Datacolor User to User Support Group.

I just bought Printfix Pro - it did a great job on on calibrating 2
monitors. 

I then profiled Epson Premium Glossy paper on an R1800. The output
from the test proofing ( the groups of 4 pictures of the 16 total
pictures) look great, so the profile must be right.

So I try printing various pix via CS3 and my printer, including the
PDI test image. Horrible. Very dark, very red, huge colour shift to
orange. Heavy shadowing.

I ran as many troubleshooting tests, clean nozzles, etc., when
printing with the Epson profiles the results are OK. The PDI print
looks good, especially flesh tones. 

CS2 running in OS X 10.5.3 ( I have CS2 to use Genuine Fractals as I
am too cheap to upgrade GF to whatever version it is now and I use it
rarely) prints with the custom PrintFix profile great.

Any ideas, tips, experience really welcome.

Oh, I used the 3.01 version of Printfix from the web site - the CD
that came with it says 1.X on the CD.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "grandpollo" <grandpollo@...> wrote:
>
> So I try printing various pix via CS3 and my printer, including the
> PDI test image. Horrible. Very dark, very red, huge colour shift to
> orange. Heavy shadowing.

In Photoshop set Rendering Intent to "Saturation" and turn off "Black Point Compensation". Of 
course set Color Handling to "Photoshop Manages Color" and select proper Printer Profile.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo" <jvlist@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "grandpollo" <grandpollo@>
wrote:
> >
> > So I try printing various pix via CS3 and my printer, including the
> > PDI test image. Horrible. Very dark, very red, huge colour shift to
> > orange. Heavy shadowing.
> 
> In Photoshop set Rendering Intent to "Saturation" and turn off
"Black Point Compensation". Of 
> course set Color Handling to "Photoshop Manages Color" and select
proper Printer Profile.
>

OK, did that (the only thing I hadn't done is turn off black point
compensation). Result: same shift.

I even tried to use PS Elements 6 and Lemke Graphic Converter. Same
result all around. Epson profile is fine, Colorvision is poor.

Yet CS2 works, with one version of OSX older - 10.5.3 vs. 10.5.4. 

And for the record I am using the right paper type, color management
off and advanced (print quality, high speed, etc.) in the Epson driver.

I will redo making the profile this morning to see if there was an
error making it but I did two, one 8 bit, one 16 bit with the same
unfortunate results.

I am wondering if this is an issue with 10.5.4 and CS3.

I assume you are using the Epaon profile via the driver and our  
profile via Photoshop? If so your issue is not the profile it is a  
known issue somewhere in CS3 and the OS. Adobe recommends updating to  
the latest build of CS3 to solve this.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Aug 17, 2008, at 8:54 AM, "grandpollo" <grandpollo@...>  
wrote:

> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo" <jvlist@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "grandpollo" <grandpollo@>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> So I try printing various pix via CS3 and my printer, including the
>>> PDI test image. Horrible. Very dark, very red, huge colour shift to
>>> orange. Heavy shadowing.
>>
>> In Photoshop set Rendering Intent to "Saturation" and turn off
> "Black Point Compensation". Of
>> course set Color Handling to "Photoshop Manages Color" and select
> proper Printer Profile.
>>
>
> OK, did that (the only thing I hadn't done is turn off black point
> compensation). Result: same shift.
>
> I even tried to use PS Elements 6 and Lemke Graphic Converter. Same
> result all around. Epson profile is fine, Colorvision is poor.
>
> Yet CS2 works, with one version of OSX older - 10.5.3 vs. 10.5.4.
>
> And for the record I am using the right paper type, color management
> off and advanced (print quality, high speed, etc.) in the Epson  
> driver.
>
> I will redo making the profile this morning to see if there was an
> error making it but I did two, one 8 bit, one 16 bit with the same
> unfortunate results.
>
> I am wondering if this is an issue with 10.5.4 and CS3.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I am using CS3 10.0.1 which is the latest version of Photoshop.

I am using the Epson profile ( the Premium Glossy) in the Epson print
driver and the Colorvision profile with Photoshop.

If I use the Epson ICC profile for the paper the results are OK. 

I just remade the profile from the test print yesterday and the
results are the same this morning. The upper right quadrant test from
PrintFix - the four people for testing flesh tones printed OK from
within PrintFix.

The ICC profile that I just made ten minutes ago, when used in PS
printed with the same driver settings did not print properly as with
previous tests.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:

>
> I assume you are using the Epaon profile via the driver and our  
> profile via Photoshop? If so your issue is not the profile it is a  
> known issue somewhere in CS3 and the OS. Adobe recommends updating to  
> the latest build of CS3 to solve this.
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On Aug 17, 2008, at 8:54 AM, "grandpollo" <grandpollo@...>  
> wrote:
> 
> > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo" <jvlist@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "grandpollo" <grandpollo@>
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So I try printing various pix via CS3 and my printer, including the
> >>> PDI test image. Horrible. Very dark, very red, huge colour shift to
> >>> orange. Heavy shadowing.
> >>
> >> In Photoshop set Rendering Intent to "Saturation" and turn off
> > "Black Point Compensation". Of
> >> course set Color Handling to "Photoshop Manages Color" and select
> > proper Printer Profile.
> >>
> >
> > OK, did that (the only thing I hadn't done is turn off black point
> > compensation). Result: same shift.
> >
> > I even tried to use PS Elements 6 and Lemke Graphic Converter. Same
> > result all around. Epson profile is fine, Colorvision is poor.
> >
> > Yet CS2 works, with one version of OSX older - 10.5.3 vs. 10.5.4.
> >
> > And for the record I am using the right paper type, color management
> > off and advanced (print quality, high speed, etc.) in the Epson  
> > driver.
> >
> > I will redo making the profile this morning to see if there was an
> > error making it but I did two, one 8 bit, one 16 bit with the same
> > unfortunate results.
> >
> > I am wondering if this is an issue with 10.5.4 and CS3.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

On Aug 17, 2008, at 12:44 AM, grandpollo wrote:

> I just bought Printfix Pro - it did a great job on on calibrating 2
> monitors.
>
> I then profiled Epson Premium Glossy paper on an R1800. The output
> from the test proofing ( the groups of 4 pictures of the 16 total
> pictures) look great, so the profile must be right.
>
> So I try printing various pix via CS3 and my printer, including the
> PDI test image. Horrible. Very dark, very red, huge colour shift to
> orange. Heavy shadowing.
>
> I ran as many troubleshooting tests, clean nozzles, etc., when
> printing with the Epson profiles the results are OK. The PDI print
> looks good, especially flesh tones.
>
> CS2 running in OS X 10.5.3 ( I have CS2 to use Genuine Fractals as I
> am too cheap to upgrade GF to whatever version it is now and I use it
> rarely) prints with the custom PrintFix profile great.
>
> Any ideas, tips, experience really welcome.
>
> Oh, I used the 3.01 version of Printfix from the web site - the CD
> that came with it says 1.X on the CD.
>
>

I can tell you with almost 100% certainty: your problem is that you've
printed the target wrong: color managed. Everything that you do
after that will be wrong - the measurements are color managed, the
profile you build from them does almost nothing, and then when you
use it in Photoshop, with everything set up correctly: you get a
print that's not color managed, and the profile does nothing to fix
this, so: heavy color cast.

The Epson drivers, when used with Leopard, can be confusing, but
they WILL work correctly.

!!!! MOST IMPORTANT !!!!

When you print the target from inside PrintFIX PRO/Spyder3Print:
you HAVE to go to the Color Matching pane and select "Epson Color
Controls". You must NOT choose ColorSync. (By default, the Epson
drivers under Leopard auto-select ColorSync and this is where many
people are having problems). When you are INSIDE PRINTFIX PRO OR
SPYDER3PRINT, making a target print with ColorSync selected in
the Color Matching pane will give you an INCORRECTLY PRINTED,
color managed target and any profiling you do after that will
be WRONG.

Later on: after you've built the profile; and when you're doing
your printing from inside Photoshop, with "Photoshop Manages
Colors" selected in the Photoshop print dialog: when you eventually
get into the OSX print dialog, there's another point of potential
confusion: when you go into the Color Matching pane in the Epson
driver, you'll find that both of the radio button controls
have been dimmed (disabled) and that ColorSync is selected,
rather than Epson Color Controls... and that there's nothing that
you can do to change this. As troubling and confusing as this
appears, you WILL get the proper results... the Epson driver will
NOT use ColorSync, it will print without color management
(regardless of how these controls appear) and you will get a perfect
print.

SUMMARY: (For using Epson drivers with OSX Leopard):

1a. When printing targets from inside PrintFIX PRO/Spyder3Print,
you MUST set the radio button controls in the Color Matching pane
of the OSX print driver to "Epson Color Controls" (NOT COLORSYNC).

1b. When printing targets from inside Photoshop (most people
won't be doing this, but some might): set Photoshop's controls
in its own Print dialog for "No Color Management" and then ignore
the settings in the OSX print dialog pane for Color Matching (they
come up disabled and with ColorSync selected; just IGNORE this).

2a. When printing using a profile (SpyderProof feature, immediately
after building a profile) from inside PrintFIX PRO/Spyder3Print,
you need to go into the Color Matching pane of the OSX print dialog
and choose Epson Color Controls (the two radio buttons will not
be disabled), to match how these were set when you printed the target.

2b. When printing using a profile from inside Photoshop, choose
"Photoshop Manages Colors" and the printer profile, etc. and (just
as in 1b above) ignore the settings in the Color Matching pane of
the OSX print dialog (again: they'll be dimmed, and ColorSync
will be selected, and there's nothing you can do to change that...
the driver will behave the right way, even though the control
setting tries to make you think otherwise).


*****

You should be able to solve your R1800 problems by:

- Reading what I've written above, carefully.

- Reprinting your target. Compare the new target print to the one
you've previously used. You should see that the new target print
is visibly darker than the first.

- Remeasure and build a new profile. Throw out the old measurements,
so that you don't use them again by accident. Keep the original
target print around as a reference so that you'll always be able
to tell what an improperly printed target looks like (color managed
targets are too "light" and "pretty"... a non-color managed target
print should be dark, brooding, and heavy)...:-)

*****

Everyone who is using Epson printers under Leopard needs to follow
the same rules, as described above.



David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
Datacolor

Well, this is a HUGE revelation. It would not be obvious to use Epson
color controls when making the target. I will follow these directions
and report back.

I tried CS2 this am with a new profile and it now doesn't work so that
threw that conflict idea out anyway.

I have noted that Colorsync is preselected and greyed/dimmed out on
printing so there is no choice but to use it. 

So right now when I have Colorsync set making the traget and making
the proof print they work, the minute I am outside PrintFix the target
then becomes an issue in that it was created improperly and thus
generates a profile that in essence would only work with Epson color
controls if you could have PS and Epson both control things which of
course is not the case.

I agree with the note that the target looks "pretty" - it is a very
accurate looking set of patches. Now I see why.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> wrote:

>
> 

> 
> I can tell you with almost 100% certainty: your problem is that you've
> printed the target wrong: color managed. Everything that you do
> after that will be wrong - the measurements are color managed, the
> profile you build from them does almost nothing, and then when you
> use it in Photoshop, with everything set up correctly: you get a
> print that's not color managed, and the profile does nothing to fix
> this, so: heavy color cast.
> 
> The Epson drivers, when used with Leopard, can be confusing, but
> they WILL work correctly.
> 
> !!!! MOST IMPORTANT !!!!
> 
> When you print the target from inside PrintFIX PRO/Spyder3Print:
> you HAVE to go to the Color Matching pane and select "Epson Color
> Controls". You must NOT choose ColorSync. (By default, the Epson
> drivers under Leopard auto-select ColorSync and this is where many
> people are having problems). When you are INSIDE PRINTFIX PRO OR
> SPYDER3PRINT, making a target print with ColorSync selected in
> the Color Matching pane will give you an INCORRECTLY PRINTED,
> color managed target and any profiling you do after that will
> be WRONG.
> 
> Later on: after you've built the profile; and when you're doing
> your printing from inside Photoshop, with "Photoshop Manages
> Colors" selected in the Photoshop print dialog: when you eventually
> get into the OSX print dialog, there's another point of potential
> confusion: when you go into the Color Matching pane in the Epson
> driver, you'll find that both of the radio button controls
> have been dimmed (disabled) and that ColorSync is selected,
> rather than Epson Color Controls... and that there's nothing that
> you can do to change this. As troubling and confusing as this
> appears, you WILL get the proper results... the Epson driver will
> NOT use ColorSync, it will print without color management
> (regardless of how these controls appear) and you will get a perfect
> print.
> 
> SUMMARY: (For using Epson drivers with OSX Leopard):
> 
> 1a. When printing targets from inside PrintFIX PRO/Spyder3Print,
> you MUST set the radio button controls in the Color Matching pane
> of the OSX print driver to "Epson Color Controls" (NOT COLORSYNC).
> 
> 1b. When printing targets from inside Photoshop (most people
> won't be doing this, but some might): set Photoshop's controls
> in its own Print dialog for "No Color Management" and then ignore
> the settings in the OSX print dialog pane for Color Matching (they
> come up disabled and with ColorSync selected; just IGNORE this).
> 
> 2a. When printing using a profile (SpyderProof feature, immediately
> after building a profile) from inside PrintFIX PRO/Spyder3Print,
> you need to go into the Color Matching pane of the OSX print dialog
> and choose Epson Color Controls (the two radio buttons will not
> be disabled), to match how these were set when you printed the target.
> 
> 2b. When printing using a profile from inside Photoshop, choose
> "Photoshop Manages Colors" and the printer profile, etc. and (just
> as in 1b above) ignore the settings in the Color Matching pane of
> the OSX print dialog (again: they'll be dimmed, and ColorSync
> will be selected, and there's nothing you can do to change that...
> the driver will behave the right way, even though the control
> setting tries to make you think otherwise).
> 
> 
> *****
> 
> You should be able to solve your R1800 problems by:
> 
> - Reading what I've written above, carefully.
> 
> - Reprinting your target. Compare the new target print to the one
> you've previously used. You should see that the new target print
> is visibly darker than the first.
> 
> - Remeasure and build a new profile. Throw out the old measurements,
> so that you don't use them again by accident. Keep the original
> target print around as a reference so that you'll always be able
> to tell what an improperly printed target looks like (color managed
> targets are too "light" and "pretty"... a non-color managed target
> print should be dark, brooding, and heavy)...:-)
> 
> *****
> 
> Everyone who is using Epson printers under Leopard needs to follow
> the same rules, as described above.
> 
> 
> 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> Datacolor
>

Just to be clear and maybe to help others - printing the test target

Color matching = Epson Color Controls

Print Settings = Paper Type, Color and Color Settings = Off (No Color
Adjustment). Not Epson Standard or worse, Vivid. Or Adobe RGB.

And the usual settings for quality and gloss optimizer on.

Is that right?

> !!!! MOST IMPORTANT !!!!
> 
> When you print the target from inside PrintFIX PRO/Spyder3Print:
> you HAVE to go to the Color Matching pane and select "Epson Color
> Controls". You must NOT choose ColorSync. (By default, the Epson
> drivers under Leopard auto-select ColorSync and this is where many
> people are having problems). When you are INSIDE PRINTFIX PRO OR
> SPYDER3PRINT, making a target print with ColorSync selected in
> the Color Matching pane will give you an INCORRECTLY PRINTED,
> color managed target and any profiling you do after that will
> be WRONG.

On Aug 17, 2008, at 9:47 AM, grandpollo wrote:

> Well, this is a HUGE revelation. It would not be obvious to use Epson
> color controls when making the target. I will follow these directions
> and report back.
>
>

I agree, but there's nothing to be done about it, other than to realize
that this is how things currently "work".

When you think about it, and given that there are only two radio button
choices here, it makes "sense", in it's own way.

"ColorSync" should mean exactly what it says: that when this radio
button is selected, the driver will print with a ColorSync profile. And
when you're printing from inside PrintFIX PRO/Spyder3Print, both of
these radio buttons are enabled, and you can actively choose (and
MUST choose) to turn this off. (Printing with a ColorSync profile means
the print will be color managed).

"Epson Color Controls" means: "not ColorSync", and by extension, this
means that whatever controls you select and configure in the Epson-
specific portion of the driver are used to control how the driver
prints. What's misleading about this "label" is that it implies
you're using the Epson-specific sliders and other "Epson Color Control"
settings in "their" part of the driver... but this isn't necessarily
the case, since you will be choosing "Off - No Color Management"
in their section instead. (That's also critical - I'd forgotten to
say that in my last post!)

So to add to what I said before:

You not only have to choose "Epson Color Controls" in the "Color
Matching" pane of the driver... ALSO, you have to go into the
Epson-specific part of the driver and TURN COLOR MANAGEMENT OFF.
> I tried CS2 this am with a new profile and it now doesn't work so that
> threw that conflict idea out anyway.
>
>

Correct. The only way you can fix all of this is to reprint your
target, take new measurements, and start over.
> I have noted that Colorsync is preselected and greyed/dimmed out on
> printing so there is no choice but to use it.
>
>

That's also correct, as I described in the last post. It's also
misleading, since it implies  you're actually GETTING a ColorSync
profile when printing via Photoshop, when in fact: you are NOT.
> So right now when I have Colorsync set making the traget and making
> the proof print they work,
>

That will only be true:

a) When you're printing from inside Photoshop, and

b) When Photoshop is set for either "Photoshop Manages Colors"
or "No Color Management". (Either of these choices will dim the
radio button controls in the Color Matching pane of the driver,
at the next step, and will auto-select ColorSync... but as I've
kept saying, this will NOT apply a ColorSync profile during the
printing process, you're basically getting whatever color management
that Photoshop itself has configured from it's Print dialog... either
a custom profile, or no profile).
> the minute I am outside PrintFix
>

("PrintFIX PRO", please...:-) otherwise you're going to confuse
people and make them think you're using the years-ago-discontinued
original PrintFIX product)
> the target
> then becomes an issue in that it was created improperly and thus
> generates a profile that in essence would only work with Epson color
> controls if you could have PS and Epson both control things which of
> course is not the case.
>
>

Something like that.


> I agree with the note that the target looks "pretty" - it is a very
> accurate looking set of patches. Now I see why.
>
>

Right! So you have an "easy" fix ahead of you...:-)

Everyone reading this list should take careful note of all this.
It's applicable both when you're using the current release
drivers for all Epson printers (non-Leopard specific) and also
if you're using one of the beta versions of Leopard-specific
drivers for certain printers (Epson has made a number of these
available on their web site, but none of them have been "released"
even though they are currently months late, according to Epsons
published released date guidelines).

>

David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
Datacolor

On Aug 17, 2008, at 9:54 AM, grandpollo wrote:

> Just to be clear and maybe to help others - printing the test target
>
> Color matching = Epson Color Controls
>
> Print Settings = Paper Type, Color and Color Settings = Off (No Color
> Adjustment). Not Epson Standard or worse, Vivid. Or Adobe RGB.
>
> And the usual settings for quality and gloss optimizer on.
>
> Is that right?
>
>

Yes, that is completely correct.


David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
Datacolor

I thought so. Just waiting for it to dry



--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> wrote:

>
> 
> On Aug 17, 2008, at 9:54 AM, grandpollo wrote:
> 
> > Just to be clear and maybe to help others - printing the test target
> >
> > Color matching = Epson Color Controls
> >
> > Print Settings = Paper Type, Color and Color Settings = Off (No Color
> > Adjustment). Not Epson Standard or worse, Vivid. Or Adobe RGB.
> >
> > And the usual settings for quality and gloss optimizer on.
> >
> > Is that right?
> >
> >
> 
> Yes, that is completely correct.
> 
> 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> Datacolor
>

OK, new print profiled and I am printing the PDI target.

Well it is perfect and better than Epson's ICC profile.

Now printing the most troublesome print of all - the darkest and
reddest casts.

Very good results.

Of the four rendering choices, perceptual, saturation  and relative or
absolute, with or without black point compensation, what is the usual
recommendation with a custom ICC profile?

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> wrote:

> 
> I agree, but there's nothing to be done about it, other than to realize
> that this is how things currently "work".

[snip]

> 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> Datacolor
>

On Aug 17, 2008, at 11:02 AM, grandpollo wrote:

> OK, new print profiled and I am printing the PDI target.
>
> Well it is perfect and better than Epson's ICC profile.
>
>

That's how it should be!
> Now printing the most troublesome print of all - the darkest and
> reddest casts.
>
> Very good results.
>
> Of the four rendering choices, perceptual, saturation and relative or
> absolute, with or without black point compensation, what is the usual
> recommendation with a custom ICC profile?
>
>

With PrintFIX PRO/Spyder3Print profiles: our recommendation is:
use the Saturation intent, and turn black point compensation off.

Also: now that things are working correctly: my other recommendation
for the R1800 is to use the 729 patch target, rather than the 225. The
R800/R1800 with the extra inks (red, and blue) are non-linear enough
so that measuring the extra patches can really make a difference in
certain color areas (particularly, facial tones).

If you haven't already done so: go to our web site; get the installer
for the Spyder3Print 3.5 "public beta", download and use that instead
of the older PrintFIX PRO software. It's a free upgrade. Also make
sure you download and read the Update Notes that go along with it. One
major difference you'll find is that measurements will go faster; much
faster; and that measuring the 729 patch target will be much quicker,
smoother, and simpler than before.


David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
Datacolor

Glad you have your profiling issue solved.

As for intents, it depends on the software. People are forever quoting  
books and experts on this who are not referring to our products, so  
their wisdom on the topic is moot. .

For our profiles try saturation first then perceptual if saturation is  
not mapping certain blues or yellows as you would like. And lastly use  
relative colorimetric if percep is still not literal enough. Leave BPC  
off in all cases for deepest blacks. If you need more shadow detail  
adjust that slider instead of using BPC.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Aug 17, 2008, at 11:02 AM, "grandpollo" <grandpollo@...>  
wrote:

> OK, new print profiled and I am printing the PDI target.
>
> Well it is perfect and better than Epson's ICC profile.
>
> Now printing the most troublesome print of all - the darkest and
> reddest casts.
>
> Very good results.
>
> Of the four rendering choices, perceptual, saturation  and relative or
> absolute, with or without black point compensation, what is the usual
> recommendation with a custom ICC profile?
>
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...>  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree, but there's nothing to be done about it, other than to  
>> realize
>> that this is how things currently "work".
>
> [snip]
>>
>> David Miller
>> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
>> Datacolor
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I may wait for my daughter to visit to do 729 patches. She's younger
and can do it for me :)

I have installed the beta version as well.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> wrote:

>
> 
> On Aug 17, 2008, at 11:02 AM, grandpollo wrote:
> 
> > OK, new print profiled and I am printing the PDI target.
> >
> > Well it is perfect and better than Epson's ICC profile.
> >
> >
> 
> That's how it should be!
> > Now printing the most troublesome print of all - the darkest and
> > reddest casts.
> >
> > Very good results.
> >
> > Of the four rendering choices, perceptual, saturation and relative or
> > absolute, with or without black point compensation, what is the usual
> > recommendation with a custom ICC profile?
> >
> >
> 
> With PrintFIX PRO/Spyder3Print profiles: our recommendation is:
> use the Saturation intent, and turn black point compensation off.
> 
> Also: now that things are working correctly: my other recommendation
> for the R1800 is to use the 729 patch target, rather than the 225. The
> R800/R1800 with the extra inks (red, and blue) are non-linear enough
> so that measuring the extra patches can really make a difference in
> certain color areas (particularly, facial tones).
> 
> If you haven't already done so: go to our web site; get the installer
> for the Spyder3Print 3.5 "public beta", download and use that instead
> of the older PrintFIX PRO software. It's a free upgrade. Also make
> sure you download and read the Update Notes that go along with it. One
> major difference you'll find is that measurements will go faster; much
> faster; and that measuring the 729 patch target will be much quicker,
> smoother, and simpler than before.
> 
> 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> Datacolor
>

Since it is beta can you take this idea back to the developers?

Allow the use of the space bar in addition to return/enter. It's
bigger, closer and a lot easier to reach with the free hand.

To both you and your confederate thanks a lot for the great advice. 

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> wrote:
>
> 
 read the Update Notes that go along with it. One

> major difference you'll find is that measurements will go faster; much
> faster; and that measuring the 729 patch target will be much quicker,
> smoother, and simpler than before.
> 
> 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> Datacolor
>