and it can indeed see the .AKP files.


Thanks!

Re: [emax] EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

2014-12-06 by nikkinloch@...

Thanks!

Yup Akai Z8 / Z4 / MPC 4000 can read S1000 discs:

http://www.hollowsun.com/gagnon/z48/z48_faq.html

What sound libraries do the Z4 and Z8 support?
The Z-Series samplers support .WAV files, Akai S1000 libraries, Akai S3000 libraries, Akai S5000/S6000 libraries, Emu E3 and E4 libraries and Roland S700 series libraries.

I got Awave Studio and tried to load the S1000 files but no luck so far!

Re: [emax] EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

2014-12-06 by emma

You load the keymap file it should then load the samples for that file in awave

But if the z8 can read e3

Just do the conversion to e3 format or convert to sf2 and use awave studio which does do the akai conversion correctly as I use it for the sts osc in the bcmodular


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-------- Original message --------
From: "nikkinloch@gmail.com [emax]" <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 06/12/2014 14:27 (GMT+00:00)
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [emax] EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?


Thanks!

Yup Akai Z8 / Z4 / MPC 4000 can read S1000 discs:

http://www.hollowsun.com/gagnon/z48/z48_faq.html

What sound libraries do the Z4 and Z8 support?
The Z-Series samplers support .WAV files, Akai S1000 libraries, Akai S3000 libraries, Akai S5000/S6000 libraries, Emu E3 and E4 libraries and Roland S700 series libraries.

I got Awave Studio and tried to load the S1000 files but no luck so far!

Re: [emax] EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

2014-12-06 by esynthesist@...

Most samplers which pretend to be compatible with the Akai S1000 actually only accept either Akai S1000 floppy disks or Akai S1000 cdroms/hard disks. They rarely accept sample files or program files saved on other more common filesystems like Windows compatible FATxx formatted flash drives or cdroms.

I think the Z8 is no exception - although I can't confirm this, I don't have a Z8.
I think the Z8 supports the import of Akai S1000 files, but only from Akai S1000 cdroms/hard disks or from flash cards that contain a raw image taken from an Akai S1000 cdrom/hard disk. That's what the hollowsun page is referring to as "libraries" (instead of just "files").
The same is true for the EIII import: only native EIII cdroms/hard disks are accepted by the Z8, not individual EB3 files saved on a FATxx formatted flash drive.

EMXP is not capable of creating the proprietary Akai S1000 cdrom/hard disk filesystem format (because the specifications of this filesystem have never been released to the public domain...)
As a consequence EMXP can only create sample and program files, which typically should be copied to Akai S1000 formatted floppy disks (which are supported by EMXP). But as far as I understand, the Z8 doesn't have a floppy drive ;-)
I'm not sure if ChickenSys can write or generate Akai S1000 cdroms/hard disks filesystems, but I'm sure it can read them.

Another important remark regarding the files created by EMXP:
EMXP assigns the .AKP file extension to S1000 program files, and the .AKS file extension to S1000 sample files.
The Z8 however assumes that the AKP and AKS file extensions belongs to programs and files created for the S5000, S6000, Z4 and Z8. So while it may "see" the AKS and AKP files created by EMXP, they certainly won't be compatible to what the Z8 is expecting...
Many software packages expect file extensions .S and .P for Akai S1000 sample and program files instead of the .AKS and .AKP. extensions used by EMXP.
I'm aware that the file extensions created by EMXP are confusing. I think I will add an option in one of the next versions, which will allow to choose between .S and .P instead of .AKS and .AKP.
You might try to change the file extensions of your files to .S and .P, but as I mentioned before, I don't think that will be sufficient because you still lack the Akai S1000 cdrom/hard disk filesystem.

///E-Synthesist

Re: EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

2014-12-06 by nikkinloch@...

Jammie - thanks mate, I have now tried as EIII as well, but unfortunately no joy.

Lorne - thanks you very much for your kind offer. Can Translator make Akai S1000 / Emu EIII format USB drives?

E-Synthesist - Thanks for your explanation, I was begining to think the same thing. I tried to format a USB drive in EIII format, but EMXP doesn't seem to want to do that. Should that be possible?

Otherwise, I guess it will format a SCSI HDD in EIII format, and that may be an avenue. I'd have to install my SCSI card in my computer, then instal a SCSI hard drive, format it in EIII format with EMXP, transfer the files, remove the drive, install it into the Z8, hope it opens them, then save them onto a USB drive on the Z8! Does anyone think that wouldn't work?

Cheers!

Re: EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

2014-12-06 by esynthesist@...

Actually it does support logically formatting EIII disks.
If the disk manager of EMXP recognizes the USB stick in the USB port, it's able to create an EIII filesystem on it, as follows:
- In EMXP v3.0.2, go to menu option 4.4
- If the USB drive appears in the drive overview screen, select the drive and press enter
- Then select 4 (logical format...), and press enter when EMXP asks if the disk is ready to be formatted.
You'll have to select one of the pre-defined file system sizes, e.g. 962MB for a 1GB drive. It doesn't matter what the capacity of the USB drive is, as long as it can hold the size of the filesystem it will work fine (e.g. an 8GB USB flash drive holding a 962MB EIII file system).
- once the drive has been logically formatted, you will be able to store EIII banks (.EB3 files) on it.

Re: EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

2014-12-07 by nikkinloch@...

Hah! Thanks esynthesist... I was running an old version 2.something.

Latest version works well in formatting USB drive and converting / saving Emax to EIII.

Unfortunately, Z8 still doesn't read it :-( I guess that it can only do that via SCSI? It does see the EIII formatted USB drive but it doesn't show anything on it.

Z8 manual says "In addition to WAV files, the Z8 can load files created for the following instruments: S1000, S3000, S5000, EMU EIII".

I dug out my old SCSI card and installed it (hack) into my 64 bit W7 machine. Then I open the Z8 and see that it has a PATA drive, not SCSI!

So I guess I have to get an external drive if I want to do this.

Gah!

Re: [emax] Re: EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

2014-12-07 by emma

Best thing todo is make a cdrom image and make a cdrom or a cfcard once you have loaded it you can then save to z8 on the pata drive

I can also make s5000 files if you need them as I have the full libraries


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-------- Original message --------
From: "nikkinloch@gmail.com [emax]" <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 06/12/2014 20:51 (GMT+00:00)
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] Re: EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?


Jammie - thanks mate, I have now tried as EIII as well, but unfortunately no joy.

Lorne - thanks you very much for your kind offer. Can Translator make Akai S1000 / Emu EIII format USB drives?

E-Synthesist - Thanks for your explanation, I was begining to think the same thing. I tried to format a USB drive in EIII format, but EMXP doesn't seem to want to do that. Should that be possible?

Otherwise, I guess it will format a SCSI HDD in EIII format, and that may be an avenue. I'd have to install my SCSI card in my computer, then instal a SCSI hard drive, format it in EIII format with EMXP, transfer the files, remove the drive, install it into the Z8, hope it opens them, then save them onto a USB drive on the Z8! Does anyone think that wouldn't work?

Cheers!

Re: [emax] EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

2014-12-08 by Garth Hjelte

At 02:39 PM 12/6/2014, you wrote:

>Most samplers which pretend to be compatible with the Akai S1000 actually only accept either Akai S1000 floppy disks or Akai S1000 cdroms/hard disks.

Specifically the ASR-X and the EPS/ASR and Emu E3/ESi are the S1000-only ones. The rest also read S3000/XL too.

If we are talking about the S1000/3000, it's ALWAYS proprietary format. There is technically no such thing as a S1000 or S3000 program or sample that exists on a file that a computer can read natively.

There are three exceptions: 

-The .s3p and .prg that Millennium and MESA use
-The .p. .sts, and .s files that Creamware made for their SCOPE samplers, they mimiced the Akai format.
-Chicken Systems .ak1 and .ak3 files, which are programs and samples combined. Kontakt loads them.

>I think the Z8 is no exception - although I can't confirm this, I don't have a Z8.

The S5000 and Z4/8 are no exceptions, correct.

>I think the Z8 supports the import of Akai S1000 files, but only from Akai S1000 cdroms/hard disks or from flash cards that contain a raw image taken from an Akai S1000 cdrom/hard disk.

Put a better way, it reads them through it's SCSI port, so you can use a CD-ROM Drive or a SCSI drive.

>The same is true for the EIII import: only native EIII cdroms/hard disks are accepted by the Z8, not individual EB3 files saved on a FATxx formatted flash drive.

Correct.

>EMXP is not capable of creating the proprietary Akai S1000 cdrom/hard disk filesystem format (because the specifications of this filesystem have never been released to the public domain...)
>As a consequence EMXP can only create sample and program files, which typically should be copied to Akai S1000 formatted floppy disks (which are supported by EMXP). But as far as I understand, the Z8 doesn't have a floppy drive. I'm not sure if ChickenSys can write or generate Akai S1000 cdroms/hard disks filesystems, but I'm sure it can read them.

It can write them, it's been able to for over 10 years.

>Another important remark regarding the files created by EMXP:
>EMXP assigns the .AKP file extension to S1000 program files, and the .AKS file extension to S1000 sample files.
>The Z8 however assumes that the AKP and AKS file extensions belongs to programs and files created for the S5000, S6000, Z4 and Z8. So while it may "see" the AKS and AKP files created by EMXP, they certainly won't be compatible to what the Z8 is expecting...
>I'm aware that the file extensions created by EMXP are confusing. I think I will add an option in one of the next versions, which will allow to choose between .S and .P instead of .AKS and .AKP.

Could I suggest that you completely change this - no option? .AKP is the extension Akai assigned for S5000/Z program files. Having non-S5000/Z .akp files floating around makes for a lot of confusion. I would highly suggest you change it to .p files for programs and .s files for the samples. Those extensions already existed for that purpose (sort of), it's what you should ahve done in the first place - it's a no brainer.

>Many software packages expect file extensions .S and .P for Akai S1000 sample and program files instead of the .AKS and .AKP. extensions used by EMXP.

See above. This came from the Creamware people ages ago.

>You might try to change the file extensions of your files to .S and .P, but as I mentioned before, I don't think that will be sufficient because you still lack the Akai S1000 cdrom/hard disk filesystem.

Change the extensions and then use Translator to write them to Akai proprietary disk or Virtual Drive which you can burn to CD. Or, change the extensions and convert them using Translator to S5000 format (.akp/.wav) and us akSys to transfer them over.  

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

Re: [emax] EMXP - Saving as S1000 format files and using those files - can't load them?

2014-12-09 by el macaco

Yeah the new version of EMXP is great, I used it just before a move to put all my zips and floppies to CF card on my external scsi reader and it worked better than ever. Got the new 88 plus os on all my cards too.

Reading this I'm wondering if anyone will make a scsi USB port so thumb drives can be used like CF cards?

Ed


On Dec 8, 2014, at 6:03 PM, "Garth Hjelte garth@chickensys.com [emax]" <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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At 02:39 PM 12/6/2014, you wrote:

>Most samplers which pretend to be compatible with the Akai S1000 actually only accept either Akai S1000 floppy disks or Akai S1000 cdroms/hard disks.

Specifically the ASR-X and the EPS/ASR and Emu E3/ESi are the S1000-only ones. The rest also read S3000/XL too.

If we are talking about the S1000/3000, it's ALWAYS proprietary format. There is technically no such thing as a S1000 or S3000 program or sample that exists on a file that a computer can read natively.

There are three exceptions:

-The .s3p and .prg that Millennium and MESA use
-The .p. .sts, and .s files that Creamware made for their SCOPE samplers, they mimiced the Akai format.
-Chicken Systems .ak1 and .ak3 files, which are programs and samples combined. Kontakt loads them.

>I think the Z8 is no exception - although I can't confirm this, I don't have a Z8.

The S5000 and Z4/8 are no exceptions, correct.

>I think the Z8 supports the import of Akai S1000 files, but only from Akai S1000 cdroms/hard disks or from flash cards that contain a raw image taken from an Akai S1000 cdrom/hard disk.

Put a better way, it reads them through it's SCSI port, so you can use a CD-ROM Drive or a SCSI drive.

>The same is true for the EIII import: only native EIII cdroms/hard disks are accepted by the Z8, not individual EB3 files saved on a FATxx formatted flash drive.

Correct.

>EMXP is not capable of creating the proprietary Akai S1000 cdrom/hard disk filesystem format (because the specifications of this filesystem have never been released to the public domain...)
>As a consequence EMXP can only create sample and program files, which typically should be copied to Akai S1000 formatted floppy disks (which are supported by EMXP). But as far as I understand, the Z8 doesn't have a floppy drive. I'm not sure if ChickenSys can write or generate Akai S1000 cdroms/hard disks filesystems, but I'm sure it can read them.

It can write them, it's been able to for over 10 years.

>Another important remark regarding the files created by EMXP:
>EMXP assigns the .AKP file extension to S1000 program files, and the .AKS file extension to S1000 sample files.
>The Z8 however assumes that the AKP and AKS file extensions belongs to programs and files created for the S5000, S6000, Z4 and Z8. So while it may "see" the AKS and AKP files created by EMXP, they certainly won't be compatible to what the Z8 is expecting...
>I'm aware that the file extensions created by EMXP are confusing. I think I will add an option in one of the next versions, which will allow to choose between .S and .P instead of .AKS and .AKP.

Could I suggest that you completely change this - no option? .AKP is the extension Akai assigned for S5000/Z program files. Having non-S5000/Z .akp files floating around makes for a lot of confusion. I would highly suggest you change it to .p files for programs and .s files for the samples. Those extensions already existed for that purpose (sort of), it's what you should ahve done in the first place - it's a no brainer.

>Many software packages expect file extensions .S and .P for Akai S1000 sample and program files instead of the .AKS and .AKP. extensions used by EMXP.

See above. This came from the Creamware people ages ago.

>You might try to change the file extensions of your files to .S and .P, but as I mentioned before, I don't think that will be sufficient because you still lack the Akai S1000 cdrom/hard disk filesystem.

Change the extensions and then use Translator to write them to Akai proprietary disk or Virtual Drive which you can burn to CD. Or, change the extensions and convert them using Translator to S5000 format (.akp/.wav) and us akSys to transfer them over.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

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